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Re: Writer Discussion Table
« Reply #1755 on: February 16, 2017, 09:06:52 AM »
That's actually a pretty useful tip. I just wish I could visualize backgrounds that well, because that'd really be a fun way to take notes as well.

Well on my mind right now is Kingfisher, a story where people go into portals to find treasures. There's also another story which is an anthology of short stories surrounding a town that has a gang war between sword users and gun users. In other words the usual hubaloo of countless stories haha.

What  are you working on?

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« Reply #1756 on: February 16, 2017, 10:38:19 AM »
A lot of writers keep a journal. They just write the first thing that comes to mind, even if it doesn't make sense grammatically or semantically. Maybe they describe what's around them. Or whatever. Just to get them writing no matter what.

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« Reply #1757 on: February 18, 2017, 11:54:09 PM »
I've just been organizing my thoughts for the Infinity Flame story. I decided that I want to set up an interesting story aspect for it though. A lot of things are left unclear at the end of the main story. I did this intentionally so that those who enjoy the original story can stick with that, meanwhile, I will be working on a pre-cursor to Infinity Flame called The Song of the Flame, that explains how the world got to the shape it's in as well as the cause for the existence of the Infinity Flame. I actually got this idea from the Fate/Stay series, as I watched Unlimited Blade Works first, then realized that Fate/Zero existed as well. Fate/Zero was actually made first, but the order that I watched the two series in gave me the idea for Infinity Flame and Song of the Flame.

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« Reply #1758 on: February 19, 2017, 12:04:29 AM »
Another thing I forgot to mention (just as an interesting side-note), I actually got most of my references from other animes and mangas, and most of my characters are based off of people that I know in real life. The animes that kind of strung this all together for me were Fate/Stay franchise, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Bleach, Naruto, Hunter x Hunter, One Punch Man (I am determined to make Seth stronger than Saitama at the end of the story), Akame Ga Kill, and one of the largest driving factor has got to be Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Complete. If you look hard enough, you can probably find aspects of all of these in the Infinity Flame storyline.

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« Reply #1759 on: February 21, 2017, 06:31:40 PM »
I gotta say most sci-fi dialogue is clunky to me. That is all.

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« Reply #1760 on: February 23, 2017, 11:41:24 PM »
I'll never understand why love triangles draw me in so. Perhaps underneath all of this calcified bitterness and cynicism there is a romantic after all.

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« Reply #1761 on: February 24, 2017, 03:25:44 AM »
Hahaha there's little romance in a love triangle. If it were true love one would go after the one right? And stick to that choice... I think?

Or do you mean a situation where the princess has to marry a not-so-bad-guy while there's the street urchin with a heart of gold and adventure waiting around?


Sci-fi dialogue... Do you consider Interstellar and Matrix to fall into those categories?

My worst gripe with some sci-fi - especially the good old hard sf - is how empty of emotion they can be. Dune is amazing, but I've never truly experienced any emotion from the characters. Space Odessey by Arthur C Clarke was also pretty good to go through but it really is just a cold relation of interesting facts and science with everyday characters. Which works for the genre I suppose.


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« Reply #1762 on: February 24, 2017, 08:33:09 PM »
I gotta say most sci-fi dialogue is clunky to me. That is all.

This is pretty much my gripe with it when I try to write a tiny thing with sci fi stuff. Its the main reason I fall back on Fantasy, because I have so much wriggle room with the dialogue.

Hahaha there's little romance in a love triangle. If it were true love one would go after the one right? And stick to that choice... I think?

Or do you mean a situation where the princess has to marry a not-so-bad-guy while there's the street urchin with a heart of gold and adventure waiting around?


Sci-fi dialogue... Do you consider Interstellar and Matrix to fall into those categories?

My worst gripe with some sci-fi - especially the good old hard sf - is how empty of emotion they can be. Dune is amazing, but I've never truly experienced any emotion from the characters. Space Odessey by Arthur C Clarke was also pretty good to go through but it really is just a cold relation of interesting facts and science with everyday characters. Which works for the genre I suppose.



Space Odessey was pretty good, but when I remember it, I got the same impression. I think there would have been a lot more emotion if there were more characters tbh, instead of the computer just killing off Poole and all and sorry Dave. I felt like Space Odessey 2012 and the movie (I think it was 2012) brought more emotion to the new characters plus the computer (Who gets a happy ending, WOOO!)


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« Reply #1763 on: February 28, 2017, 03:53:35 PM »
Still haven't watched the movie. I was on an old school classic watching binge but never got around to it.


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« Reply #1764 on: February 28, 2017, 04:14:27 PM »
Hahaha there's little romance in a love triangle. If it were true love one would go after the one right? And stick to that choice... I think?

Or do you mean a situation where the princess has to marry a not-so-bad-guy while there's the street urchin with a heart of gold and adventure waiting around?
Well, a love triangle just involves three people. I'm specifically thinking of Macross right now. Dude likes girl who doesn't like him back. Other girl likes dude. He doesn't like her. He comes around tho, and then the first girl likes him because she's in a not so great relationship. Kids on the Slope is a love triangle too... or quadrilateral.

Sci-fi dialogue... Do you consider Interstellar and Matrix to fall into those categories?
Haven't seen the Matrix. I don't remember noticing anything particularly off about Interstellar's dialogue. I was prompted to write the comment by an episode of Black Mirror where the dialogue was particularly contrived. Just trying to introduce pieces of the setting with dialogue in a very on-the-nose sort of way.

My worst gripe with some sci-fi - especially the good old hard sf - is how empty of emotion they can be. Dune is amazing, but I've never truly experienced any emotion from the characters. Space Odessey by Arthur C Clarke was also pretty good to go through but it really is just a cold relation of interesting facts and science with everyday characters. Which works for the genre I suppose.
Yeah, that's why I never finished Dune. Seems like hard sci-fi tends to avoid that sort of thing.

The Kubrick film is cool. Dave is a bit of a vanilla character, though, yeah. I haven't seen 2012, but I'd imagine I wouldn't like it as much for the sole reason that the biggest appeal of 2001 is Kubrick's cinematography and the amount of silence it uses to communicate the terror of space.

A similar sci-fi film that I like a lot more and has much more emotion is Solaris. Not the newer 2002 remake, but the original 1972 Russian version. Tarkovsky has a similar experimental bent to Kubrick, but with more spiritual and melancholic aspects. Also, it's one of the prettiest films I've ever seen. He uses silence a lot, but the characters still have personalities, worldviews, etc. I'd definitely recommend it. It was on Hulu, but I think it got taken down with the rest of the Criterion Collection. Still, a great film if you guys ever get the chance. Also, Interstellar's use of organ in its soundtrack is definitely an homage to Solaris.
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« Reply #1765 on: February 28, 2017, 04:26:30 PM »
Kids on The Slope hurt the feels organ like you have no idea.

Black Mirror is amazing, but it can do that some times for sure. I preferred the first season, but either way, great way to have a bleak expectation for the future. Love it.

I've never heard of that movie, so I'll definitely look into it. I thought the silence thing was overrated and 'artsy fartsy'. But from what I've watched of Odessey and from what I saw in The Shining I was amazed at how taken I was by seeing everything just develop like that. When I saw the year the films were made in it blew my mind. What happened Hollywood. What the hell happened?

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« Reply #1766 on: February 28, 2017, 05:12:28 PM »
Well Kubrick did both, so there's that. And back then you had Francis Ford Coppola in his prime.

You still have some good'uns today, though. Terrence Malick, Richard Linklater, Paul Thomas Anderson, Christopher Nolan, Joel Coen.

But yeah, lots of people only talk about Marvel/Star Wars/Disney/Pixar, which irks me because the Marvel movies are very forgettable and Disney and Pixar have been hit and miss. And Star Wars threatens to fall prey to the exact problems Marvel falls prey to.
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« Reply #1767 on: March 01, 2017, 05:13:01 PM »
So the simple fact that I had to google who that was meant that I'd already automatically missed out on a gargantuan chunk of history. Like wow, The Godfather? Really!? Wow.

I dunno Malick, Linklater, Anderson or Coen... I think. I'll have to google those too I'm afraid.

I loved the latest Star Wars - A pity about the extended universe - And Marvel is getting off light only because people are comparing it to DC, and you have to give them kudos for accomplishing this after so many years.

But come on guys, Civil War? That's an event involving so many more characters and storylines than a slugfest at an airport.

I just feel like sometimes despite the technology of this day and age and the money that flows creators become so complacent when making stuff.

Star Wars should never be just good. It should be freaking amazing. I want Netflix stuff in the main movie universe...

To be clear though I loved that movie.

I still need to see Moana though.

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« Reply #1768 on: March 01, 2017, 07:24:21 PM »
So the simple fact that I had to google who that was meant that I'd already automatically missed out on a gargantuan chunk of history. Like wow, The Godfather? Really!? Wow.
He was one of the movie brats, the generation of Spielberg, Scorsese, and Lucas. While Coppola exited his golden age sooner than Spielberg and Scorsese, he shined a bit brighter imo. The Godfather films and Apocalypse Now are some of my favorites of all time. Scorsese is definitely worth checking out too, though, and, of course Spielberg has got it going on.

I dunno Malick, Linklater, Anderson or Coen... I think. I'll have to google those too I'm afraid.
Malick directed Tree of Life and Thin Red Line, Linklater directed Boyhood (or, more famously, School of Rock), Anderson directed There Will Be Blood (one of the greatest historical epics of all time btw), and the Coen brothers did No Country for Old Men, The Big Lebowski, Fargo, True Grit, O Brother Where Art Thou, and tons of pretty big titles.

I loved the latest Star Wars - A pity about the extended universe - And Marvel is getting off light only because people are comparing it to DC, and you have to give them kudos for accomplishing this after so many years.

But come on guys, Civil War? That's an event involving so many more characters and storylines than a slugfest at an airport.
To be fair, Civil War was solid narratively (can't even say that much about the first Captain America film), but aesthetically it was generic mush. I couldn't care less about any of the characters or anything that went on because I wasn't engaged on a basic level. Has partly to do with the music being pretty dime a dozen and poorly used at that, and also the CGI absorbed visuals. Seems when trying to "do something different with the Marvel Franchise" they just get different writers, but even then it doesn't diverge much. Antman which was supposed to be "different from most Marvel movies" according to most felt, to me, exactly the same and had other problems even. It gets props for using "Plainsong" by the Cure, but honestly not in a very effective way. It's all just a byproduct of a large studio trying to please too many people. The immersion and creativity can suffer sometimes.

Star Wars should never be just good. It should be freaking amazing. I want Netflix stuff in the main movie universe...
I liked the Force Awakens. It had some narrative problems, but there was a lot of passion in it. The visuals were stunning and they used a lot of practical effects. It still was too nostalgic for the original films to escape the original films' shadow, but it seemed to and still seems to show a lot of promise for later films, especially since JJ Abrams approach was to imitate the originals to give other directors a platform to expand the aesthetic in later films. While I have not seen any of his films, I have heard lots of good things about Rian Johnson, who will be directing episode 8, from people whose opinions I trust. Still need to see Looper.

Rogue One, though... it was competent for sure, but rather vapid. I mean it felt the same as a Marvel film generally. Except I was more impressed with certain aspects of Rogue One, for the same reasons I couldn't really connect with it, like for instance that its sole reason for existing was to make sense of the plot holes in the other films. As a result, it was in some ways the most solid SW film narratively (aside from the fact that Cassian backed off of Jyn when asking for her gun just because she had clever one-liners, even when the robot was saying that there was a high chance he would get shot, a plot hole pointed out, but never really addressed clearly), but ultimately not moving or intriguing or challenging for me in anyway. Perhaps it could have been longer and expounded on its themes more. It kind of all just felt technical, like when Jyn was crying in front of the hologram of her father, I was just like "this makes sense," but I didn't really get much emotion from it. Also, that Force mantra got on my nerves after a while.

I still need to see Moana though.
Ah, Moana. See, it could have been really good, and aspects of it were, but it's emblematic of Disney's embrace of the aesthetics of other cultures at arms length. Maui's song just had to be a white-as-hell musical theater number, Moana's song too, and several musical and visual things just kinda seemed very Westernized (not that there weren't moments where they had Polynesian music; they just should have had more of it), which is typical for large studios which try to package other cultures in a Western friendly way. Back when the original 1954 Godzilla first hit American theaters, they made alterations and edited in a white dude and took out a lot of the scenes that made the atomic bomb/WWII allegory obvious, to the detriment of the film. But even without a distaste for the general attitude it makes the films less immersive than they could be.

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« Reply #1769 on: March 01, 2017, 08:47:45 PM »
I need to watch Apocalypse Now, and I know of Scorsese because of the hype for Silence (Another movie I need a complete blackout on that I want to watch. =

Aaaah The Coen Brothers. Man, Fargo series on FX was amazing. I mean how original can you get? And I mean that as literally as possible: This was a TV Series that did not bother with being a genre and focused on telling a tale according ot its own laws and weirdness. So good. So frustrating, so inspired.  I liked the first season better, but the finale of the second season was quite amazing.


I saw the youtube video that criticized the music of Marvel. The first thing that convinced me? It was the fact that even in my under-the-rock level of movie knowledge, I knew the theme song to the matrix before I could pin point a single theme song of a marvel movie. Not a good sign at all.


Ah, glad to hear you liked FA. Rogue One I enjoyed as well, but it felt like a shame when they plugged the plot holes so well. I'd have loved that urban legend to stay the same ad infinitum. I mean there's so much humour that was generated by that. I was impressed by the ending though. Disney has a long way to go before I can trust it, but Rogue One had an ending (and battles) that showed the consequences of war quite well I think.


Gaaah. I'll still watch it. I have lower standards than music aficionados like you, so I hope I can still enjoy it despite the westernization. I'll know when I hit a rut though and give up.

I'm still shocked that Finding Dory didn't explode something in the Internet. I dread to ask if THAT was good or not... Sigh.