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Author Topic: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)  (Read 88811 times)

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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1395 on: October 25, 2019, 04:42:16 PM »
I forgot to mention, I'd made a list about which one of your recleaned WIPs I liked. Here's the list now

57, 60 ,66, 72, 73, 87, 95, 97, 101, 109, 114, 116, 125, 129, 134, 138, 139, 143, 151, 153, 155, 158, 159, 161, 172, 175, 177, 178, 179, 189, 191-193, 196, 199, 200, 202, 204, 206, 207, 208-212, 217, 231, 232, 239-242, 301, 306, 311,312, 326, 328, 329-332, 337-340, 349-356, 358-362

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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1396 on: October 26, 2019, 01:16:57 PM »
thanks
subtle but important stuff is important :P
I have drawn figures in boxes on and off over the years but it's a seriously useful way to keep your guidelines in place. I'm thinking a 1000 figures in box regime is in order somewhere along the line.
and thanks for the favourite list. looking through them, you liked a very different bunch to the ones I liked. I tended towards the ones that were cute or accurate, but you've picked a lot of the diverse ideas ones.

I've upgraded my programs again and I've got lots of ideas in the bag, but I'm still working in the requests as a priority. I need to figure out how to draw them without getting super hyped about the quality, as that really takes it out of me. Second to that, I need to figure out how to improve my stamina to prevent myself wearing out. I'm thinking more frequent rests on the longer sessions.
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« Reply #1397 on: October 28, 2019, 05:08:15 PM »
So here's how my new method has been working out - I start a page with a theme, and then save it and continue it later until the page has filled up.
So I can pick up at any time and just do one sketch or copy and then put it back down again. It's been really useful for filling gaps.
To save on time spent actually saving the image when finished, I work at twice my normal zoom, so I have more canvas to work with, and the quality is basically still fine.

This is a compressed image but you can click to enlarge. the real image is 4000px wide haha
Took 75 minutes over several days to fill it up (I've also been working on pages of other themes like faces)


Since returning from my holiday though I've been starting to return to my ridiculously high powered and organised self, which I have not seen for many years. It might be a fluke, but it might not.
I'm also going to be on MR a lot less (yeah I know I said that already), so I'll stop talking now :P
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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1398 on: November 02, 2019, 08:10:32 AM »
Yessss high power mode

And haha that's a pretty cool idea having a theme per canvas. I'm definitely stealing it. It has the potential to let you study anything and not get bored of hyperfocusing on one thing. Smart stuff!

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« Reply #1399 on: November 02, 2019, 10:13:59 AM »
it has quite a few advantages, some of which I will mention in more detail once I gt the hang of it, but one is that you are more aware of what you are studying more or less of, so like if you fill up a page of clothes, but only half a page of hands, then you know you're not studying enough hands, that kinda thing.
The downside is that if you have too many themed canvasses, it might take forever to fill them all if you spread your work. I've got about 10 at the moment but I can definitely see it growing, which is a potential worry. again, it's something I'll figure out as i develop this workflow.

I'm also doing a complete 180 on what I said previously and processing all my WIPs, still in batch, but now I work a bit at a time each day, rather than one whole session. mixing it up with studies enables me to immediately apply what I have just copied or learned in the WIPs I am developing. Again, it's early days, so it'll be at least a month or two before I can evaluate the results, but at least I'm doing stuff. same with my requests, I'm trialing that as a bit-a-day style as well. it's a lot easier to get started when there's no expected output to psych you out.

my energy is a bit more balanced now but I still have a lot of high power motivated moments. until it becomes a habit though, it's a bit fragile. again early days.
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« Reply #1400 on: November 03, 2019, 02:29:47 AM »
Finished a page of manga faces copies.
Took over 2 hours to complete, over the last week or so.
I always use the same pen settings, but depending on mood my hand is heavier etc so you can see the bands of different styles that I have used haha

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« Reply #1401 on: November 03, 2019, 12:48:39 PM »
Fingers crossed that the trend continues on the motivation. I'm liking your 3/4 faces a lot more these days, suuper. You've really levelled up that aspect. Also love the variation of eyes. It's amazing how much they can change a characters' look.

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« Reply #1402 on: November 03, 2019, 04:20:46 PM »
thanks.
3/4 views have been a bit of a pain for as long as i can remember, but I've been doing photo studies a lot more lately as well to properly get what it should look like, so I can then apply a manga style to it, rather than learning a manga style without understanding the fundamentals.
And yes, especially with the typical large eyes in manga, eyes do have a big impact on the overall face of the character. Looking through many artists work I see a similarity in how they draw eyes between pieces, but often they still use a wide variety of shapes and sizes, so it's a bit difficult to pin down what exactly makes it their style,as opposed to a change because it's a different character they are drawing.
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Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
« Reply #1403 on: November 03, 2019, 06:27:25 PM »
Photostudies make the world go round. I will do more of those when I bracket out more time for sketching outside.

The mystery of what makes eyes eyes in anime manga is a deep one. Tell me if you find anything about it haha

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« Reply #1404 on: November 06, 2019, 04:00:06 AM »
yeah I think really I should be doing way more photostudies than I am doing.
But my schedule has changed lately which enables me to draw every day which is nice.
I'm waking up at 5am now so I can draw for at least 2 hours consistently without risk of disruption because of family wanting stuff and so on. Plus I'm at a higher energy level being rested for the night. So I have to get an early sleep at 9pm, but it's overall more productive and I feel like I have a lot more self esteem for some reason.

Finished a batch of 20 sketches


The amount of information and level of quality in my sketches has changed a lot, and there are also levels of accuracy  and detail that I try and aim at for each level. Too high a level early on and it wastes time, but too low and the end image will be sub-par.
I've separated my "sketch" level into "concept" and "finished", because there's a difference between having a complete idea but not fully visualised and having a scrappy idea that needs more designing. One uses creative power and the other uses imaginative power, so I'm splitting them up to keep the flow in my head. I almost did that already but now it's made its way into my WIP processing and folder sorting.
So now the order/levels of my art are: Thumbnail>Concept>Finished>Resolved>Inked>Coloured
Strictly speaking the thumbnail stage is a bit of a miscellaneous one as I sometimes thumbnail all the way up to the finished sketch. often the concept comes first with pretty raw accuracy, and then the thumbnail for balancing as the first stage of finishing the sketch.


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It seems as my art is improving I'm adding more levels to my processing, and I can already sense 2 more levels in the pipeline which is making me nervous because of a changing workload but also excited to get a higher quality art.
I'm literally overthinking every step I make.

And while I'm at it, another annoying thing is that often I put in a step to solve an issue I have with my art, like say fixing the anatomy, I call it a "fixing" stage, and it works well, but then I improve to the point that I don't need it anymore, and so the stage gets removed. It's a relatively minor inconvenience but I keep reorganizing my work which is annoying and a little time consuming.

Also of annoyance is my massive amount of WIPs that I have. I mean, considering that I've basically accidentally never finished ANYTHING over the years and ended up with all these unfinished ideas, processing them is taking it's time, but it would be a tad easier if they were a bit more manageable quantity-wise. It makes it harder to do any other stuff while they are around, especially the old ones. But as my art improves I'm also able to add more details and improve the older sketches as well, so it's by no means a total waste of time at all. In fact, I think I'm lucky in a way to have reached the bizzare state that I'm in with my crazy overthought workflows and all the names I give stuff. It's been a crazy journey and it's totally just beginning.

Since I'm in a monologuing mood, I'll mention this other thing.
After watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM39qhXle4g I got thinking. The artist mentions that he was told that he draws cute girls way too much and so tried to produce a varied output until realising that he can draw whatever the heck he wants and if it's only cute girls then that's his choice.
First of all, that's not quite the same issue I have been facing, but it's similar - regarding what I expect of myself, and trying to live up to my own expectations.

I've been wondering for a while about producing a manga story as opposed to/in addition to illustration, and I'm really starting to think that it's just not for me, in that, I just really want to draw what I want to draw, I don't really want to do backgrounds or vehicles etc, just cute girls and chibis and stuff. So I'm definitely thinking that illustration is by far the better route for me. Don't get me wrong, I would love to do really cool old guys like what's-it from One Punch Man, and I love 3d work and vehicles and rendering, and even crafting and sewing real stuff too. But I don't think I want to do manga, like htere's just way too much everyday stuff going on like lampposts and windows and uniforms (i.e. if it's a school manga) over and over and over again, and really I want to be immensely creative and not limited by one world, universe, set of rules etc.

...But I still want to do manga.

I don't not want to do manga, you know. I like cool stories, and I read manga a lot more than I browse DA or any other image forum things. So I want to do my own, naturally. So I'm in a bit of a strange place of being interested in way too many avenues for my own good, and not really chasing down any of them. Jack-of-all-trades issue aside, I'm wondering if doing a lot of different one-shots is probably more up my street. A 2/3 week-long project or something, a completely new setup, new environment and story, that kind of thing, until I find a genre that I really want to do a longer story. That's what I'm getting to next. I think it's more that I just haven't found a genre or style that I would be happy working with as a manga. I like cute 4-koma mangas, and I love the gritty Ajin style mangas, and I'm clueless as to my own style. So maybe it's not that I don't want to do a manga, it's just I dont know how to combine all the things I like drawing, with none of teh things I don't like drawing, to form the ideal manga story for me. This isn't the kind of "perfect story" that people chase after, but more of the challenge, of being able to create a style or styles that I'm happy working with. It's a hobby (at the moment) after all, and even when I'm pro I don't think I want to draw stuff that I dont like. Maybe if I rotate working with a normal story, with my illustrations, with cool one-shots, that it wont feel so tedious. maybe that's the answer I was looking for. Maybe I'm looking for a casual speedy style where I dont have time to feel tedium when I'm churning out pages. Maybe I just want to draw steampunk.

Well typing that out helped me to narrow down the problem a bit and clear the air, but really it's a future problem. I'm still here with all my WIPs and want to gain some more skill before I try out new stuff. And I am gaining skill so basically I'm happy with my current progress and projected progress, but more just a bit wondering "What do I do when I finally finish all my WIPs"

Thanks for listening.
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« Reply #1405 on: November 11, 2019, 03:37:28 PM »
Forgot to post this.
A 90 minute page of copying manga clothes.
I wont be posting these all the time but just so you guys know what I'm up to every now and then XD



Something that I'm trying to get into is actually trying out new ideas immediately when I figure out something - hence the extra scribbles on the page in the middle. I'm totally shifting from my normal do-a-page-finished-done to a more continuous work-on-everything-at-once style haha but it seems to be working.

I currently have 24 open files that I am working on, including WIP processing. At the end of the year I'll evaluate whether it has been productive.

Oh and I finally learnt morse code lol
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« Reply #1406 on: November 11, 2019, 06:37:47 PM »
Dude you did not learn morse code. That deserves a topic on its own haha.

Also too awesome suuper! This big canvas thing is really working for you (btw plz make it high res so I can zoom in and feel inspired even better hehe. It pixellates unfortunately and I'd really like to see the singular images better if possible)

I can't believe this 'only' took 90 Minutes! That amount of concentration is commendeable in of itself to be honest, but I'm so bad at sticking to one thing that even as I write this I have two windows on display haha. I want to learn to do deep work like you.

Great stuff suuper. Keep at it!

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« Reply #1407 on: November 12, 2019, 02:27:28 PM »
@lego
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-.-- --- ..- / -.-. .- -. / -- .- -.- . / .- / - --- .--. .. -.-. / .. ..-. / -.-- --- ..- / .-- .- -. - / .... .- .... .-
When I use the photocopier at work I morse code whistle the content of the posters on the wall for practice
I shamelessly used this, great mnemonic method https://morse.withgoogle.com/learn/

Hmmmmm I'm a bit reluctant to upload a hi-res for that reason, as really you ought to be copying photos or manga yourself, not copy my copies - the detail loss must be huge. Just save any manga pages with cool costumes or really nice folds and then open up a slideshow and copy them. OR google photo something like white t-shirt or frilly dress etc. I've got quite a bunch saved up , and especially those of my favourite artists as I want to draw in their style.

When the work is split into lots of 10 minute sessions it really makes a difference to getting work done. And also I can keep an eye on which canvases haven't been edited in a while so I'm always rotating my studies without missing anything by accident. Which is really the sequel to my Artists RPG idea - the original concept was to make it easier to see what studies need doing or whatever.

needless to say I made a program to help haha
not all of my pages are loaded into the system yet, I'm slowly updating to the new method.



It keeps a track of how long each GIMP file is open for so I can also sort by time spent drawing, not just time last opened.
Also a spoiler for my hands regime haha tbc
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« Reply #1408 on: November 21, 2019, 06:52:23 AM »
Dude come on how many programs can a man make hahahahaha! My word I want to install one of them for fun in case they can help me somehow. Just legendary.

Also make iiiit. Even if I don't learn Morse code, I like learning about how to learn so I could use your methods there on something else I want to do.

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« Reply #1409 on: November 21, 2019, 07:36:21 AM »
haha I had a quick count and I currently have 25 apps that I use at least monthly if not daily, and over 25 more that will get used sometimes.
I've never counted before so i suddenly realise that that's actually a huge number XD
Unfortunately most are custom built to my exact needs so are almost completely unusable for someone else, lemme see if one is useful....
Here's my original timer I used for my art, let me know if it works on your PC as I never test much on other people's systems. It's main feature and the reason I made it is that it should stay above whatever program you are using, so it's quick to glance at to check your time.
It won't need installing as it's standalone.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fn6O0xeLb6fRkyWoZjP9oOV1NhElL-Nl
It's probably not useful tbh unless you micromanage your timing XD
I do have my gesture program which is on the list for a rebuild, at which point it should be public worthy haha.

the best method for learning lists of things is definitely mnemonics. It's great when someone already has created a list of mnemonics because that saves a lot of time and effort creating your own. I'm wondering if it can somehow help with art, but art is rather abstract and image based, not word or text based which is a tad annoying.
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