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Title: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on November 29, 2012, 05:37:04 PM
i realised one of the pages i drew wasnt manga and wondered where i post it, and here seemed the best place. sorry if i'm wrong but i think im right :P
just a bit of perspective exercise, as i get close to starting my manga, i need to work on drawing buildings, basically other background objects. this is the first few drawings of perspective i have done since school like 5 years ago (wow thats a long time :P )

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-2.jpg)

i think i will draw a lot more stuff, like buildings, weapons, wehicles and stuff, so keep tuned as well
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 17, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
also realised that i actually want to get good at drawing other suff as well, not just manga. portrait kind of stuff, so here are some copies of photos i happened to have on my laptop (of myself)
the bottom self portrait is a bit confusing cos i shaded it a bit too much , i am 19, not 90 like in the picture, white but have afro hair :P oh and i look nothing like the picture :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps63a46942.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps70be77c8.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zpsa3e7cbb5.jpg)

oh and drawing with a ballpoint pen is a pain when it comes to complex shading, gotta learn to shade better (notice i didnt say gotta use pencils or something)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: Ryan on December 17, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
Shading with a pen is basically crosshatching. If you want to learn that, go through this thread: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?117915-Guidelines
It's through crosshatching that you show variations in tone and texture. I often do crosshatching with my pencil, as well.
Anyway's it's cool that you want to do some traditional art. If you ever need any advice/guidance in life drawing you can ask me anything.
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2012, 07:04:21 AM
thanks ryan i always find your tips useful. normally i do shade crosshach, but its would be closer to say i wasnt sure how to shade it in the first place, like i didnt know what i wanted (i suppose that means i dont know how to do it...). i will take a look at the link and see if i learn anything from it.

well part of the reason of me wanting to do more realistic art is i feel that will help me progress faster to be able to draw manga, as if i can draw realistically well, then i can easily simplify it down. i hope :P

EDIT: the link proved very useful, i have learned a lot from it. hopefully this will show in my next drawings i hope.
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2012, 04:53:45 PM
well ryan i tried my best at some of the shading things with hatching and i think i did okish. do need a bit more practise at basic control.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zps46b966cb.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-3_zpsaa25e5dc.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 20, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
another self portrait

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsd2da4c1c.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: Ryan on December 20, 2012, 05:05:42 PM
Make sure you do your self portraits in the mirror
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 20, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
a mirror is difficult on two accounts,
1-its a pain to actually have it so i can see myself where i draw (difficulty in set up)
2-when you see something, you see it in 3d, and to have the mirror close enough so i can see myself creates too much error making 3d into a flat drawing. i'm not too good at closing one eye either if i only want to see 2d

i do understand that no.2 isnt really a reason its more of an excuse.
i know its a good idea, its just not at the moment.

actually, ryan, why is that better than working from a photo? now that i think about it nothing comes to mind.
i draw from my laptop screen so i can enlarge it nicely.
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 25, 2012, 11:00:58 AM
wow havnt drawn for nearly a week, well heres everything i managed to draw in about one and a half hours just now :P
obviously because of the speed i drew them the accuracy has gone down, but it was fun to draw :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps068ffc8c.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps6b662080.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zpsc758562a.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zpse9bc75b5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-3_zpsb1329f26.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-3_zps83c7f489.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0007-2_zps4c75aade.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on December 30, 2012, 04:40:29 PM
self portrait from memory and a bit of imagination. using my tablet :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Untitled_zps1363686a.png)

plus a muscle thingy

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/1_zpsd01b6cd3.png)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on January 08, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
latest, the focus not being on the face (just drawn the face on because it was there)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps17e3f32e.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps56850204.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on February 28, 2013, 11:36:21 AM
challenged myself to draw a machine

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps9a567b7b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: Jamie on May 31, 2013, 08:32:56 AM
Damn that looks complex. Nice job.
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on June 01, 2013, 02:41:11 PM
thanks :P
i was inspired by a friends drawing of something similar :P
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: David2302 on July 25, 2013, 08:31:01 AM
Waw amazing i really like it :D
its really hard to draw a realistic man. good job with the drawings!  :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on August 12, 2013, 05:47:11 AM
thanks, i used myself as reference :P
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on September 17, 2013, 02:19:40 PM
probably gonna be posting here more than my manga topic for a bit

maze plan for a school project (the line itself is the maze, get from the outside dot to the center one :P)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004_zps286ee13e.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005_zps5316bdd1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002_zps048d6be2.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003_zpsd823e298.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on September 25, 2013, 01:22:15 PM
latest stuff

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0051_zps650b2603.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/SANY0051_zps650b2603.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0050_zps3f5079d5.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/SANY0050_zps3f5079d5.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0048_zps391074de.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/SANY0048_zps391074de.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0049_zps996b8a3f.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/SANY0049_zps996b8a3f.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0052_zps4db7cb29.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/SANY0052_zps4db7cb29.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0053_zps08a74e8c.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/SANY0053_zps08a74e8c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: suuper-san on July 29, 2018, 04:51:54 PM
Gonna be more active in this thread now as I'll try and separate manga art from "art" art.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/42816909335_0bc3954387_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28ezRqK) (https://flic.kr/p/28ezRqK)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/850/43004488564_ebb6313afd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28wafco) (https://flic.kr/p/28wafco)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: Coryn on July 29, 2018, 05:01:43 PM
"Ah yes, and here we can see the evolution of the beard. See how it slowly takes on the form we know today."
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 29, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
I can dig it. I'm surprised I didn't see this before, and I recognize some of the exercises up there with perspective and whatnot. I too like working in ballpoint pens.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2018, 01:44:03 AM
@coryn lol

@mahlua its a pretty old topic that I kinda forgot about really. most of us just post everything in the one manga art topic, but I wanted to separate it out in view of the volume that I'm producing.

ballpoint pens are great, even cheap ones can get great effects and I almost prefer them as you can sketch much lighter than an expensive one in which the ink always flows well. I don't do it as much as before thanks to digital, but I still think I prefer it when it goes well.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 30, 2018, 11:37:18 AM
Ballpoint pens and mechanical pencils are honestly some of my favorite tools to use, especially since when "back to school" sales start happening you can buy them in super-bulk.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2018, 11:50:43 AM
I only EVER buy the cheap ones that are like 60p for 10. each one'll do about 50 pages of sketches, so £2.50 for a ream of 500 pages and I'm good to go for the whole year :P
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on August 08, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
playing around with a bit of Mandellas since my tablet has a rotational symmetry tool

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1831/43021821995_20ff689194_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28xG5PD) (https://flic.kr/p/28xG5PD)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 08, 2018, 12:00:13 PM
Woah :ohmy: neat.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on August 08, 2018, 01:43:29 PM
everything looks good when you have lots of symmetry. most of these are random scribbles lol. I totally recommend having some fun with it. it would be great for making lacy kinda things maybe. or flowers definitely.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: Basic on August 09, 2018, 02:58:04 PM
everything looks good when you have lots of symmetry. most of these are random scribbles lol. I totally recommend having some fun with it. it would be great for making lacy kinda things maybe. or flowers definitely.

God you practice/doodle quite abit don't you! If it wasn't for the fact that I was going on hiatus to drill study I'd feel ashamed! Same words as on the other thread really keep this up pal. Only way is up for you
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on August 09, 2018, 05:43:22 PM
thanks!
I find it quite hard to "doodle", as I want to make structured logical pieces like people or buildings, so this is a good compromise. All the best for your hiatus drawing bonanza.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on August 15, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Those mandalas are pretty trippy, and great. I guess I now have a use for the stockpile of rulers and triangles I have.

You draw teeth really well man haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on August 16, 2018, 09:39:55 AM
thanks :)
It would be great if GIMP had symmetry drawing modes built in but they are only available in the beta version (or some sort of version) and I don't feeling like risking my art for a fancy feature that may or may not crash my PC :P
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on December 12, 2018, 03:57:35 PM
my 3D interest has been rekindled!
Well, it was never gone to begin with, I just needed to work on my drawing more. but after working with so many WIPs I'm starting to want some generic backgrounds that I can use for bringing my WIPs to life.

here's a warm up that took maybe 10 minutes. an unfinished bookcase. Was meant to be a library but I was too tired :P
gonna have to play around with some free rendering software to get it looking nice and real.
As always, speed is my focus.

also got to sort out my 3d work folder as it's a complete mess at the moment.

(https://i.imgur.com/vNgcRQO.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 27, 2019, 12:57:46 PM
starting to work on clothing now. way overdue, along with everything else of course :P
need to put more copies/studies on this thread, not in my manga thread, because, well, it's not manga :P

took 2 hours for all this. shading is way hard XD
mixed results but I'm totally starting at nearly zero for this kind of shading.
also I'm all over the place for values :P

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/k2Iv1ze.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PRNfsgM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/S3rgm4m.jpg)

edit: some face studies

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/oWkRgtd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7O8tTAA.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 28, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
some more face studies

(https://i.imgur.com/ozeBikR.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 01, 2019, 06:24:06 PM
more clothing shade studies. no idea for method so insanely mixed quality :P

(https://i.imgur.com/fi6BT0S.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 04, 2019, 05:19:21 PM
Finally got round to uploading a youtube video of the sketchup bedroom i did recently. i should really do more as its quite popular, several of my videos have 5k+ views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTbZPRJAg6Y
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: Aimyraude on February 04, 2019, 07:28:55 PM
Never thought sketchup was so quick actually you do nice stuff
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
some hand studies.
I'm using photos I took myself, of myself, for the most part because I can get the range and angles that I want to use more often in my drawings. A lot of hand references just don't quite fit what I need.
Need to take more prop interaction poses though.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/RnBD9UU.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/lqNy7Wo.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on February 07, 2019, 03:59:23 AM
Whoa dude how the heck!? Hahaha your rush is insanse. I can't believe you knocked 1,000 out of the park that fast. Your productivity increased quite a bit at the finish line. I always love that rush. It's a good moment and perfect balance to the doldrums of being in the middle.

I feel you 100% on the hand reference thing. It's frustrating as heck. Photographing your own hands is a legit and recommended method because some poses just never quite fit the way you want. I like the palm-out cuped ones the most and the 'Roman handshake' one.

Also, cloth material studies? Me gusta quite a bit.

Also we could always do with more 3d stuff from you, suuper. You're great at Sketchup. I can't imagine the pain of making so many books in a shelf though hahaha
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 08, 2019, 07:48:54 AM
haha yeah it's strange how I pushed through at the last minute. I really didn't want to stay on faces for any longer really, because while doing WIPs I'm thinking "how the heck do I do hands?" more and more.

most hand references are often taken by the person posing the hand, so there is often a lot of foreshortening and perspective issues as the camera is really close. I use a camera with remote shutter/timer, so I can zoom in from further away and get a more natural perspective on the hands, plus angles that I wouldn't be able to take with my other hand, including 2 hand shots.

yeah I'm thinking I'll do some "gestures" using Sketchup and copy some manga backgrounds. While my skill is technically there, I dont have much of a workflow, or creativity when it comes to backgrounds, so as with everything else, practice, practice, practice XD
Having the goal of Youtube tutorials/timelapses is nice as well.

the books were relatively easy though, I made one book first then copied it along a few, changed the width and copied a few etc. then randomly picked them and changed the height/depth, and repeated a few times.
Maybe that'll be my next tutorial as it's nice and easy. thanks for the idea :P

it is my strong belief that there is an insanely fast way to do almost anything (to a decent quality as well), and often until I find that super fast way, I don't spend much time doing it because I think that I'm wasting my time haha
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 08, 2019, 04:12:24 PM
just an old file in Sketchup, playing around with rendering a similar manga style to the previous one I made. I think it's quite reliable for a "generic background" style while I figure out how I'm going to work with them properly.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/A5WVORO.jpg)

and some copies from manga pages that I saved for background reference. I never thought I'd be 3d modelling them instead of drawing them when I saved them haha
took 15 minutes for each copy, which is insanely long compared to my normal gestures lol

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/H5G9X41.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JL8bUjX.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 10, 2019, 02:38:39 AM
some hand copies, mine again. probably need to do some finger studies first because I'm simplifying the hand too much when I draw.

(https://i.imgur.com/O9QoJM3.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 27, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
so it's not quite art but I've been playing around with the GIMP plugins and writing my own scripts. After a few hours of just looking blankly at the code (it's an unusual style of code), it finally clicked and I made a mini plugin to make a set of guides to make a grid.

(https://i.imgur.com/bjsObP2.png)

it's not so special and I wont ever use it, but for those who want to add functionality to their workflow it's the way to go. Other than writing new functions, you can write macros which combine several tasks into one button. In my case, amongst others, I want to do:

-enlarge selection by 1px
-fill with current colour
-select nothing
-select brush tool

which I do all the time for filling in eyelids without having to fill the outline in like it's a crayon colouring book.
so it's the next level for productivity.

for those who care, the code is crazy weird.

normally code generally looks this  in major languages:
x=(6+8)/10
pretty readable right?

whereas GIMP script-fu code looks something like this
 (set! x (/ (+ 6 8 ) 10))

just a different syntax, an accent if you will, but annoying all the same.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on March 08, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
I'm not dead
204/1000 hands

(https://i.imgur.com/qHZmQFC.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on April 16, 2019, 04:47:43 PM
278/1000
still cracking away slowly.
drawing 70 hands on a page makes 1000 feel like a short goal lol
(https://i.imgur.com/sTydj7E.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on April 19, 2019, 08:55:35 AM
also circles.
took 9 minutes for 400 circles. went back and forth and on each grey square I increased the zoom to practice different sizes. Partly the reason a drawing doesn't go right is because the guidelines are not right, and not being able to draw a perfect circle (or near enough) is certainly one of those problems.
also different sizes of circle require slightly different methods of drawing them.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/qiZLC65.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on April 30, 2019, 04:53:01 PM
clothes and shoes copies from photos and manga. I feel a tad more confident with shoes now but don't quote me on that.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/53JEX5V.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/gkcQk1b.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KJ4qliV.png)
Title: Re: The Rest of my Stuff
Post by: Yankee56 on May 18, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
another self portrait

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsd2da4c1c.jpg)
I must admit, you look like my real estate agent very much :D I hired him 7 months ago and he still couldn't find us a decent flat for sale on the French Riviera (https://tranio.com/france/cote_d_azur/apartments/), however he's a nice guy, I like him anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on May 18, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
haha hopefully you eventually found a nice place  :)
I can safely say that I have never been in real estate XD
welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on May 21, 2019, 05:04:17 PM
350/1000
some difficult poses are becoming easier

(https://i.imgur.com/YVi7pT9.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on June 16, 2019, 06:01:39 PM
I'm just about alive, nearly over my self pity stage haha
just copies this time round, after looking at photo reference and then at manga pages that I've saved it's quite clear that artists skimp on the detail/accuracy they put into hands. I suspect that's mostly because of deadlines and stuff, they can't put their very best into a shot when they have 20+ pages a week to churn out. Until I'm under the same sort of pressure I guess I won't know how that feels, but I hope that I can put my best into every panel, even if it is wishful thinking XD

(https://i.imgur.com/w2njvl5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ECrgwtK.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on June 18, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
It's amazing to see the sort of 'shorcuts' some manga take when you really focus on micro details. I call it effeciency haha.

From what I hear you were sort of in a rut. Glad to see you're chugging along and that it's getting better. Keep at it.

I never thought I'd say this but I miss the hand regimen. I knew exactly what I was supposed to be drawing and that was so straightforward for my drawing life like you have no idea haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on June 18, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
More like a ditch than a rut to be honest haha
Yeah I sort of hit an art hurdle at the same time as my life got a bit messy with redecorating so it made it hard to focus. I'm vaguely picking up more determination and focus but we'll see :P

Yeah I think artists have sort of stock poses for figures and hands and faces that they pick up along the way for drawing very quickly, especially for background characters that you barely look at. Even the way they draw folds for the clothes is often very similar in each panel, but each artist has their own style.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on June 18, 2019, 05:06:19 PM
There's definitely norms that make for good art or appealing art, but there's also definitely quirks that an artist just has to accept to go along otherwise things will go wonky.

By the way what is the source for your hand references? Digital or real life? Also have you managed the holy grail hand gestures of 1. The money rubbing gesture or 2. Pointing to the heavens in an inspirational manner?

I think it's impossible to draw these hands anatomically correct AND emotionally correct
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on June 19, 2019, 03:30:44 AM
Quote
anatomically correct AND emotionally correct
You've definitely hit on something with that. As i was drawing those two pages I realised once again that even in a photo, hands can look pretty awful and "unrealistic" for certain poses. So to some extent, manga/art is not drawing things correctly, but drawing things to look correct.

For me my worst hand poses are the OK gesture (or any thumb to finger pose) , and just an open palm pose. I just can't get them right for some reason haha

I always use photo references to draw from, but a lot are ones I have taken of myself. Partly thats because I don't have a decent mirror setup to get the angles that I want, and mostly you will be drawing hands from the opposite angle that you look at your own hands. I need to take more references with interacting with props.

I also use manga reference to see how other artists simplify the body and hands, but I try to not use it as reference too much since it is pretty low quality.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on July 24, 2019, 05:21:24 PM
236 hands drawn on holiday
I tried drawing a pose, and then drawing it in 2 other angles, which helped to get the 3d form of a hand in my head a lot more.
667/1000

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/9DRnzpn.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/NxYm4Hz.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/dwbcANs.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0bTVsAm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uWUqOb9.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JiaWNYW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZGy198I.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7exVkeK.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on September 16, 2019, 03:25:52 PM
unfortunately I didn't back up this topic so I'm going to have to scrounge around for the old images if I want to fix the photobucket blurryness :/

anywho I know this isn't of much interest to anyone, but I added another GIMP script to my arsenal, so when I click it, it adds all the layers that I use when colouring, in the right places, with the right layer settings and the right name. It'll save a couple of minutes every time I use it, and since I don't often name my layers out of lazyness, I'll now be able to keep a track of where I am a bit better as a bonus :P

So one button now does all this:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZsdH8ik.png)

every little helps as far as efficiency goes.
onwards and upwards :P
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: joeiisart on September 16, 2019, 03:33:45 PM
I love your improvement! :heart: :heart: :heart:
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on September 16, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
thanks!!!!
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on October 27, 2019, 04:19:18 AM
Forgot to post these that I drew while I was away. It's an A5 sketchbook.

This is my dad asleep on the sofa behind the table
(https://i.imgur.com/UKEsKSk.jpg)

This I drew when I stopped for 15 minutes in a village center.
(https://i.imgur.com/CSlS2il.jpg)

It was actually nice to draw outside from real life instead of photos, and I definitely would like to try it again. I did get the feeling people were glancing at me but I did get used to it surprisingly haha
Unfortunately the weather was awful the whole time I was away, and the ink got a bit wet and smudged when it started to rain on the second picture. Otherwise I would have drawn a lot more I think.

Also my ink style needs a lot of work, although I don't dislike the super sketchyness. I would have loved to splash a bit of solid colour or shading on the page so I'll need to figure out what my options are for traditional stuff. Something like markers would be nice - I've got some somewhere XD
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on November 04, 2019, 05:52:57 AM
Hohoho naming layers like that is a low blow dude. Just how organized can a man be XD

I'll steal that.

Also love these from life drawings suuper! It really is a different feeling than when you work on a photograph, and it's such a different sense of dedication when you go out in public and sketch/draw. And trust me, when you see someone doing that it's generally a positive feeling from the side of an observer - I freak out happilly whenever I see someone going out in the park to sketch, or in the train drawing something. I swear, I don't even care if they are doodles. Actually, the more doodly the better because it makes me think more (not that photorealism isn't awesome.)

That village center looks interesting... Does it have a cafe's nearby by any chance? Cafe's are great sketching places.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on November 04, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
I find having named layers helps in that it reminds me what work is remaining, like sometimes I would forget to do highlights but now there's a named layer for it, I cant really forget now haha
Plus sometimes you want to make changes, and you have no idea what layer the thing you're trying to erase is on, so it helps to pinpoint where everything is.

It was near the middle of town, so yeah there were plenty of cafes. Although I would prefer to sit outside the cafe and draw, otherwise other than the inside of the cafe I can't sketch anything haha. If there hadn't been so much rain I might have done that more.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on November 11, 2019, 03:29:00 PM
Finished a 2 hour page. Spent about 50-90 seconds on each face.
I cant wait to get onto learning shading once I figure out placement of features.
Faces from Google images haha

(https://i.imgur.com/61IUmOK.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on November 12, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Yessss. This stokes me so much to draw more with pen and ink. Love these, Suuper. Man you're really understanding the bones that make structures and protrusions depending on how the head moves (even if its' referenced, I tend to simplify things so much you don't really see those subtle bumps on the head.) Good stuff!
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on November 12, 2019, 01:55:57 PM
Yeah I've been trying to increase the accuracy and keep an eye on those subtle shape changes. And it has already started to have an impact on my manga face proportions, which is kinda cool. As with pretty much everything, should have done it sooner :P
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on November 28, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
923/1000 hands.
As I hinted at earlier somewhere, I've changed the way I do bulk regimes slightly, by drawing in a premade grid.
There isn't much difference to drawing without a grid, except it does make counting a lot easier.
Again in line with my larger pages, this is a 256 square grid so it took just under 2 hours to fill in. Beats saving a page every 15 minutes for sure, and I can stop at any time and just save my work, which has made it easier to start drawing if I am unsure of how much time I have to draw, knowing that I don't have to fill a whole page.

256 is convenient because 4 of them is 1024, so it's perfect for a regime. I could have done something smaller but I wanted a big square so there you go.

(https://i.imgur.com/E5z03BZ.png)

trouble is now I've got a random amount left to do. might do another 256 since the regime has lasted so long I think it lost its benefit a little.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 15, 2020, 02:50:13 AM
Finally started my 1000 clothing shade studies regime, and it's seriously overdue. I have literally only ever done like an hour of clothing shade study before lol (or even any kind of shade study), it's always been just normal line copies when I have studies clothes before.

This is also doubling up as actual workflow practice on how to actually shade, i.e. what brushes and settings to use and so on. The 4th row I started to get a bit of a methodology going. It's sort of hacky but it's decent enough for the moment. I also sort of feel that I have a bit of a shading style coming on already, like how I want to simplify the fold patterns etc.

Took just over an hour and a half for 30. (ETA for 1000: 50 hours)
Only working in monochrome because colour is a different beast.
Copying photos from the clothing references I have collected over the years.
I'll be doing at least a row of studies a day as per my other post about doing things regularly daily.
Quality is all over the place as my observation is not quite up to scratch.

30/1000

(https://i.imgur.com/KPmy1dv.png)

I've also got lined up to do 1000 body shade studies alongside it because that is also important. I might do some more painting style illustrations once I start to get the hang of face and body shading. Some portraits might also get done if we're lucky :P

Not sure if to do faces separate to bodies to make sure I get it proper since faces are more important to get really good. Maybe not 1000 faces, so like 500 body, 500 faces, something like that?

I'm suddenly realizing how difficult actual art is now haha. I'm hoping that I get used to it XD
I get the feeling my style is going to fragment even more @_@

EDIT:
and while I'm at it, I thought I'd share the program I've been working on, my image splitter. it basically saves all the finished images in my bulk WIP image page as individual images again.
Previously I used a similar program that I wrote, but I had to click and drag a box around each image. Fast enough, but now it's extra fast.
It can either split the images up like a grid, or same but also crop the write space out. That's super useful when you've got 20 images on a page to crop.

(https://i.imgur.com/MFcX3BH.png)

The annoying thing is that it catches the date on the top right, but as long as I write the date small enough I can skim past it. I'm wondering if I still need to write the date, since the images all get split up anyway. Plus the filename contains the date. It was sort of a backup in case I accidentally renamed my files.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 15, 2020, 04:09:46 PM
And also finally finished my body shade page at the same time. Until I know what I'm doing with faces, I'm going to skip doing them and just focus on the core body.
A lot of varying quality, small beginnings for sure. I hope to stabilize before 500; 10 pages is 300 so that will be a good checkpoint, for both.
Some turned out really good all things considered, so I hope to eventually do this sort of shading from memory/imagination.

So this regime is also 30/1000
Took 80 minutes, a little faster than the clothing, but pretty much the same, so about 45 hours of work left.

(https://i.imgur.com/VdK4EBc.jpg)

I'm using the exact same shading method for the body as the clothing until I see a better way one way or the other.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 16, 2020, 11:42:33 AM
Oh I completely forgot to mention that I've been slowly cleaning up my original 1000 figure sketches.
I've been going over the top and redrawing them but more accurately. I think it's been quite helpful.
Thanks to my new daily routine I'm going to stick this in, to get it out of the way. It's good practice as a lot of the poses are super hard.
I've been on this since December 2018, pretty much the moment I finished the original regime.

336/1000
Here's the most recent page I did, working on a huge number per page since I can stop-start with my open canvas workflow (TM)
I'm going to use all of these as inspiration later on I hope :P
(with my new image cropper I split them all back to individual images in nano time!)

(https://i.imgur.com/SyqQSPe.png)

After this is done and my hands regime is done, I might pick another regime to do 1000 of.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: MoonFlame on January 16, 2020, 11:57:30 AM
thats amazing, i think i will even save these images to use as reference for my own drawings, i love the way you study every part of every detail you can
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 16, 2020, 12:48:03 PM
Thanks! If it's useful reference then I'm glad, but bear in mind I'm still learning so there'll be mistakes XD
But I do recommend trying to draw poses you have thought of yourself as it will help you to grow as an artist I think.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on January 20, 2020, 03:01:54 PM
Finished my 1000 hands regime.
2019-02-06 to 2020-01-20
Took only 6 actual hours of drawing time, but nearly a year of actual time. Tells you what time management is all about.
It's not impressive so I wont post it all, but here's the last page.

256 Doesn't really look like much when it's in a grid.
Final count: 1179/1000

(https://i.imgur.com/5k1dfTz.png)

Thoughts: I'll be brief.
-Hands are hard
-Grids are awesome
-Reference helps a bit
-Daily effort is very productive.
-Repetition of poses is good practice
-Original hand poses are difficult
-Hands are hard.

I'm going to take my last 2 pages, 512 hands and try and make them look really good. So straight into the next regime. I'll probably do 4 sets, with a cleaning and inking stage. So the regime is 512 lineart hands, maybe. At least "higher quality" hands.
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2020, 12:00:32 PM
Inked Hands 100/500
This took 2 and a half hours, so it's taken quite a while tbh.
But I did do a cleaning/redraw layer under this, which took probably about half the time.
Mixed results but overall decent enough methinks.
I've been doing 2 rows a day, but with 2 layers it averages to 10 finished a day.
I've not been consistent with this though but I'm getting better.

(https://i.imgur.com/b5FJk5N.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: suuper-san on February 25, 2020, 02:16:45 PM
Good news! I have finally finished my figure cleanup regime. Out of the original 1003, 867 were actually complete poses (it took 100 or so before I got my act together the first time)
And here they all are in their glory. I combined the images for ease of upload, Mostly I worked on 20 at a time, until my open canvas method, and then I moved to 48 per sheet.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/p8OjP5s.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MlTcqZV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/DbTYlxi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KC2eGVK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/YTEHsSJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9ubtyze.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/dhoBetv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Hbq6olX.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZiKjIcG.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4o6ZHQI.png)

I'll try and be briefer than normal but still talk about what I learnt this time round:


So that's a nice thing to have under my belt, and I can move on to my next regime, which I paused temporarily, that of clothing and body shading studies. It's going to be a bit more of a long term regime, lasting about 6 months maybe. Once I've done enough linearts, then I'll be switching my WIP focus to coloured linearts to upgrade my colouring and shading, and then finally rolling back round to finishing sketches again (or possibly cleaning). fun stuff.

onwards and upwards!!!!
Title: Re: Suuper's non-manga art
Post by: legomaestro on February 26, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Oh my word I can't believe you really crossed the threshold. And how the hell didn't I notice you'd already hit 1000 hands dude hahahahaha! Congratulations suuper! This is awesome

Gaddamn the complexity of these poses makes me want to work with more complex poses too. No wonder your stuff is so polished in so apparently short a time. You've had some legendary practice to work with.

And wowee that is a masterplan and a half. It's related to that booklet of sorts too right? Basically referencing stuff done by yourself? Man, this really makes me think I could go back over an old regimen and use it somehow. Heck you mentioned using my thumbnails could help me with Sketch Survival. I'll look into that.

Also encouraging bit about the sketching. I still need to see how that works out for me especially when I throw backgrounds into the mix. I really want to think some of my roughest works can be polished up to look much better. I'll see over time if I can do that. I'm happy with sketchy linework but yeah... It could also look great without.

1000 expressions and hairstyles will interest me a lot when you get to it.

22 hours. In of itself it doesn't seem much but knowing how long you took that's a lot of regular dedication.

Really hyped to see you hit the finish line here... And to think you got the hands in the bag too! Cheers all around dude!

(https://i.imgur.com/kTEt2sz.png)