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Author Topic: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)  (Read 923 times)

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2017, 01:20:40 AM »
1. The Intro Topic has been, for the most part, a recommendation. You could simply engage with the community for some time, most likely passing the 20-post mark easily, and be in the green. This would be a dramatic change to require new users to post Introductions as their first post, and doesn't really deal with the core problem of people not following rules and guidelines... that and people don't typically devote their whole spew on introductions to begin with. I certainly didn't.  :sure:

2. It's pretty much a given that you must create your own topic regarding your work and not leave links to other sites (There's an exception to those who meet the post limit). That part has pretty much already been implemented via administrative description. I'm... not quite sure how you plan to take that part to a programming level.  :-\

3. This is about the only part that people have problems with... on a regular basis. The only thing I'd add would be to leave a message notifying the user of the pending approval and the reason for such. Other than that, it should be fine.

Regarding the time rule, that might be a bad idea overall, considering the options of either automating it or doing it manually. Automation means locking people out of their own topic after they've come back for a while, leading to anger and complaints and possibly more headaches to deal with. It's a gray area on what's acceptable time and what's not. Manual means keeping track of dozens, if not hundreds of users at a time, which would put a heavy burden on the mods to keep tabs on (Not that I care as a non-mod member  :sure: )

On another note... The Artist Request Board is by far the only board that has been a consistent pain-in-the-bum to deal with, for everyone involved. :glare: We all know how it's like: new guy wants an artist to make their stories come to life, and posts a tiny request seeing if anyone is up to it. Only to realize that "No, MangaRaiders does not have artists on-standby." Some ad-artists come by and leave links to their work and can also be a pain sometimes, but those are by far few in-between compared to the "Art-Beggers" as I doth call them.

Thinking back on my own self, who joined this forum some couple years ago... I initially came here with the intention of creating something tangible with whatever work I had in mind. That's the impression I got back then, and I'm certain many others will also get that impression the first time they join. With that in mind, we have to be clear to new members what are the standards and what is expected of them in the forum. People sometimes make mistakes.... I get that. I make mistakes too, and I shouldn't expect people to understand how the forum works on the first day. Regarding repeat offenders... I have no sympathy for utter incompetence, but the first mistake should never have to be the last mistake.

To be honest, I do not believe there will be a one-hit solution to this problem anytime soon. We can only hope to quell the symptoms, but the flu won't go away entirely. We longtime members feel obligated to help others, but in the end, we must recognize we are not representatives of the forum itself. We are only its collaborators. Let those who represent the forum: The Admin, the Moderators, deal with forum issues, as it is expected of representatives of the forum to do so. We cannot act like moderators when we officially aren't, so we have to step aside and let the mods do their hard-working jobs of keeping this forum organized.
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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2017, 01:21:41 AM »
i sort of rambled on the time limit thing
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the best bet is to clear them all out after a year or 6 months, 3 months?, something like that, that sounds not as bad, cause you have people going on vacation for months at time and they rather have the time to enjoy the vacation instead of having to be glued to a computer to make sure their *censored* dont get deleted (not just that but if they traveled during their vacation that could make them forget to clock in), then you have members who have kids and full-time jobs and that fills up some time, then you have people like me whos going to be moving pretty soon and will possibly be without internet for atleast a couple of week, that or we'll have another 20 hour blackout with another 3 days before they fix the cable connection (our internet runs threw cable), someone could end up being admitted to the hospital where there is no internet (or you have to pay daily for it, like the phone and tv... usually ppl dont bother)(thought came from a recent accident where 2 youtubers got hit by a truck, the one got to leave after 6 days, the others been there for a month, just finally went home yesterday) or hell, theres been a lot of flooding going on, then you had things like Fort Mcmurray. some times the user cant come back for a bit and it isnt their fault

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2017, 04:06:17 PM »
But have we considered getting rid of the artist request board entirely? I know it sounds really out there, but let me explain.

If we get rid of it, that forces new users to go somewhere else, and if it were me, I'd start browsing around galleries and asking artists personally if they'd like to work with me, and if I were then told to share a sample of my writing, I'd probably be eager to make it happen. However, if I find that the artist isn't a no-pay and I'm broke, I'll look to other sources.

Even so, as annoying as it may be for artists who would probably get harassed and begged to work with, it would eliminate at least some of those "dead posts".

I'll be the first to admit that this isn't a perfect solution either. No matter how this falls, it puts a lot on our mods.
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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2017, 04:32:38 PM »
i wouldnt say get rid of the artist wanted board, but at the same time, could delete it and create an "artists for hire" board which does involve the 20 posts and a gallery on the forum, so instead of "i need" you'll see more "im willing to work"... but honestly im looped out right now and might be speaking gibberish so i dont know

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2017, 04:44:48 PM »
Wouldn't it be better if the user, show a valuable story before he/she can enter the "artists wanted" and then they could have an access to a certain board looking approx like this

Name: Grimmjagger
Drawing genres preferences: Seinen, Ecchi
Age: 23
Requirements: Paid
Status: Already on a project

...and with that a quick heads up to the "rules" upstairs the "Artists presentations". Although it might cause less "on forum negociations" and get more "PM negotiations".


(and please could you also put up a "save draft" thing, I just lost a second attempt at doing a short story.)

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2017, 05:01:01 PM »
(and please could you also put up a "save draft" thing, I just lost a second attempt at doing a short story.)

You really shouldn't be doing everything in the Post Box...  :unsure: It's meant for posting, not for drafting work.

That should be done outside on a word doc, like microsoft or google.
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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2017, 08:37:46 PM »
But have we considered getting rid of the artist request board entirely? I know it sounds really out there, but let me explain.

If we get rid of it, that forces new users to go somewhere else, and if it were me, I'd start browsing around galleries and asking artists personally if they'd like to work with me, and if I were then told to share a sample of my writing, I'd probably be eager to make it happen. However, if I find that the artist isn't a no-pay and I'm broke, I'll look to other sources.

Even so, as annoying as it may be for artists who would probably get harassed and begged to work with, it would eliminate at least some of those "dead posts".

I'll be the first to admit that this isn't a perfect solution either. No matter how this falls, it puts a lot on our mods.

Yes, this would have all the artist hunters spamming peoples' threads with their offers/spamming their pms and a lot of the artists have their own projects to work on instead so... I think it's worse since you can't ignore unwanted posts that were made on your threads as easily as if they were separate.

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2017, 06:52:20 AM »
Well its good that there's some form of update coming soon that'll make some of the process automatic.

In my opinion the rules on the board are pretty solid already, plus the mods and admin team are pretty on it when it comes to posts that break said rules. Really the best thing to do is to simply ignore the posts that don't follow the rules and wait for the mods to do their thing.

Thay way when a one time poster checks back and wonders why they're having no activity on their posts, yet active and contributing members are receiving feedback and comments, the penny might drop.

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2017, 02:09:43 PM »
i think if rules are violated, mods should quote the rules again then lock the thread...

i noticed some of threads in the artist wanted board are just locked without any notice. perhaps the original poster is PMed the rules by a mod, but i for one tend to look at other people's threads as examples rather than reading the rules right off the bat.... literally pasting the rules everywhere could lessen the chance of people thinking the existing locked threads are fine examples.

the most recently locked thread in the board kinda hinted that previous threads that violated the rules were deleted. i didnt know of this before and i never noticed something like that lol but the future ones could be left locked with warnings in the thread for others to see

not sure if would that be helping the OP advertise though........? yikes

but as someone who is often blind to rules, i think you cannot understimate one's ability to not read rules


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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2017, 02:22:14 PM »
(and please could you also put up a "save draft" thing, I just lost a second attempt at doing a short story.)

You really shouldn't be doing everything in the Post Box...  :unsure: It's meant for posting, not for drafting work.

That should be done outside on a word doc, like microsoft or google.

I've started doing so.

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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2017, 02:32:21 PM »

the most recently locked thread in the board kinda hinted that previous threads that violated the rules were deleted. i didnt know of this before and i never noticed something like that lol but the future ones could be left locked with warnings in the thread for others to see

yeah i think that was one i responded to, but thats another thing, the Mods PM the OP to tell them its been taken down, now me going in and saying "you know, you posted this around 7 times now, all have been deleted" thats also a rule breaker cause you are apparently not allowed to comment on a post you wont take part in, like i can see not starting fights but at the same time people wont look at the PMs, half the time i forget its there, i got a comment deleted cause i was interested in the thing but at the same time the user was cutting out digital artists so i was trying to get them to change their mind,

thats another rule that needs work


not just that but even having the thread locked, they can still get an artist and *censored* off because of the PM system, so that doesnt help the cause at all
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Re: Extra Coding (regarding the 20 posts rule)
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2017, 09:24:31 PM »
yes! it was that one

it was very informative to me. i did not know of the rule where you can't reply if you don't have the intention of taking the job and i learned the mods PMed a warning to the OP as well :ohmy: only after seeing that thread i figured out a few of the rules. i have read the general and board specific rules but mainly since i'm a lurker (sorry) i skim them and might have missed that...

repeating the rules in the locked threads by a mod, i guess, could seriously set examples for the newcomers in the community (me being an example haha) even if the thread is deleted after a while, at least anyone who randomly browses would see how the rules are enforced for the most recent offenders

having the warnings happen behind the scenes seem not very effective. the OP could not even care and so the PMs end up being a waste of time. im not sure if posting all the rules someone broke for everyone to see is a form of public shaming or not though lol