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Offline Canislupus54

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Question for manga artists.
« on: October 11, 2017, 07:16:18 PM »
Could you work with a script like this: http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,18680.0.html ?
Or do you need a panel-by-panel script? This isn't a request to actually do so, just asking if you could.
Asking because I recently posted for a co-writer and if my current script is sufficient, that would drastically reduce my need for one. The primary reason I posted was because I don't know how to write in a paneled manner and online tutorials aren't clicking.

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 07:25:34 PM »
I'm no artist, but looking at your script style, it's not bad, the only thing I would do is space out the different pieces just so it's easier to read because getting slammed with a wall of text in that manner can at best be sometimes hard to follow and at worst an eye sore.

To give you an example of what I mean.

Your original
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A large man resting a massive sword on his shoulder rounds the corner right in front of Tora and Loup. He’s wearing the Hunter uniform with the sleeves torn off. The two tense up. Loup puts his right hand on the hilt of his sword.
Loup: Who are you? We didn’t hear about any other Hunters in the area.
The man smirks.
Large man: Heh, looks like the bait hasn’t quite expired yet. You can call me Black.
Loup: Bait? Then the malbeasts…
Black: I lured them here. Well, I can’t take all the credit. In any case, I—
Tora’s right fist impacts Black’s face. Black goes flying backwards down the street and smashes into a disheveled storefront.
Tora: You bastard! You killed people! Shot of a dead woman. You killed kids! Shot of a bloody teddy bear. I won’t forgive you, no matter how much you beg for it!
Black stands and dusts himself off. His face splits into a manic smile and he starts laughing.
Black: Nice arm, boy! If you want to fight I’ll be happy to oblige.
Black swings his sword down on the ground one-handed. A wave of air pressure rushes at Tora, Tora’s eyes widen, but Loup pulls him out of the way.
Loup(whispering): I was going to grill him for information! Too late now. We’ll take him together.
Tora grins and nods. Suddenly, Black is right in front of them, swinging his sword down on Loup. Loup draws his sword and blocks, causing a large shockwave that tears apart the walls and street around them. Black and Loup lock swords.
Black: Good reflexes, kid!

How I'd suggest spacing it out.
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A large man resting a massive sword on his shoulder rounds the corner right in front of Tora and Loup. He’s wearing the Hunter uniform with the sleeves torn off. The two tense up. Loup puts his right hand on the hilt of his sword.

Loup: Who are you? We didn’t hear about any other Hunters in the area.

The man smirks.

Large man: Heh, looks like the bait hasn’t quite expired yet. You can call me Black.

Loup: Bait? Then the malbeasts…

Black: I lured them here. Well, I can’t take all the credit. In any case, I—

Tora’s right fist impacts Black’s face. Black goes flying backwards down the street and smashes into a disheveled storefront.

Tora: You bastard! You killed people! Shot of a dead woman. You killed kids! Shot of a bloody teddy bear. I won’t forgive you, no matter how much you beg for it!

Black stands and dusts himself off. His face splits into a manic smile and he starts laughing.

Black: Nice arm, boy! If you want to fight I’ll be happy to oblige.

Black swings his sword down on the ground one-handed. A wave of air pressure rushes at Tora, Tora’s eyes widen, but Loup pulls him out of the way.

Loup(whispering): I was going to grill him for information! Too late now. We’ll take him together.

Tora grins and nods. Suddenly, Black is right in front of them, swinging his sword down on Loup. Loup draws his sword and blocks, causing a large shockwave that tears apart the walls and street around them. Black and Loup lock swords.

Black: Good reflexes, kid!

Just do that and it makes it significantly easier to read, and hence it'll be easier for an artist to translate.

I hope this helps, and I wish you luck getting this made into a manga!

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 10:12:31 PM »
I'm no artist, but looking at your script style, it's not bad, the only thing I would do is space out the different pieces just so it's easier to read because getting slammed with a wall of text in that manner can at best be sometimes hard to follow and at worst an eye sore.

To give you an example of what I mean.

Your original
Spoiler
A large man resting a massive sword on his shoulder rounds the corner right in front of Tora and Loup. He’s wearing the Hunter uniform with the sleeves torn off. The two tense up. Loup puts his right hand on the hilt of his sword.
Loup: Who are you? We didn’t hear about any other Hunters in the area.
The man smirks.
Large man: Heh, looks like the bait hasn’t quite expired yet. You can call me Black.
Loup: Bait? Then the malbeasts…
Black: I lured them here. Well, I can’t take all the credit. In any case, I—
Tora’s right fist impacts Black’s face. Black goes flying backwards down the street and smashes into a disheveled storefront.
Tora: You bastard! You killed people! Shot of a dead woman. You killed kids! Shot of a bloody teddy bear. I won’t forgive you, no matter how much you beg for it!
Black stands and dusts himself off. His face splits into a manic smile and he starts laughing.
Black: Nice arm, boy! If you want to fight I’ll be happy to oblige.
Black swings his sword down on the ground one-handed. A wave of air pressure rushes at Tora, Tora’s eyes widen, but Loup pulls him out of the way.
Loup(whispering): I was going to grill him for information! Too late now. We’ll take him together.
Tora grins and nods. Suddenly, Black is right in front of them, swinging his sword down on Loup. Loup draws his sword and blocks, causing a large shockwave that tears apart the walls and street around them. Black and Loup lock swords.
Black: Good reflexes, kid!

How I'd suggest spacing it out.
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A large man resting a massive sword on his shoulder rounds the corner right in front of Tora and Loup. He’s wearing the Hunter uniform with the sleeves torn off. The two tense up. Loup puts his right hand on the hilt of his sword.

Loup: Who are you? We didn’t hear about any other Hunters in the area.

The man smirks.

Large man: Heh, looks like the bait hasn’t quite expired yet. You can call me Black.

Loup: Bait? Then the malbeasts…

Black: I lured them here. Well, I can’t take all the credit. In any case, I—

Tora’s right fist impacts Black’s face. Black goes flying backwards down the street and smashes into a disheveled storefront.

Tora: You bastard! You killed people! Shot of a dead woman. You killed kids! Shot of a bloody teddy bear. I won’t forgive you, no matter how much you beg for it!

Black stands and dusts himself off. His face splits into a manic smile and he starts laughing.

Black: Nice arm, boy! If you want to fight I’ll be happy to oblige.

Black swings his sword down on the ground one-handed. A wave of air pressure rushes at Tora, Tora’s eyes widen, but Loup pulls him out of the way.

Loup(whispering): I was going to grill him for information! Too late now. We’ll take him together.

Tora grins and nods. Suddenly, Black is right in front of them, swinging his sword down on Loup. Loup draws his sword and blocks, causing a large shockwave that tears apart the walls and street around them. Black and Loup lock swords.

Black: Good reflexes, kid!

Just do that and it makes it significantly easier to read, and hence it'll be easier for an artist to translate.

I hope this helps, and I wish you luck getting this made into a manga!

Thanks, that helps.

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 10:21:55 PM »
Every artist has their own needs and ways to express details into a visual appearance. For example, when I draw out pages, I use a system like this:

Chapter: (This is usually centred and bolded; Only mention once)
Page: (What page this will be on)
Panel #: (What panel this work will focus on)
Panel Shape/Size: (The shape and size of the panel)
Setting: (This is tell about the background of the panel)
Character(s): (Who will be involved in the panel)
Character's Position/Action: (How the characters are placed, or what the characters are doing in the panel)
Character's Emotions: (What emotions are the character feeling/expressing)
Character Placement or Camera Angle/Zoom: (How do we see the characters/settings/situation)
Effects: (What kind of effects will be involved)
SFX: (what kind of noises will be involved)
Character's Dialogue : (What the character(s) will say/think in the panel)
Other: (Anything else that isn't mention, like colouring, term explanation, characters clothing, etc.)

In the end it looks something like this:

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Chapter 11

Page: 3
Panel #: 5
Panel Shape/Size: Square; medium. Enough for 2 characters to be viewed from head to hip.
Setting: Blank; White Background
Character(s): Jon Dough, Alice Dough
Character's Position/Action:
* Jon is sitting at the table and eating a candy bar with his right hand; left arm is on the table and bent; legs slightly spread open.
* Alice is talking to Jon while eating her salad; she eats with a fork in her left hand; her right hand placed under her chin; her legs are crossed.

Character's Emotions:
Jon - Happy
Alice - happy

Character Placement or Camera Angle/Zoom:
*Characters are seen from their sides from head to waist; Jon is seen from his left, Alice is seen from her right.

Effects: N/A
SFX: Jon munching on his candy bar

Character's Dialogue:

Alice: "You know, I was thinking about what you said yesterday."

Other: Characters are wearing their school uniforms.

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 11:10:41 PM »
Every artist has their own needs and ways to express details into a visual appearance. For example, when I draw out pages, I use a system like this:

Chapter: (This is usually centred and bolded; Only mention once)
Page: (What page this will be on)
Panel #: (What panel this work will focus on)
Panel Shape/Size: (The shape and size of the panel)
Setting: (This is tell about the background of the panel)
Character(s): (Who will be involved in the panel)
Character's Position/Action: (How the characters are placed, or what the characters are doing in the panel)
Character's Emotions: (What emotions are the character feeling/expressing)
Character Placement or Camera Angle/Zoom: (How do we see the characters/settings/situation)
Effects: (What kind of effects will be involved)
SFX: (what kind of noises will be involved)
Character's Dialogue : (What the character(s) will say/think in the panel)
Other: (Anything else that isn't mention, like colouring, term explanation, characters clothing, etc.)

In the end it looks something like this:

Spoiler
Chapter 11

Page: 3
Panel #: 5
Panel Shape/Size: Square; medium. Enough for 2 characters to be viewed from head to hip.
Setting: Blank; White Background
Character(s): Jon Dough, Alice Dough
Character's Position/Action:
* Jon is sitting at the table and eating a candy bar with his right hand; left arm is on the table and bent; legs slightly spread open.
* Alice is talking to Jon while eating her salad; she eats with a fork in her left hand; her right hand placed under her chin; her legs are crossed.

Character's Emotions:
Jon - Happy
Alice - happy

Character Placement or Camera Angle/Zoom:
*Characters are seen from their sides from head to waist; Jon is seen from his left, Alice is seen from her right.

Effects: N/A
SFX: Jon munching on his candy bar

Character's Dialogue:

Alice: "You know, I was thinking about what you said yesterday."

Other: Characters are wearing their school uniforms.

I see. So, do you think it would be a good idea to recruit an artist and see what they want? Or should I just get really detailed, like your system, to be safe?

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 11:26:22 PM »
Well, recruiting an artist here is difficult. It's not impossible, but the odds are not great. I would first suggest you create and work on your profile as a writer so if an artist is interested, you can lead them to your previous works to show your work commitment.

A good way to attract an artist is a story that grabs their interest. But the best way to attract an artist is seeing the writer's commitment to finish their stories.

As for your question; when you do partner up with an artist, ask and plan out details to help communicate clearly when creating a manga, doujin, etc.. If you want to ask and use my example to share details with the artist, that's fine. Whatever helps you out, that's what we are here for in MR. :thumbsup:

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 11:40:33 PM »
Thanks for the advice. I think I'll post for an artist while also continuing my writing. Thanks again.

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 06:35:06 AM »
If I may add my own opinion, an artist CAN work with probably anything they are given, but the less you give them, and the less details you specify, the more it will look like their own work, and possibly less like what you imagined. the advantage of giving more details therefore, is that you get what you want, and if you are paying an artist, you get what you pay for.

and as has been commented already, a specific artist may want a certain format or level of detail, which they will tell you when you inquire. so its up to them whether they will take your script as-is or not.

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2017, 06:46:36 PM »
I actually recently had an artist tell me they specifically didn't want a script panel by panel. They then disappeared, though, so I'm not sure how to take that.

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Re: Question for manga artists.
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 10:21:54 PM »
If you are going to collab with a total stranger then there is a over 75% chance the artist vanish before you half way through the project. If you hire an artist they will do it regardless how you present your script. Money is a very big motivation point.

If you want a good artist to work with you for free then it will take time. Because good artists who willing to collab are not easy to find. If they are that good then they would have their own Manga they are working on or they are doing paid commissions so no time for free stuff. If you find a good artist by any chance next problem is team work. Working as a team is not exactly a that many has. I have seen many good project collapse here because they can't work as a team together.

Another important thing to remember is when you do a collaboration You won't be the solo owner the result, Manga or comic or whatever it is. You only own part of it and the artist will have an equal share just like you. This is something many can't understand.

If you are writer who want to do an collab then need to do bulk of project management. You need to break your project into small parts and assign your team mates to these parts after explaining them what she/he has to do. This way if someone can't complete his/her part of a team mate vanishes then you can replace them with someone else and start from where it's stopped rather than do it from begin.

Im just saying these because often what we see/think the problem is not exactly what it is.