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Where Bleach should have ended?
« on: May 10, 2014, 10:54:33 PM »
I loved bleach for a very very long time - But after the final Aizen battle when Ichigo used his final Getsuga Tensho, I thought that's where it should have ended.
 I understand Kubo wanting to keep going, but at least for me, the fullbringers and the current shinigami vs quincy arc really isn't doing it for me.

I know the manga will end after this, but am I the only one who feels this way? Did you guys enjoy the fullbringers and the current war arc? I just feel like even kubo is running out of ideas.

The latest power ups - like with zabimaru's fake name, it's all seeming forced to me.

Do you guys feel the same?

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 11:40:55 PM »
!!!Controversial Opinion Incoming!!!!

Bleach should have ended the moment it was pitched, and Kubo should have just finished "Zombie Powder," which was a much better comic in the first place.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2014, 11:42:05 PM »
LOL I loved the header to that xD
I'm all for some controversy.

I have never read Zombie Powder by him, but I love his style so I think I may check it out. Did it ever get finished?

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2014, 04:59:57 AM »
Well its the curse of the epic shonen series. They can seem to run out of steam and coast for 20-30 chapters at a time before hitting their stride again. Unfortunately for us, that can translate into 4 or 5 months of reading material!  But they're all guilty of it, FT sagged considerably at the peak of it prev. Arc, the grand magic games and Naruto? Well that became such a mess about 50 chapters ago. I would guess the same for one piece,  I don't know having never watched it myself

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014, 05:13:37 AM »
I loved bleach for a very very long time - But after the final Aizen battle when Ichigo used his final Getsuga Tensho, I thought that's where it should have ended.
 I understand Kubo wanting to keep going, but at least for me, the fullbringers and the current shinigami vs quincy arc really isn't doing it for me.

I know the manga will end after this, but am I the only one who feels this way? Did you guys enjoy the fullbringers and the current war arc? I just feel like even kubo is running out of ideas.

The latest power ups - like with zabimaru's fake name, it's all seeming forced to me.

Do you guys feel the same?

I personally don't think it should've ended, just rewritten after it was finished. To me bleach is like fine art, though the weekly schedule forced it to trip and fall once in a while. I think kubo could rewrite it and just connect all the important stuff instead of endless filler.

!!!Controversial Opinion Incoming!!!!

Bleach should have ended the moment it was pitched, and Kubo should have just finished "Zombie Powder," which was a much better comic in the first place.

Apparently kubo put too much personal feelings into Zombie Powder and they decided to cancel it because of that. And bleach did end the moment it was pitched, many times, shonen jump refused to run it but kubo kept trying like a hero in a shonen manga and he was triumphant  :P

Well its the curse of the epic shonen series. They can seem to run out of steam and coast for 20-30 chapters at a time before hitting their stride again. Unfortunately for us, that can translate into 4 or 5 months of reading material!  But they're all guilty of it, FT sagged considerably at the peak of it prev. Arc, the grand magic games and Naruto? Well that became such a mess about 50 chapters ago. I would guess the same for one piece,  I don't know having never watched it myself

One Piece is pretty consistent imo, though the war arcs are usually very long they in turn end very well, a good build up :)

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 07:35:59 AM »
Bleach is the one long-running manga, out of the big 4, which I kinda don't understand why is so popular.

I think the art-work is brilliant, better than the other 3. But plotwise you get sooooooooo much less. I can't begin to explain how many times I've sat to read the new bleach chapter and thought, 3/4 of the way through, "Oh god, in 16 pages they've said about 10 words in total and 9/10 panels are images of sword slashes and speed lines..."

I actually really enjoyed reading the first couple of arcs. But the ideas behind them became very repetitive and the world of Bleach just isn't immersive enough to keep my interest and make me not care that it's just going to be a bunch of shinigami with different sword powers facing off individually against another group of enemies with their own set of powers. I am really into super power plots, but the story has to be more than "Aaaaaand once they finish beating this group up, ANOTHER group comes along to attempt to do the exact same thing..."

I do understand though that fans' love for the manga comes more from the characters than it does the story, but for me I just enjoy Naruto and One Piece and Fairy Tail so much more.

I thought that on beating Aizen it was the perfect time to stop. The only problem is, with so little actual content in all the chapters, I feel so little of the story has been told. If most of the sword slash panels were turned into Gamaran style explanations of the fights that were going on (I know bleach isn't a technique based martial arts manga but i think there is some scope for that) I wouldn't get so bored looking at the pages, I wouldn't mind them showing EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER FIGHT THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL BATTLES, and the story up to now could have been half the chapters in length and I wouldn't be sitting here waiting for it to get on with things. The story now is, i'm sure, meant to elude to the story behind the quincy's and (without spoiling too much) a few of character backgrounds. But I don't feel in the last half a year or however long since this arc started at I have learned all that much. Again the story is very good at showing the characters get stronger, but it seems to forget that there is an underlying plot that has to progress at some point.

And unfortunately, while I'd like to say that it will end after this quincy arc, because of how little plot progression i feel there has actually been, i can see Kubo deciding to do another arc and feeling justified in doing so.

I'm sorry if i sound bitter. I have pretty strong opinions on Bleach because i find it so infuriating to watch a good concept not go anywhere. It also grates on me a little when people's perception of all manga and anime is based on Bleach, with it being so popular.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 09:04:32 AM »
Yeah, this is the final arc of bleach. It was stated at the beginning of the arc on the colour page.  kubo has stated it was the last arc as well.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2014, 09:38:29 AM »
Welp I think it's for the best. I just can't say they are ending on a high. Katekyo Hitman Reborn and Shaman King ended at the right time, can't say the same about this. Hopefully it'll put out something decent in the end though.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2014, 10:43:42 AM »
Yeah, although it's not perfect, I'm still interested and enjoy it enough to continue reading it. I think out of the big 4 Bleach is my personal favourite. I think the character development is the best out of it's peer's but that's just me. haha, It always divides opinion the Bleach/naruto/OP/FT debate :P

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2014, 11:35:52 AM »
Each to there own :) out of the big 4 it's between Naruto and One Piece for me

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2014, 11:42:06 AM »
@Vacant
I agree with everything you said( except for Bleach being better than Naruto) I do believe that Bleach could be better, but it's still interesting enough to contine reading.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2014, 11:56:19 AM »
I watched KHR and then went back and read the whole thing. Read it please, it adds so much and end very well. the shaman king anime is pretty good and fairly similar to the manga but i prefer the manga's ending.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 11:59:41 AM »
I'll definitely check out the manga, alot of my friends like it more than the show itself. I've seen t online just never read.

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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2014, 02:05:40 PM »
It should ended after "ichigo vs no4 (forget his name :/)" fight.
Everything after that was just dumb. Ichigo should of died or just lose his powers there.
And dont get me started about the no.0 crap that kubo did just to prevent zaraki and byakuya fighting Aizen.
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Re: Where Bleach should have ended?
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2014, 05:47:27 PM »
It should ended after "ichigo vs no4 (forget his name :/)" fight.
Everything after that was just dumb. Ichigo should of died or just lose his powers there.
And dont get me started about the no.0 crap that kubo did just to prevent zaraki and byakuya fighting Aizen.
Hmmmm interesting thought. I really thought the aizen battle after the arrancar had to happen - to wrap up the story. Everything after that to me just felt so forced. The story had ended - Kubo seems to just be trying to keep it alive with ichigo regaining his powers randomly and all.

@No1sey I agree - out of the big 4 it's my least favorite. Simply because of how quickly the story could have been summed up, but it was just stretched so long. The fights were very good, but I think otherwise it is lacking a little bit. Don't get me wrong though, I did enjoy the series - Up to a point.

@Vacant Interesting point. I'm just waiting for bleach to hit its stride again for me - and with this being the last arc, I don't see much happening. And when kenpachi cut through space and time i was like.....what

It just seemed to me that after the Aizen battle everything was wrapped up so nicely! Rukia was saved, so was Soul Society, and Ichigo lost his powers! Everything had seemed to come full circle.