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Who Really Should've won???
« on: May 09, 2018, 12:21:29 AM »
Alright guys, this topic is for us anime fans to discuss and rant over our favorite anime fights or just popular fights in general. In this topic, we're going to name a fight and discuss who actually should've won that fight, while providing facts to support our claims, regardless of the actual victor of said fight. Feel free to rant as you do so. You're bound to do it sooner or later.

I'll start this off with a fight from Bleach that will forever bug me to my core.

Who Really Should've Won: Ichigo Kurosaki vs Kenpachi Zaraki

Look man, I understand Ichigo had unlocked a massive amount of spiritual energy when he dealt the victory blow to Kenpachi, but still everything leading up to that moment was Ichigo basically getting toyed with and smacked around. Kenpachi could've easily won the fight if he had wanted to and that's what bugs me so much about it.

My memory of bleach is pretty shot, so I'm unsure if that fight was ruled as a win for ichigo or a tie, but regardless, I still think that Kenpachi should've utterly demolished Ichigo. If not that, at least to the point where he beats up Ichigo so much that he ends up being impressed by his resiliency and decides to spare him out of respect. Then again, that possibility probably wouldn't even fall in line with Kenpachi's character.   
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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 07:39:07 AM »
Yeah, Kenpachi really should have curb stomped him. I think the official line is that he was holding back because he figured Ichigo had the potential to provide an actual fight somewhere down the line. Rereading it now, the only way I feel it's justified is to call it a lucky shot and not think about it too much.

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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2018, 10:53:01 PM »
I can understand it being a lucky shot. However, if I'm going off memory, I don't think a lucky shot can be justified with a guy like Kenpachi.  Or even someone like Byakuya, which was another fight I had sort of have a problem with. Although, I'll admit Ichigo vs Byakuya is a bit more debatable for me. Ichigo definitely had the element of surprise advantage during certain moments of the fight that caught Byakuya off guard. However, if Byakuya's sword hadn't broke, then yeah... Not much else to say on that...
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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2018, 11:02:47 PM »
Well, the main underlying problem is that I don't think Kubo expected to have to write so much more Bleach. You get the sense it could have gone either way after soul society, plot wise.

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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2018, 11:10:42 AM »
Some gravedigging here, but how do you feel about this now that we know the explanation that 'Kenpachi was holding himself back because of his trauma from defeating Unohana' ?

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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2018, 03:57:17 PM »
I came to say kenpachi is my favorite character of all time, but as the fight with ichigo yea i could have easily beaten him but if you remember he did the same thing to the bald guy (cant spell his name) his captain when they first meet (well he beat the crap out of him but still let him live to come back stronger for a better fight. I think he was grooming ichigo and figured that if he killed him then it would be a waste so his only option was to fake his defeat

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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2018, 05:14:26 PM »
I forgot about Ikaku. Was that in the manga as well? I think that was an anime-only flashback.

Anyways it's double interesting that Kenpachi lost against Ichigo because Ikaku also refused to reveal his bankai for similar reasons. Also Yumichika hid his shikai because of pride. It seems the entire Squad 11 restricts itself more than people think for the sake of a good fight - The Captain because he wants to enjoy battle. Ikaku because he want's to be under Kenpachi and Yumichika because he want's to be part of the group.

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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2019, 07:00:57 PM »
I never knew about that Kenpachi bit. I guess when you apply that fact then Ichigo's win makes a bit more sense, but even still, a soul reaper of Kenpachi's level could very well still curb stomp a rookie like Ichigo while still holding back. For plot's sake I understand why it happened, but personally I can't get behind that possibility under a normal circumstance.
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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2019, 01:29:30 AM »
You do realize it's exactly what happened to Ichigo right? One shot stab. And that Kenpachi was dissapointed at first that he was so weak, and only Tensa Zangetsu stepping up helped even the playing field.

To be fair though Kenpachi is usually not so gentle when killing targets. He swats them away or one shots them ala Quincy invasion arc.

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Re: Who Really Should've won???
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 02:48:31 AM »
Who Really Should have won

Light  Vs Near

I personally didn't like that near took light down, I thought that he wasn't as good at what he does as what L was with light being able to constantly beat L and remain a step a head in their mental battle of wits I believe light should have been easily able to counter near better than what he did.