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Offline Lord Kesashi

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« Reply #420 on: May 18, 2019, 09:53:59 PM »
cool faction logos. some are quite simple whereas others are quite complex. I personally feel that they should either all be complex or all be simple otherwise they feel strange next to each other. but they are all fine individually.

Thanks, if you wouldn't mind, which icons in particular do you feel stand out most as too complex and too simple. Like specifically which ones would be an example of too simple and which ones would be an example of too complex. I would rather have them all be more balanced overall.

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New Character who uses the hook swords. She is a member of the "Black Lotus" which is a division of the "Lotus" faction. I forgot to mention that I will release a playable build of Izabel if you really want to test it, but the room full of artwork is uncensored in the version that I used for class. The version that I distribute I would like to have only PG-13 artwork.

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« Reply #421 on: May 20, 2019, 08:23:19 PM »
Little update. For those curious about the story of Blade Regalia, I'm making progress on the first Manga/Graphic Novel.


One thing I noticed as I was studying digital art was that digital paintings always seemed over-blended especially if it was amateur work. Professionals didn't have that problem, they're usually able to emulate real paint more.  And so did mine. The technical term for what's wrong is called "noise" specifically the fact that there is no noise. When you use the sharpen tool on Photoshop the tool doesn't actually find detail that isn't there, the tool just adds noise and this creates an optic illusion that there is more detail.

Noise is just a term for random variations in an area. Like in music the background "noise" that you would want to remove when you're recording. With traditional media, noise is almost impossible to avoid. The grain of the paper, the jitters of the pencil create noise and we traditional artists take it for granted.

So why is this a problem with digital art? Well if you use digital media the same way you use traditional. For instance, one method would be to put down general values with hard edges and blend them together to make them more natural. What happens in traditional is as you blend, the noise doesn't go away. But with digital the noise goes away, so your natural instincts with traditional will work against you unless Adobe can invent a tool that allows you to blend with noise.

Sorry that was my little epiphany. I've just been at war with digital media for so long. Anyway the solution was to get a brush that has noise in it, and to avoid blending. You can still get a lot of natural noise from your brush strokes with a basic brush tool, but blending will cause you to lose detail.

This is one of those older digital art studies I did where I was relying more on the blend tool. So you can kind of see how it feels over blended at some points. At some points it works well.


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« Reply #422 on: May 21, 2019, 04:17:57 AM »
Yeah some of my very first face studies were very smoothly blended. using a textured brush helps to keep some noise in there and stop it from looking plastic smooth. Making a digital piece look traditional is something that I eventually want to be able to do, although I don't know what sort of traditional feel I want haha. using a smudge brush with a texture is also a great way to get a painty feel. you could also apply an art filter over areas of a smooth painting to give it an automatic oil/watercolour etc feel.

hmmmm for the logos:
mostly too complex means the detailsa re too small or don't look natural as a logo

too simple:
-Lotus - This is a yin-yang, so it's naturally quite simple. it might be hard to change this one. maybe add another circle swirly border around it or something. also, it's the only 2 colour icon - a third colour is needed to contrast both black and white. every other icon can use a single colour on any other colour and it's visible. I mean a lotus is a flower, right, why not just use that?
-Inquisitor - very simple design. not sure if the black is a shield?
-Desert scorpions - difficult to see at a distance as it is a very thin design. if it's just three swords, you could style them more after daggers.
good level of detail:
-guardians of the North - not sure what the three white lines are, hair? the face details are a tad hard to see but its not too complex.
-Occultists - There a million styles of this pattern that you could use, and it will always look good. the tiny holes in the center circle are a little annoying though.
-sanctum - the cross is nicely shaped so is not too simple
-Formless - the spikey parts of this design don't feel unnatural as the overall design is quite wavy.
-Destruction children - maybe the black line separating the teeth could be a tad thicker but otherwise great.
too complex:
-Empire - the Omega letter has funny kinks and bumps in the main loop. try and use less nodes, make them smoother, or maybe use an actual font letter instead?
-Beautiful death - I've got nothing against skull and crossbones, but until I just looked forward, I thought those roses were actually rapiers. add a leaf maybe for a rose. but I think t's just too much detail to be seen at a distance. if you use just the rose head, you might be able to make it larger.
-Southern warriors - I love this design, but I think the white gaps are too thin
-Veil - the castle is fine, but the flag is too small a detail I think.
-Dulong kingdom - I think this overlaps with Veil too much, and the castle is just a bit too small overall.

I try and think how faction icons would look on a flag or a shield or something. Really a good design for a faction is recognizable at a distance. see how the worlds country flags are very simple, just stripes of colour often. even a simple pattern flag has plenty of variety from one to the next. It's better they they are all simple if possible, but depending on the design, they still need that extra level of detail. Also, try and avoid putting in small details when the rest of the design doesn't have small details. like the tags (what are they called again) in the letter "I" on Inquisitor, every other shape is a simple smooth lines, so the small sharp spikes seem unnatural. but that's a bit more my personal design style.

I really want to go off and design some logos now haha.
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« Reply #423 on: May 22, 2019, 01:10:55 AM »
Thanks for the insights on the symbols.

The lotus is a complicated place because it's technically divided into 3 factions. I do have a symbol that I normally use for them you can see on their armor/clothing. There's the Red Lotus, the Black Lotus and the White Lotus, and because color is so central to their identity, I was conflicted over using the Lotus symbol because it would be black like the others. So my interpretation that the White Lotus and Red Lotus wouldn't choose to represent themselves with a black Lotus.


Not really relevant, but some of them are meant to be used in different ways. I'm not weighing this against your review, but if you're curious about the context of each symbol

Flag or Insignia of a Country
-Dulong Kingdom: Meaning "The Long Kingdom" is a Kingdom built on a series of large rocks floating in the sky.
-Lotus: A set of countries that are both unified and divided as I already described.
-Sanctum: A Holy City
-Empire: New Insignia following the takeover of a new Monarch
-Southern Warriors: Obscure tribe of warriors on an island south of the Mainland.
-Veil: A large citadel built on a small island where the people choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the world.
-Guardians of the North: A Matriarchal society in the north whose population is comprised of primarily non-human groups (Elves, Fairies, Giants). The symbol is half of a woman's head and half of a knight's helmet.
-Occultists: A society governed by a demonic theocracy.
-Desert Scorpions: A colony in desert often in conflict against Beautiful Death.

These Symbols are more like Warning Labels. Like saying "beautiful death ahead, do not enter". These factions aren't countries or kingdoms so they aren't meant to be used as flags or insignias.
-Destruction Children: A dangerous group of young "regaliers"
-Beautiful Death: A group of mercenaries. Most of whom defected from other countries. They live in the desert.
-Formless: The term "formless" is meant to be a euphemism for demons referring to the idea that they need to possess a body in order to have a "form".
-Inquisitors: This symbol is meant to be the badge that they would wear to make it obvious that they are an inquisitor. The context of an "inquisitor" here is different, than their historic context in reality.
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Re: Kesashi's Gallery
« Reply #424 on: May 28, 2019, 04:28:56 PM »
Well I suspected you did have your reasons for the design of each logo, so it's good to see how they relate to the factions identity or location.

The Lotus totally makes sense, I can understand why you avoided a black one.

For Guardians of the North, I find it quite hard to see it as a helmet. Maybe the design just isn't one I'm used to seeing, but maybe a bit more detail would make it look more helmet like. some more details along the outline might help as well, like bumps or sections more clearly shown. Google images for reference although I imagine you do do that.

Incidentally, have you researched insignia that are used or have been used by factions/people in real life? I can only think of the Tudor rose lol. I had a quick google and these might be good reading, if nothing else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escutcheon_(heraldry)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coats_of_arms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_badge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldic_badge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_of_sovereign_states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_flags
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