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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2019, 05:38:00 AM »
well.. i really need a much more mechanical solution...
something that rely on pre existing references...not 3d but precise
as in 1 is equal to 1 and so on.

i dont even know how to dive right in.

there's no target or project to do.

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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2019, 11:06:50 AM »
What do you want to learn to draw for?
Like manga/portraits/illustration?
I assume since you want to draw the same character over and over that you are aiming at a manga or comic?
Maybe you can try and write/draw a short story for practice.

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a much more mechanical solution...
Well, a "mechanical" method would be tracing or something, or copy and pasting the image in photoshop or similar.
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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2019, 04:59:17 PM »
my interest is around manga anime games toys stuff....

well tracing and copying is off limit now isnt it? and beside it's not very useful either...

short story eh? ok i can try that


what are my other options for likeness tool?

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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 01:47:27 AM »
try to learn to copy stuff exactly, like using a grid or something. So you will learn how to exactly draw what you are seeing in the reference sheet of the character.
maybe these will help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088v4hXE4xs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFGqgdSTLiM
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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2019, 04:52:47 AM »
Oh yeah i kinda have done that back in school

 it makes me having to print tons of references...is there any cheaper solution than that?
i have done that and it felt like a waste...


and also, writing short story...how do i do that?
i'd love to be able to write and publish like in shonen jumps...get award or something but im not exactly nipponese to be able to converse or write a gag there...

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2019, 05:03:48 AM »
if you have a computer/phone/tablet you can digitally draw a grid over the top of the image and view it without printing it out.
You can also print the references at a different size - and then enlarge using the grid method.
like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx2zhcNZ2sQ
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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2019, 05:49:12 AM »
oh grid enlarging...i had that tool once.

it's abit nervewrecking for me. i get frustated because it's not, pixel perfect at all. compared to tracing which will definitely calm me down for being, completely on point and precise.

do you think you have anything smaller than grid?

i think i can deal square by square easier.... but i am still far from knowing how to, get the character likeness pixel by pixel sort of... on reference...especially since references are, alot...front, side, below, top etc...

it's a waste to be, not "on reference" isnt it?

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2019, 06:51:16 AM »
it can be difficult if you get frustrated with mistakes, because you will make a lot of mistakes learning to draw!
maybe try and be less frustrated? XD I know that sounds really hard but it might be easier in the long run.
I used to be a lot more perfectionist but I've learned to deal with mistakes and not to expect too much of myself while I learn.
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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2019, 08:38:11 AM »
yeah sorry to uh...pursue this...debate? argument?

i'm not really expecting much of "myself" here.
just wanna draw like the mangaka i like becase drawing as such and such is fun. not perfect...just, exact? i suppose.

no grids pls.

do you know anything from top o your mind?

some tricks maybe. what's the name?
making characters look same consistently from panel to panel?

i dont even know what to goog sorry

sorry for the treble

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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2019, 12:17:17 PM »
other than what I've said, I don't think I can help much, sorry :( others might offer some advice if you stay around and chat with other members.
I think drawing exact and perfect are very similar though.
Literally tons of practice is what has helped me to draw as well as I can, so that's all I can suggest.
I don't think there's a shortcut like what you're looking for, other than the tips I have mentioned.
There's a reason people study art all the way up to Uni - there's a lot to learn!
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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2019, 04:25:51 PM »
Aw man, that's too bad... i dont have money or time for Uni....not even unicorn gunpla...

I mean... is image like this even considered consistent? lol


Well, please let me know if you know anything else...

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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2019, 06:29:52 AM »
well every artist has their own way of drawing emotions. manga is an exaggerated style so often the faces wont look the same as the normal face.
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Re: likenessEh what was the original mission?
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2019, 08:54:46 AM »
it's not the emotion...
i'm just trying to be on model of sorts....

consistently getting the "right enough" length and sizes and curves of the characters...not too short, not too long...
if exageratted, on model too. otherwise, on model. within limit.

especially the curvings..sizes..to make the character look similar from page to page, panel to panel...

like...how do you even use charactre sheets like this and keep it on model?


how much of the character sheet?

how do you model it from page to page correccly

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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2019, 11:44:01 AM »
you need to make sure that when you draw an object, the proportions are the same, making sure that each part is the same size in relation to each other. This takes practice, but you can use a ruler to compare sizes and then when drawing, make sure that the parts you have drawn have the same proportions to the reference sheet.
There's no easy way to become good at drawing but try and just copy the reference images as they are on the page, to get used to drawing the parts and getting the portions right.
Try and use guidelines to draw larger "blocks" of shape and then draw the details within them.
here's how to break down a reference into it's blocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KfmA6cEpU0
I think you should try and copy something simpler first as practice before attempting a reference as complex as the one you are trying because there is a lot of detail and it can be overwhelming.
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Re: likenessEh
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2019, 04:26:51 PM »
Drawing the same thing over again is the easy part. The hard part is drawing something different. We tend to get stuck in our conventions. Once you figure out how to draw something, all you have to do is exactly that, again. How did you draw it the first time? That's easy, you were there, you can retrace your steps. You might not be aware of how you drew it, but that gives you a good opportunity to figure it out. Learn about yourself, and why you draw the way you do.

When you're talking about an exact replica, you'll need to use a grid system. There's no avoiding that. But exact replicas are not necessary for neither animation nor graphic novels. It's not even necessary for the proportions to be the same. Unless you want it to be. Or maybe the writer wants it to be, or the publisher wants it to be. You get to decide the answers to these questions.

When you start drawing you will find out that drawing the same thing over and over again is easy. Because naturally that's how our brain works. Simple patterns and formulas. Obviously it will be noticeably different. But for exact replicas it would be worth it to invest in digital media, so you can copy and paste and not have to deal with spending time making grids.

You can also use a projector to project onto the paper and then trace the projection. That's a perfectly acceptable method that professional artists use all the time.
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