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Messages - pumpkin13

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I don't think it would be a whole different thing though. For the most places it would be superficial changes, name changes etc. Instead of Hollows, Menos Grande, Arrancar etc it would be divided into castes or something. I would have more freedom with description too, rather than conforming to a Las Noches aesthetics (white minimalism). The most substantial changes as I said would be reworking the combat -> resurreccions etc.

I like the idea of toning down the cannibalism into a kind of life force eating...

Lengthwise I'm not sure... I guess I'll see when I start writing, see how easily I get into it. It probably won't be one of my longer ones. I think I get some ideas which are too big and overblown and don't have the patience to see them through, so I'm trying to work on short story concepts that I could maybe put into a unified anthology (like common themes or motifes or characters/places running through them).

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No I haven't started writing it. I'm one of those near-meticulous people that plans and plans and plans and only starts writing until they feel absolutely confident their plan is winning. =S

If I were to make it original non-fanfiction, how would you suggest I tackle the cannibalism issue? That's my main worry. I could make them humanoid aliens, or evolved human descendants on another planet or something? And the narrator would be an off-worlder or outsider... then I get worried that its straying in "John Carter of Mars" direction.

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Bleach Manga / Re: Bleach Manga Chapter Discussion
« on: April 04, 2012, 01:33:57 PM »
Okay, new chapters already out (487 I believe it is). I really think we can get some good discussion going on this, since a decent part of this site is geared towards planning and plotting story etc.

To me the recent arc, whilst having its merits (upped pacing for example), structurally feels so incoherent its really actually nagging me every time I go to read a new chapter.

Just for reference I'm primarily using Vogler's "The Writer's Journey: Mythic Structure for Writers" as my ref material. It's an analysis of and how to write archetypal heroic adventure and how to deploy and plot it as well as character archetypes.

I dunno, just from random out of the blue appearance of Ivan in Ichigo's room, to the wanton butchering of Ivan and the other Vandenreich member by the Emperor, his whole general introduction, Nell conveniently falling out of the sky right on top of Ichigo (that mechanic felt SO forced, Ichigo is bored, so he decides to go out on a random patrol, she falls on him). Urahara suddenly appearing as the one with the means to allow them to go to Hueco Mundo as well was contrived. Kubo even tries to (and fails) tongue in cheek make fun of how forced his character entrances are by having Ichigo comment on how Urahara's arrival seemed timed slightly TOO perfectly and Urahara jokes that he was waiting outside the window for the right moment. Characters have been appearing because the plot NEEDS them to appear in order for there to be any action, rather than because the prior plot and action has smoothly generated their arrival.

This newest chapter actually has a great example of how Kubo could have tweaked the on scene action just a little to make the finale of the chapter (yeah more character arrivals) that bit more coherent. But I won't go into that until more people have replied to the thread and read the chapter.

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Interestingly I did considor, why make it a fanfiction? It's so completely different from Bleach (also the actual tone would be a lot darker, much more seinen than shounen if applicable).  But I think i'd have trouble distancing it from it's origins. Maybe some more finer tweaking. Also having to then work into it justifications for powers and abilities and distancing those enough from espada ressurections and hollow abilities... It could be done though...

Interestingly as an aside I heard about this trilogy that's become a bit of a hit with suburban housewives in the US called "Fifty Shades of Grey". Its erotic literature but apparently it started off as a Twilight fanfic...

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Either set in an alternate universe or set so many hundreds/thousands of years prior to the canon that it may as well be AU.

Probably written in first person which is a bit of a departure for me.

Also predominantly character driven as opposed to plot driven, normally I develop characters around plots but this is definitely the other way round. I currently don't actually have a clearly defined narrative character, I'm certain it will develop though as the narrator reacts to what's around them.

The basic idea came from thinking about Hollows and Arrancar and their nature and what kind of society they would live in, if they somehow were brought together (in a non-Aizen context). It's an interesting difference between the cannibalistic chaos of the hollows, contrasted with what I envision as the sophisticated society of the far more humanised arrancars.

Ultimately I've come up with an idea that I'm terming a "Gladiocracy", a society that revolves entirely around arena fights and the combatants for not just survival but for power and prestige. Loss almost inevitably means death, whilst winning means you earn the right to devour your defeated opponent and grow in power. You might become prestigious enough to earn the favour of the crowd.

The goal of every hollow/menos in this stage is of course to join the ranks of the Masquada, basically the aristocratic tier of society populated exclusively by arrancar, through removing their masks. One might gain the favour of a member of the Camarilla (Numeros) and be sponsored by them, brought into high society, taught the ropes, given access to proper chambers, training rooms, attend parties. The equivalent of the Espada are called La Cresciente (the crescent, in reference to the perma-crescent moon that dominates the Hueco Mundo sky).

I guess the plot is at its most basic charting the rise and fall of the narrator, through society and socio-political intrigue, arrancars naturally constantly vying for power and status and their nature being backstabbing and looking out for themselves.

I really like the idea an aristocratic high society underpinned by the grimness of a purely cannibalistic race.

I was toying with the idea of the narrator being a captured shinigami who witnesses both the barbarity and animosity of their cannibalism and the juxtopositional high society, but I'm not convinced by that idea. Besides, current working title is "I, Arrancar."

Thoughts?

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Develop Your Story / Re: Need some help developing a manga plot?
« on: April 03, 2012, 07:23:52 PM »
Likewise I only read a small bit of it, but I could tell it was pretty well thought through. I was a bit worried at first that your main character was generally going to be a douche and the readers would just be switched off by that, but the introduction of the new small girl to the camp was timed almost perfectly (in terms of within your summary).

Celesticon is a bit of a mouthful, (not a fan of the "con" ending, celestions maybe though). Seeing as they're predominantly used as slaves for generating power, maybe there's a pejorative term that has become commonplace in your world. Right off the top of my head "Cells" comes to mind, which plays off "power cells" as in that's exactly what the Higher Ups use them for, or cells is just a standard non-insulting shortened term of them and "batteries" is the pejorative.

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Bleach Manga / Re: Bleach Manga Chapter Discussion
« on: February 07, 2012, 03:36:45 AM »
that...quote is rather messy.

It's originally just the japanese characters which some one has translated and someone else has evidently copied and pasted it but the characters haven't come up on their system, then that's been circulated. Ohana just puts up quick summary of them in japanese, so a quick shorthand summary in japanese getting translated into english/engrish can look messy =P

Yeah, I was a little bemused by the idea of there being some sort of secret and underlying meaning strung through all the colour double pages...

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Bleach Manga / Re: Bleach Manga Chapter Discussion
« on: February 05, 2012, 05:09:23 PM »
Where do you even hear this news? It'd be great to know where for sure.

One of the many source posts from over at Bleach Exile where I came here from.

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Mayuri changed his hairstyle.

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Ukitake & vice-captain Rukia.
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The deep bond between Isshin and Ryuuken.
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Aizen who hated to obey ‘that’ and Urahara who decided to pull back from the existence of ‘that’:
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The Spirit King itself

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The 0 Division

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The relationship between Urahara and Yoruichi.
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Hiyori’s life/fate

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Bleach Manga / Re: Bleach Manga Chapter Discussion
« on: February 05, 2012, 02:03:42 PM »
LOTS of news out regarding Bleach and Kubo's plans for the upcoming arc, which is supposedly the final one (baring in mind Kubo has stated as far as he is concerned, there have only been two arcs so far, the Soul Society one and the Arrancar Arc which went from Ulquiorra and Yammi's arrival in the real world right up to Aizen being killed).

He has stated the next arc will shed light on the following things:

1. The mystery surrounding Ichigo's birth. This could be connected to the arrancars talking about "True Blood" and it seems from some of Kubo's comments that the similarity in appearance with Shiba Kaien, Rukia's former mentor, wasn't merely coincidence.
2. Sort of connected, Isshin's back story and his relationship with Ishida Ryuken.
3. Just who or what is the Soul King?
4. ZERO DIVISION/ ROYAL GUARD.
5. The bodies that Mayuri found in Szayal's secret laboratory.
6. Nell and apparently Grimmjow will be returning!? <waits for fangirl screams>
7. Apparently there is a Quincy Revival, and loads more quincy reappear, perhaps a second rebellion or something.

If this is the case, then Kubo still has plenty of opportunity to drag Bleach back from the brink for me. I'm looking forward to seeing how they all tie in,

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Develop Your Story / Re: Pumpkin's "Multiverse Origins" project
« on: January 10, 2012, 04:34:45 PM »
Yeah I will probably put in a "special branch" equivalent, although they will probably only play a part once war actually does break out between Sunderheim and Altheim.

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Develop Your Story / Re: Pumpkin's Other Projects
« on: December 28, 2011, 06:18:52 PM »
there's 14lbs in 1 stone, so 5 stone is 70lbs.

I don't think she genuinely does hate men, what I've picked up on is probably her cold feeling towards Urahara because she feels that through his actions, he "stole" Yoruichi away from her, or that Yoruichi chose rather to be with Urahara than her, and I think that to an extent filters down into her attitude towards most of the other male  characters.

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Develop Your Story / Re: Pumpkin's Other Projects
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:35:55 PM »
i can lucid dream yeah, or at least in partial, although oddly enough i did so far more regularly when i was much more overweight and living unhealthily than i do now.

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Develop Your Story / Re: Pumpkin's Other Projects
« on: December 27, 2011, 06:59:22 AM »
this mornings dream charted the invention of a time-travelling communications device by one of my friends, our subsequent meddling with the past, attracting the attention of a time travelling race of super-sentient psychic dinosaur aliens who sent a psychic static charge through time which reduced mankinds' intelligence which slowly devolved them to and restructured their evolution to be more in line with the dinosaur aliens, the construction of a machine race built by the dinosaurs who would police these new devolved humans, the seperation self discovery of a group of machines who realised they were the incarnation of mankind, found the ancient ruins of mankind and re-built mankind in a sort of time-stop animation 3D printing type way using nanotubes of carbon, in the meantime the other policing machines had developed into what we know as Terminators, eventually mankind constructing "the weapon" which could destroy these beings (looked suspiciously like a lightsaber), developing a martial arts (which led to awakening mankinds telekinetic abilities... "the force" no?) and constructing an interdimensional portal (stargates) through which a group of humans could travel, distracting and luring the machine race after them, leaving the rest of mankind to evolve as normal (explains Star Wars "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away"), the eventual return of aforementioned group when mankind is advanced enough, building starships, etc and the defeat of the machine race, all over the course of 45 billion years. Not bad for a mornings work whilst your asleep eh?

Forgot to mention the telling of those 45billion years was all retold symbolically through the medium of interpretive movement and pastiches by my Sixth Form drama group and a few other select persons occasionally intercut with montages of it actually happening. Amongst other things it also explained (in typical dream logic - i.e. once your awake it doesn't make much sense) how and why humans act the way we do, how relationships and sex were "discovered" and developed over time, as well as a whole multitude of other emotions and processes that I can't remember.

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Develop Your Story / Re: Pumpkin's Other Projects
« on: December 26, 2011, 06:00:03 PM »
I have been overweight for a long long time, since before puberty, and as I grew older that affected my energy levels (such a large bulk put a strain on my energy intake, combined with a sugary carb and fat filled diet). It wouldn't be too far from the truth to say I slept through my last two years at school. The unhealthy lifestyle continued into University. I slept so much, and dreamt so much. I developed the ability to pick up a dream where it had left off if I happened to stir in my sleep half way through. Dreams even started interconnecting. For example I would see something unfold from afar, with the details of exactly what happened obscured. The next night I would find myself in the run up to the situation that occurred, and, knowing the vague outcome, such as a bomb going off, would try to prevent it only to discover it was my efforts in trying to prevent it which made sure it happened after all.

I've lost 5stone of weight since my second year of uni, still about 2.5 stone off my target weight, but the dreaming is still going strong!

Sometimes the dreams are frustratingly complex though, to the extent that there's no possible way I could note down EVERYTHING in a dream diary when i wake up.

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Develop Your Story / Re: Pumpkin's Other Projects
« on: December 26, 2011, 05:37:14 PM »
That last one came from the dream I had last night, a team from the future had found a form of timetravel, using dreams to communicate with people in the past, so basically i was being trained for a series of encounters that i would have to get exactly perfect each time (battles/encounters with this secret pen-throwing order) and I would make a mistake but each time I did the scenario I got it a little bit more perfect. And of course they knew exactly what would happen each time cus to them in the future it had already happened. Was pretty cool.

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