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Re: Writer Discussion Table
« Reply #1140 on: February 20, 2015, 09:47:02 AM »
hm. let's see, star trek. humanity gets forged together by a series of massive terrible wars, where the survivors agree that maybe it's time to stop being dicks to each other. they remove the concept of money, and build the idea that the most noble thing a human can do is selflessly explore the cosmos. so everyone works for free essentially, but it's ok because they believe in what they do and because technology has advanced so far that their needs can be tended to without the need for money to do it.

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« Reply #1141 on: February 20, 2015, 10:06:22 AM »
Seriously? I never looked into that proper, but now that I think of it I've never seen humans pitted against humans on Earth in Star Trek before...

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« Reply #1142 on: February 20, 2015, 10:34:43 AM »
I think the Book of Eli looks at humanity's response to being crippled by war way better than Star Trek does... People aren't as selfless as they are shown to be in ST... there will always be someone that seeks to control the masses under the pretence that it's for the greater good.

And of course I have read The Giver! it was a year 9 English assignment... but I re-read it recently on my Kindle for personal enjoyment and deliberation :biggrin:

Check these out:
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-utopia.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_20537_6-carefully-planned-utopias-that-went-spectacularly-insane.html
http://mentalfloss.com/article/23297/4-utopian-communities-didnt-pan-out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/utopias_n_3768023.html

Basically to have a Utopia you have to find a way to avoid the chaotic side of human nature. Like in star trek you have to have a way for humans to agree to it willingly and never want to change anything or break the rules. A Utopia built on lies and misdeeds only last as long as them being kept a secret and then it becomes a dystopia, unless the inhabitants are just as pragmatic and evil...

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« Reply #1143 on: February 20, 2015, 11:01:27 AM »
Cracked always has a way with words, but that was certainly an interesting read.

Still trawling through the other links but... Doesn't it sort of seem like Utopias are super futile while Dystopias are super easy to maintain?

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« Reply #1144 on: February 20, 2015, 11:22:48 AM »
Yup...

The way I see it a Utopia only works with a very very low population... Otherwise Dystopian aspects are required to maintain things after the number of people gets out of hand.

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« Reply #1145 on: February 20, 2015, 11:50:09 AM »
So... A Utopia would be a series of small communities maintaining themselves. When one rots then it should be kicked out... and so on and so forth. >..>

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Re: Writer Discussion Table
« Reply #1146 on: February 20, 2015, 02:16:13 PM »
An overwhelming amount of Robots can be used to maintain utopias. They have no ideals or desires.

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« Reply #1147 on: February 20, 2015, 02:44:54 PM »
Give them artificial intelligences... And feelings, and then the utopia ceases to exist

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« Reply #1148 on: February 20, 2015, 07:20:42 PM »
if i may. A Utopia could only work if it's entire populace were, for lack of a better term, brainwashed.

everyone would have to have the same moral compass and philosophy of life. Kind of like what NO1SEY said with "avoiding the chaotic side" of human nature, but to a a more microscopic degree.

even if everyone were for the most part brainwashed, then you still have those few rebels that are thinking outside the box when they arent supposed to. How these nonconformists are dealt with is what really makes a believable Utopia hard to pull off. Unless of course, it were a fake one, or fronted one similar to the Earth kingdom in the original Airbender series.

I believe it was an old english teacher i once had who said "a REAL utopia isnt worth writing about because GUESS WHAT?! its a Utopia! there's no conflict or anything interesting worth writing about."

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« Reply #1149 on: February 20, 2015, 07:53:45 PM »
It's true! How boring would a place that is perfect be to read about!? Nothing exciting would ever happen!

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« Reply #1150 on: February 21, 2015, 02:01:12 AM »
Reading about mayhap, I would certainly enjoy living in one for a while. If I was an immortal I'd visit a Utopia to wind down and then head out into the world if I ever feel particularly bored for whatever reason .

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« Reply #1151 on: February 21, 2015, 07:47:53 AM »
sounds like a retirement home...

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« Reply #1152 on: February 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM »
Hahahaha

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Re: Writer Discussion Table
« Reply #1153 on: February 21, 2015, 03:11:58 PM »
Personally. I wouldn't want to live in a utopia anyway, chaos makes life less boring.

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Re: Writer Discussion Table
« Reply #1154 on: February 21, 2015, 03:48:53 PM »
Personally, I see no entertainment in strife and would love a utopia.