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Offline 50 Words for Paipis

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Re: Writer Discussion Table
« Reply #1770 on: March 01, 2017, 09:45:58 PM »
Oh, I mean, Moana isn't a tedious watching experience. It's keep afloat. And moments of it are good enough to keep watching. I just didn't necessarily like everything about it. I enjoyed it just not as much as it's hype which raised my expectations a bit too high perhaps, the problem with all the hype over these films.

Yeah, I actually loved Finding Dory. Moreso than Inside Out and Zootopia, both of which had better writing, if that says anything about me.

For Rogue One, again, it could have just been the result of runtime. Thinking about it now, I would not have minded at all if it had been a three hour movie and they expounded on the characters and themes more. Saw Gerrera got criminally little screentime, too. It was just underwhelming for me.
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« Reply #1771 on: March 01, 2017, 09:51:24 PM »
Rogue One was majorly lacking in character. Much of the cast was bland and it felt like bits of the movie where missing. There was not enough there to really feel anything in the end. But the space battle was beyond amazing and in general the last act was simply outstanding. But putting that aside it was lacking in some regards.

The Force Awakens, like, I love the nostalgia okay. It's powerful for me, I might've almost cried once or twice, when that opening scroll hit it was like nothing else, like I am here seeing this again wow wow oh God my eyes, but watching it again I realized how heavily it plays on that and really...there are weak elements to the overall narrative but I like what it's set-up. I like Kylo as a unprepared and lame villain but Rey picked things up much to fast. Still it's there to be like hey we can make something that feels like Star Wars. Episode 8 will really tell us whether or not continuing was a good or bad idea. I mean it is a good idea regardless 'cuz money, but you know what I mean.
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« Reply #1772 on: May 08, 2017, 08:50:28 AM »
I wasn't really sure where to pose this question, so I figured I'd run with it here.

I'm wanting to write a Persona Fanfiction with an OC cast. I originally wasn't going to set it in Japan cuz I couldn't be bothered with all the research...but all the Persona series have been set in Japan. So what do I do? Should I go with that to keep it as true to the series roots? Or go with the original plan of setting it elsewhere?

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« Reply #1773 on: May 08, 2017, 12:17:20 PM »
I wasn't really sure where to pose this question, so I figured I'd run with it here.

I'm wanting to write a Persona Fanfiction with an OC cast. I originally wasn't going to set it in Japan cuz I couldn't be bothered with all the research...but all the Persona series have been set in Japan. So what do I do? Should I go with that to keep it as true to the series roots? Or go with the original plan of setting it elsewhere?

Elsewhere, with a field trip to Japan at some point.

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« Reply #1774 on: May 08, 2017, 03:13:47 PM »
Well it's a fanfiction set in the same world, it doesn't need to be set in the same place if you have just original characters. It would make more sense to set it somewhere you know, and it would be written better as well I feel.

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« Reply #1775 on: May 08, 2017, 03:25:01 PM »
Yeah, OC cast gives you freedom to set it wherever you want and the overall story would probably benefit from a setting you are familiar with.

However, my understanding is that ff are generally treated more casually from a writer/reader perspective, so probably, even if you set it in Japan, it would not be put under that much scrutiny.

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« Reply #1776 on: June 04, 2017, 05:50:58 PM »
I haven't seen this pop up in a while and best thought to post here rather than making a new topic.

I've been thinking of stepping up my drawing skills by creating a 4koma (4 panel) series in a school life, slice of life type of genre. I thought this might be a nice exercise to practice drawing characters consistently without putting too much thought into panel layouts.

However, I'm wondering if a high school life, slice of life, could work in a North American type of setting. Thoughts?

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« Reply #1777 on: June 05, 2017, 11:13:38 AM »
Slice of Life can be applied to almost any setting if you take it at its core value; quirky characters and interactions between them.

Setting it in a school in North America means you'll want to focus on USA/Canadian student stereotypes. So people like jocks, cheerleaders, nerds with asthma... the whole cliche unoriginal bunch. Build a supporting cast from that then consider what you want your main characters to be; the normal protagonist so they observe the world and the audience can identify them, a quirky protagonist who throws their own bit of insanity into the rigid cliches, or maybe do something cheeky and have a Japanese stereotype like an otaku who collects nickelodeon rather than anime models.

Some people can assume stereotypes and cliches as poor writing, but really they're plot devices. Cliches are so well known characters that you're building up an audience's expectation of them, so a good writing technique would be to subvert the expectations. The perfect girl who gets high grades and is pretty? Maybe she has a diary where she writes down murderous thoughts of any 'competition' she might have. Bullies attacking someone? Have the 70 year old headteacher pull out a wrestling move on them. Small twists and gimmicks like that are fun to pull off.

Make the mundane amazing. Japanese have a culture of superstition and mythology that they constantly poke fun at, such as the scene in Azumanga Diaoh where one of the girls throws a shoe for luck (I think?) and it ends up on a truck, lost forever. Look at American culture and consider some of the phrases they have, "Time is money", you could have a snippet of someone being so obsessed with looking at a clock at work that they mess up their job.

And characters, characters, characters! Always figure out how each character would interact with another, then figure out how you can mess around with their relationship; maybe the nerd gets popular whilst the popular girl loses twitter followers- this will change the usual interaction between the two.

That's my two cents anyhow. Sorry for the bad examples, uh, I couldn't think of much on the spot  :ninja:

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« Reply #1778 on: July 06, 2017, 11:23:42 PM »
Working on planning out Dragon's Curse. I'm making progress, but as always I can't stay focused on writing stuff for more than a few minutes at a time. I can focus on drawing for an entire day, but not writing... Still not sure what's up with that. I think maybe it has to do with me being a visual person so I like being able to see how much more I need to do and feel a sense of completion as I do. I'm not sure exactly though.

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« Reply #1779 on: July 06, 2017, 11:44:35 PM »
I feel the exact same way. I can go picture to picture when drawing, colouring, sketching, etc., but I can't start writing from a cold start. I usually have to do some simple base colouring just to get the productive vibe flowing in me to start writing. For me, I think it's comparing progress with space. With art you can use the whole page and visually see progress being made and improve, but with writing you got to have a starting point and make your way downwards, left-to-right. :hmm:

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« Reply #1780 on: July 07, 2017, 12:17:26 AM »
As somebody who was introduced into the creative world through writing, there are several key differences of it in comparison to art. As somebody who merely doodled when the inspiration hit (as opposed to a well studied artist), I'll be comparing my tendencies of impulsively drawing versus impulsively writing.

Drawing is unique to me in a strange way. I feel like as you progress through your piece, you gradually get a better understanding on the direction you want to head, as well as start to picture the final product. For instance, when I doodle, it usually starts with a circle or an oval-- but I never really have an idea of how it would eventually turn out. I could be working on normal human features, before suddenly twisting into making a more grotesque zombified version. Art is special in the way that it can be extremely flexible, and is never fully finished until you happen upon a satisfactory result.

Writing, on the other hand, is extremely fixed. Rather, it is hard to compose a good storyline unless it is fixed. When people write as they go, they lose a lot of opportunities to set up the story and characters for the future, which often makes for a rather dull read. In order to combat this, authors attempt to set up new adversaries, each one more powerful than his/her predecessors. For most cases, after one or two good arcs, the story becomes repetitive and more of a chore to read and write rather than something entertaining. Because of this, most authors do extensive planning for their novels, or even whole series, before they even begin to write. This often takes up the majority of the book-making process. When the writing is ongoing, however, there is little room for change.

This is primarily my observations based on the techniques I (and most other artists) use when drawing or writing. I know there are other methods out there, but they personally seem less effective, or run into problems in the long run.
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« Reply #1781 on: July 07, 2017, 09:10:56 AM »
Don't underestimate the power of revising endlessly.

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« Reply #1782 on: August 04, 2017, 05:05:17 AM »
Working on planning out Dragon's Curse. I'm making progress, but as always I can't stay focused on writing stuff for more than a few minutes at a time. I can focus on drawing for an entire day, but not writing... Still not sure what's up with that. I think maybe it has to do with me being a visual person so I like being able to see how much more I need to do and feel a sense of completion as I do. I'm not sure exactly though.

I think I may have found a way to do my story planning in a way that my mind doesn't find boring now... Flow Charts. ^^

Here's an in progress look to show what I mean.


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I've never really liked writing events as "lists" so this works. I can see at a glance all the pieces the are in play and how they interact over time. I can also easily mark the events that readers will follow and the ones that happen in the background (Black bubbles for the sections which will be written and light blue ones for the background events).

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« Reply #1783 on: August 04, 2017, 08:10:58 AM »
Based on a old post about zombies,

On the subject of zombies, toss in abnormal ones here an there. Think like Attack on Titan with the abnormal titans but on a smaller scale. So now you don't have just slow or fast decaying people coming after you, but also ones that may specialize in a certain field. Longer arms to bash and grapple. Stronger body to jump and climb better. Maybe even consider larger bodies to have more armour. I mean, we've all seen games and movies try to twist up the age old idea of zombies.

I for one would like to see something more hellhound related.
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« Reply #1784 on: August 04, 2017, 07:41:43 PM »
Working on planning out Dragon's Curse. I'm making progress, but as always I can't stay focused on writing stuff for more than a few minutes at a time. I can focus on drawing for an entire day, but not writing... Still not sure what's up with that. I think maybe it has to do with me being a visual person so I like being able to see how much more I need to do and feel a sense of completion as I do. I'm not sure exactly though.

I think I may have found a way to do my story planning in a way that my mind doesn't find boring now... Flow Charts. ^^

Here's an in progress look to show what I mean.


Spoiler


I've never really liked writing events as "lists" so this works. I can see at a glance all the pieces the are in play and how they interact over time. I can also easily mark the events that readers will follow and the ones that happen in the background (Black bubbles for the sections which will be written and light blue ones for the background events).

That's a really good idea Robin. I've used a timeline style log for events but a flow chart seems more flexible and you can link multiple events together.