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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1470 on: January 30, 2020, 10:45:17 PM »
Nothing like a good Gantt chart. I hope this helps get you on the track you want to be on Suuper!

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« Reply #1471 on: January 31, 2020, 04:58:42 PM »
I sure hope so.
Putting them all in the same place visually certainly helps, like "ok these are what you are actually doing".

Anyways January Report: (I know I said I'll be less on here but a little rambling is good for my thoughts anyway)

The month has gone quite mixed really, with a whole bunch of good and bad days.
Overall I've been productive, although I could certainly be more productive with the time that I have available, like I say I'll draw for the evening, I have 4 hours, but at the end of it I've only drawn for 2. So I've done quite a bit, but nowhere near what I could do. That's my next goal workflow-wise, to get a higher efficiency. That'll lead to higher amounts of time spent drawing and learning, so should speed up my schedule.
3 hours average a day is my target, because I'm so close anyway.

Here's my latest activity chart. Only digital work.
I've added the pale bar chart which shows the relative monthly totals, but in terms of average per day (to fit the scale)
Overall I've maintained a much higher productivity than ever previously, drawing for exactly 82 hours again this month, which was strange.
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I've drawn a bit more traditionally at the end of each day as well, which has been a mixed bunch. I'm not trying for anything at the moment, just draw a page of stuff, casually. Drawing a page every day would be nice, well , having a consistent schedule would be nice.

I processed 119 WIPs at different levels, including 53 linearts, making my total inked pieces this time round to 85/100 I'm not sure if I'll go to 200 or not but I might depending on what's left to do. The lineart quality is increasing each round, maybe because of practice, maybe because I'm running out of bad sketches and I'm using the good ones now.

I'm working on cutting down my WIPs, each time I sort through them I'm getting better and more stricter. I think I'm a bit stubborn when it comes to dropping a bad sketch, because it's like admitting that I don't have the skill to fix it up, but at the end of the day, I don't want to be an amazing sketch fixer, I want to be an amazing artist, and I've got plenty of nice sketches waiting to be worked on. And I still do a lot of fixing.
I managed to cut out 2 months worth of WIPs so far.

My daily sketch has gone super nicely and they've all gone into the WIP pile as well. I'll try and process them at a higher level since they already have a lot of details and accuracy in them.

I havent done any requests at all this month, because I switched my schedule of chaotic "doing whatever" to doing very specific but limited things each day. that's been a more productive structure and less stressful, but I need to have a slot, possibly daily, in which I do something request based, or some other project based, like a manga or something.

I'm thinking of having a daily schedule that changes each month, so I can focus on different areas but still have a stable schedule from day to day. Not knowing what I'm doing next seems to be the major cause of not doing work.

Anyways, onwards and upwards.
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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1472 on: February 01, 2020, 09:23:43 AM »
Hmm a preferred road.......can't really choose between the two. I've sort of gone 50/50 a lot of the way with my decisions.
I think each artist has their own problems they have to deal with, which will be different, like, because of their personality and life experience, and my problems were:
-not wanting to work on an image any more because I think I will ruin it.
^conversely, not being able to finish a drawing because it's already 'ruined'.
-not having a creative enough image.
-not drawing frequently enough.
-not knowing how to improve/finish a drawing from the original idea (accuracy/design)
-not having an actual method to produce finished illustrations
-not knowing how to come up with ideas.
-not wanting to work with images that are not my best (that is, not being able to meet too high expectations based on my current skill level)
-avoiding certain tools/methods/ideas because they felt like "cheating"
-not being happy with work that wasn't my absolute best.
-procrastinating and not working on certain levels of art
Rather than my actual artistic skill, I have focused on these core attitude/workflow issues first, and I am glad to say, have mostly solved all of them so they are not an issue at all now. So not all an artist's skills are related to art, is my theory, especially when it comes to my own personality. Gaining art skill/theory etc has never been an issue for me because I am confident that I can gain knowledge (we'll see haha), but it's my attitude and mindset that were the biggest issues for me.

Regarding finishing off old drawings, I have actually been fixing issues and improving them, so it's sort of a redraw when you look at it like that, but they were just never finished to begin with. I call it nostalgia but it's a little different. It's a long story but "I'm still a noob" is the shortest way to explain it :P
Here's a gif I made a while back to show how I've been processing them. You can see most are not finished but I completely change them to my new style and fix the errors.
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I have never been too interested in getting skilled as absolutely fast as possible, I'm just enjoying finding my own way. I enjoy challenges and puzzles so it's a fun journey for me :P And I think some of the things I have learned I might never have learned if I took a more "normal" route. My goals are so supremely huge that I need a bulletproof method to deal with them.

2020 paper sketch dump so far. Been drawing traditionally in the evenings as a wind down, away from the screens.
Especially the last page I like.

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Middle three - same girl, different proportion sets.










"Calibration" page




Tbh After seeing you illustrate what you meant, I agree - I actually quite like what you're doing lol!

That being said with the amazing gantt chart you posted - I'd implore to remember and respect each study individually as a separate entity & not something to complete the chart! Otherwise carry on homeboy ;) Just seen you're on 100 pages on your thread real soon  :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1473 on: February 01, 2020, 10:39:50 AM »

A lot of this step-by-step regular drawing routine looks so much better and is more encouraging when I see how charteable everything is. A lot of my personal artistic problems are in a vague cloud of dissatisfaction. If I could even begin to approach charting things in my art like this I'd be so much better for it. For now all I have are vague numbers and the like.

It's pretty coold that the sketch survival is feeding into the pipeline. A lot of your things are like parts in a massive factory that get taken from conveyor belt to conveyor belt until they're completly assembled into something interesting and cool. Nice stuff.

Pretty great to see what you've accomplished in January alone. Hope February is also epic for you.

You've pretty much said it but as far as I'm concerned finishing off WIPs or sketches is the thing  that is of more value to me than finding a new shiny project. I think the discipline and the ultimate peace of mind that comes from actually finishing a project is much better than the false hope that jumping into a new drawing will be more fun and rewarding. Sometimes comics and drawings is slow non-action packed work involving fixing, cleaning and careful consideration, and if I have that down to a pat then I'll be satisfied.

I mean jeez I've started projects years ago and they've been on the backburner for centuries. I'd be so happy to close the book on them, even if it took 4 more years before I got to work on something new.


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« Reply #1474 on: February 01, 2020, 02:28:19 PM »
im always so impressed by these info trackers you make lmao! its so big brain.

I leave PS idle all day so it would never work for me lmao

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« Reply #1475 on: February 04, 2020, 04:28:00 AM »
I'm replying on my phone on my commute to better use my time and it helps to be brief. So sorry if I miss stuff you all said.

@basic yes I'm being careful to make the studies work for me

@lego yeah I like categorising things and I also love statistics so it's perfect for me to organise myself like this. It's totally a conveyor belt. Finishing projects is indeed a great thing to do and better to finish a project than start a shiny new one haha.

@slammer I made it so it only counts the time when you are using the program, otherwise as you say it loses meaning. I get caught up in my statistics and it distracts from the art sometimes haha

I think I'll keep replying when I'm travelling as it's good for keeping me focused when I'm at home drawing.

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forgot to post a nice page i did last night. used cheap coloured pencils for the bottom right one. Going to do a bit more slightly finished pieces hopefully. Got my markers off the shelf to use as well.

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« Reply #1476 on: February 04, 2020, 09:16:27 PM »
Nice look with the coloured pencils O: I feel like that's something I could be doing more, coloured traditional stuff.
Cute poses too. Keep it up! owo
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« Reply #1477 on: February 06, 2020, 02:57:28 AM »
Thanks. I like traditional it's a lot more simple than digital - no layers, so selections, no masks and brush settings, just you and your paper.
I think all your sketches would look fantastic coloured!!

This is my warmup page over the last week, I draw for 5 minutes every morning to calibrate myself and speed up my body from sleepiness. Also for some reason I tend to try out ideas that pop into my head so that's why there's random patterns and sketches too.



I'll post a tutorial for the checkerboard pattern someday.

I'm also learning to use blender with the donut tutorials here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPrnSACiTJ4

This is my work so far. I dont get like even 1% of the tools or workflow, it's a huge leap from sketchup. I wil still use sketchup for things I'm sure but Blender is more for modelling sort of things I think. And animation, which is maybe what I might do, some day :P
I don't even get how to render yet either which is why it's so grey and strange :P


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« Reply #1478 on: February 08, 2020, 02:41:52 PM »
Finally finished a "masterpiece" set of linearts. Note that this is a masterpiece level ink, but not a masterpiece level lineart, as the undersketch was not masterpiece level. what do I mean by masterpiece? who knows :P

Left: a normal lineart I did recently (took 9 minutes)
Right: a masterpiece lineart I also did recently (took 31 minutes)(the kanji was a pain - I can write kanji, but not in brush style lol)



The quality is sort of the same but also sort of different. I hope it's better lol.
Now that I've purged the bad quality sketches my normal linearts are coming out pretty decent now as well. I'm thinking my normal quicker lineart quality is basically my manga quality, as I can't spend a lot of time on each panel or page.

I'm doing 4 linearts a day and 1 masterpiece lineart a day as well. But today is the first day I have actually done my entire daily schedule :P
I'm working on replanning all my goals/plans/projects to work with doing things daily. It's ridiculously productive and effective.
But I have to be patient with my projects now. As always I'm prioritizing core skill over actual project productivity, but sort of trying to combine the two, in other words have skill building sessions that also produce sketches or ideas or concepts that I can work with later.

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I upgraded my art organizer program to randomly select what I should work on next (i.e. which open-canvas to do a bit more of). I struggle with choosing what to do once I have done a bunch of WIPs or whatever and I think "I have my requests or whatever to do", but also "I don't feel like doing it", and I don't feel like doing anything else because "it's not the right time, I don't feel like it" . often at this point I basically stop drawing for the day. But having the computer chose for me has a powerful disassociation effect and even if it picks one I dont like it's like "oh, well, I suppose I have to do it if the computer has picked it". It takes me out of the equation. I used a similar approach to selecting which WIPs to work on next - I liked them all and so wanted to save them all for later when I was better , but I wont get better unless I actually do some, and so I got gridlocked. But having a random picker works wonders. And as proof of it's effectiveness, I just finished off a page of sketches from an open canvas that I haven't opened in nearly 2 months, just like that, just because the computer picked it. We'll see its long term effectiveness over February.

So the idea is that after I have done my 2 hour daily schedule, I keep picking random canvases and do 15 minutes on each one. The random picker is actually slightly biased to chose ones that I havent worked on in a while, to keep the projects rotating evenly, but still randomly.

And so the program grows haha


If I can just hit that top level efficiency I'll double my work without changing my schedule.
Thinking on what Lego said about planned downtime/rests, I might try putting larger rest sessions into my longer art days (or perhaps even in my normal days), as I seem to run out of mental stamina pretty quickly.
Maybe while resting I'll browse through inspirational artworks that I have saved to push up my short term visual library or something. Or just plain sleep for 45 minutes. I'm leaning a bit more into referencing work and stuff now, stealing ideas and concepts a bit more freely than before. But I've got plenty of my own ideas anyway.
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« Reply #1479 on: February 09, 2020, 11:34:24 PM »
Those lines are clean looking yo O-O I can certainly tell the difference between the 9min and the 31 min.
Especially like the hair end tapers and how there's a wider range of pen pressure going on in the right drawing.
Very nice!
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« Reply #1480 on: February 11, 2020, 04:51:36 PM »
Thanks!
I'm glad that the difference is noticeable!

Anyways I hacked away at my magic gantt chart and added a feature for planning future projects. I threw a couple of random project ideas in for testing to see how it works and it's pretty good at planning out for the future I think, especially in terms of workload and seeing when a project will finish.
So Orange is projects that have not yet started.



This is useful for tentatively putting in projects that I think I might start next, like a shortlist of sorts.
Also scarily leaning into 2021 already @_@;
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« Reply #1481 on: February 19, 2020, 10:26:55 AM »
Some "masterpiece" level finished sketches. Two more iterations until lineart. And they're already looking not bad.
Took an hour for just these 4. It's not masterpiece for no reason :P
And once again at this level there's not much difference between these and my normal ones that only take like 3 minutes. I think the bizarre difference is that there is a huge risk that the sketch will fail and come out bad with the normal method, but this improved method has a lot of mistake catching going on, so it's better at guaranteeing the quality.
So I can either:
-keep making lots of quick sketches and hope that some randomly turn out well
-spend time on each sketch and know that it will come out pretty good.




Also the before and after gif since there was quite a difference.

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I've done lots of other stuff but I'm saving that for my monthly digest, since I'm still actually trying to be on here less.
I'm starting to find a new level of productivity even higher than my previous one. Like so super high it's a joke. But super exhausting I have to actually put in breaks and rests to not kill myself lol.

Also I'm still not sure what masterpiece is or what level it should be at. Because there has to be some limit somewhere, I think.

My open-canvas v2 workflow is not doing so badly either.

A last round of WIPs everywhere and I might have finally got rid of all my 2017 WIPs, and possibly most of the 2018 as well. Dropping the low quality ones really helps obviously.

Oh here's my take on regimes and projects:
(Content - usable sketches i.e. WIPs, but not like hands or cubes)

Regimes - primary purpose to increase understanding in a field. Does not necessarily produce content (i.e. 1000 hands, 1000 cubes)(can also be copies i.e. 1000 traced photos)
Projects - primary purpose to produce content (but learning is done anyway)(i.e 1000 character sketches, a one-shot manga etc)
Project regime - mixed purpose, still primarily to increase understanding, but also produces (varying quality) content as a byproduct (i.e. 1000 Animal sketches, 1000 thumbnails)

I think I lean towards a mix of regime and project, because after a solid bunch of learning you dont have much to show for it if it's just a page of hands or something, it stops there. but if you can use what you produced in your regime, as WIPs or inspiration, then it's a lot more useful. But not everything can fit into that category.

But I think I'll stop calling stuff like my 200 linearts regime a regime, because it isn't by my own definition. It's a project. I'm not entirely sure it's that either haha.

But it really doesnt matter what you call it :P

The actual definition of regime just means an ordered way of doing things, which is actually everything I do, which isn't helpful lol
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« Reply #1482 on: February 22, 2020, 10:24:39 AM »
I'm sure there was a place for this but can't find it as always.
Anyways since the redecoration my computer desk has been a bit more organised and sensible for my art. And I've never posted it before. Actually that's a lie I did once before for when I made my manga.
Here's my workstation in its 2 configurations

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(actually there's a third setup where I point the screen towards my bed and watch anime like it's a TV haha)

I use a Cintiq 22HD Touch. The touch is very useful although I don't use it when I am drawing. I use an extra numpad keypad for my left hand to access more hot keys while I am working. With the top 2 cintiq keys set to shift and control, I can actually trigger up to about 50-60 shortcuts (using ctrl-0 etc), which is more than I currently use. I eventually want to be able to type with a physical keyboard in this configuration, I use an onscreen keyboard at the moment, which is why the touch is so handy.

It's on a movable arm which keeps it up with the other screen when not in use for drawing.
I have had this tablet for about 3 years now. I had apprehensions buying it at first because of the price (I could have bought a similar knockoff one off amazon for less but I wanted to go with a reputable company for my first buy (I don't trust amazon haha)), but I thought to myself, if you don't spend money what are you even saving up for?

The blue glove is a 2 finger artists glove. very useful and I use them for traditional sometimes as well. stops me sticking to my paper or the screen.

I very much like drawing on the screen because it feels a lot more normal, like you're really drawing on paper. The only downside is that your hand blocks out the portion of the screen it's leaning on (as opposed to a normal tablet with which you are not touching the screen)

There are a whole bunch of parallax issues no matter what everyone says (i.e. calibration so you're not drawing 1mm away from where you think you're drawing), but that's unavoidable if you shift your posture and viewing angle and hand angle. But you do get used to it, and sometimes I dont even notice when I'm about 5mm offset for normal sketching. For maximum precision, I have to take the same posture that I used when I calibrated the screen, and then it's 0mm error. I haven't calibrated in over a year. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

The only thing I would change about my setup is that I would like a third screen, so my art screen can stay in the down position permanently, and have a dual screen normal setup. It's not an effort to move it, but having it instantly ready would be a lifesaver for those sluggish days. And it would probably help with calibration if the screen was always at the same angle as I left it the day before. I think I need a bigger desk or a different setup to fit it on though, so that's probably a year or more down the line.

The hot keys are fantastic altough I would prefer them to be all on the left hand side, hence my own bodge setup to increase the button count.

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which reminds me, drawing anime themed backgrounds was another project that I never picked up because I couldn't draw as well as I wanted. I could probably have a decent bash at that now.
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« Reply #1483 on: February 28, 2020, 02:40:41 AM »
Finally finished a batch of masterpiece coloured sketches. Averaged over an hour for each one.
Basically working out of my depth for the most part, and a lot of guesswork was going on. I'm hoping as I study body and clothing shade that this level will jump in quality soon. Also for a lot of things it was my first time working at that high a level, such as the eye rendering. Also my workflow was a bit unsure as I was doing more iterations of shade and I got lost a couple of times as to what I was meant to be doing.
Overall highish quality but not my best. Also the linearts are older so they are not my best either. I was partly limited by that. I think the colors are a little off as well for the skin, if not other stuff as well.
Glad to finally be working on finished pieces again.

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For comparison see this post which I think is the last time I tried to colour something.
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,4319.msg299865.html#msg299865
Oh hey almost exactly 1 year ago. Huh.
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« Reply #1484 on: February 28, 2020, 01:27:52 PM »
Damn you weren't kidding about masterpiece level suuper. These are freaking amazing! My woooord that last one ends me hahahaha. I bow and step off the board haha. You're on that level of art I wish I could reach dude. Serious props!

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