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Title: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 30, 2011, 06:03:39 AM
PORTFOLIO UNDER CONSTRUCTION :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
I figured like some other peeps I would have this first post as a portfolio of sorts, as well as an improvement log through the years, so if you ever look here that's what'll happen one day :P

It's also a bit of a link dump for stuff I've done and don't want to forget where I've put it

Blackout Story (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,7334.0.html)


1000 Sketch Regimes:
1000 Figures (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,4319.msg297919.html#msg297919)
1000 Faces (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,4319.msg299461.html#msg299461)
1000 Redrawn Old WIPs  (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,4319.msg300804.html#msg300804)



Heres the original post for, well posterity
ORIGINAL POST
i had to trawl through a few art books to find any good drawing that i have done that actually show my skill level. anyways, here they are in roughly chronological order (that means what comes last i did just now). the pictures are about teh same size that i drew them, the channer made them large and i had to shrink them down again.

EDIT:WHAT THEY ARE STILL BIG for me, do they look big to you, cos it might be my computer cache or something stupid like that....

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_1.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_2.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_3.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_4.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_5.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_6.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_7.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_8.jpg)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/eye_1.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/eye_2.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/eye_3.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/eye_4.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_9.jpg)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/manga_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Coryn on June 30, 2011, 01:06:02 PM
i'm pretty sure the images will be the same size for everyone. and pretty good work. specially with the eyes. i would suggest varying up your angles and what not. get more of a range.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2011, 01:20:14 PM
Apart from the eyes you have nice shading. And basically i'll repeat what coryn said, try out different angles and stuff to be able to progress.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: MrYoruichi on June 30, 2011, 01:59:57 PM
I love your work with eyes. Particularly the fourth one, I get a lot of emotion out of that.
Same advice as others, test your skills and vary up some positions :)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: AnimeDoodler on June 30, 2011, 05:15:59 PM
nice work here! I cant wait to see you improve ^^
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Paulis1tp on June 30, 2011, 07:06:06 PM
Suuuuuper suuuper! :D I love the bald guy the most and of course the eyes :) Anyway I can noit wait till u make ur manga!!! When are u planning to draw ur manga?
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on July 01, 2011, 04:39:26 AM
ehemm.. my turn now.. um.. haha..
basically, ill just probly repeat what they've already said so just pretend i said something relevant and thought-proving it inspired you to try to achieve even greater drawing skills.   8)

 
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2011, 07:11:45 AM
@Paulis1tp i dont think ill be starting my manga any time soon, my skills are way not good enough. i have an awesome idea through which i will keep working on untill the time when i start drawing

@gieph wow that was so inspiring! i feel like going and doing loads of drawing now!!!!!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Paulis1tp on July 01, 2011, 07:34:51 AM
Well suupertramp i have to tell u that i also thought that my skill are not good enough to start manga and yes the first pages were awful but trust me it is such a good practise for everything! Anatomy, panels ,lines ,poses!!!

I recogn u should start drawing it :D:D:D What would be your manga about?
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2011, 07:54:53 AM
yeah im thinking about starting another simple story like lucky star (cos thats basically conversaion) or something just to get used to drawing the panels and stuff, cos some things i dont want to spoil through lack of skill and some otehr things i dont care.

my ideal story has magic and fantasy, like bleach or something like that. it would have wizards and evil and stuff like that :P i also love elemental magic like avatar the last airbender and would probaby like to write a manga on that too but i don't have any ideas on an actual story :(
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Paulis1tp on July 01, 2011, 08:14:40 AM
Woooah yes I love bleach we have got defenitly similar manga interests so i hope u will come up with something soon. :D Maaaaaan u can even start tooday!!!! Right now take the paper pencil and draaaw! (heh just kiddin)

I can wait till everyone leave house and i can continue pages of my new manga :D
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2011, 08:29:30 AM
lol i know what you mean, i just turn the radio up so i cant hear anything else, it helps me focus otherwise i start staring out of my window which is conveniently placed where i can look out and start daydreaming :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on July 30, 2011, 05:15:40 AM
is that what you do when you're not killing people huh, Richard? lolz
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Keyjolfsson on July 30, 2011, 09:36:46 AM
i can see from the pictures that your skills have improved a lot i side from different angels i would like to see you try different expressions and perhaps try full body drawings. I hope i can see more soon 
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2011, 02:07:26 PM
@gleiph i dont what you're talking about......

@Keyjolfsson thanks im working on bodies at the moment but mostly its just quicky sketches, nothing really to show for it :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on July 30, 2011, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: suupertramp on July 28, 2011, 05:57:44 AM

   
Quote
lol my name is Richard!
    its always weird to have someone else using it :P
    great drawings, plus its nice to see how you went from draft to actual page nicely!


well i hope you're not a serial killer too, are you? lol haha.
now it got me thinking, how did i end up with richard as richard's name in the first place?
oh it was three years ago, i already forgot.. lolz.

but richard is a good name for a serial killer though..
Quote

@super, dont tell you got Alzheimer's as well.. lolz
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on August 01, 2011, 07:04:05 AM
no, i somehow missed that comment.
i dont forget stuff, i just cant connect stuff together so i wont always make the connection straight away

no i dont kill cereal......   :S
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on August 01, 2011, 11:44:51 AM
lolz.. my bad! another sour tasting joke, i guess. im known for that around here. :push:
anyways, when are gonna post some new drawings?
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on August 01, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
well im doing drawing and some of them turn out good, but i cant be bothered to:
1)find my scanner
2)plug it in
3)put my picture in the scanner
4)scan it
5)upload it and give it a title
6)post it
i think ill upload batches when i can be bothered but for now i wont be adding any more stuff. i might try using my graphics tablet but it will take me a while to get used to it again :S
i wonder how manga is actually done now, is it all done by hand and scanned in at the end, or is more done on computers now...?
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on August 02, 2011, 03:36:24 PM
wow, you must be pretty busy then. ahaha

in japan? i think its still mostly done traditionally. but in america, digitally.
as long as they produce really cool comics/mangas i dont really care. ahaha.

looking forward to seeing your next posts, super!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: SayuriOnee-chan on August 02, 2011, 04:27:26 PM
In Japan it's mostly done traditionally, there's just a few mangaka that uses computers for the rasters and coloured pages. But the most current way of making mangas is inking and for colours, using alcohol markers (like copics)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on August 03, 2011, 05:05:54 AM
yeah it doesnt matter if you read the manga, but if you are making it then it might make a difference.
@gieph im not busy, im lazy :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: carrotcan on August 03, 2011, 07:55:46 AM
More details.
Detail Of You Is minimal.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on August 04, 2011, 03:31:20 AM
what, you want to know more about me?
go find my introduction page :read: , i wrote loads
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on August 04, 2011, 03:40:54 AM
i think carrot meant that the details of your drawings are minimal.  and that he suggests next time try to add more details.. i think? ahaha.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on August 04, 2011, 04:28:43 AM
ahhh, thankyou translator gieph :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on August 04, 2011, 03:26:16 PM
ahaha. i no prob. i cant believe im translating for carrot-san. ahaha.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2011, 07:19:25 AM
well we all have those moments when we say something that totally doesn't make sense :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 24, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
its been a year but i am finally back, here are some pictures that i have been drawing over the last year. any numbers over the picture is how long it took in minutes roughly if i happened to notice. i only have about 20 pages that were worth uploading, so here they are.
I cant wait to hear what you like/dont like/what i could improve/tips etc
oh on my laptop i had to tilt the screen to see the fainter drawings, sorry if you have to do the same im not good with fixing that kind of stuff, or it could just be my laptop :P
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG.jpg)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0008.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0009.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0010.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0011.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0012.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0016.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0017.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0018.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0019.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0020.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0021.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0022.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0023.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0024.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0025.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0026.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0027.jpg)

i hate it when someone who cant draw looks at your work and says wow thats amazing, and u look at it and its totally rubbish, makes me a bit depressed as i get it a lot at college when i draw manga in the lunch breaks.
PS should i not have uploaded them all together like this? like posted them in bits? or is it ok?
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on November 24, 2012, 06:33:45 PM
It's fine with how you posted them.

Good drawings you have here. You should study some realistic proportions for humans so you'll be better at manipulating them. Facial proportions/under-structures should be included study as well. You won't lose the ability to draw in a manga style that you have. In fact, studying realistic proportions will only improve your stylized drawings. Also, some drawings for form would be a good idea, as your drawings will become more voluminous from it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHefdroQdDo&feature=context-gfa Getting better at forms will allow you to crank out drawings much, much faster from your imagination. Just be conscious of what forms are present in a drawing.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jamie on November 24, 2012, 10:50:25 PM
Great improvement alraedy!!! Already better than me >.<
Keep it up, and welcome to MR if i haven't welcomed you in the welcome center. :)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 25, 2012, 04:09:37 AM
@ryan thanks, ive been putting off studing like muscles and stuff, i know its a good idea but i didnt really want to do it. i will definitly do it sometime, and wish i had done it earlier i bet :P yeah the speed of drawings is what concerns me the most, if you're sure that it will improve my speed then thats a definite must :) oh the video was pretty good, i havnt yet done much 3d drawing like just shapes yet so good call :P

@jamie thanks!
i was actually here a year ago but finally made my way back!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 26, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
heres a page i reeled off in about 20mins for the whole thing (first time i have drawn in biro for ages)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Zealapeal on November 26, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
20 minutes... Good God you're fast.

Quality and accuracy looks pretty decent. Facial expressions are nice, definitely tell what they feel. The man with the bat's arms are a little long though for his body-size. Other than that little tid-bit, that 20-minute page is a 20-minute win. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 27, 2012, 02:33:16 PM
thanks!
yeah i see what you mean about the long arms, didnt notice that :P
the only reason i could draw so fast was that i used biro rather than pencil, i felt less bothered because once ive drawn a line, i cant really rub it out, so i just drew with a bit less pressure (mental pressure, not pen pressure). normally that page would have taken an hour to do, so im hoping i can keep the speed up :)
the only reason i know it was 20 mins was that i drew two other pages in the hour space i had, but they werent good enough to upload really, i dont want to spam the forum :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 27, 2012, 04:08:13 PM
heres my latest (i seem to be a day behind myself)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-2-2.jpg)

originally it was just the girl on the left but it ended up a whole family - dont ask me :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 28, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
latest:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-1-1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-1-1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-1-1.jpg)

i would love it if anyone could help me improve, picking out bits i did wrong or tips to improve!
PS i will make my later images smaller so you dont have to scroll to see the edge!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: h_musick on November 28, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
Looking good!!! The only thing i can see for sure is that the female body there on the left is alittle out of proportion (spelling?) the legs are alittle short, and the hips maybe give her a pare shape. Your doing really well!!! hope to see more!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on November 28, 2012, 06:11:31 PM
I think you have potential. You have dedication which is a trait I admire of any artist, and you have the fire to learn. I'm not usually one to pick out things wrong in a drawing anymore, because I'd rather help the artist develop the skills necessary to evaluate their own work and to see the errors in it.
http://conceptart.org/forums/forum.php this forum should be of help to you, the discussion is very insightful on learning to draw.
errors/tips:
lack of balance in faces.
#15- eyes should be higher up, at about the middle line of the face. If you want to go big anime-style eyes, there should be 3 eyes about 3 eyes distance across the face. In real life, it's about 5 eyes distance.

in case you don't already, think in form, not line. draw the contour(outline of form) only after you have drawn the basic form of things.

draw with reference, but don't copy your reference. when you don't know what something looks like, look it up. one mistake I see beginners make is that they think drawing with reference is "bad."
there are no rules to making art, only tools. You should do what it takes to make great art.

But be careful with how you approach this, some things you do will be bad for your development; for example, color picking when doing digital paintings studies from reference. Ctrl+z will allow you to make mistakes with no consequence and can have negative impacts on an artist who over-use it.
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?123346-Using-photo-reference-correctly BUT DONT, DON'T BE A SLAVE TO REFERENCE

draw from life. seriously. it's challenging and will improve your observational drawing skills. build up your drawings from life with form, and don't forget to use proportion. and again, conceptart.org is going to be very helpful with showing you how to learn to draw from life. http://www.ctrlpaint.com/form-not-shape/ focus on form, and that will improve your ability to draw from imagination.

find a goal for yourself. I don't really know what direction you want to push your work. do you want to keep doing manga-style, or do you want to go more realistic? Would you like to do both? The reason I ask this is because there is different advice for either boats. Though, it's my educated opinion that practicing realism improves your stylized work. Because when you study realism, you understand why things are stylized the way they are. Don't avoid realism because you think it's "hard." First of all, yes, it's going to be hard. But that difficulty is what makes that process so worthwhile.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 29, 2012, 02:29:31 AM
thanks for your informative comment, ryan.
well i think i would like to move to a sleightly more realistic style, but i am aiming for something like cover art on the mangas, like the much higher quality than the ones inside cos its more important. really i just want to be able to understand the form of objects like you said, so i can draw them fom memory or imagination.
i have college to go to now, i'll check the links you posed later!
EDIT: i checked them out, found quite a bit useful, thanks!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on November 29, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
latest page i drew at college, was planning to do some gesture poses thingys, but i forgot.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: legomaestro on November 29, 2012, 07:14:12 PM
Glad to see you back in action suuper
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 02, 2012, 09:29:57 AM
@lego thanks, well ive been drawing all the time but i just couldnt find the time to get back to the site

heres some of yesterdays work, im working on doing more computer work soon, so gonna try colouring in some of my good drawings if i can find any :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-3-1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 03, 2012, 08:40:11 AM
some more, im starting to get a bit more detailed on hair athough i mucked up the big picture quite a bit
got some colouring pencils finally did a little test on them, didnt scan in too well, i will probably just use the PC to colour in the future.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-4.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: P4 on December 03, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
user retired
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 03, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
i was kind of randomly picking colours, but yeah i wasn't too happy with how they turned out. needed a larger colour range to choose from would have been better.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2012, 04:11:59 PM
more i did today:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-4.jpg)

by the way, would i get more positive criticism if i tried to draw a whole person rather than just bits?

also by the way, does anyone else see this image as big? because i resized it but it shows up big for me....?
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 04, 2012, 04:44:27 PM
Nice eyes, better than mines lol.

In my opinion, if you tried to draw a whole body instead, that would just be more criticism coming your way. Even if you just drew pieces of said body, you would still be criticized of your wrongs anyways.

Probably some positive feedback depending on how well you managed to draw the full figure, though. On the other hand, it's always better to draw the full figure if you're not just in a sketching/lazy mode; this I would probably praise you for. Drawing bodies is hell for me.

Also, the image is slightly big, but it's that way so all your drawings can be seen I presume? It's fine, the size isn't really a problem if that's what you're asking.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2012, 04:51:04 PM
what i meant about the size was that even though i resized it to the same size as all the others, i have to scroll to see the right side which is weird. i think its just something stupid like cache, my eternal enemy.

i see what you mean that there is more to criticise, didn't think of it like that. going to try and do more full A4 characters in EPIC poses, i hope :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 04, 2012, 04:52:42 PM
Oh that's what you meant. No, I don't have to scroll to see the full picture =P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2012, 04:54:07 PM
good then its just my stupid computer not updating properly *phew* hate it when that happens though. off to draw some more :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on December 04, 2012, 05:40:09 PM
Vary the way you draw your eyes or faces on your characters. They are all very similar in your work. I would recommend studying how the eyes are drawn in any manga or anime. Also, the face is good to study as well. You will be surprised how much you will learn by trying to pinpoint the shape of the eye, and the proportions of the face. Also, make sure you draw the eyes/face from memory after studying them from reference.

You're pretty good with drawing hair. Make sure when you're scanning in your stuff, the auto photo adjustments are turned off. Looks like their might be auto-contrast on your stuff.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2012, 05:55:35 PM
it could be i draw in blue pen but scan in black and white, should really do it right :P

yes my eyes are very similar i've been trying to find my style for a while and i settled on these eyes while i learn to draw the rest of the face, as you suggested. because i can draw them fairly quickly i can focus more on hair etc. i am working a bit more on 3/4 faces because i cant get them right consistently.

the hair i have almost got to a level i like now, i am also trying to get full body basic poses good as well. i only try and work on one thing at a time but i get distracted off my main goal a lot :(
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 06, 2012, 04:19:25 PM
latest, as suggested i tried to do some whole body poses (more to come as well)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 06, 2012, 06:33:30 PM
The clothes for the male is very nicely done, but the figure for the female is kind of off. The hair,face; basically the whole head is good, but everything else from the neck below is not as good. When the torso begins to curve, that part needs to be extended a lot more.

As the waist comes along, it should be curved with the legs also because they're connected. Speaking of legs, yours go straight down. Legs, arms, torso, etc.; no part of the human body is utterly 'straight', per say. Hence why the legs should start to curve slightly once you reach the knee area.

The neck is too short and a little too wide, so the support it gives to her head/shoulders looks strange. I also noticed how large her chest is. If the chest is that ample then, again, the waist needs to be larger. If not, then her chest area shall look fake and won't fit in with her overall shape. It's like having breast implants; you can tell if they're the real deal or not solely based on the rest of their figure.

I looked at the rest of your drawings; apparently your biggest problem is drawing out the hips and below. Either they're too small or the legs are too straight.

Look, Scrutinize, and Draw a.k.a. LSD(Lol). This is what I do when I'm studying human proportions or looking at picture references. Albeit, try not to copy, just try to imitate what you see when looking at references. I'm guilty of just copying sometimes, and in the end I don't really learn anything, was just trying to make the drawing look exactly like the photo, which is impossible.  :unsure:

With all this being said, I'm looking forward to what else you have to post. Remember, LSD, bro.
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Post by: suuper-san on December 07, 2012, 12:18:51 AM
thankyou for your advice and yes i do see your point about the girl, will have to practise some more :P
i have a better drawing schedule so i should be able to get more decent time to draw i hope :P
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Post by: suuper-san on December 08, 2012, 03:47:39 PM
latest, managed to colour some in with a nice set of colouring pencils. i spent most of the time finding the right colour :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: h_musick on December 08, 2012, 03:50:04 PM
nice shading.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 08, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
thanks, i tried hard on the shading but the picture doesn't look as colourful as in real life.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 08, 2012, 05:12:04 PM
You're really good at coloring, and drawing hair/eyes. Me on the other hand . . . Lol =P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 08, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
i have been practising more and more ,recently, only in the last week has my hair levelled up :P
the eyes, well when i started drawing manga i would draw rows of eyes at the top of every page in my school workbooks (every one of them)
well even so i'm not happy with them :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 08, 2012, 05:58:42 PM
just tried gesture drawing for the first time, here are the results:
i used a 45 second interval

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-2.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-6.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-3.jpg)

i probably wont post too many of these otherwise it will just fill up millions of pages. gonna do a lot more of this, i can see why its such a good idea. one of the few things i regret not starting doing earlier, although i have only found out about it recently :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 08, 2012, 06:14:20 PM
Yeah, I found out about gesture drawing too, it really helps. And wow, it really helped you. These gestures are awesome, better than mine's! Keep up the good work, suuper!  :clapping:
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2012, 05:19:04 AM
http://www.posemaniacs.com/thirtysecond
i found this incredibly useful
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: h_musick on December 09, 2012, 09:45:49 AM
 :doublethumbs: your proportions got amillion times better in these!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
lol yeah im going to try and do a good 10-15 mins a day before my normal drawing, i expect within a month i will have improved quite a bit if i can keep it up :P i am also doing a bit of research on something else that could level me up quite fast :P
basically its about focusing your practise into beneficial rather than just wasting your energy even if you are drawing, could still be a waste of time if you havnt got a direction. thats the plan anyway if it turns out good i will post an indepth article on it :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 09, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
@ suupertramp Hehe. Quite the decisive plan you have going on there.  ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2012, 01:16:48 PM
if anything, plans are all i am good at. anything past making the plan is luck :P
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Post by: Darksquirrel on December 09, 2012, 03:48:19 PM
Lol, great work.Poses are quite annoying, but it's something most of us have to go through...
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
yeah and as always practise i know :P

latest i just drew (45 mins)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 09, 2012, 05:11:40 PM
yeah and as always practise i know :P

latest i just drew (45 mins)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-6.jpg)

Sorry for quoting this and taking up nearly 1/4 of the page, but it's just so awesome. Look at those perfect lines on that shirt, and that exquisite scarf! Don't get me started on the hat and snowball , Lol. I'm not gonna say anything else, because you already know what you need to practice on. =) Very nice drawing, suuper. You're definitely improving.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2012, 05:43:53 PM
it turned out much better than i expected thats for sure, thanks for saying its awesome :P
incidentally that is the largest manga i have ever drawn, i have never filled a whole A4 with one whole character before so yay :)
thats probably one of the reasons it turned out so well i had more space for detail. yeah i know what to work on...everything lol
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on December 09, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
http://www.posemaniacs.com/thirtysecond
i found this incredibly useful

I'm going to (not) recommend posemaniacs. Those are rendered models.. not good, not good.
Use pixelovely:http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
or http://lovecastle.org/draw/
For pixelovely, make sure you're only drawing "decent" models if anyone's around ;).
I also recommend getting a book with gesture drawing in it. Maybe michael hampton figure drawing:design and invention. Or vilppu drawing manual.

Nice job on the last one, keep going.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: P4 on December 09, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2012, 08:21:28 PM
@p4 thanks yes i wasn't sure what to do for the arm so i just randomly drew, again with experience i will be able to draw creases better. thats another large subject i need to cover, that of creases

@ryan i agree with p4 the rendered models while not being absolutely life like (which is what ithink you are saying) are pretty good for my level at the moment. plus there are a lot of poses :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on December 09, 2012, 09:48:26 PM
Those rendered models often have anatomy problems in them. They're just Poser models with a texture slapped on them. The poses are stiff, with no weight, movement, or rhythm in them. Gesture drawing, ideally, should be done from life. But people don't often have access to someone to pose for them, so they use photos. People used to use posemaniacs for gesture drawings, but when better tools like pixelovely and lovecastle came to light, many artists stopped using posemaniacs.

Are you telling me you're underestimating yourself, saying you aren't good enough to draw from photos? Everybody starts out doing *censored*ty quality gesture drawings. When people start drawing from life, they don't tell themselves, "okay! I'm good enough to start drawing from life now!" What did people do when there was no internet or comics, did they just say "oh well, I'm not good enough to draw from life, so I'm not going to." How do you know if you're not good enough if you've never tried? And if you fail, so what? We all start out drawing failures. You just need to push through it and overcome that. Figure out why you fail, what you're missing, and what you need to do to overcome your weakness. Maybe what will happen is that you'll need to strengthen your understanding of basic forms by drawing more simple subjects like cups and apples. Maybe...you won't be able to draw the proportions of the figure well when you're starting out. That's okay. Maybe...it will take you a few weeks, months, or seasons to really learn the basics of form and proportion. I don't know how long it will take you. But challenge yourself. There's no special steps to climb to become better, no way to know if you're ready to try something harder until you do try. When you can't learn something, then you need to move backwards and improve your understandings there. Don't be afraid of drawing from life. Still lifes are a great way to get better.

Also, I wouldn't tell you all this if I didn't believe you could do it. Someone's gotta be there to push you to be your best ;).
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: P4 on December 09, 2012, 10:16:19 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on December 10, 2012, 07:53:19 AM
@ryan ahhhh i seem to have made a mess of things. i get used when talking to people in real life to not explaining things very well since noone understands me anyway. let me clear up the misunderstanding i think i just caused:

i initially meant that basically at my current copy level at the high speed, it doesnt matter what i copy, 3d or real, the result will be the same anyway. with that in mind, i decided to use the posemanics as they seemed to have a larger pose collection to build up a bit of experience of general proportions at unusual angles/poses etc. i was then going to move on to real life to learn to draw clothes, and at the same time pick up that element of realness that isnt in the rendered drawings as you rightly said.

i definitely am not underestimating myself, i tend to choose what i feel is the most logical option at the time, even if i can see the negative aspects at the same time. (the reason i chose the 3d was the large number of poses)
thankyou for your encouraging comment, i definitly feel pushed to try my best!
i will look around and see if i can find any other sites with a batter collection of poses

oh i looked at the two links, i prefer the pixelovely one might try that out for a session

hope that clears it up :P

@p4 what????
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Nyosan on December 10, 2012, 07:55:53 AM
hey you're back already huh ?, you really improved this time keep it up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 10, 2012, 08:00:13 AM
ive been back like 2 weeks....
yes i have improved a bit :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on December 10, 2012, 07:53:22 PM
@ryan ahhhh i seem to have made a mess of things. i get used when talking to people in real life to not explaining things very well since noone understands me anyway. let me clear up the misunderstanding i think i just caused:

i initially meant that basically at my current copy level at the high speed, it doesnt matter what i copy, 3d or real, the result will be the same anyway. with that in mind, i decided to use the posemanics as they seemed to have a larger pose collection to build up a bit of experience of general proportions at unusual angles/poses etc. i was then going to move on to real life to learn to draw clothes, and at the same time pick up that element of realness that isnt in the rendered drawings as you rightly said.

i definitely am not underestimating myself, i tend to choose what i feel is the most logical option at the time, even if i can see the negative aspects at the same time. (the reason i chose the 3d was the large number of poses)
thankyou for your encouraging comment, i definitly feel pushed to try my best!
i will look around and see if i can find any other sites with a batter collection of poses

oh i looked at the two links, i prefer the pixelovely one might try that out for a session

hope that clears it up :P

@p4 what????

Ahh... well I went a bit overboard as well :P.
You can find some stuff here as well to use: http://characterdesigns.com/index.php?sitepage=photosets
this place is good for portraits http://earthsworld.com/
though remember this, we never copy the model. We analyze the model.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 11, 2012, 03:08:49 AM
dont worry about it, you went overboard for my sake so its ok i guess :P
thanks for the extra sites i will try and use them
and of course to reference rather than copy, over the years ive noticed that it its a better thing to do that so thanks for confirming that :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 12, 2012, 09:16:54 AM
latest, a WIP that i will redraw because it started getting better than just a rough sketch, but it was too late and i had overlapped a picture. so gutted but i will redraw it today i hope

its so annoying when you are just basically randomly doodling and one startes turning out good so you really try hard but end up drawing into other drawings and they ruin it :(

obviously the good WIP is the girl not the dude, he just got in the way

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-7.jpg)

by the way, does anyone know how to make the lines come up darker after scanning in? i use GIMP to edit my pictures but just dont know what setting to change, the contrast and brightness just make the whole picture messy i just want all the lines to come up darker......any ideas guys?

Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Tshua on December 13, 2012, 08:08:51 PM
When I'm using Gimp I usually do this:

1) Select all
2) got to the "Colors" tab at the top
3) Scroll down to "Curves" and select
4) Adjust it from there by playing around with the settings

Hope this helps!
I know how much of a pain Brightness/Contrast settings can be. :)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 14, 2012, 02:47:06 AM
thankyou i will give that a try with later scans and see if it helps!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 15, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
latest again, i am starting to get to teh stage where i might start attempting to draw one of my manga ideas, or at least a random manga (i have enough experience with drawing now that i think i can handle the angles and stuff now, i mean i know i cant but i think i can which makes all the difference)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps7ad4137f.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps5b283165.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Ryan on December 15, 2012, 06:32:36 PM
Your eyes are looking better. Your figures are still lacking proportion, imo. The middle one had perspective in it so I just felt like showing it to you in box-form. Boxes are a good way to practice drawing the figure. You can use cylinders and spheres too, if you want.

(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u446/Nexuun/boxes_zps65485240.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Marche' on December 16, 2012, 12:47:50 AM
Nice practice :-D
If you need to make more improvement about anatomy. Try to draw more doodle sketch :-) just 20 pic per day but don't care about face. Focus on anatomy only.

I'm always sketching anatomy before drawing something. It's make me release some new idea about composition and dynamic anatomy.

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee511/marchstories/Illustrater/Photo0007Small_zps50fcaa5f.jpg)

Thanks for sharing :-D
 
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 16, 2012, 03:25:53 AM
@ryan thanks for showing me that. the trouble i have is with legs when they are fully bent i wasnt too sure of how to draw it in the first place, boxes or no boxes, i didnt know like how the legs bends that way, if you get what i mean. basically i was trying to draw something i have no specific memory of seeing, with no idea how to do it. thanks for the tip though, i will try and use the box more often :P

@marche' yes i often do about 20 or so before i start a long stretch of drawing. i dont post them here because they would fill up my entire thread with rubbish pictures. thanks for the suggestion though, i will focus less on the face when i draw them.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 16, 2012, 05:59:27 PM
did a lot of drawing, did about 20 sides of A4 with skecthes and stuff, i am going through a lot of tutorials so i have a lot of stuff to copy and reference from.

this is the only stuff i didnt copy, or that actually turned out goodish:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps5107ca92.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps623482d3.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Mancraw on December 16, 2012, 07:34:22 PM
Looks like your art has come a far way.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 19, 2012, 06:28:00 AM
found a drawing i did with my graphics tablet a while back, just thought i woud post it.
by the way, is it better to have a different topic for my digital art and my pencil/pen stuff?

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/graphicsmanga1_zpsef8c556e.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: h_musick on December 19, 2012, 12:50:44 PM
tat looks really good suuper! nice strong looking guy there    ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 25, 2012, 05:38:59 PM
@musick thanks

latest stuff, a good one i drew as well. i feel like i am slowly but surely improving. at least i feel more confident :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zpsc84370c0.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsae9624f5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps1d98b5e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: DemonConvival on December 25, 2012, 06:25:31 PM
You're improving without a doubt. Nice drawings, especially the 2nd and last ones.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Darksquirrel on December 27, 2012, 04:18:46 AM
You've certainly improved since your first drawing :D
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Zealapeal on December 27, 2012, 04:13:07 PM
Well done, suuper! You're coming along nicely with your drawings. Keep it up!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 30, 2012, 04:21:23 PM
thanks everyone!
heres what i was working on with my tablet. its a bit rubbish but its pretty much my first proper attempt.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Untitled_zps76fd3eb0.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Darksquirrel on December 30, 2012, 04:39:26 PM
It's good, but I still think nothing beats pencil and paper.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 30, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
well atm my pen paper is better, but i cant colour so well on paper, even with nice pencils
plus if i want to make it another colour or change something i cant, but digital you can.
hopefully i will get good at using my tablet and colouring quickly :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Jamie on December 30, 2012, 11:53:13 PM
your traditional artwork is amazing!
Once you practice more, the digital art will improve. Well done (Y)  :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 31, 2012, 04:04:31 AM
thanks!
ive been practising as much as possible recently, and i still have a week off left until college!
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Darksquirrel on December 31, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
You know you can just scan pencil drawings and color/finish digitally.
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 31, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
yeah im not too keen on that, i would rather keep mediums separate, although i might change my mind when i have more experience
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on December 31, 2012, 03:34:22 PM
latest with a tablet. i tried fixing up all the lines, but it didnt go as well as i had hoped. the next few drawings will probably be the same sketchy style. incidentally, this is the remake of the WIP i never finished a week or so ago.

has anyone got any tips on how to fix up a drawing like the one below? this is using a tablet on computer btw :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2c_zps7a6b1905.png)

lol i just showed this to my dad and he was like thats ok but it doesnt make sense -  why is the girl holding the swords? i told him that he hasnt watched enough anime yet :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on January 01, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
well heres another pose i just drew. i tried to scan it into a digital line art but the black wasn't strong enough (ballpoint pen - what can you expect?). i will try later to get it working. the line across the page is where i joined two bits of paper together when i ran out of space :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsae4b3f9e.jpg)

yeah the anatomy is a bit of a mess but i wasnt really trying, i wanted a sharp artwork (which failed lol)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: P4 on January 02, 2013, 02:23:31 AM
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Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on January 02, 2013, 09:56:06 AM
i didnt use an image, that was completely from my head. thats why it was a bit wrong lol :P
i tried to do a bit of foreshortening but overdid it i think.
im not too use to working with graphics program thingies so practise will probably help
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on January 03, 2013, 10:30:50 AM
latest i just drew, had to use a camera cos i drew it on A3 (but the picture isnt full A3 though :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0005_zps9453031c.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: P4 on January 03, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
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Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on January 04, 2013, 02:43:49 AM
thats probably what happened, i did draw the left arm later, so probably figured out what was wrong by then :P
when you say eyeball the legs, you mean like compare the length to other stuff?

this picture i did draw in 5 mins while someone was talking to me, but i still felt i did a good job :P its also one of the few pics i have coloured lol, although not much.
need to focus a bit more will probably solve that :P
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: suuper-san on January 06, 2013, 02:59:34 PM
latest using gimp paths: (over a scan)
i think it turned out pretty well for a test
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zps4f477798.png)

and coloured basic

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/6b_zpsa49fb6ba.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: SayuriOnee-chan on January 06, 2013, 05:45:51 PM
It did turn out very well!
I'm looking forward for more digital works
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: P4 on January 06, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on January 07, 2013, 09:11:56 AM
ahhh, thats was an old version, must have been like an auto saver thingy, will update as soon as i have more time. but a good idea, will keep that in mind with the colour thingy

well thats partially the reason it turned out so bad lol, was probably because i was talking :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on January 08, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
lastest again

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps8b03edc0.jpg)

this one is much better in real life. i will try and digital it :P
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zps2fad0084.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Jeff Nice (gieph) on January 08, 2013, 08:02:39 PM
looking very great suuper, nice to see youre going digital as well... ^ ^
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on January 09, 2013, 09:15:03 AM
thanks! it was kind of an inevitable way to go, i think i will still try and do as much of the work as i can in the real world,although there are a lot of advantages to both and i will need to find my own balance between them :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: h_musick on January 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
wow nice improvment! great job on the heads and faces! the legs look a little too short but maybe she is just short? lol or maybe it's the prospective? LOOKS GREAT!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on January 10, 2013, 11:44:26 AM
thanks!
yes thats a problem i have at the moment , drawing the legs too short, i am trying to work on that!

latest i drew over the last few days:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpseac12f9c.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps0eebf803.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zpsb1f53217.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zps8d9e955d.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-3_zps2c4e2578.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on January 11, 2013, 04:25:27 PM
latest (of what i could be bothered to scan in)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zps67e8a74c.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Ryan on January 11, 2013, 09:10:52 PM
Good stuff man, I love the effort! Keep it up.
I want to point out that I feel you should review the way you draw the head. The height of the head should be greater than the width of the head.
http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/sample/sample-7834308f4304810faee5da9e7dc0e3da.jpg
Make it a real nice egg shape, like in the link.
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Post by: jp89 on January 12, 2013, 01:06:16 AM
I don't think the head shape is a problem. I mean, that style does exist in mangas. Now if suuper was going for more of a realistic approach, then yes it would be incorrect. ;-)

I think the arms need a little work though. They aren't structured quite right, as revealed by the elbow and wrist joints.
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Post by: suuper-san on January 12, 2013, 02:13:31 PM
@ryan in real life yes its oval and stuff, but since this is a manga style i chose the head that i draw. at the moment i am fairly comfortable with the shape and proportions. when i work with other styles and going into more realism i will bear that in mind though thanks

@jp89 yes i had absolutely no idea what to do for the wrist. i will work on the arms a bit more, even getting the right proportions is a bit of a pain, but i think i am getting there :P
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Post by: suuper-san on January 13, 2013, 11:17:43 AM
latest

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps99feda2e.jpg)
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Post by: Corycaly on January 13, 2013, 01:58:03 PM
You have improved   a lot since the first drawings you posted.

The shoulders and  breast proportions need to be worked on but  the drawing is cute.

Keep working!
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Post by: suuper-san on January 13, 2013, 02:26:51 PM
thanks!
i have a hard time drawing shoulders consistently :P
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Post by: jp89 on January 14, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
The torso seems a little short with the one on the right. Make sure you are sketching out basic proportional guidelines before you start actually drawing in the character. ;-)
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Post by: Hasith on January 14, 2013, 10:53:11 PM
This last drawing is really cute. Proportions maybe very slightly out but I don't think it's very noticeable. Keep drawing !
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Post by: suuper-san on January 15, 2013, 12:48:28 PM
@jp yes i always draw the basic shape in first, but with only half a character it can often go a bit wrong as i cant draw the rest to check the proportions against.

@hasith thanks, most of my drawings dont turn out as cute as i would like though!

latest stuff i did today in lunch break, chains and some doodling over my notes in class, which is a bit rare (normally i get out my blank paper but i was kinda in a lesson). plus one which turned out kinda okish, although i didnt finish it :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zpsf96e06a5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsd7c890b5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps1634c3dd.jpg)
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Post by: Darksquirrel on January 15, 2013, 03:27:48 PM
It's nice to see you can vary the head shape, I've always struggled with that...
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Post by: suuper-san on January 15, 2013, 03:44:03 PM
ermmmm well i always try and draw it the same, it just ends up .... different :P
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Post by: suuper-san on January 17, 2013, 03:18:54 PM
latest, quite a realistic one for me

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsa9a365ef.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on January 22, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
latest again, a bit of shorthand in there as well i was practising :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps3c7ff372.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsbc025833.jpg)
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Post by: Jamie on January 22, 2013, 02:49:20 PM
Good work
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Post by: Zealapeal on January 23, 2013, 12:30:48 AM
Good work

Very heartfelt, Jamie.

Nice job on the practice, Suuper. You're definitely making progress. I didn't quite see it before, but the chains are awesome. I was flabbergasted when I saw them; I couldn't do better. Your proportions are better, and your eyes definitely carry more depth. Keep it up!
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Post by: suuper-san on January 24, 2013, 12:26:54 PM
thanks!
the chains were very simply drawn, i just drew a series of ovals like this

0
0
0

then quickly scribbled three lines in like an N would do

0
N
0
N

like that but touching :P
i noticed i forgot to finish the seat of the swing, whoops :P
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Post by: suuper-san on January 29, 2013, 11:01:34 AM
havnt uploaded anything in a while, mostly as i have been copying stuff i dont really fell it counts as my own work. heres a few faces

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zpsc13eaed9-1_zpscc38162e.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps420def3e.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 02, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
bit of colouring practise

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zps34ee575f.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on February 02, 2013, 12:03:27 PM
First time seeing your art, dont know why i missed your thread  :hmm:
And dude you can draw! your doing great with anatomy practices.
Im not a good critic, but this one:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps420def3e.jpg)

it looks professionally done. The only thing i find not quite right is the very narrow chin.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 02, 2013, 04:00:24 PM
thanks!
yeah every now and then i suddenly notice someone's thread and think why didnt i see it before :P theres lots out there, so dont worry about it!
yeah i think i started off with a pointy chin to see what would happen, normally the chins are more rounded and less steep lines. part of improving is by trying out new styles, so yeah :P
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Post by: Jamie on February 03, 2013, 01:42:45 AM
Good work

Very heartfelt, Jamie.

Nice job on the practice, Suuper. You're definitely making progress. I didn't quite see it before, but the chains are awesome. I was flabbergasted when I saw them; I couldn't do better. Your proportions are better, and your eyes definitely carry more depth. Keep it up!

Do you not like my compliments, dear?
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Post by: Corycaly on February 03, 2013, 05:40:31 AM
The last pictures are good. The boy needs corrections in the chin but the whole sketch is clean and precise. Keep drawing!
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Post by: suuper-san on February 03, 2013, 09:21:11 AM
@jamie i appreciated it :P if you notice anything wrong as well then feel free to mention it :P

@cory thanks, i personally didnt notice anything wrong with the chin so perhaps its just my style i wonder. i will work to improve it either way :P
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Post by: suuper-san on February 03, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
finally managed to do a okish coloured one. the pen lines leaked under the alcohol markers so it looks a lot more bluey than it should be. probably i will switch back to pencil now otherwise every drawing will get messed up :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zps4c3662ae.jpg)
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Post by: h_musick on February 03, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
wowowow! keep up the good work!
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Post by: DBNext on February 04, 2013, 02:07:04 AM
Its a bummer that the pen leaked, it looks great.
Just a tip, when you draw a face, place the drawing infront of a mirror, it'll help you see any uneven proportion.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 04, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
thanks i will try that mirror trick :P
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Post by: P4 on February 05, 2013, 12:58:21 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on February 08, 2013, 09:19:07 AM
thanks yes i will try some out when i have the money to buy some :P
yeah i was worried too about the nib getting a bit dirty, i will try and be more careful :P

latest stuff i did yesterday or something in about 50 mins, i was pretty high powered and think i did a pretty good job despite the sketchy style. the last one i did just now.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps1ccf020a.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps78c72fd2.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps5152afe5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsdbd47ac1.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM
latest and best digital i have ever done. i have learnt a lot about how to not do things, and probably if i did this again would take half the time to do it :P experience is really something lol

just as a note, she isnt crying, the hair is in a really stupid place my bad :P

k heres the original, adjusted (i couldnt see any colours on the first scan) and digital for comparison.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zpsdadc9c73.jpg) (http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps503a3ddc.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/8_zpsf94c7840.png)
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Post by: DBNext on February 10, 2013, 02:06:50 PM
lol i thought she was crying blood before you pointed it out :p
Anatomy is good ( especially the feet, these give me the most trouble ). The face is improved and looks a lot more symmetrical so good job on that  :thumbsup:
And i agree the digital one is your best work, looks a lot anime-like!
The only thing that stands out is the extended hand as not quite right. i think you should have added texture to show the inside of the hand if that makes any sense.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 10, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
thanks, another friend said it looked anime like, perhaps i am subconsciously aiming towards that style hmmmmmmm
lol crying blood - didnt see that as blood thats even worse lol :P
i see what you mean for the hand, you mean like the lines and stuff that make crinkles. i kinda forgot lol
but yeah i should have done that. next time i will do :P
its hard enough to actually draw a complete body with hands and feet, most of my stuff ends up like this:
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps6bf2d6b7.jpg)
the hands and feet just never quite make it to be drawn. since this is kinda holding me back now, i am trying to draw whole bodies a bit more than normal :P
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Post by: DBNext on February 10, 2013, 02:40:46 PM
yeah hands and feet are the hardest. Most artists complain about hands, and i used to shiver when i had to draw one :p but once you break the hand down into parts, it becomes easier. Kinda like this:

(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/538336_525043617535709_1025390244_n.jpg)

Hope that helps!
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Post by: suuper-san on February 10, 2013, 02:44:04 PM
thats actually quite helpful, thanks!
i am gonna work on hands and feet a lot more since thats basically the only thing i cant draw basically right (everything else i have a generic form i can draw)
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Post by: NationKay on February 10, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
The eyes are very well done.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 11, 2013, 08:51:39 AM
finally started the sketch survival

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps844afafb.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 13, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
next two days

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsf505235b.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zpsf13c22ec.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on February 13, 2013, 02:58:12 PM
the first one looks great, anatomy is almost there, you're improving  :thumbsup:
second one, the hands are way too small. A hand should be able to cover a face, it worked in the first one, but the second one they're too small.. or maybe the head's too big?
Nice touch with the scarf!
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Post by: suuper-san on February 14, 2013, 12:16:41 PM
thank,yeah i am having a bit of a problem getting the hand size right, i can almost draw the hands right now but they arent always the right size as you noticed :P

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Post by: DBNext on February 14, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
haha yeah hands are the toughest, no matter how hard you practice them they will still be a little tricky  :( But you're doing great at the moment so whatever you're doing, keep doing it :p
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Post by: suuper-san on February 14, 2013, 01:23:16 PM
latest

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsd19363f6.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 15, 2013, 11:15:07 AM
and again. this time i didnt move the paper while drawing, so everything i drew looking at it like it is. which is quite good practise for something i guess :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zps5f82627d.jpg)

doing the sketch survival forces me to do that extra bit every day so far its a good idea :P
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Post by: DBNext on February 15, 2013, 12:14:07 PM
Nice pose! it has a Kingdom Hearts vibe to it ( every one in Kingdom Hearts is always falling in your same pose ;p).
I cant find a lot of flaws, but the neck is moved back in an unrealistic way, but i think it has to do with the fact that you didnt move the paper while drawing it
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Post by: suuper-san on February 15, 2013, 12:15:41 PM
thanks!
yeah when i turned the paper round i was a bit annoyed at the neck being a bit wrong, but otherwise i was a bit proud of it :P not familiar with kingdom hearts, heard of it loads though.
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Post by: Liron-IL on February 17, 2013, 12:32:31 AM
The latest ones are very cool. I would say that the poses are mostly correct, which is good because this is the tough part. You maybe need to work a bit more on the individual parts (torso, hands, knees - I noticed these could use more work). Another thing, you make the hands small, which actually looks good in my opinion, so if thats what you are aiming for, don't change it (=

Otherwise great drawings, I think we might be at a similar level actually!
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Post by: suuper-san on February 17, 2013, 08:32:32 AM
well i am still trying to see what size hands are the best for me, DB thought they were too small and i think i agree a bit. i might still keep them small but a bit more realistic. i do want to be able to do realistic drawings eventually as well so it would be a good idea to get as close as possible :p

thanks, yes we are a bit similar skill but i think you finish your pieces to a higher level, most of mine are just sketches :P
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Post by: Norfür on February 17, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
Wow... these are... real good... If I may ask, how many thousand hours have you put in so far? (That digital version of the pic in reply 150 is superb, btw).
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Post by: suuper-san on February 17, 2013, 10:36:51 AM
thanks, i have no idea how much time i have spent drawing but ive been drawing for two years, the last 3 months almost constantly, so quite a bit :P
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Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2013, 12:20:46 PM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpse5ee05aa.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on February 18, 2013, 12:30:48 PM
 :ohmy: Thats a big leap from your simple sketches!  :thumbsup:
Hands are improved.
Oh and nice job on the folds. The folds on the pants could have been sharper though( you made them a little wavy )
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Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2013, 12:35:05 PM
ok i will try for sharper folds. until i see a reference pic that i can actually copy though, its mostly my imagination. since i spent longer drawing it it did turn out better than normal, thanks :P
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Post by: Darksquirrel on February 19, 2013, 01:15:12 PM
Is that the one you posted on Sketch survival?
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Post by: suuper-san on February 19, 2013, 03:13:18 PM
it is indeed.
i couldnt be bothered to post most of my sketch survival pics so i will only repost the good ones :P
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Post by: Chelleka on February 19, 2013, 03:39:04 PM
Those folds! *0*

Dang you've gotten better, Suuper! That looks really good!

Nice shading too!
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Post by: Norfür on February 19, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
Sounds like I've got a while to go then, hahaha...

This new one is just too cute... Especially loving her bangs. :3
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Post by: suuper-san on February 20, 2013, 06:04:25 AM
depends how much you do a day, and how organised you are at learning
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Post by: suuper-san on February 20, 2013, 06:32:02 AM
latest

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps1037edeb.jpg)
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Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2013, 06:41:01 AM
Nice, you can really keep your lines sharp huh. The girl's hand looks really weird though, she would've looked better off without it. The guy reminds me of a character from something i just can't quite remember.
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Post by: Norfür on February 20, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
depends how much you do a day, and how organised you are at learning

Which is to say, I'm very scatterbrained at the learning part. This should be fun. ^^;

Nice, you can really keep your lines sharp huh. The girl's hand looks really weird though, she would've looked better off without it. The guy reminds me of a character from something i just can't quite remember.

That guy from Hitman Reborn? At least, that's the first thing I thought of when I saw this. Nice job. :D
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Post by: Darksquirrel on February 20, 2013, 07:15:12 AM
Looks amazing compared to your first post.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 20, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
@lego well ironically its because i couldnt draw the hand that i did do it....if i only drew what i could already, then i wouldnt improve :P

not seen Hitman Reborn, will add to my mile long list of stuff to watch :P
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Post by: Ryan on February 20, 2013, 05:36:00 PM
My friend, you have done a lot of work and you have improved because of it. It appears that you have improved your sense of proportion, nicely done. Keep working hard at what you are doing. Continue looking into the creative sides of drawing. However, as time goes by you may want to consider learning some perspective. There are many applications of perspective, essentially you gain intuition by keeping in mind the horizon line(eye level). In some of your drawings the feet are poorly placed. Knowledge of perspective will tell you that more or less of the top of the foot will show depending on the horizon line. For perspective study I recommend Perspective Made Easy by Ernest Norling. Good luck!
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Post by: suuper-san on February 21, 2013, 01:58:46 AM
thanks!
yes the feet and hands i am working on to improve now :P
thanks for the recommendation :)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 22, 2013, 09:35:41 AM
a few good ones for a change :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps5855e266.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003f2_zps4afffb9c.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps44bb1201.jpg)
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Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2013, 10:24:19 AM
Whoa, that's a big improvement. What did you do differently?
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Post by: suuper-san on February 22, 2013, 11:19:40 AM
i finished the drawing........thats different :P

lol nah ermmmm i increased the amount of sugar in my diet......... (hmmm theres an idea)

lol nah seriously i have no idea, perhaps i have just increased in general knowledge of proportions etc to the level where i can draw generally better. i have been drawing almost every day for the last 3 months, trying to do minimum full A4 page a day, thats probably helped. while i have improved a lot, there is still loads to improve on, i think i am just gaining experience :P
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Post by: DBNext on February 22, 2013, 12:33:54 PM
Second one is near perfect and i can't see any thing wrong except for some very minor stuff. You've come far.

Third one is great, but its got a few stuff wrong me thinks. Boobs are waaaay too big for her proportion ( maybe thats a preference :p i tend to go with big boobs sometimes too :biggrin: ). Nice job with the far hand  :thumbsup:

First one, anatomy is good, but the hand is too small
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Post by: Daisetsu-bushido on February 22, 2013, 12:38:17 PM
You trully improved a lot since your first posts O.O. I'd recommend to focus more on hands because it's often one of the hardest parts in the whole drawing.
Drawing almost every day is very helpful in training but it's very hard to get this much motivation to do it O.O. But it's very good to see someone who actually got it and is still improving XD

Good luck!
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Post by: suuper-san on February 22, 2013, 01:24:37 PM
@DB thanks yeah the hands holding the sword were so hard i couldnt even finish the other one. i wasnt able to imagine what they would look like and couldnt even get it by drawing the simple shapes for the hand. ill take a picture of myself next time fo that pose :P ermmmm maybe she did have slightly large breasts dunno :P alhough i do try and vary the size i draw since everyone is different :P no comment on my preference :P

@dai thanks! yeah hands and feet are my main focus now, although i do draw a lot of full bodies, i still try and draw the hands now when before i didnt :)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 24, 2013, 04:25:31 PM
latest, done on an A3 (nearly to the edges so full A3)
i had to take a picture with a camera (cos i dont have an A3 scanner) so it doesnt look as good as real life :P
coloured with alcohol markers and outlined with some random black pen
also incidentally pretty much the first picture i have drawn with more than one person in it :P
drew them all barefoot to practise drawing feet :P
oh and i actually used pencil for a change :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0029_zps7dc12950.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on February 25, 2013, 07:38:24 AM
Nice choice of colors  :thumbsup:
Love the hair design of the redhead on the right
The only critic i have is for the middle one, her arms are kinda off
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Post by: suuper-san on February 25, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
thanks, yeah i notice what you mean on the arms :P
i tried to make all the hair and clothes different for each one but ran out of ideas, need to improve my clothes knowledge :P
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Post by: suuper-san on February 26, 2013, 03:02:50 PM
practising hands amongst other things, found a pack of coloured pens at work :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zpsfd618b96.jpg)
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Post by: Mancraw on February 28, 2013, 08:31:32 PM
...Damn, you've already been told many times but still you have improved greatly!
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Post by: P4 on March 02, 2013, 09:24:51 AM
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Post by: suuper-san on March 02, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
not too sure i understand. i dont try and make a V with the proportions but i might be doing it subconsciously :P
thanks for the tip i will try and watch out for it :P
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Post by: legomaestro on March 02, 2013, 10:38:39 AM
That A4 one really was particularly good. Maybe i should also use that sort of canvas in my digital drawings
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Post by: suuper-san on March 08, 2013, 12:24:14 PM
been a bit of a while since i added anything here, i am still drawing loads but its all reference stuff and fairly low level. heres what i drew in my free time at work:

both took 20 mins for lineart and 10 mins colouring with pencils, which made some of the black outlines and shadow look lighter so whoops :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps375e4c1d.jpg)

and a quick digital version of the girl, not much different tbh, but good practise :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsf1c0a21b.png)
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Post by: suuper-san on March 14, 2013, 11:55:02 AM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-3_zps9ef78de1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0007-2_zps567069bd.jpg)
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Post by: Chelleka on March 14, 2013, 03:45:34 PM
Nice! Love all the different expressions, drawing those are fun! The last girl that's waving looks really good, and you're doing a lot better with hands too.

(I like the the shading/coloring you did in the previous post too.)

The bust area is looking better as well, sometimes it looks like you draw the breasts a bit too high(?) Sorry if I worded that wrong. ^^''

But keep up the good work!
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Post by: suuper-san on March 14, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
thanks, will work on that :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 09, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
although i have been posting stuff on the sketch survival, i finally did one that i like enough to post here :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps9a81b094.jpg)
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Post by: lasthope2300 on April 09, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
nice i like the last girl in blue. great proportion! :D
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Post by: suuper-san on April 10, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsb46c060e.jpg)
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Post by: legomaestro on April 10, 2013, 02:37:20 PM
Like the designs your aiming at. Sharp pencil or pen?
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Post by: KagePen on April 11, 2013, 09:34:51 AM
They look awesome suuper-san! :santa: keep it up  :biggrin: I personally love the blue drawing  :dance:
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Post by: suuper-san on April 11, 2013, 11:21:44 AM
@lego biro/ballpoint pen as always :P

@zeal thanks, when a drawing has gone especially well i scan it in colour, so blue ones are usually some of my best :P

latest: i drew these on a train which was a new experience :P
i am surprised they came out as good as they did

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zpsc9c49d6b.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps78c3c9b3.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zpsce90e99d.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zps401c08c2.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-3_zpsd57b9aac.jpg)
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Post by: P4 on April 13, 2013, 09:52:54 AM
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Post by: suuper-san on April 13, 2013, 10:16:05 AM
thankyou, i have noticed i am drawing a lot more loosely now, it helps me as i try out new styles or structures.
i see what you mean about the pose, it is a bit hard to do. i need more work on drawing people from the side :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 21, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps8e4a598d.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on April 22, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpsc00f81c8.jpg)
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Post by: Darksquirrel on April 22, 2013, 04:21:41 PM
I lost a lot of blood just now, so this might not be accurate. Bloody brilliant, at least it's better than mine anyway  :blush: I think the gap between her legs on the first pic is a little wide, but I'm not sure. Either way, I don't think a wide crotch has ever stopped a good artist( Please don't misinterpret  that  :confused: )  :sheep:
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Post by: suuper-san on April 22, 2013, 06:07:07 PM
lol thanks, well i used reference when i drew these, i am doing a lot more drawing now trying to seriously move forward quickly :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 23, 2013, 11:28:20 AM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-3_zps33ee5b2e.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zpse97a9cf2.jpg)

and just coloured:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0008f_zpsa8580b07.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on April 30, 2013, 01:06:24 PM
Since i dont update frequently anymore, heres just a general day of work that i do: today i produced a bit more than normal but basically i do this much every day:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps668e5026.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zpscacf6bbe.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zpsf66a1207.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zps3a311cd1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-3_zpsb5a2d6fa.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-3_zpsc431bc4d.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0007-2_zps5c9aa504.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0008-1_zps4964a2c0.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0009-1_zps13d66bce.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0010-1_zps3b417794.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0011-1_zps1c7d5b5b.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0012-1_zps798f60e2.jpg)
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Post by: Darksquirrel on April 30, 2013, 01:23:27 PM
Woah. That's a lot of practice you got there...
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Post by: suuper-san on April 30, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
indeed :P
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Post by: Darksquirrel on April 30, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
Just began doodling myself. Usually just do guidelines/basic shapes while performing whatever basic tasks I perform( Usually just doodle during League matchmaking). I suppose it makes it a lot easier in the long run, and helps develop more anatomical understanding.
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Post by: P4 on May 01, 2013, 11:59:03 AM
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Post by: suuper-san on May 01, 2013, 12:37:13 PM
@squirrel yeah it does help in the long run, i think :P

@p4 i occasionally do do that, its quite a pick me up if i feel down. but then i look at someone elses work and its miles ahead again...back to drawing :P
yeah i tried to get the same level of contrast, it just didnt go as well. as im not used to the colours etc i wanst sure if it would be too dark, and then it lightened up as it dried. i was too scared to try and fix it :P
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Post by: suuper-san on May 02, 2013, 05:07:55 PM
There will be a lot of posts this month, i joined hannahs contest here (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,7818.0.html). whether all i post will be counted i dont know :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps1fefed43.jpg)

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Post by: DBNext on May 03, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
You're getting better at proportions, especially with the female bodies. Hands are a lot better too
You should start doing dynamic drawings, like people in action and from different perspectives!
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Post by: suuper-san on May 03, 2013, 07:37:02 PM
thanks
yeah im starting to work towards that now, using a larger range of poses and perspecitves. its a lot of stuff to do, the more i learn the more i see i have to learn :P
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Post by: suuper-san on May 07, 2013, 03:42:44 PM
latest stuff from my holiday etc

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps48c4268e.jpg)

i pressed so hard on the last picture i was able to go over it with a pencil :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps7e294654.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps14f0ff11.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004-4_zps76f3fff5.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-3_zps3dc2a309.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005-3_zpsd565ef6a.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0007-2_zps0be13849.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0008-1_zps5da346fe.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on May 07, 2013, 03:54:26 PM
Awesome work man, really liking the different poses !
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Post by: suuper-san on May 09, 2013, 04:17:23 PM
thanks, im trying to add more poses to my list ythat i can draw. its hard :P @_@

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0009-1_zps7c479739.jpg)
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Post by: P4 on May 09, 2013, 06:32:41 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on May 10, 2013, 03:52:46 PM
yes for a lot of the poses i draw with no reference. its faster but more error if i have never seen what i am trying to draw. i am trying to correct that with more reference but on the go i cant always do that.
and thanks :P

EDIT:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0010-1_zps21c63b30.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on May 12, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0012-1_zps67034a15.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on May 14, 2013, 03:58:36 PM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0001-8_zps3bea0b02.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002-7_zps955e875a.jpg)
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Post by: P4 on May 14, 2013, 06:10:48 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on May 15, 2013, 12:32:23 PM
thanks, i think i get what you mean about the pose. trouble was i already got up to the waist before i even thought about the hands :P
true about the ripples, didnt think about that :P
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Post by: Darksquirrel on May 15, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Great work with the clothes, you're making nice progress. Considered designing your own characters yet, or just sketching for the fun of it?
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Post by: suuper-san on May 16, 2013, 05:06:56 PM
hmmmm havnt really thought about making characters much. usually i just draw, probably first i will do fan art stuff to get used to drawing a character, then make my own up:P

latest:
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003-5_zps6c60c7d2.jpg)
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Post by: Jamie on May 16, 2013, 05:45:46 PM
Nice little scribble! :)
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Post by: suuper-san on May 19, 2013, 04:34:08 PM
thanks:P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006-3_zpsb5801d99.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on May 20, 2013, 05:51:44 PM
latest:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0007-2_zps2b989cab.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0008-1_zpsf4e32887.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0009-1_zps8ca5b843.jpg)

and while i was at it, i took a picture of all my manga, at least all my japanese manga that is :P
i havnt read too many of them though :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/SANY0019_zpsff51b99d.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on May 24, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
Ive just noticed: You've never drawn a guy  :ohmy:
Good improvement with anatomy though
Hands need more work but bodies are very well done
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Post by: suuper-san on May 24, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
lol that is very correct :P
i am trying to draw guys more but it doesnt always happen :P

latest:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0012-1_zps5706a193.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on May 25, 2013, 12:08:13 PM
haha well girls are the hardest, once you master drawing them, guys become easy
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Post by: suuper-san on May 25, 2013, 03:58:20 PM
thats somewhat what i was hoping for :P
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Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
first time using screentones - made my own from tracing paper :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0024f_zpsbe9d628e.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on June 07, 2013, 12:38:36 PM
another screentone test
this method seems fairly workable, i will probably make a manga using this method in the future perhaps :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0026-1_zps9a4c7bd5.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on June 07, 2013, 02:07:45 PM
Good luck on your manga
I think you've got a pretty good grasp on the anatomy by now
The only thing i would recommend is to work on your facial expressions.. Maybe its just me but they seem a bit pointy at the chin?
Either way keep it up!
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Post by: suuper-san on June 07, 2013, 03:24:54 PM
yes the pointy chin is kinda my style, although i will try a mix of less pointy chins at some point. basically i go around each area of skill getting better at each bit, now i'm better at anatomy i might go back to the face and improve that etc
although i am starting to get to the level where i can almost draw what i want for each picture (or at least get close), so i might start my manga soon, or at least try drawing in panels for a bit :P
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Post by: DBNext on June 08, 2013, 05:49:33 AM
If you're also good at backgrounds and scenery, then you're ready ( these take the most time to practice and kill me every time  :sadbye: )
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Post by: suuper-san on June 08, 2013, 08:44:15 AM
ahhhh, i forgot about those :P
thanks for the reminder, i will have to work on those as well :P
there goes another year of my life learning to draw buildings :P
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Post by: Jamie on June 08, 2013, 10:42:11 AM
I agree with DBN. Need manga now.
Also, pointy chins are cool, Code geass man!

Mfw you're probably going to make a manga before me, and it's going to have stronger anatomy than me.
Spoiler
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/OhCrapCodeGeass.jpg)
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Post by: DBNext on June 08, 2013, 11:21:36 AM
lol forgot about Lelouch
I guess pointy chins are a style
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Post by: suuper-san on June 08, 2013, 05:50:07 PM
finished up the previous picture
i also noticed that the ink does start to rub off the tracing paper, so next time i need to make sure the ink side is facing down so it cant smudge :P
i also noticed i forgot to outline the hair again :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG-8_zps8d19dc2c.jpg)
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Post by: P4 on June 08, 2013, 07:30:03 PM
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Post by: suuper-san on June 09, 2013, 08:45:32 AM
@p4 the side of the tracing paper does not matter, as far as visual goes, however, since it is tracing paper, the ink doesnt stick very well to it (i used a laser printer), so if you lean on it, it can start to smudge if its the wrong side up. hope that helps :P

i will start working on background design since i havnt done too much on it ever, maybe do a one shot like P4 suggested. while i have a few ideas in my head, they are much longer term projects. i could do like a random scene from it of course for practise, starting to get excited now :P

@p4 oh regarding the outline, yes it is grey because the tracing paper was over the line, but i actually forgot to edit the picture, by turning it into black and white (not greyscale). here is the result that i should have uploaded the first time:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG2_zpsbe3467a1.jpg)

its a bit rubbish because the pen lines were all over the place etc, but if you were resally careful when drawing and also when applying screentone, then it would turn out a lot better (like the previous one i did with the checkered skirt)
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Post by: suuper-san on August 11, 2013, 10:11:56 AM
SKETCH DUMP!

decided it was worth it to take pictures of the manga, since scanning takes a lot of time, even if my scanner was working :P
just all the work i did on holiday. spoilers cos theres a lot. chronological by the way.

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M1_zps4141f392.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M1_zps4141f392.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M2_zps6740d4f6.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M2_zps6740d4f6.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M3_zps8d744fc5.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M3_zps8d744fc5.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M4_zpsa18f2d39.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M4_zpsa18f2d39.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M5_zps3ce1673d.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M5_zps3ce1673d.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M6_zps90f79785.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M6_zps90f79785.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M7_zps3d2d21db.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M7_zps3d2d21db.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M8_zpsfa034eed.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M8_zpsfa034eed.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M9_zpsd90e11fc.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M9_zpsd90e11fc.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M10_zps31cd3d15.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M10_zps31cd3d15.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M11_zps9a9c82c4.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M11_zps9a9c82c4.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M12_zps93fe6330.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M12_zps93fe6330.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M13_zpsb0918bde.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M13_zpsb0918bde.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M14_zps0999e769.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M14_zps0999e769.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M15_zps7049104b.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M15_zps7049104b.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M16_zps97c243c1.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M16_zps97c243c1.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M17_zpsf23ddfc4.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M17_zpsf23ddfc4.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M18_zpsb185f7a6.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M18_zpsb185f7a6.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/H_M19_zps23210639.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/H_M19_zps23210639.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 11, 2013, 10:12:31 AM
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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 14, 2013, 01:21:38 PM
and my scanner fixed itself randomly i have no idea what was wrong
pretty sure this happened before, it might be my computer :P
just the good ones scanned in again, some are a bit big but i cant be bothered to resize them :P

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Callesthe on August 14, 2013, 04:51:08 PM
Hey wow, you draw a lot! Since you helped me already and gave some critiques I thought I'd return the favour! Very good work I must say, I love to see sketches, most of the time prefer them over really finished work..General anatomy looks okay, but be sure to take practice in that as well as drawing a lot. You would improve so rapidly i can't even imagine, if half of what you draw daily now was real anatomy study! A few general pointers in the right direction:

What i notice is that when you draw a face, you make the chin and jawline very pointy. Whereas pointy chin can be easily found in a lot of manga styles, most of the time it's a tad rounded. But that's up to you. Though, the jawline, so where the jaws joint is, you could try to make it more gradual. The first drawing you made is a good example, more like that!
If I could suggest, I would be looking at the armpits. They are quite high right now in your drawings, and there should be more room between collarbone and armpit!
Also breasts remember, aren't straight at their sides. (look at picture 5, 6, 7 for example) They curve slightly inwards at top and bottom. Again first drawing shows the best in this. They also don't protrude sidewards when in front view. keep that in mind!
If you colour, do you shade as well? All these drawings are coloured with base colours, and I don't see shades. Maybe that's something to add next time?

You might have guessed, but the first one is my favorite ^__^ keep all that drawing up! p.s. if any of this wasn't clear, i can provide redlines tomorrow. If you have special preferences what drawing to take to give long critique on and redline, you can also say. I'm happy to help~!
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Post by: suuper-san on August 16, 2013, 02:56:41 AM
thanks :P
yeah i dont really do much real life anatomy study. while i was on holiday i didnt have access to anything other than people walking by so i just randomly drew :P probably need to do some more :P

yeah my faces are quite stylised, im currently working on improving them now with a bit more realism :P
well shading with pens is a pain, i tend to stick to base colours most of the time. the faded jeans is about the best i can do with ball point pens at the moment, otherwise yeah i normally do shade stuff

since you offered to explain in detail i will take you up on the offer. i didnt fully understand what you meant with the breasts, i dont see much difference in the first picture and the rest. thanks for your help :P
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Post by: suuper-san on August 19, 2013, 04:30:32 PM
first time ever drawing a character using my own style and drawing actually from reference only.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0012_zps87d21811.jpg)
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Post by: Thy Obsessive Freak on August 19, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
Hey-ho, just paying back the favour, plus wanting to practice giving art critique cause I might as well.

Anyways, honestly do like the style you've gone with Suuper, sort of the style I wanted to go with. Might get there eventually but who knows. But anyways focusing. What I like most about your art is the clothes. It just looks like such a fit, the character really is wearing them to me, what with the folds and how their joined. That and I like their hair, perspectives and legs.

Though I do have some issues. The eyes the biggest to me. They just don't seem like your own eyes, as in they just don't suit the style. This is me speaking from my own opinion (I haven't looked over what other people have been telling you). I guess maybe if they weren't so strongly shaded/detailed then rest of your characters that might sorted it, but heck remember, I'm an amateur. Another issue I had while looking over, was the back. Just on occasions didn't seem like the character could, you know, hold her back. Again this is just my opinion, so I could be wrong.

Hope I haven't been too harsh or anything... I'm just more use to telling people off for their literature rather than their drawings.
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Post by: emerqency on August 19, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
i love your drawings omgggggggg  ;D
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Post by: Callesthe on August 20, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
Ahh the new drawing is looking very good! I like it a lot, so cute :3
Finally after a busy weekend I'm back, so I just read your reply, I'm sorry..
I'd be very interested in your shading, that would be cool to see.
As promised a quick redline on the breasts is here:

(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x410/mysterycookie1/IMG_0018_zps982cd9a3.png) (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/mysterycookie1/media/IMG_0018_zps982cd9a3.png.html)

I hope this clears things up!
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Post by: suuper-san on August 20, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
@callesthe thanks for pointing that out, i see what you mean. yeah i tend to do that a lot :P

@thy obsessive freak
thanks for your comment!
i will have a shot at making the eyes less heavily shaded and see how that looks :P
but i had one question, what did you mean by
Just on occasions didn't seem like the character could, you know, hold her back.
i cant wrap my head around what thats supposed to mean at all, sorry :P
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Post by: Thy Obsessive Freak on August 20, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
Whoops, I meant to say fold, so embarrassing  :blush: , should be more careful sometimes.
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Post by: DBNext on August 28, 2013, 01:16:55 PM
I saw a male drawing in one of your sketches and thought i was in the wrong gallery XD
I think you've got the female anatomy almost mastered, now try to put them in action
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Post by: suuper-san on August 28, 2013, 01:20:48 PM
lol i know i dont draw guys that much, but i didnt realise it was that noticeable though :P
yeah even as we speak i am working towards a manga (i am happy with the level of anatomy i am at now to make a manga, even though its not as good as i would like) but it wont be ready for a bit longer. i might start off with a 4-koma cos they are great, but i dont know if i can make them funny :P
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Post by: DBNext on August 28, 2013, 02:00:27 PM
I guess 4-komas are a good practice.. What i do is pick a scene from my story and randomly draw pages
But anyway can't wait to see what you come up with
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Post by: suuper-san on August 28, 2013, 04:55:00 PM
that was my other plan, the random pages :P
probably in a week or so i will try something, but it wont be pleasant :P
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Post by: TiNoSa on August 29, 2013, 09:25:07 PM
Whoa, you draw a lot! o_o
I need to be inspired by you and practice more! D:

Nice drawings, it seems you like something more "moe" ^^
Your sketches are very cool, and they seem very natural. I liked the clothes, the hair, the eyes, the faces in general. Your characters are cute.
But I'd love to see a recent finished work too, someday. Maybe I could give a more proper feedback ^^

Keep up the good work! ;D


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Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2013, 06:12:17 AM
lol finished work..................yeah need to do one :P
i spend all my time doing sketches and quick studies that i forget to do finished things :P
i will try and do one today!
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Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
ended up doing someting completely different because my dad wanted to learn how to use GIMP

it took me about 3 hours, most of which i was pointing at my dads laptop telling him how to do stuff :P

made by tracing with mouse using smooth stroke in GIMP, then just colour picker to paint areas of the right colour, then blur and smudge to clean it up. for a first of this kind of painting im fairly pleased with the outcome, both in terms of digital art and the depth of the picture itself.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Harrison-Ford-blue_zps794370e9.png)

heres the reference if you cant tell who it is, or just want to see what i copied.
Spoiler
If you guessed Harrison Ford then you are right!
(http://www.atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Harrison-Ford-blue.jpg)
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Post by: TiNoSa on August 30, 2013, 03:24:48 PM
I guessed Harrison Ford! I was right! xD
You father likes to draw, too?

Being your first time making this kind of painting and spending only 3 hours, I guess it's very nice (I could even guess who it was) ^^
If you want to follow the path of realistic painting, there are some pretty nice tutorials at DeviantArt where you can learn blending techniques and tricks to imitate the skin texture (with its imperfections included). I'm not very good at realistic painting and I don't know exactly how GIMP works, so I can't give you very useful advices, but I know that realistic style may vary from artist to artist. I know one who likes to give his drawings a very smooth appearance similar to yours, while some prefer a less smooth style (the most common). I believe that the less smooth style helps our eyes to focus more easily on the drawing.
You can also go through semi-realistic first, which I think is also a very beautiful style (and you can keep anime-ish features of characters more easily).

Anyway, as I said, for a first time, it's very cool  :thumbsup:
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Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2013, 03:32:14 PM
awesome, glad to know its recognisable :P
yeah i get my artisticness from both my dad and my mum, although my dad is more active and does drawing and stuff every now and then
i based my painting style off random video tutorials i have seen in the past and tried to remember what they did :P
bu yeah id love to do superbly realistic ones like you said with skin texture, but for when i do anime pictures i want to be able to do that smooth look, so i will have a look around the tutorials like you said. probably i will be doing more stuff like this for the next few weeks :P
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Post by: TiNoSa on August 30, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
awesome, glad to know its recognisable :P
yeah i get my artisticness from both my dad and my mum, although my dad is more active and does drawing and stuff every now and then
i based my painting style off random video tutorials i have seen in the past and tried to remember what they did :P
bu yeah id love to do superbly realistic ones like you said with skin texture, but for when i do anime pictures i want to be able to do that smooth look, so i will have a look around the tutorials like you said. probably i will be doing more stuff like this for the next few weeks :P
Cool! My mother used to draw when she was younger, but not anymore =(

Ok! You can check out sakimichan's works later. She's very famous on DA because of her gorgeous realistic style and I remember that she made a tutorial explaining her technique ;]
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Post by: suuper-san on August 31, 2013, 11:05:54 AM
thanks, i had a look specifically at sakimichan and some other people, i have indeed learned a lot again. it will take a while before all this starts coming together though :P
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Post by: suuper-san on August 31, 2013, 12:46:49 PM
latest digital
definitely need more practise :P
couldnt get to grips with the tablet either, its a bit stretched so all my lines get skewed a bit :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2013-08-31_zps5b93cfbc.png)
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Post by: TiNoSa on September 01, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
Haha, I had to google "get to grips with" to know what this idiomatic expression means, haha (now I know a new one xD).

How long have you been using the tablet?
And in what style do you want to color this latest drawing? It looks like soft cel shading =)
If you want to try this one, there are some pretty good tutorials out there, too. I've tried this coloring style in my drawings sometimes ^^

Now, as for the colors you used, I think that if you change some of them to reddish tones, they'll look better. I'm not an expert at color theory, this is something I learned from experience, and since I'm not very good at explaining with words, I used some images to be easier for you to understand the tip: http://imageshack.us/a/img541/7025/74cg.png

Sorry for the poor editing and for using inappropriate words to describe some things. On top of that, my crazy computer didn't want to cooperate with me and my tablet, so I had to use the mouse to draw some things, but I hope it's understandable.
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Post by: suuper-san on September 02, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
apologies, but if there is meant to be a noticeable difference between the pictures i cannot see it. this is because i am colourblind, which when trying to colour stuff is a real pain.
but thanks for your efforts though i will try and put more red in my drawings, but i wont notice too much :P

i have been using the tablet for about 2 days :P
i was going for a realistic-ish shading but realised i have no idea how to do it, thats why it looks like soft cel-shading :P

yeah im full of idioms and stuff :P
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Post by: TiNoSa on September 02, 2013, 01:22:12 PM
Oh, I didn't know about it, I'm sorry D:
I'm thinking about what method could help you in this case... Hm, some people start painting in grayscale and add colors later on, but I guess it wouldn't help much because you'd have to deal with them at a later stage.
One option would be using a custom color palette countaining some colors you can't differentiate (for example, some reddish and greenish tones). But I guess you don't need to worry too much about colors now, and to make a palette, well, it's better after you've experimented until you find what colors you use more, and what colors you like the most ^^
Anyway, feel free to ask me if there's a specific tone you want to know what color it is =)

Ohh, 2 days only, that's why. It takes some time to get used to it, haha, this is completely normal xD
As for the shading style, I think this is normal, too. I guess it's because the realistic style is one of the most difficult, so it's almost impossible to achieve great results in the first times.
When I attempted this style, my main problems were:
- lack of anatomy / coloring / light and shadow knowledge
- poor blending skills
In my last realistic attempt, the boy wasn't looking like a human, but a Nendoroid (you know the little anime figures?), hahaha. Even the skin looked like it was made of resin, not human skin, lol. And I couldn't fix it, so it's unfinished here xD
Unfortunately, the only help I can give you about this style is recommend you tutorials because I couldn't get to grips with this style yet... (I hope I used the idiom correctly, hehe).

Idioms are very useful, I wish I knew more. In English courses, they're very required xD
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Post by: suuper-san on September 02, 2013, 03:54:55 PM
lol dont worry about it. the only time i really notice it is when i am colouring and i think "what colours go together?" and then im like lol
yeah fortunately its not like i cant see all shades, so what i do is pick a colour i do know, usually a solid red/green i can see, then make it darker or lighter, but if it hits a shade that i get confused with then i just have to trust it :P

yeah thats what i have problems with, anatomy and general blending/shading techniques :P

heres my latest attempt, its more that i am getting used to the graphics tablet rather than anything else
the anatomy is all over the place though :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2013-09-02_zpse1e65bc4.png)

PS ive started recording my drawings since its on digital so heres it anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRpOOp0oUsE
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Post by: TiNoSa on September 02, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
Oh, I understand... But as I said, if you need help with identifying the colors, feel free to ask ^^

As for your drawing, you forgot something very important!!!
Spoiler
The signature  :dance:

UAHSAHUS! I've just watched the video. You're already drawing pretty well, the control of your lines seems to have increased now. I believe you'll get used to the tablet really soon ^^

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Post by: suuper-san on September 03, 2013, 01:24:21 PM
i had been thinking about a signature actually :P
i have do have one that was based off my initials, and one that uses my other username from other places (flawlessparadox). ill post them some time and see what you think :P
it doesnt really matter what it is though does it?
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Post by: suuper-san on September 03, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Latest
decent page and a chibi

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0011_zpsc4b7e5fa.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0012_zps7eba8e05.jpg)
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Post by: suuper-san on September 05, 2013, 03:59:44 PM
aaaaaaand digitalised :P
really badly might i add :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2013-09-05_zpsb45de819.png)
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Post by: Lumaria on September 05, 2013, 04:47:08 PM
i perefer the drawn ones over the digital.
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Post by: Zealapeal on September 05, 2013, 06:23:01 PM
I thought the digital one actually looked quite nice...
A tick sloppy, but nothing a bit of time cleaning up can't fix.

Reminded me of those Japanese company mascots that they'll have on posters or particular products.

(http://www.tubbygaijin.co.uk/mascots.jpg)
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Post by: Lumaria on September 05, 2013, 06:34:14 PM
doesn't remind me of that one bit. maybe because those mascots aren't trying to be manga-esque
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Post by: suuper-san on September 06, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
hmmmm i see what you mean, but i agree with lorenx i dont know if they are trying to be manga or not
although in the most general sense of the word it is all manga :P

latest:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0002_zpsa48139b1.jpg)

AND digitalised. gonna start learning form the pro ditigal artists and grab some tips and drawing techniques so mine dont fail so badly :P

still not used to my tablet, pen and paper is so hard to get away from :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2013-09-06_zpsdb1eb093.png)
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Post by: TiNoSa on September 06, 2013, 10:20:31 PM
Ahh, now I get it! So you're still thinking about a signature.
Take your time, then. I hope you can choose a nice name =)
In my case I didn't even wondered how I would sign my drawings. From the start, I new it was going to be TiNoSa, haha. I just sign with my real name when my parents request a drawing (like that Japanese Boy in my OC gallery).

Your new drawings are pretty cute! I can see that your lineart is getting "steady" (idk if this is the right word) xD
Next time, you can try to add some shading ;]
Oh, and I like the traditional versions as well!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: suuper-san on September 07, 2013, 08:25:29 AM
i prefer the traditional one totally :P

as for a signature
i have it down to these two,circled in the picture
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003_zpseaeaa918.jpg
basically one is just a stylised R which is my name Richard, the other is my full initials. i might switch between the two depending on my seriousness :P but they are virtually unreadable :P

regarding shading, i am learning about colouring and blending right now so soon i will have learnt some awesome stuff i hope :P
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Post by: suuper-san on September 08, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Todays work: did a bit so thought i'd share it all :P
some referenced :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0004_zps2d390811.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0005_zps52b5c5be.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0006_zps8a6f90a1.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0007_zpsd005ea9e.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0008_zps3d2de773.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0009_zpsaeeac891.jpg)
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Post by: B9F8 on September 08, 2013, 04:56:25 PM
Seems like you need more inspiration.

Here you go: http://tinyurl.com/6pn5vvv

You should log onto skype more often. :D
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Post by: suuper-san on September 09, 2013, 09:07:40 AM
consider me inspired :P
thanks for that though really i was a bit low on inspiration :P
oh yeah i keep forgetting 'bout skype :P
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Post by: suuper-san on September 10, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
latest:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0013_zpsaf9e783e.jpg)
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Post by: hebekie on September 11, 2013, 07:22:38 AM
I can definitely see a ongoing improvement.
Good job! In only a few months you have become tons better.

If only i had the motivation to draw that much xD
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Post by: TiNoSa on September 15, 2013, 08:05:33 PM
i prefer the traditional one totally :P

as for a signature
i have it down to these two,circled in the picture
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/IMG_0003_zpseaeaa918.jpg
basically one is just a stylised R which is my name Richard, the other is my full initials. i might switch between the two depending on my seriousness :P but they are virtually unreadable :P

regarding shading, i am learning about colouring and blending right now so soon i will have learnt some awesome stuff i hope :P
I see. The second one reminds me of an unfinished General Eletric's logo somehow xD
Have you already chosen between the two?

Now, as for your last drawings: good job! This last one girl reminds me of Miku a bit. Pretty cute ^^
I also wish I had your motivation to draw this much XD
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Post by: suuper-san on September 16, 2013, 04:40:29 PM
i see what you mean about general electric, ive not seen it yet in the UK so i had to look it up :P
i went for the more complex signature, more is better i figured :P
yes miku goes through my mind a fair bit when drawing characters with long hair :P
lol i wouldnt have said i had that much motivation, but really recently its been going up loads :P

oh and latest: bit of gimp work, learning to shade and stuff. ignore the shadow :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2013-09-16_zps2c67916f.png)
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Post by: P4 on October 03, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
user retired
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Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
"Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 565 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic."

THIS IS MY TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
unless it would be better to create a new topic? since i have revived?

but since i am back, i will be posting some of my latest drawings. just to get in the swing here are some older new ones :P

these are like the worst of my best ones. i dont want to post anything "good good" until i have been back for a bit :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2014-12-19G_0015_zps7vx21jth.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2014-12-19G_0015_zps7vx21jth.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2014-12_0062_zpsgyfiknrr.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2014-12_0062_zpsgyfiknrr.jpg.html)
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Post by: Icanttakecritiscism on August 06, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
Maybe I haven't been reading enough manga with kids in them, but they both look like I could snap their arms and legs off like twigs. Also, the first one hs huge breasts.

Maybe I'm just not into the whole loli thing though (not saying you are either)...
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Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
hahaha, no thats just i'm not good enough at drawing yet lol
since most mangas and animes are school aged characters, my characters tend to look younger than adult, but my poor skills mess it up occasionally lol
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Post by: suuper-san on August 12, 2015, 04:58:09 PM
some more older drawings. these are the last from the end of 2014. I will post some more recent stuff real soon

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0061_zpsynsxyzgw.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0061_zpsynsxyzgw.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0008_zpspyl8zs33.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0008_zpspyl8zs33.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0038_zpsfyiyilri.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0038_zpsfyiyilri.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0053_zpsq9aendop.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0053_zpsq9aendop.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0049_zpsyafzxyce.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0049_zpsyafzxyce.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0054_zpsdqwf6bbb.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0054_zpsdqwf6bbb.jpg.html)


BONUS:

all the sketches i had to sort through from the beginning of this year to now, plus the pens i used up recently
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/DSC03923_zpsqj2bw9tx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/DSC03923_zpsqj2bw9tx.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/DSC03925_zpsnzyndxfz.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/DSC03925_zpsnzyndxfz.jpg.html)

i will have to start sketch survival soon, probably when this week ends, i have a hectic schedule at the moment :P
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Post by: Nekonomicon on August 13, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
Join the 20 sketches challenge too! If you draw that much in a year, you'll be good at it!
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Post by: MK on August 13, 2015, 04:59:57 PM
He might beat you if he joined Neko
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Post by: Nekonomicon on August 15, 2015, 07:23:45 AM
He might beat you if he joined Neko

:3 Guess I'll have to draw more then O.o
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Post by: suuper-san on August 15, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Thanks for letting me know. i will have a look. i love a challenge :P

edit:forgot to add my drawings :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/IMG_0059_zpsbqwztxen.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/IMG_0059_zpsbqwztxen.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0059a_zpsxcfr66b3.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0059a_zpsxcfr66b3.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0005_zpszgw9kzjx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0005_zpszgw9kzjx.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0006_zps0r9edfav.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0006_zps0r9edfav.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0004_zpswfdxrpxm.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0004_zpswfdxrpxm.jpg.html)

bonus:
Spoiler
heres one that would have been good if i didnt mess the face up so badly. i was focusing so much on the clothes i kinda forgot about head proportions and stuff like that :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0047_zps5ylfv0bl.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12_0047_zps5ylfv0bl.jpg.html)

and finally, when i got a fineliner pen i was like hahaha now i can draw manga, then drew this as a test. theres not any story behind it, i think :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0001_zpsw5uvlonx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0001_zpsw5uvlonx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 18, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
next latest lot, starting to get into early 2015. sorry if there are any duplicate photos i get a bit disorganized when i scan in stuff :P

Spoiler

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0058_zpsjknuymcj.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0058_zpsjknuymcj.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0054_zpsaq2xejrn.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0054_zpsaq2xejrn.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0040_zps5xr1b3l8.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0040_zps5xr1b3l8.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0050_zpsk2unyrjo.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0050_zpsk2unyrjo.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0055a_zpslgstf0hl.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0055a_zpslgstf0hl.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0049_zpsgnnpgkdr.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0049_zpsgnnpgkdr.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0007%20-%20Copy_zpsw24yssre.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0007%20-%20Copy_zpsw24yssre.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0017_zpscbujsyxh.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0017_zpscbujsyxh.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/IMG_0042_zpsrffzydse.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/IMG_0042_zpsrffzydse.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0051_zpsregkbqwc.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0051_zpsregkbqwc.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0059_zpsyn7btxgf.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0059_zpsyn7btxgf.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: DAWM on August 19, 2015, 02:48:06 PM
I really like that background hallway!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 20, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
thanks, thats one of my best backgrounds! i have a better one that i will post soon :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Vio on August 20, 2015, 05:28:47 PM
These are some nice sketches and drawings you've made. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2015, 05:43:05 AM
thanks Vio

here is everything up to date now, sort of organised

Normal Stuff
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0018_zps7xzvsppw.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0018_zps7xzvsppw.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0021_zpseh3qxqvg.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0021_zpseh3qxqvg.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0022_zpsgvlwryuv.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0022_zpsgvlwryuv.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0023_zpsaqnj9jvx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0023_zpsaqnj9jvx.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0024_zpsr6javgpj.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0024_zpsr6javgpj.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0027_zpsbf8bbspp.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0027_zpsbf8bbspp.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0028_zpscpqmt6yu.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0028_zpscpqmt6yu.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0045_zpstxejpkyw.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0045_zpstxejpkyw.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0050_zpsou1dby52.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0050_zpsou1dby52.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0052_zpsuvmhunyr.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0052_zpsuvmhunyr.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0053_zpsnnqd3nbp.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0053_zpsnnqd3nbp.jpg.html)

Good Stuff
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0007_zpsdlnosgbr.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0007_zpsdlnosgbr.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0016_zpscaltzytm.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12-19G_0016_zpscaltzytm.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0046_zpscdyn8mm2.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0046_zpscdyn8mm2.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_zpsfhxt4ykx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_zpsfhxt4ykx.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0026_zpsaq6jzhdx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0026_zpsaq6jzhdx.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0034_zpsvmkc1po5.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0034_zpsvmkc1po5.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0042_zpso2sck8q0.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0042_zpso2sck8q0.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0043_zpssqjqfjez.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0043_zpssqjqfjez.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0044_zpsgrsepylo.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0044_zpsgrsepylo.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0047_zpsipezotqe.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0047_zpsipezotqe.jpg.html)

Backgroundy Stuff
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0041_zpsezublcu4.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0041_zpsezublcu4.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0037%20-%20Copy_zpsbmlnjmpx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0037%20-%20Copy_zpsbmlnjmpx.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0039_zpskg5kbwni.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0039_zpskg5kbwni.jpg.html)

Wierd :P
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0029_zpsbed0scho.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0029_zpsbed0scho.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0033_zpsvrhjvffb.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0033_zpsvrhjvffb.jpg.html)

Digital!
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-06-28%201.png_zpspbkwgk5t.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2015-06-28%201.png_zpspbkwgk5t.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201507081724-1.png_zpske9nverc.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201507081724-1.png_zpske9nverc.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201507101916.png_zps6dvzjdki.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201507101916.png_zps6dvzjdki.jpeg.html)

Bonus
My first manga page I found a while ago (no story just the random one page)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0057_zpsiuetdggo.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2014-12_0057_zpsiuetdggo.jpg.html)

Oh i posted my one-shot manga here (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,14499.0.html) if you want to have a look

Bonus Bonus - How I made my manga
Start off with sketch (only picture i had of it) the left picture
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/01a_zpsgurqtvw4.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/01a_zpsgurqtvw4.jpg.html)
Sketch Border lines - Notice i am using paper with a faint template on it - Made my own and printed it.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/01_zpsbw9mppts.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/01_zpsbw9mppts.jpg.html)
And ink in panel lines (if you have speech bubbles that overlap draw these as well - i forgot and had to crop them :(
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/02_zpsh2s0sdhv.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/02_zpsh2s0sdhv.jpg.html)
Following your sketch again draw the characters and story and whatever (blue pencil means you dont have to erase it for scanning!)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/03_zpsb62mv9z2.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/03_zpsb62mv9z2.jpg.html)
And ink your sketch. I used a random Staedtler Fineliner - Use whatever you have
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/04_zpsbpzkmzqu.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/04_zpsbpzkmzqu.jpg.html)
Rinse and Repeat
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/05_zpsgfrwspny.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/05_zpsgfrwspny.jpg.html)
Scan, colour or tone, add text and print out (or publish digitally)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/06_zps1t9iare1.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/06_zps1t9iare1.jpg.html)
To make a booklet like in the photo, you can do this yourself using the booklet printing option in word, or make a pdf and use adobe, both work fine (You may have to experiment with putting the paper back in the printer to print the other side if you dont have double sided printing). You can then staple the pages using a staple gun and fold the staples back, or if you are lucky to have a long arm stapler, just use that :P A normal stapler will work, but you may have to crease the pages to get it to reach.

If you are very lucky, you will have a photocopier/printer with the whole feature and just bung the pages in, press go, and manga falls out the other end. I used the one i had at work (I actually have permission to use anything for my own personal projects), so i didn't have to fiddle with my own stapling, but i have used that technique before anyway so it still works.

I ended up giving copies of my manga to everyone in my department, two of which have sons who are into manga who said it was good :P

My whole setup: took 40 hours to make the whole thing from beginning to end
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Bokura%20no%20Manga/07_zps2tcs8iuv.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Bokura%20no%20Manga/07_zps2tcs8iuv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on August 30, 2015, 02:05:26 PM
Art dump ! Art dump ! Art dump! ... lol

Awesome, I really love the hairstyle of the girl in the very first picture, I think it's quite original and fashionable compared to the typical anime hairstyle ... lol ... well I also just cut my hair really short so I think it's fashion  :sure: :sure: :sure:

Just a remark on the girl with pink hair 120 in the digital section though...you made her right arm longer than her left arm...the shoulder are tilted but the hands are still on the same level.

PS: nice working space though :P

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2015, 02:12:04 PM
i love art dumps, i always have a lot so its fun, but scanning them in is a pain!

nice notice on the digital, i didnt see that at all!
i thought the hair was very anime-ish though, it depends what anime you watch i guess :P
you mean the very first picture, or the first of the good section? because i can understand that hair is quite unique.
thanks for your comment!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on August 30, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
Well I mean the very first picture, you also redrew here in a quite interesting pose here, I really like the curving and detail.

Good Stuff
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2015-08-06_0026_zpsaq6jzhdx.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2015, 02:24:06 PM
thanks!
thats one of my favourite pictures, the proportions came out really well, with the shading sort of helped it look good as well. shame i didnt finish it :P theres still proportion problems with it anyway though, so onwards and upwards :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: DAWM on August 31, 2015, 09:18:46 PM
lol i like the "aime music" label
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: GlassKetchupBottle on September 01, 2015, 04:51:08 AM
O: You've been busy xD

I like your background work; I know a lot of artists struggle a little with composition but yours is quite convincing  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on September 01, 2015, 05:10:54 AM
@dawm thats whats keeping me going :P

@glassketchupbottle thanks! ive been trying to keep all aspects of my skill at roughly the same level and not leave anything behind :P its quite hard to think of a scene though, i dont draw enough backgrounds :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: GlassKetchupBottle on September 01, 2015, 10:10:57 AM
Sounds like a good approach :D It's important to reinforce any weak spots we may have as artists, and I guess that's one way to do it :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on September 01, 2015, 03:13:32 PM
well its mostly because i occasionally see art online and they have really good coloring, but awful proportions (excluding collaborations ofc), or really good buildings but badly drawn people , or the opposite, and im just like i really dont want to be like that :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: DBNext on December 25, 2015, 08:36:15 AM
Glad to see you're still posting (even though you haven't been around much)
I can see good improvement on faces and anatomy.
Keep it up
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on February 02, 2016, 08:17:34 AM
thanks!
ive been quite ill until recently and i hope to be posting more again
i certainly dont plan on quitting  :P

EDIT: uploaded some really recent work i drew on my tablet

a nice wallpaper
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/artflow_201601250116_zpsa0k8de9s.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/artflow_201601250116_zpsa0k8de9s.png.html)

quick 20min sketch
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/artflow_201601302349_zpsaz1lbpkv.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/artflow_201601302349_zpsaz1lbpkv.png.html)

the original for the wallpaper silhouette
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/artflow_201601250037_zpsbobr1rcw.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/artflow_201601250037_zpsbobr1rcw.png.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on February 02, 2016, 01:19:47 PM
found a couple more drawings from last month. my work is almost 50-50 digital now as i have got used to my tablet. its a galaxy one with the stylus, which is fantastic for pressure sensitivity and moving about while drawing.

serious stuff is digital, with all paper being references and sketches. mostly because i can colour with such ease digitally, and i sketch faster on paper still so i can blast through more reference.

probably my best/most detailled hair
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/201601310218_zpsdd4dyyyu.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/201601310218_zpsdd4dyyyu.png.html)

quick 10min sketch (i love quick sketches)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-01-31%2010.49.33_zpsitqg9usr.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-01-31%2010.49.33_zpsitqg9usr.png.html)

And i drew this one just now. almost 100% of my pages look like this minus the colour

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602021758_zpsakjbaods.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602021758_zpsakjbaods.png.html)
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Post by: DBNext on February 05, 2016, 05:35:52 AM
That's some neat design with the wallpaper, I really like it. Is it for a project you're doing?
And damn, you must be practicing like hell based on that last page.
Keep it up, glad you're back around
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Post by: legomaestro on February 05, 2016, 06:34:51 AM
What the heck? I knew you had great pen skills but didn't check your actual art topic. Love the colours you have going there man. So you can actually manage to draw cute anime girls huh. Lucky bastard!

Like the hairstyles your working with here. The wallpaper is also indeed real cool
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: The SlamJam on February 05, 2016, 11:56:12 AM
Damn suuper, i love these! You're going to have to share the process for hair ;)
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Post by: suuper-san on February 05, 2016, 02:39:42 PM
You're going to have to share the process for hair ;)
i love nothing more than giving tips away, i will indeed do a tutorial on it at some point. basically i just copy artists that are better than myself :p

Love the colours you have going there man.
Like the hairstyles your working with here.
thanks, those two points i have been working on hard. being colorblind, digital takes a lot of the trouble out of what colour i am using. i am actually getting better at guessing the HSV of colours as well now which is weird for being colourblind :P

That's some neat design with the wallpaper, I really like it. Is it for a project you're doing?
my eternal project for wanting to be able to draw good.....i guess :P
nah i was just playing around :P
but i think i will make more in similar styles in the future.

And damn, you must be practicing like hell based on that last page.
that is one way to put it :P i try to draw for about 2 hours a day, plus weekends for about 6-8 hours. i seem to be improving a bit faster now i draw on my tablet. i think because its easy to fix mistakes i draw with less worry.
I dont watch anime anymore (i read manga instead) so thats an extra 10+ hours a week compared to what i had before.

a few more sketches: a normal page
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201602051917_zpswndagsnp.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201602051917_zpswndagsnp.png.html)

and: talking of hair......
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201602051918_zpsjjvcqkky.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201602051918_zpsjjvcqkky.png.html)

a little colouring step-by-step of how i work on my tablet.
the initial sketch is the fastest i have ever drawn, it took me 6 minitures to draw it in its entirety, which was a big surprise :P
Initial Sketch | Lineart (Trace) | Basic Colour | Shade
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160204_223655_zps8ztwrqio.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160204_223655_zps8ztwrqio.jpg.html)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602051931_zpsfcheaf2i.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602051931_zpsfcheaf2i.png.html)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602042351_zpsjxdaqbwf.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602042351_zpsjxdaqbwf.png.html)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602050009_zpsbxcau1b6.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602050009_zpsbxcau1b6.png.html)

and the final image with mostly all the extra paint erased:
this was a bit quicker than my normal digital work, so the lines are a bit more bitty that normal :P
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602050018_zpsqfuxkdef.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602050018_zpsqfuxkdef.png.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Coryn on February 05, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
Yo suuper! Have you checked out the mascot contest yet? What with all the bubbly girls, I can't help but feel it'd be up your alley
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Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2016, 02:38:09 PM
i cant say i had noticed that yet. I do love contests :P
ill try and find it, thanks for letting me know :P
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Post by: legomaestro on February 06, 2016, 02:43:55 PM
Yeaup, that is bosslike. Man, I need to keep up with you suuper. You even convert pen drawings into these great colour works. It's actually one main goal of mine for making webtoons, I just don't know how to get them into proper line art after that messy ink work haha.

You use Sai right?
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Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2016, 02:54:31 PM
I use artflow on my samsung tablet (android) i have a tablet with a stylus http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/others/SM-P6000ZKABTU (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/others/SM-P6000ZKABTU)

its 2 dollars or something like that for the full version and is fantastic. it has its limitations being an app but i can work around them fairly well while i am learning to colour.

i have used sai but my trial expired and i couldnt be bothered to do anything about it.
I normally use gimp, but sai is nice for linearts. although gimp is also quite nice if you know what you are doing :P
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Post by: legomaestro on February 06, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
Dude! Dat Tablet. Is it only for drawing or can it read ebooks too? Because that'd be way too convenient haha
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Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2016, 03:10:16 PM
dunno about e-books, but i dare say there is an app for it.
i have read manga on it occasionally which works well but i dont like keep tapping the screen :P
the screen definition is nice, which works well with the drawing and the stylus, which is also great.

i got mine less than half price (£180) on ebay about 6 months ago, it was the second one left from that seller. the last one went up to £500 ($750ish) so glad i got it when i did.

only downside is the charge time is really long (5hours or so) for 10 hours top of usage (super battery saving modes etc)
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Post by: legomaestro on February 06, 2016, 03:45:25 PM
Guh, guess I'll be staying away from that particular beast.

To be honest I'm just not ready to get to digital just yet. There is too much that I was ignoring from simple pen and paper for it to be safe to venture into that just yet haha.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2016, 04:22:26 PM
yeah i know how you feel. i was recommended it by someone who knew what they were talking about, and i had some savings and didnt have a tablet yet, so it was kinda a treat for myself as well as a drawing tool :P

i dont think i felt ready for digital, but having it helped to improve my digital if you sort of know what i mean.
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 06, 2016, 10:27:18 PM
started from sketch into the colored one its beautiful id like to see more and critique it
 :D cause its very solid i mean theres nothing i can point out hha
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Post by: The SlamJam on February 06, 2016, 10:54:51 PM
Dude! Dat Tablet. Is it only for drawing or can it read ebooks too? Because that'd be way too convenient haha

I own an older variant of the Galaxy Note 10.1, think i bought it in 2013? I wouldn't recommend an android tablet as a full drawing workstation/device. There was a little bit of lag, and the '1024' levels of pressure sensitivity mine advertised felt nothing like the Bamboo Pen series.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on February 07, 2016, 09:21:57 AM
i agree i wouldnt use it for fully professional stuff. its great for sketches and basic level stuff. well you can see by my own drawings there is no significant problem drawing with it.
the disadvantage for me is that because its android, i can only run apps on it, which are often lacking in functionality. and sometimes you want a bit more control with like filters/layers/selection/copy-and-paste etc that some or most apps dont even have at all, let alone even just as good as microsoft paint.
portability is a fantasic thing with the tablet though, you can draw in comfy-chair/bed/bus/work etc, whereas a graphics tablet needs a PC to plug into, but has the advantage in control/quality and usage of PC programs.
if you have the money i would recommend both :P
There was a little bit of lag, and the '1024' levels of pressure sensitivity mine advertised felt nothing like the Bamboo Pen series.
i agree there is a sleight bit of lag. i have gotten used to it and for basic sketching i dont even notice it anymore. pressure is fine for me, although since i have only just really properly started digital, i may not yet have the experience to notice the difference yet :P
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Post by: legomaestro on February 07, 2016, 09:39:56 AM
Is it good for on location sketching and the like? Or is it better used indoors?
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Post by: suuper-san on February 09, 2016, 09:06:06 AM
in direct sunlight the battery will go down because you have the screen brightness way up. if its a shaded area its a lot better. i cant say i have taken it out much, im too scared that i will break it. its good for walking around the house, or sitting on the sofa and drawing. someone with more guts can take it outside :P
i think to be honest i would rather take a photo and draw it later in my own comfort. or draw in paper still seems to be more workable. at least the wind cant blow your tablet around as much as it does paper :P

TLDR: probably best indoors, or shaded outdoors :P
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Post by: suuper-san on February 11, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
latest drawing:
one manga page - no story really, just a bit of layout and background testing (which i never inked). really composure more than a finished work, which is why its.....not finished :P
i wrote the text more boldly so you can tell whats going on, sorry my handwriting is not very neat!
i noticed my skill drops rapidly if i draw a lot of characters, which is why my one-shot manga came out a lot worse than my normal skill i think :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_2016021118121_zpsse28ddcn.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_2016021118121_zpsse28ddcn.png.html)

and some male body sketches (no reference), i think i'm getting better (i hope) :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/artflow_201602111816_2_zps4a9cnbip.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/artflow_201602111816_2_zps4a9cnbip.png.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/artflow_201602111816_1_zpsm4lqrh4i.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/artflow_201602111816_1_zpsm4lqrh4i.png.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/artflow_201602111816_0_zpsg6pu64ti.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/artflow_201602111816_0_zpsg6pu64ti.png.html)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Manimal on February 11, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
The text looks nice actually. It's well drawn but all the girls kind of have the same face, it kind of looks like a clone army. I personally feel there is too much on the page in terms of panels and speech bubble but that's just me and the way I do things, it atleast flowed well. Good stuff.
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 11, 2016, 01:51:02 PM
yeah supertramp ur getting better at the body structure and about the manga characters seems confusing sometimes but all of them are all cute  ;) nc stuff tramp
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Post by: suuper-san on February 11, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
The text looks nice actually. It's well drawn but all the girls kind of have the same face, it kind of looks like a clone army. I personally feel there is too much on the page in terms of panels and speech bubble but that's just me and the way I do things, it atleast flowed well. Good stuff.
thanks, yes i did feel it was a bit crammed; halfway through inking it i started to have second thoughts about the layout, but thats why i am practicing in the first place. yes i agree they did feel like clones after a while, that partly what i meant when i said my skill drops, i start to get more generic with my drawings because i am trying to draw too quickly.

good to know the text is nice, i might do handwritten text for a webcomic or less serious manga if i ever make one :P

yeah supertramp ur getting better at the body structure and about the manga characters seems confusing sometimes but all of them are all cute  ;) nc stuff tramp
thanks, sorry yes it was a bit confusing :P
i dont think i really knew what was going on myself :P
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Post by: DBNext on February 14, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
You seem a lot more comfortable with anatomy nowadays, those practice pages look really great  :thumbsup:
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Post by: suuper-san on February 14, 2016, 05:38:13 PM
thanks, i think i would agree, i think i am more comfortable with it, but my focus drastically affects the level that i draw at, so its hard to keep it up for long (1-2 hour+) periods without reverting back to old habits :P i have to keep reminding myself of the drawing method i am using :P
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Post by: legomaestro on February 14, 2016, 05:52:48 PM
suuper! Don't leave me in the dust too much! Haha it always seems like your studies turn out better than mine. What did you do man? I'd love to show this amount of improvement as well haha.

Comic looks quite funny. Even if it's just a one page thing, what's it about?

And believe you me, go beyond one page at a point! You'll be surprised at how fun it is to do.

Keep at it man
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Post by: suuper-san on February 15, 2016, 05:32:33 AM
as for studies, i just keep doing gesture drawings. instead of having a time limit for each one, like 30 seconds, i do the timing myself and skip to the next image once i am happy (that way i can spend more time if its a really decent pose/reference). generally i dont go over 30 seconds anyway. thats for paper drawing.
digitally (which is most of what i post now), i just try and remember the gesture drawings i did earlier, and try and get a feel for the thing i am studying, be it hands or feet etc

i have no idea what the manga is about, if i think too much i tend to try and get it perfect, so i just ignored everything to be able to draw it. it looks like everyone is looking for some kind of book, like maybe a magic book, but the idiot main character finds it and lets everyone know. they are all mad to get it and jump for it, and she calls to her friend for help. something like that :P

i do plan to go above one page of course, but i just want to practice layout and stuff. once i feel happy with generating a single page layout with minimal effort, i might start going to 2 etc. everything i do is practice :P
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Post by: legomaestro on February 15, 2016, 06:39:53 AM
Gestures are that useful to do then huh? Man, I miss that software you wrote up It gave use to the infinite screenshots I take haha.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 15, 2016, 04:00:12 PM
im writing a more powerful and useful gesture program, i will let you know when i finish it :P
well i use it already but its still in the prototyping stage :P
if you have any ideas for it let me know i will try and incorporate them :P

yes gestures are incredibly useful, at least to me. partly the reason i made both the first program and the one i am making now was the insane amount of screenshots i have taken myself, so i know the feeling - "that might be useful reference....someday", i must have GBs of screenshots lol :P
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Post by: blankcanvas03 on February 15, 2016, 08:41:03 PM
you're good!!! keep up the good work man!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: suuper-san on February 17, 2016, 04:20:17 AM
@blankcanvas thanks!

lastest work, was doing a page sketch and suddenly it went well :P
the colours are a bit strong because i had my screen really dim to protect my eyes :P

the page i was sketching:
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602162321_zps3m4mqlaa.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201602162321_zps3m4mqlaa.png.html)

and the final artwork: i signed using my alternate username, which is a little less copyright than suupertramp :P
i was really only testing the use of colored outlines rather than black, so anatomy and stuff was just randomly drawn with not much attention, which is a bit of a shame.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-02-16%2023.58.54_zpsunxs2go2.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-02-16%2023.58.54_zpsunxs2go2.png.html)
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 17, 2016, 04:43:07 AM
your studying clothes fold men haha nc and yeah the anatomy is a bit strong did u use tablet there men the coloring is just ok i think theres just no shadow and the eyelashes i think u need to add eyelashes haha just kidding good work men
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2016, 12:33:57 PM
@killerB i used to draw eyelashes, but went off it a bit. i have been thinking about drawing them again so you must be reading my mind :P

latest drawings: some copies from Ajin manga. I like the gritty style. it took about 2 mins for each head, i was putting a lot more detail in than normal sketches, so took nearly an hour for the both pages :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/20160218_172236_zpsmm6ojlb2.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/20160218_172236_zpsmm6ojlb2.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/20160218_172223_zpsfkjtko0k.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/20160218_172223_zpsfkjtko0k.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 18, 2016, 03:27:24 PM
that good super your sketches are very nice and i think ur next works will not only be cute girls anymore haah :tongue:
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Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2016, 03:39:05 PM
thats what i am hoping :P
i want to change my style almost completely :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on February 19, 2016, 05:54:52 PM
started my practice for visual library workshop http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,14476.0.html
when taking the photos to upload, the face recognition on my camera kept drawing boxes around the faces, i felt kinda proud :P

copies from ajin manga
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224125_zpsiim6mjkh.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224125_zpsiim6mjkh.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223828_zpsghutle49.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223828_zpsghutle49.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223945_zpschqcoq29.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223945_zpschqcoq29.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223957_zpsi8n0sivq.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223957_zpsi8n0sivq.jpg.html)
and the clothing style while i was at it
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223807_zps7dvj2yxm.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223807_zps7dvj2yxm.jpg.html)

since it is similar to real life, i did some 2-3min portraits to bulk up my reference
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223902_zpsj942skzb.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223902_zpsj942skzb.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223916_zpsjffms87c.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223916_zpsjffms87c.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224030_zps0qxymjvt.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224030_zps0qxymjvt.jpg.html)
and some detail practice
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224008_zps1t2l8y8d.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224008_zps1t2l8y8d.jpg.html)

and finally, some drawings from memory/imagination to test how much i had learned the style. which were not too bad :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224046_zpstfnytlkq.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_224046_zpstfnytlkq.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223932_zpsyvtixz3z.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223932_zpsyvtixz3z.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223850_zps4vwu674v.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160219_223850_zps4vwu674v.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: HydroZephyr on February 19, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
These are really good!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on February 20, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
thanks :)
let me know if you notice any weak points that i might have missed :P

latest: tried some paintings in GIMP. small beginnings, is all i can say.
i ended up drawing a permanent pallet until i figure out how to use GIMP properly :P
partly the problem is i am once again not used to my graphics tablet, so i should probably have done some quick sketches first to re-co-ordinate myself. idiot me :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-02-20b_zps5msjy8tp.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-02-20b_zps5msjy8tp.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-02-20a_zpsgloxqr3i.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-02-20a_zpsgloxqr3i.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-02-20c_zpsy4klombi.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-02-20c_zpsy4klombi.jpg.html)
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Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on February 21, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
nice progress  ;D ...  One thing I do when I haven't used my Tablet for a while is write a some paragraph of texts on it...something just writing my name repetitively with very round letters...I'm sure it can also work for you  :D
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 21, 2016, 09:14:59 AM
good paint there men i would say good job on putting the dark faces i mean u did not use light much in that sketches on the first picture i know its a excercise or stretching on drawing looks realistic there men  :D
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Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2016, 09:45:43 AM
Whoa suuper those studies are phenomenal! You're definitely a boss at studying these things.  And haha I thought I was the only one who felt super proud when the face recognition in the camera kicks in. Dude your pen skills are really nice to see

Love the digital painting stuff too.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 21, 2016, 02:38:14 PM
@nomena that sounds like a good idea, i will give that a go :P

@killerB yeah i spent most the time figuring out how i was going to colour it, not what colours to use lol

@lego i think everyone should be proud of facial recognition on their work :P
i think the sheer quantity of reference work i do probably helps. my primary goal is speed and accuracy. i spend a lot of time trying to draw things right the first time, without having to amend, and thats partly why i started to draw with pen in the first place, to remove the temptation to erase.
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Post by: suuper-san on February 28, 2016, 05:35:16 PM
a hard days work:
i had a fairly good day of reference drawing. by good i mean i had a lot of time which i didnt waste :P
couldnt be bothered to take individual pictures obviously lol.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160228_222721_zpsbvc84jz7.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160228_222721_zpsbvc84jz7.jpg.html)
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 28, 2016, 08:04:24 PM
nc spending your time men haha and the studies
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Post by: suuper-san on March 01, 2016, 10:48:35 AM
@killerB thanks yeah i try and study for most of my drawing time

i tried drawing with a mouse for the first time today, just to see what it was like. I must say i miss tapering lines from a graphics tablet
It is insanely concentration intensive to draw with a mouse, so well done to anyone who actually does this (KillerB for one i think)
I found myself using less guidelines because it took so much effort to draw them lol
took 15 minutes for those wondering, normally on my tablet it would take about 1-2.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-03-01_zps6wtdh0yb.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-03-01_zps6wtdh0yb.png.html)
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on March 02, 2016, 07:22:30 AM
haha very cute meeeeen thats adorable one its well done there brotha haha yeah that kind of concentration helps also to think precisely haha  :thumbsup:  :sheep:
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Post by: suuper-san on March 05, 2016, 08:26:58 AM
@KillerB thanks

latest doodles:

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(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201603032348_zpslbde2hbw.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201603032348_zpslbde2hbw.png.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-03-05%2001.21.48_zpsjhqtse9c.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-03-05%2001.21.48_zpsjhqtse9c.png.html)
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on March 05, 2016, 08:36:38 AM
brotha can i request something HHAAAA I challenge you to make a different angle and views and  another challenge men draw a different gesture of hand it looks that your hand looks cute :P btw that doodle are cute how did u come up with that outfit and cute stuff? 
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Post by: suuper-san on March 05, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
@killerB thanks. i will try and draw those requests :P

as for getting the ideas for costumes, i just draw a lot from reference. often i am trying to practice making a fabric look thick or thin, and i just draw randomly.
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Post by: Echo_River on March 05, 2016, 11:52:14 AM
Those outfits are pretty ._. I want the pajamas...
Which ref did you get the second one from?
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Post by: suuper-san on March 05, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
@echo_river glad you liked them
as for the second outfit.......i made it up :P
the base idea was a lolita outfit (which i love drawing), but i only drew from scraps of memory, and just picked random colours that sorta went together :P
i do a lot of gesture drawing with lots of different things, and frills and bows have their own section in my drawing program :P
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Post by: aztecsensei on March 05, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
wow! :o
you're improving very fast! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Manimal on March 06, 2016, 08:53:41 AM
Is the second one like the magical girl version of your mascot entry?

The first pic is pretty good, clothes folds all over the place and a non specific body pillow. Second is not bad but I feel her mouth and expression are a little strange, especially since she's not looking at the camera but rather something off to the side. and her arms are kinda like "I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING". Also the perfect symmetry is a little odd. But those are just nit picks really.

KillerB is right though, you should be a little more adventurous and try some wild and wacky poses/angles. 
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Post by: suuper-san on March 06, 2016, 09:09:48 AM
@aztecsensei thanks, i spend a lot of time drawing so i hope i am improving even it just a little :P

@manimal if i run out of time i will enter her as a second entry :P

i took manimal's and killerB's advice to redraw my drawing. i kinda blew the pose which was weird because its quite a normal pose for me to draw. pressure.....thats all i can say :P

oh yeah i was really tired, it took 2 hours to draw, normally it should have taken one and a half. so thats probably why i messed up the pose as well.

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(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-03-06%2001.10.57_zps40yz07qd.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-03-06%2001.10.57_zps40yz07qd.png.html)
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Post by: Walter B on March 06, 2016, 09:11:59 AM
You make some really nice clothings! the folding and the shading are very well done.

You can make something like that in one and half hours full color? Thats pretty good
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Post by: suuper-san on March 06, 2016, 09:33:30 AM
@walter thanks, this is the first time redrawing a character with the same clothes so it was a strange experience :P

yeah normally i would be drawing a bit faster, but i was really tired and couldn't go fast. my lines were a bit over the place as well :P
in total it took 1 hour 55 minutes, which isnt too bad either way :P
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on March 06, 2016, 10:32:41 AM
the head is quite treaky there budd haha but its nice i got confused there the neck is a little bit big there and her shoulders if thats the posture it must be closer to it  another men the KNEE i cant bent it like that i tried it and it hurts unless she has flexible legs

i guess its 3/4 view and her eye on the right must go up a little bit NC hair and coloring there meeeen,her mouth too must go lower right cause its like not fitted to the view

GOOD JOB HHA thanks for listening to some :P

oh sorry for late critique oh meeeeen theres a event where i go and because seeing someone and noise makes my mind think to it thats why i get confused there haha :P   fck EVENT

(http://i.imgur.com/IF40rT8.jpg)



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Post by: suuper-san on March 06, 2016, 12:06:15 PM
thanks for the trace over :P
i had pretty much figured what was wrong, but i had already finished it by then. i feel very stupid at the moment, but practice makes perfect, you can bet i wont make that mistake again for a while :P
yeah the knees are a bit unnatural, i have no idea why i did that :P
maybe i will redraw it again for the second time :P
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on March 06, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
men haha u dont need to budd just continue for the challenge haha but i gotcha there meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnn  :tongue:
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Post by: Manimal on March 06, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
See that's more..dynamic already but yes KillerB's points say it all. She like has two different parts! But you know you'll get it better the more you do it, I'm sure you don't need me to say that! But ya doing stuff like that is much more exciting you know. It's easy and fun to draw straight on shots all the time but you gotta introduce challenges to yourself sometimes.
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Post by: suuper-san on March 06, 2016, 12:41:51 PM
its a real shame i mucked it up otherwise it might have looked pretty good :P
yeah i tend to default to front shots when i am not thinking, i have been trying to fix that very recently the suggestion to redraw it was a great idea for me.
normally i would not have messed up a drawing that bad though. i am totally blaming it on being tired :P
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Post by: Manimal on March 06, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
You don't have to worry so much about it man, it's not as if that's the only time you can ever draw it!
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Post by: suuper-san on March 06, 2016, 12:53:42 PM
yeah i know :P
its just the amount of time to spend on it was unusually high, and the results were unusually low :P
im not depressed (anymore) though :P
although i will probably redraw it as many times in as many poses until i get fed up :P
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Post by: Manimal on March 06, 2016, 01:00:01 PM
I know the feel dude. I've drawn so many things, even coloured them, looked at them later and wanted to puke everywhere. Sometimes when you draw and you get really into it you don't realize the mistakes. It's like your so in the zone you don't realize you drew a character with freaky arms or unnatural clothes folds whatever it may be. There is nothing else to say on the matter expect for the ever cliche ever true keep tryin' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0p4V5DLxKU[/i).
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Post by: suuper-san on March 06, 2016, 01:07:22 PM
It's like your so in the zone you don't realize
yes. that.
thanks for the pep talk, once again i will challenge the world :P
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Post by: suuper-san on March 28, 2016, 07:05:40 PM
Just got over a really bad virus which is why i havnt been posting so much since i have been back
Started off for a change with a couple of random panels, really working on composition rather than proportions etc

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201603290004_zpsgh3wkqul.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201603290004_zpsgh3wkqul.png.html)
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Post by: RobotWizardZ on March 28, 2016, 09:27:37 PM
This has given me hope seeing you progress page mby page practise really does make perfect can't wait to start as soon as my tablet arrives
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Post by: Ryan on March 28, 2016, 10:20:21 PM
Just got over a really bad virus which is why i havnt been posting so much since i have been back
Started off for a change with a couple of random panels, really working on composition rather than proportions etc

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201603290004_zpsgh3wkqul.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201603290004_zpsgh3wkqul.png.html)

These are fairly successful panels. Good work you've been doing lately, as I haven't posted here in a while I think. Anyways, in terms of advice, I would say that thinking of things more in terms of form is important for you to get to the next level.

And although it is just my opinion, I think you are in the trap of doing 'quick studies.' I'm seeing that you are frequently making fairly big and noticeable mistakes in your proportions in these quick studies. Accuracy isn't the end-all, but it's important. My form/technique and drawing became a lot more nuanced from doing longer drawings and studies; in fact, I would say it's one of the most important things I've gained from my art classes. So, this is why I say to slow down(do longer studies)! In ways I was quite similar to you... A large variety of parameters(time,goal,effort) in your studies is necessary to get a strong sight of things and knack for drawing. Without this, one's studying is much less effective.

A concrete solution would be to start with doing 1-hour long studies of images. Use hb or harder so you can erase. Good-quality(and pencil, not pen) paper will be helpful(but not mandatory) if you decide to do it traditionally. I would say to not do long studies on animation screencaps, as animation isn't as much about drawing as it is about animation. Remember, anime expresses through movement; manga is like animation without inbetweens and only the most important shots. All of the important moments, and money shots, are already there, hand-picked for you. The mangaka put a lot of effort in to making some of these drawings to the best of their ability. If you've ever watched Yusuke Murata draw his manga, he erases over and over until he finds a drawing to his standard.

Lastly, if copying from a manga, consider the actual size it was originally drawn in so that you can more easily draw the nuances in the image (generally, B4).

Lastly but not lastly? What? Okay, for real this time. http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/ This is a free-guide that goes over the essence of what goes into achieving accuracy. It's simplified the most important aspects in attaining accuracy and can serve as a strong road map for training it. Anyways, it's up to you for what you should do, but these are my thoughts overall on your current drawings, and how I think you'd be able to put more nuance and effective style into your drawings. I know it's a lot of content here, but think of it as making up for all the time I was away  ;D
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Post by: suuper-san on March 29, 2016, 11:23:30 AM
thanks for your detailed comments Ryan, i appreciate it.
now to return with an even more complicated reply :P

i must admit, i do do a LOT of short studies, in fact i dont do any long studies. i think thats partly because i break down the study into an individual body part, like a hand or arm, and just practice that, so a 1m drawing of a hand would have been a 10-20 minute study of the whole body. yeah drawing a whole person is also good practice i dont do any long time studies at all really. i will give it a shot, but i cant say i will ike it, but i dare say i will thank you afterwards :P

but i must also secondarily admit, i am never in my top form for drawing. i dont mean that as in an excuse "this is only half my power - this is my real power!!!!!" but i draw when i am dead tired a lot of the time and i just plain dont notice the mistakes, when i normally would (at least, i think i would).
yes that sounds lame and you are saying why dont i sleep then if i am tired. i think its when i am not tired, i am at work or stuff, and the only time i have left is when i am tired at the end of the day.

also i wasnt sure if you meant those panels nor not, but those ones are not studies, i made them up on my own.

and regarding them, i drew with a lot less guidelines, yesterday i was all about "feeling" the drawing, no idea why.
i am an idiot thats why :P

thanks for the guide , i will take a look. i do like the help links you post they are really good.
you are like the gateway to good links :P

not do long studies on animation screencaps
yes. i rarely spend more than 30 seconds on anime reference. i am more likely to spend time on the manga reference for the reasons you basically pointed out. manga is a much better reference if you plan on drawing manga, not only for the panels and composition reference, but the line quality and shading/hatching etc are copiable, whereas in anime they are not very high quality :P

Lastly, if copying from a manga, consider the actual size it was originally drawn in so that you can more easily draw the nuances in the image (generally, B4).
i always automatically enlarge when copying by 50%, dont know why can cant control it very well. when copying a whole page, i am limited to A4 though. i dont and probably never will have B4. i have never even seen it in real life.

overall, i will work on longer more detailed (+full body) studies as suggested.
i will try and draw when not tired to see if there is any difference in quality :P
but.....you will never take away my pen :P
nah i will try pencil again but i hate sharpening pencils.
oh yeah i have mechanical ones now :P

@ryan do you have any comments on mechanical pencil vs pencil pencil?

sorry the post went on for so long :P
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Post by: Ryan on March 29, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
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but i must also secondarily admit, i am never in my top form for drawing. i dont mean that as in an excuse "this is only half my power - this is my real power!!!!!" but i draw when i am dead tired a lot of the time and i just plain dont notice the mistakes, when i normally would (at least, i think i would).
yes that sounds lame and you are saying why dont i sleep then if i am tired. i think its when i am not tired, i am at work or stuff, and the only time i have left is when i am tired at the end of the day.

I was fearful of this before, actually, as I'm aware you're employed. If you know for sure what your MBTI type is, that would help show part of the picture for your development. Drawing when you're tired, likely, relies on intuition and muscle memory. This is in contrast to when you are present, where you are able to actively engage your memory/bank of experience, any systems of drawing you know, and it's theoretically possible to see problems before they arise. I would like to nickname this 'slow-thought' drawing. This is really, to be honest, the mode that is key to improving. The 'deliberate practice' that you hear so much of. I think you know this as well; there's really no other way around it, so I won't go on about it further. Practicing while you are tired will only make you more tired as the lack of sleep builds up, further marginalizing your efforts.. :P

Regarding drawing with feeling, this is actually a good way of drawing, especially for creativity. Strict guidelines can lead to sameface syndrome. The key for this style, I think, is still being present! Haha..umm  :hmm:, drawing with feeling should be fairly calm, and slow. You should be looking at your drawing every step of the way and be gentle with your strokes, so you can harden the 'good' lines later on in the sketch. Drawing with feeling can bring the idea of not caring or going with the flow, although those really won't get you anywhere :P It's a low-energy way of drawing.

I have to run, but I will edit this later for more things.
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Post by: suuper-san on March 29, 2016, 03:45:15 PM
yeah my brain switches off but i still want to draw something. like i want to achieve something.

although i have actually been getting over a condition that was suffering for 2 years that actually affected my memory and focus, so its possibly a lag from that, whenever i am ill (as i am now as well) it gets even worse, until i am fully recovered.

basically i should not have been out of bed, let alone drawing.

If you know for sure what your MBTI type is
i did two online tests and both graded me as INFJ, didnt really mean much to me, since over half the questions cant be answered on a yes-no/1-10 scale. so i dont know for sure, but seems like it :P

the reason i try and draw with feeling is to push my expressiveness beyond "that which i know" and try to draw things that i have not yet learnt, or cannot yet draw, or dont know what looks like. mostly its about getting over the thought "i dont know how to draw that yet"

i also tried to go for exaggeration, because in manga i believe you have to express the peak of the emotion because the readers dont see outside the pictures, you have to tell them exactly how excited/sad/happy the characters were etc.
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Post by: suuper-san on March 29, 2016, 05:57:36 PM
i couldnt sleep :P
latest, just working a bit on proportions and angles and stuff
i redrew the hands and feet because the scale was too small to add detail (i was drawing with a hard board backing and the pen started to follow the texture)
it feels like i am relearning everything i forgot in the last 3 weeks, you can see the immediate improvement between the left and right profile images (both face and body)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160329_225852_zpsvffhun0x.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160329_225852_zpsvffhun0x.jpg.html)

now time to sleep :P
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Post by: Ryan on March 29, 2016, 11:45:27 PM
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you are like the gateway to good links :P
Thank you for that, I'm like a library when it comes to anything I'm really interested in  ;)

Regarding the panels, I know that they were created by you, don't worry.

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do you have any comments on mechanical pencil vs pencil pencil?
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Personally, I don't have a preference for sketching. I have a preference for using regular pencils when drawing on higher-quality drawing paper, or any 'big' subject matter on big paper. You can't really get a large range of motion with a mechanical pencil on large paper, so it's definitely inferior for when you're making bigger drawings, at least in the first stage of starting a drawing.

In terms of what mostly everyone here is interested in, mechanical pencil is probably the best, 0.5mm as well. There are many reasons mangaka use mechanical pencils for drafting. They're cheap, don't need to be sharpened, and they feel nice to draw with. But besides that, you can achieve a variety of line easily. You can get thin lines, and then thicker lines by going over your lines repeatedly. Pencils dull quickly and you obviously don't get this variety of line unless you're sharpening frequently.

Some things to consider when using mechanical pencils is your lead type. HB, B, 2B, and 3B are your options, generally. These can make a difference; not everyone just uses HB by default. HB is the hardest of these bunch, 3B the softest. The softness can help prevent that 'sharp' feeling you can sometimes get from drawing with a mechanical pencil.

Anyways, I am more picky about the paper I use. You will never catch me drawing on printer paper. It's just not worth it when there are other thicker, affordable papers you might be able to find. This is something I think beginners often overlook and they will have a much more enjoyable drawing experience if they get a better paper to use.

Regarding troubles with drawing things 1:1, you should try something like this out.
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(http://i.imgur.com/BLN5SxY.png) It's not the easiest thing to set up, but after you've done it one time it should be pretty easy after that. Set up the PSD as 8.5 x 11, 200 dpi should be fine. Input an image, crop out what you want, and resize it until the width is 1/2 of the PSD canvas width. Then draw a thin box around the image that you're drawing on a new layer. Duplicate the thin box layer and drag it to the side while holding control. Print it out, and then you can use the box as a reference for getting the proportions more accurate. You are also better able to see the differences in your studies by doing this.

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although i have actually been getting over a condition that was suffering for 2 years that actually affected my memory and focus, so its possibly a lag from that, whenever i am ill (as i am now as well) it gets even worse, until i am fully recovered.
That sucks :(. Well, I'm glad that you are getting over the condition. Focus can be pretty important.

About the MBTI-thing, my type is different than what I've tested for in the past. Reading stuff from personalityhacker and 16personality types is a better way to figure it out, I think, I just asked in the off-chance that you already knew :P.

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the reason i try and draw with feeling is to push my expressiveness beyond "that which i know" and try to draw things that i have not yet learnt, or cannot yet draw, or dont know what looks like. mostly its about getting over the thought "i dont know how to draw that yet"

If you think about this logically, you are gambling by doing this. It's similar to trying to get a monkey to randomly type a sentence of English. Or trying to get a chess ai to play go. The knowledge isn't there. Art is partially difficult because you can't brute-force being able to draw things by sheer effort. It's why some beginners or layman can't get past a single starting point. Any progress that is made for any person is going to because they actually have been looking at what things look like, or even making studies of real objects, and using this to fuel their drawings.

That's not to say you can't put things together, or invent things. But you can't invent something that is a real object in reality by accident without knowing already what it looks like. You could be able to draw 99% of the animals in the world, you still wouldn't be able to invent the other 1%. Anyways, the moral of the story is: there are a few categories to be aware of, that relate to the ability to draw objects that would require you to have at least seen them once before.

1.Things you can actually draw accurately and you are aware of them
2.Things you already are capable of drawing accurately, but you don't recognize this ability
3.Things you don't know how to draw and you are aware that you can't draw them accurately
4.Things that are mutations of real things. Or a certain style of drawing things. These things are likely to be reminiscent of Rob Liefield, or horribly inaccurate, invented anatomy. It is a mismatch in that you've actually created a different thing that is similar to the real thing, but is really a mutation. These things(the mutations) can also exist in the other categories, such as styles you are trying to learn to use!


The 'things' that exist in each category are free to move between categories, based on your thoughts/efforts, or lack of thoughts/efforts. If you think by drawing 'expressively' that you are pushing past 'what you already know', you are actually moving things from #2 to #1, or creating a #4 thing, I think. It's important to mention that repeating the drawings of things in #4 without ever looking at the real object, or descriptions of the real object, will not get you closer to drawing the real thing. You can mistakenly believe you've succeeded at doing so, but you actually created a new, original, mutation object in #1.

Sorry for saying a lot of things again .-.
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Post by: suuper-san on April 01, 2016, 06:32:54 AM
yes, if i am trying to force a 1:1 drawing i will box it in, and that works quite well if i need to do it. if i dont have any guidelines though it will always be larger.

regarding the drawing things that i cannot draw, i dont think i meant it exactly the way you understood it. yes drawing something that you cannot draw is counter intuitive. what i mean, is drawing something that you know what is like by its description, but dont know the exact lines to draw it with.

say for example, a happy face. most non-artists can draw a happy face, that a no brainer. so its using the basic knowledge (wider eyes, higher eyebrows, raised corners of mouth) and applying it to your drawing of a face, but you dont know exactly how to apply it. its sort of like trial and error where you say well that didnt work, work out why and draw it again trying to avoid the failure.
also i mean drawing things that i cannot draw in the sence that i try and draw from memory, but not something that i have previously studdied. like i have never hardly drawn a car, but i know what they look like because i see them everyday. so its trying to force your memory to retrieve those details that you know you know, but have never drawn before. doing a lot of this would not have too much benefit, but i think a small session every now and then tests your "artist" skill, rather than your ability to copy something in front of you. the pressure also gears your brain and your analysis to be more observant in your daily life.

i do spend most of my time studying stuff though, but its nice to try and see what your raw ability is for something you havent drawn before.

Sorry for saying a lot of things again .-.
not at all, i appreciate the time you spend to help me improve :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 02, 2016, 11:04:33 AM
some 3d models with sketchup, just playing for practice
took 25 minutes each, and most of the time was playing around doing non-progressive things, so i could probably do them faster if i tried again. learnt a lot about order of design and stuff.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/tabledesk_zpsg1ntjuoz.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/tabledesk_zpsg1ntjuoz.png.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/labdoor_zps9dbjnogm.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/labdoor_zps9dbjnogm.png.html)

you can see how if you traced these digitally or physically, you would get really good proportions on your designs, in fact i might try just that to see how it goes. of course you can just put the design straight into your manga but it will clash a bit with the natural drawn lines, especially since sketchup draws the lines all the same width regardless of distance to the camera, which is really annoying.
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Post by: suuper-san on April 07, 2016, 02:57:49 AM
latest drawings, did some good stuff yesterday, amongst all my studies

sketchy stuff
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(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0005_zpsfvqqnyhy.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0005_zpsfvqqnyhy.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0003_zpsorhhuctr.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0003_zpsorhhuctr.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0002_zps8jahijkf.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0002_zps8jahijkf.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0001_zpsgo15crai.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-04-07_0001_zpsgo15crai.jpg.html)

and the best drawing:
all three are meant to be the same character, the first one i tried to make her look too young and couldnt get the proportions right so i made her a bit older for the other two.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-04-07_0004_zpsasjukknc.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-04-07_0004_zpsasjukknc.jpg.html)

let me know what you think of the 3d as well :P
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Post by: Walter B on April 07, 2016, 04:03:21 AM
the one where she is combing her hair is so nice

your female body drawings are quite good!!
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Post by: PaptimusPrime on April 07, 2016, 06:25:38 AM
The middle one is my personal favorite. I like your lines on the jeans and hair. Good work!

Can't wait to see more :)
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Post by: Hasith on April 07, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
Ah looks like you are getting good at 3D stuff. :)

I too like the girl in middle in last drawing.
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Post by: suuper-san on April 07, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
@walterB thanks, i like the drawing too :P
i draw mostly female all the time, so its a lot better than my male drawings, which is why you never see them here :P

@paptimusprime thanks, i will always be doing drawing but i cant guarantee that it will be good enough to post :P

@hasith thanks, yeah i want to get into 3D for backgrounds/buildings and stuff, figured it would be useful and possibly quicker in the long run :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 08, 2016, 03:08:27 PM
latest 3d stuff.
i find the only reason i cant get anywhere is i dont know what i am making :P
the stool was a copy from a tutorial i found online, but i didnt follow the tutorial :P
same with the chain track.
just as with art, copying models seems to help me to improve :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/stool1a_zpsrv3qgpel.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/stool1a_zpsrv3qgpel.png.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/tanktrack1a_zpsfqvsrfnq.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/tanktrack1a_zpsfqvsrfnq.png.html)

heres what i drew Wednesday, broke my drawing quantity record
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(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160407_195906_zpsfqe575ta.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160407_195906_zpsfqe575ta.jpg.html)
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Post by: Walter B on April 08, 2016, 03:39:41 PM
wow that tank

and holy *censored* that amount. you are a robot or what?  :ohmy: :ohmy:

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Post by: suuper-san on April 08, 2016, 03:40:51 PM
@walker haha thanks, and yes it sort of felt like that after a while :P i took regular breaks or i would have died :P
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Post by: Asami14L on April 09, 2016, 01:48:16 PM
nice pieces u got there..I like it>< ahh so u like to make a 3d model stuff too..looks like I need to learn more about 3d stuff from u><
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Post by: suuper-san on April 09, 2016, 02:06:26 PM
@shin_yuu thanks, i wouldnt recommend learning from me lol, just follow youtube tutorials or something. google sketchup is very easy to use and you will get the hang of it in no time :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 09, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
forgot to upload this from earlier this week:
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(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160409_224132_zpssgliga7q.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160409_224132_zpssgliga7q.jpg.html)

a test on quality and speed, first took 20 minutes, second took 6
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(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-04-03%2020.52.34_zpsscgpmzpb.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-04-03%2020.52.34_zpsscgpmzpb.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-04-03%2021.10.02_zpsjjd1ggod.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-04-03%2021.10.02_zpsjjd1ggod.jpg.html)

and just drew these, left one took 10 minutes , right one took 45 minutes, and is probably my max skill at the moment. i used a pencil to sketch (without reference so i blew the proportions) and erased the lines, which worked quite nicely since i didnt know what i was drawing :P
i can draw the proportions right as long as i am not thinking about anything else (like the clothes) lol

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160409_223703_zpsitdi8q62.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160409_223703_zpsitdi8q62.jpg.html)

she isnt meant to be pointing at the viewer so thats not a mistake :P

i will probably redraw it tomorrow and make it better :P
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Post by: Walter B on April 09, 2016, 06:55:04 PM
she looks real cute  ;)

regarding the second stuff honestly I don't see a huge quality difference between the 6 and 20 minutes. is more than 3 times as much. interesting. I love that you keep such great record on time. Time per piece is the most important metric for you as an artist I think. Awesome stuff!  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Asami14L on April 09, 2016, 07:57:43 PM
@shin_yuu thanks, i wouldnt recommend learning from me lol, just follow youtube tutorials or something. google sketchup is very easy to use and you will get the hang of it in no time :P

Haha I see..actually I'm using Blender now..before that, I used Autodesk Maya but since the spec itself was not for my laptop's poor spec, so I just go with Blender><
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on April 09, 2016, 09:51:03 PM
Very nce men
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Post by: suuper-san on April 10, 2016, 03:19:21 AM
@walterB, killerB thanks guys :P

Time per piece is the most important metric for you as an artist I think.
yes, because a manga artist always works under a deadline, and its not an easy one. i always try and keep my speed up so that i will be able to take on larger challenges in a reasonable time frame :P

honestly I don't see a huge quality difference between the 6 and 20 minutes.
yeah that surprised me, i drew the first one at 20 minutes and thought i bet i can draw it faster :P
the proportions are very similar but my line quality dropped. although if i work in digital, line quality is not so much of an issue :P
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Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on April 10, 2016, 03:53:14 AM
there is also tones of improvements on your side...the girls look cute...I don't really understand why but I'm not able to draw cute anime girls (or for now I can't)  :-\  ... whenever I try, it always deviate from the original plan and it seems more difficult... guess that's how style develops.
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Post by: suuper-san on April 10, 2016, 04:14:44 AM
@TGQNomena generally having clean sharp lines and good basic proportions is a good start. even i dont know how to describe what makes a drawing cute or not since its subjective, but basically i think larger eyes, eyes with lots of reflections and detail, nice hairstyles with a decent amount of detail, something like that :P and a gentle smile :P
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Post by: suuper-san on April 16, 2016, 03:40:37 AM
Latest, drew these without any warmup just to see if it made any difference. Apparently not :P
Doing a tiny sketch of the pose really helps plan it though.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-04-16%2008.39.20_zpshqme5hhh.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-04-16%2008.39.20_zpshqme5hhh.jpg.html)
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on April 16, 2016, 03:45:53 AM
I like them. The middle one looks (female dog)-y

How do you come up with hair designs? For some reason I can't be original or at least creative with it. I haven't figured out the antenna hair strand yet.
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Post by: Walter B on April 16, 2016, 05:54:22 AM
those skirts are nice! you make great clothes

the middle one the chin is a bit pointy but nice!  ;D
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Post by: The SlamJam on April 16, 2016, 06:54:16 AM
Fantastic work Suuper!
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Post by: Manimal on April 16, 2016, 06:59:11 AM
Your art is looking good and you got all kinds of nice details in the folds and everything. Some of those faceless sketches looks cool. The only thing is it seems like you draw the same character, or body type, over and over. Like all your characters seem to be the same kind of young girl. I think maybe you should work on having some more variety in that regard. Again your sstuff looks good and you're doing a suuper job on clothes especially, but it seems to me that all the characters are similar, not in clothes and hair, but face and body.
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Post by: suuper-san on April 16, 2016, 10:55:08 AM
@forlorn she does seem a little doggy :P probably the hair looks a bit more like easrs than i planned.  i prefer catgirls but dont mind :P
-regarding hair designs, i just keep drawing from reference, and picking ones i like and trying to draw them. eventually you start to be more creative yourself, but you need to skill to draw it in the first place. my answer to almost everything is practice :P
-regarding ahoge/antenna hair, this is the first time i have drawn it in years, i couldnt get the hang of it for ages, but again, i just copied arts that i liked and i think i have the hang of it. there are all sorts of ahoge, so just look around and pick a type that you think you can copy.

@walterB thanks, i have been working on skirts, since i usually draw shorts :P when the head is tilted, i have trouble drawing the head proportions right, so the shin came out a bit more pointier than i planned :P

@jamie thanks man :P

@manimal thanks, typically i do draw the same body type, when i am working on something else, to reduce the amount of needed brain power. in the last set, i was practicing different poses with shirt/skirt, so skipped a bit on the individuality. but i still tried to give them different faces (especially on the eyes) , hair, and body types. i have tried drawing older and younger characters, but it doesnt always come out well. as always, i will keep up the practice :P

thanks for all the comments guys, i am working to set my record for most drawings done in a month, so i havnt been as active here as normal :P but for a good reason :P

heres my latest, trying to draw individual characters from the face alone. i wasnt focusing on head shape much but sort of tried to make it look OK

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160416_232337_zpscwiw1pvm.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160416_232337_zpscwiw1pvm.jpg.html)
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Post by: Secret of the Stars on April 17, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Wow! You do some great work in a very short amount of time!

What's it like when you put more than an hour into a piece? What does that look like?
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Post by: suuper-san on April 17, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
@secretofthestars thanks! if i draw for more than an hour, its usually digital and coloured, like this one that took between 1.5 and 2 hours to draw:

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-03-05%2001.21.48_zpsjhqtse9c.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-03-05%2001.21.48_zpsjhqtse9c.png.html)

i am always trying to improve my speed :P
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Post by: Austadophilus on April 17, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
I love it! So pretty for an increased speed. Wish I could get to where you are with my coloring. ^^
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Post by: Walter B on April 17, 2016, 07:59:34 PM
really cool man so do you know the best way to color digitally quickly? specially things that are done often like the skin. how do you color that skin?
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Post by: suuper-san on May 07, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
@Austadophilus keep practicing. i colour with flat colours first, the on another layer with "multiply" setting i paint shades in reddish greys or other grey-colours

@walterB thanks i am still trying to work out a way to colour "quickly" digitally. a lot of artist paint past their lines and erase back, some paint to the lines carefully the first time. i havnt done enough to tell if there is a fast way, but really practice and getting used to the method you are using will speed your work up by 200%+ anyway :P
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Post by: suuper-san on May 22, 2016, 03:45:06 PM
its been horrendously busy, but im getting to the end of it (again). i hope to be able to comment on everyone's galleries soon

just did this in a space of time i had free.
as always, i work on speed above anything else.
still wondering whether tracing it to give a traditional feel is worth it, or just make it my own manga style. i have seen both done in mangas (although i cant tell traced or not), so im not too bothered either way.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/office%201c%2030mins_zpszacrat1t.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/office%201c%2030mins_zpszacrat1t.png.html)

theres no ceiling in case you are wondering where the extra light is coming from :P
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on May 23, 2016, 12:48:49 AM
Was this traced? I didn't quite understand what you meant.

Either way, I'm impressed with the lighting.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 23, 2016, 07:51:37 AM
i designed it in (google) sketchup, but i was wondering about tracing (in PS or GIMP) it to give it a "traditionally drawn" feel, but have not actually tried it out yet
the lighting is a standard thing in sketchup so there was no skill on my part, other than ticking a box :P

i was having a sort of bad day so its probably that i didn't explain myself as well as normally :P
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on May 23, 2016, 07:56:17 AM
i've never even heard of sketchup. Wow. time to look it up.

finished looking it up. Jesus, this will help a lot.

Any other tools i should know for an amatuer/wannabe/reluctant mangaka?
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Post by: suuper-san on May 23, 2016, 08:17:27 AM
hmmmmmmm really all you need is a pen and paper. sketchup helps for 3D like buildings, but it wont help for the people side of things. practice is all i can say, i dont really use any other tools.

although not a tool but a technique, gesture drawing is very helpful in learning proportions and poses.

although it may seem hard at first, sketchup is really easy to get good results quickly. have fun :P
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Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on May 26, 2016, 02:02:02 AM
that look great suup ... can we  also put colours in sketch up or is it just for highlighting shapes?
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Post by: suuper-san on May 26, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
@TGQN thanks!

you can make it as realistic as you like.
you can colour faces, or add textures (pictures) such as brick, concrete etc.you can also make it transparent to be glass.

heres something I was playing around with that helps to explain it. i disabled shadows for this picture so it could look a lot more realistic.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/colloseum1%20-%20Copy_zpscpcf9u6l.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/colloseum1%20-%20Copy_zpscpcf9u6l.jpeg.html)


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Post by: suuper-san on May 26, 2016, 04:53:55 PM
latest 3D, just trying to get the hang of quick design. I cant say its working oto well, i get caught up in the littlest of things instead of focusing on a whole finished item

a huge building. the dots are people. never added much windows, wasnt sure what i was doing
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/largebuilding%201%2030mins_zpsb9lhnue6.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/largebuilding%201%2030mins_zpsb9lhnue6.jpeg.html)

and a nice looking thing
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/largebuilding%202b_zpsrmxfmhoa.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/largebuilding%202b_zpsrmxfmhoa.jpeg.html)

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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on May 26, 2016, 04:58:52 PM
did you buy the full product? I'm using the 30 day trial. I am going to use my brother's college email to get the discount, because i know this will help me but i can't learn everything in 30 days.

Also are you just making it up as you go or do you do rough sketches and then try to do it using this program?

Here's an old architecture line, "form follows function"  Well, for modernist designs.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 26, 2016, 05:05:49 PM
rule number 1: never spend money if possible :P
i just use the free version (Sketchup Make, not Sketchup Pro). a lot of functionality can be added by plugins/extensions which a lot are also free as well.
i have no idea what the difference is though.

Also are you just making it up as you go or do you do rough sketches and then try to do it using this program?
YES!
i do a little of both. normally if i start in Sketchup i have no idea what i will do, but if i start on paper i plan it out. the office was the only thing planned out that i have posted so far. really i am just practicing skills.

thats the first time i had heard the phrase "form follows function", cant say i am a fan of any sort of design style, as always i just do what i want :P
which probably doesnt help :P
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on May 26, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Form follows function is a principle associated with modernist architecture and industrial design in the 20th century. The principle is that the shape of a building or object should be primarily based upon its intended function or purpose.
-google

I think this limits fantasy elements but it can be useful when designing things that you want real world limitations. When you don't you end up with crazy swords, guns, whatever that aren't practical, in the real world. I think this way of thinking would fit hard sci-fi writers and artists.
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on May 27, 2016, 07:58:52 AM
How much patience did u use men its very nice btw can i just ask whats ur plan after designing fast sketchups
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Post by: suuper-san on May 27, 2016, 03:08:51 PM
@forlorn yeah that style suits my style of thinking. the trouble is that i dont really get very imaginative results thinking logically, so i try and make details that i dont even understand why they are there, like the large building in my last post.
i would rather my buildings look like crazy guns than boring cubes :P

@killerB once you get the hang of it you can make them quite quickly. i plan to use the designs in my manga background panels.

heres a couple of buildings i made trying to keep the style the same.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/playing%201_zpsiqe4ooif.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/playing%201_zpsiqe4ooif.jpeg.html)
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on May 27, 2016, 03:25:39 PM
Those are jigsaw buildings  :tongue:. If that was in a city, I would say the city council is trying to create a sense of unity. Or you can probably see it as separating "groups" since they don't actually connect. Racist! I'm just playing here.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 27, 2016, 03:27:53 PM
hahaha thats not a bad idea actually, i might try and make a jigsaw styled city version at one point. thanks for the idea :P

yes, buildings are racist because they are not all connected :P somewhere in there the logic got a bit skewed :P
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on May 27, 2016, 03:31:07 PM
I took a class in rhetoric for cities. Buildings, signs, roads, even tree layout can reveal a lot about the intentions of the planner and what they want to say about their constructions. Or it might be a load of bull.
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Post by: legomaestro on May 27, 2016, 04:11:46 PM
How hard would you say it is to learn Google Sketchup Suuper? Those stuff look real good! I look at the webtoons out there and see a possibility to make some 3d backgrounds for a comic in the future. I'm just not sure how practical and easy it is to learn to make stuff haha.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 27, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
i know i sound like a broken record, but really practice is all it takes.
CAD (computer aided design) is one of the few areas that i would say i actually have a talent for using the programs well. but to be honest, it is very easy to use sketchup. what is hard is to work quickly and efficiently. you can learn the basics in an hour, and you know all the skills that i have ever used so far. but knowing the order of using those skills is much harder.

i will do a tutorial if i can find the time, summer holiday is fast approaching. trouble is when i get a really good day with lots of time, i just do lots of drawing and never get around to making tutorials :P
i will seriously do something though at some point, because there are some techniques i use that i have never seen in a tutorial, at least not deliberately.

on a scale of 1-10 difficulty:
3/10 to learn the tools
5/10 to learn speed techniques and actually use them
6/10 bonus stuff thats kinda one off and only good for showing off
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Post by: legomaestro on May 27, 2016, 04:46:19 PM
Hahaha I still keep on hoping for some sort of magic pill or something o nthat front.

CAD sounds too brutal to even consider dwnloading haha. Ah I see what you mean about Sketchup.

Well no rush dude. Just interested i nknowing a few tips here and there. A video would be great for the MR Youtube channel though if you ever get around to it.

Easy to learn then. Relatively. I hope to have time during the summer holidays too...
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Post by: suuper-san on May 27, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
CAD is a generic term used to refer to any program, i use it a lot at school so it sounds like a program itself out of context. sorry lol

ahhh yes the MR youtube which i completely forgot about. yes i will consider it, thanks for reminding me.

there has to be a magic pill somewhere :P
trouble is, i think you only discover it once you already have the skill, its more of a retrospective pill :P
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Post by: legomaestro on May 27, 2016, 05:09:33 PM
Yeah I'm pretty aware its for academic things so yeah, that's why I fear it so much. Definitely not freeware huh?

Haha the retrospective pill.

What are you working on actually? Studying or do you have a manga planned? You made quite a good one back then dude
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Post by: suuper-san on May 27, 2016, 05:35:39 PM
sorry, i probably wasnt clear again, CAD is EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING is CAD. Sketchup is CAD, Blender is CAD etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-aided_design
therefore, it has no price because it is not a thing :P

i am currently working on:
-male faces
-male body
-backgrounds (traditional and Sketchup)
which will take approx 1-2 months or until school breaks (because i never draw male it will take a lot of time)

then i am working on
-shading (hair/faces/body/clothes/everything)
-and also screentoning (digitally) shading for manga style render only (my last manga had no shading i will NOT repeat that)
which will take a month or so or less (considering i will be off school)

then i am working on
-expressions
-effects
-camera angles
-testing using Sketchup in manga panels (making the Sketchup look more hand drawn etc and shading etc)
for about a week or two (basically miscellaneous stuff but relevant to a manga)

then i am finally working on
-one shot manga
OR
-actual manga with a potential of 10-20 chapters
whichever seems more doable or i like the story more.

so in theory, in three months or less i should be churning out my first chapter. needless to say it wont happen as i plan, but i like to plan to do more so i overachieve rather than underplan and underachieve.
i have worked out a schedule that means i can turn out a whole chapter (30 pages) every three weeks, but that uses all my drawing time, so no extra sketching at all.

in holiday time i can churn out 30 pages in a full week, but it will kill me :P

and i actually need a story......................
You made quite a good one back then dude
thanks. worst case scenario, i will reuse that story, but i only have about 5 chapters in my head so far and then it just.............stops. writers block i guess. i mean i can just do the 5 chapters, that will be an achievement in itself.

wow i wrote a lot, time to sleep i think :P

oh heres a spaceship, got bored so i probably wont finish it

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/spaceship%20got%20bored_zpsk2p6xxad.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/spaceship%20got%20bored_zpsk2p6xxad.jpeg.html)
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Post by: legomaestro on May 27, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
Yikes my bad. And yeah, that sounds like quite the healthy list. I need to actually write mine out too and see what I'm aiming at.

Anyways peace
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on May 28, 2016, 01:21:54 AM
thats pretty amazing dude actually its impressive haha looking forward to your work men
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Post by: RaziKitsune on May 28, 2016, 02:44:39 AM
Body of text
i am currently working on:
-male faces
-male body
-backgrounds (traditional and Sketchup)
which will take approx 1-2 months or until school breaks (because i never draw male it will take a lot of time)

then i am working on
-shading (hair/faces/body/clothes/everything)
-and also screentoning (digitally) shading for manga style render only (my last manga had no shading i will NOT repeat that)
which will take a month or so or less (considering i will be off school)

then i am working on
-expressions
-effects
-camera angles
-testing using Sketchup in manga panels (making the Sketchup look more hand drawn etc and shading etc)
for about a week or two (basically miscellaneous stuff but relevant to a manga)

then i am finally working on
-one shot manga
OR
-actual manga with a potential of 10-20 chapters
whichever seems more doable or i like the story more.

so in theory, in three months or less i should be churning out my first chapter. needless to say it wont happen as i plan, but i like to plan to do more so i overachieve rather than underplan and underachieve.
i have worked out a schedule that means i can turn out a whole chapter (30 pages) every three weeks, but that uses all my drawing time, so no extra sketching at all.

in holiday time i can churn out 30 pages in a full week, but it will kill me :P

and i actually need a story......................

Whoa that's a major study load! I roughly do the same, I feel. Like I plan out all the study material and plan out the steps though they don't follow through as solid as my plans do lol.
I'm totally digging your sketchup work so far! I also have the program and I'm no where NEAR as far as you are with it.
Those details man.. @ w@

I'm currently working on toning and story boarding as well as different shading styles.
 
Whenever and whatever you produce, I look forward to seeing it!
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Post by: suuper-san on May 28, 2016, 03:35:52 AM
@lego actually writing it out as i did sort of makes it more real, and i think that way you can keep your focus and manage what you are achieving.

@killerB thanks, i hope i can get as much done as i want!

@Razikitsune yeah i have recently been doing more and more, and with the school holidays approaching i hope to have a lot of 8 hour drawing days. i should be able to get a lot done as long as i dont get tired :P
thanks and keep up your toning and shading. Sketchup is really easy to use, you will get better in no time :P
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Post by: suuper-san on May 28, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
latest 3D: a friend of mine said he was making a city in Sketchup, so i tried my hand at a really quick pseudo-good city.
turned out quite well and i think i know what i would improve for the next one.
bear in mind, this is basically using cheating methods so doesnt really count as actual hard work or skill lol

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/city1a%2030mins_zpsvecq8a3l.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/city1a%2030mins_zpsvecq8a3l.jpeg.html)
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Post by: suuper-san on May 29, 2016, 03:13:39 AM
latest again, took an hour and a half this time. some plugins would have made it faster but i didnt want to install stuff this morning.

will probably try and make residential style area with similar methods next time

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/city2a_zpsfwgdkoai.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/city2a_zpsfwgdkoai.jpeg.html)
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Post by: RaziKitsune on May 29, 2016, 03:44:56 AM
latest again, took an hour and a half this time. some plugins would have made it faster but i didnt want to install stuff this morning.

will probably try and make residential style area with similar methods next time

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/city2a_zpsfwgdkoai.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/city2a_zpsfwgdkoai.jpeg.html)

Holy-whoa! Those are epic!  Like seriously.. I wouldn't even know where to begin on such a large map like structure.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 29, 2016, 04:01:13 AM
thanks!
I wouldn't even know where to begin on such a large map like structure.
begin at the bottom :P
i made a map of the roads and then sliced the remaining sections onto smaller chunks, made them look interesting and extruded them, made them look interesting and extruded again, and just coped :P
i will probably do a tutorial once i improve my workflow :P
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Post by: suuper-san on May 29, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
latest 3D: going to give it a rest now until i need it, i think i have reached my current top speed

testing out some different renders on buildings. not using reference so it went kinda....boring
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/building%20render%201%2015min_zps5dv6ppt2.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/building%20render%201%2015min_zps5dv6ppt2.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/building%20render%202%2015min_zpszh5pstcl.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/building%20render%202%2015min_zpszh5pstcl.jpeg.html)

and a couple of buildings/items that i copied from some holiday snaps

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/DSC01133_zpsbgidgcoq.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/DSC01133_zpsbgidgcoq.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/DSC01103_zps0fdslsxv.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/DSC01103_zps0fdslsxv.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/DSC01191_zpsva8z0yuf.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/DSC01191_zpsva8z0yuf.jpg.html)

now onto some actual manga drawing for a while :P
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Post by: Echo_River on May 30, 2016, 02:42:08 PM
Wow, that's a pretty interesting building design, the first one.

Your renders of the photos are neat. I like how you add the textures to them.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 30, 2016, 02:46:52 PM
thanks!
adding the textures helped make the objects a little more realistic than i would normally do. since in manga, it will be black and white for starters :P
i made them quite quickly so there are mistakes all over but it helped improve my workflow :P
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Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2016, 09:07:39 AM
latest sketching while on holiday this half term, just trying to get male figure and face down. didnt draw too much it was too hot :P

gonna seriously get something done the next few months

Spoiler

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_135941_zpssjsxlgmx.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_135941_zpssjsxlgmx.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140007_zpsiomaw047.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140007_zpsiomaw047.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140014_zpsoho1djju.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140014_zpsoho1djju.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140023_zpspdpdrfwb.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140023_zpspdpdrfwb.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140038_zps5gajvxkb.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140038_zps5gajvxkb.jpg.html)

plus some buildings

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140030_zps1spoza3x.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_140030_zps1spoza3x.jpg.html)

and a portrait of my dad (top left) took about 5 mins. he seriously doesnt know how to stay still :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_135954_zpsjkzsb8qw.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160605_135954_zpsjkzsb8qw.jpg.html)
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Post by: Walter B on June 05, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
the one of your dad is great!

the shading on his left cheek (the one you see more) looks off to me somehow. like too sharp

those look real cool, keep it up man! I also love that you are making more varied things instead of drawing the same loli over and over again.   :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
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Post by: MaidenManga on June 05, 2016, 11:55:24 AM
Im loving the practice with angles and faces and features, and the 3d work absolute love that. Well done
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Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
@walter yeah i see what you mean about the sharp cheek :P
haha yeah i need to practice more different things if i want to draw a manga :P

@illuminati thanks!
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Post by: Ryan on June 05, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
My advice for hatching is to not outline the areas you hatched or will hatch, otherwise you get that sharp look Walter mentioned.  It is useful for sharp edges that would be there on the face, like creases and such, but doesn't work for smoother parts of the face.
Spoiler
(http://library.wustl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mghl_flagg-02.jpg)

It does look like you were trying to use your pen to 'shade,' but the principle stays true there as well. With a pencil you'd do a soft-transitional edge, but with pen you need to be more crafty to get that soft-edge. Any spherical forms do best without any lines that stand out from the hatch.

This principle at least applies mostly to the face. At least in this case, it is 'human' to draw these types of lines, but 'heavenly' to do without them. There is a lot more leeway to other subjects.

Nice renders lately, as well ^.^

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Post by: legomaestro on June 05, 2016, 03:27:25 PM
Great portrait there Suuper! And I know the feel man haha.

Like the sketches too

@Ryan love that pen and ink work. Is that James Montgomery? I can't quite make out the words.
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Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2016, 03:31:18 PM
@ryan yeah after i drew it was actually considering that very point. i sort of liked it though, but i will try without to get a smoother edge. but i think for practice i will probably use a borderline because i like it :P

i mucked up a bit of the shading because i wasnt paying attention, but you learn from your mistakes as always :P

@lego thanks man :P

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Post by: MaidenManga on June 08, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
latest 3D: a friend of mine said he was making a city in Sketchup, so i tried my hand at a really quick pseudo-good city.
turned out quite well and i think i know what i would improve for the next one.
bear in mind, this is basically using cheating methods so doesnt really count as actual hard work or skill lol

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/city1a%2030mins_zpsvecq8a3l.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/city1a%2030mins_zpsvecq8a3l.jpeg.html)

NO. Still looks awesome dude, love it. Looks too cool
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Post by: suuper-san on June 09, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
@illuminati thanks! ive gone back to drawing traditionally for a while now though:P

Latest: trying to get some of my sketching over into digital to get used to it when i do it more.
just was mucking about getting used to the tablet and what settings and brushes i like in GIMP

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Misc/2016-06-09%20playing1_zps7yoz8ebf.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Misc/2016-06-09%20playing1_zps7yoz8ebf.jpeg.html)
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Post by: suuper-san on June 09, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
First time in a while posting a WIP, but 1) its taking a long time so far and 2) i need to sleep for work :P

still getting the hang of GIMP, as the minutes passed i improved my workflow, adding shortcuts and stuff, and i am still getting used to my tablet, again, but i think i will stick with it a lot longer now as i transition into digital for my proper drawings. sketches and most of my stuff will still be ballpoint, but anything good will get done digitally as well for practice :P

took 40mins to get this far, although i did re-ink it twice before i accepted it as not getting any better today :P

been using the tablet as a mouse as well to get used to it :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-06-09%20testdraw1_zpsruce6o6g.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-06-09%20testdraw1_zpsruce6o6g.jpeg.html)
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Post by: MaidenManga on June 10, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
@illuminati thanks! ive gone back to drawing traditionally for a while now though:P

Latest: trying to get some of my sketching over into digital to get used to it when i do it more.
just was mucking about getting used to the tablet and what settings and brushes i like in GIMP

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Misc/2016-06-09%20playing1_zps7yoz8ebf.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Misc/2016-06-09%20playing1_zps7yoz8ebf.jpeg.html)

This is your sketch work transferred over? Did you then change to digital? Your graffiti style is a complimented by the digital work. GIMP is another type of software or something?
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Post by: suuper-san on June 10, 2016, 05:29:21 PM
no i started in digital and just mucked about :P
i sort of tried to use balanced colours but its mostly just me mucking about :P
yes GIMP is a free version of photoshop with similar interface and features

latest again, a bit of face gesture drawing. almost got the hang of my tablet.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-10%20s1_zpsu4j2hbvy.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-10%20s1_zpsu4j2hbvy.jpg.html)
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Post by: MaidenManga on June 10, 2016, 05:31:03 PM
no i started in digital and just mucked about :P
i sort of tried to use balanced colours but its mostly just me mucking about :P
yes GIMP is a free version of photoshop with similar interface and features

Ohh my bad I see  :D

& Ohh! I see, not a bad shout actually. Saves money a year subscription -.-'' unless torrent ofcc
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Post by: suuper-san on June 12, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
it does indeed save money. i will pay for Photoshop when i feel it is worth changing from GIMP :P

latest: still getting the hang of GIMP :P
cant get smooth lines yet but they are getting better. i had to pause my male body and buildings drawings so i could sketch more easily to practice digital :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-06-12%20s1_zpsdojodmcj.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-06-12%20s1_zpsdojodmcj.png.html)
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Post by: legomaestro on June 13, 2016, 07:41:18 AM
Love that grafitti work there suuper. And damn you're so lucky you can draw cute characters so easily haha. I need to learn that.

As always you make plenty of gestures for your studies. Props!
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Post by: suuper-san on June 13, 2016, 10:48:41 AM
@lego thanks, the graffitti was just mucking about, i have never drawn anything like that before :P cute characters are generally easier to draw when you use lots of curves for everything :P

im starting to think quantity of gestures is not everything though, i will be doing more memory gestures, i think thats the way to go. i still remember distinctly at least half the poses that i drew from memory like a month ago, so i think its worth looking into a bit more :P
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Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on June 13, 2016, 12:38:56 PM
that looks cute...what a coincidence, I also started out digital with GIMP ... did somethings like this

Spoiler
(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/10959644_368970113275546_5577345294786061761_n.jpg?oh=60b66bafc0fec646bf812606ac3e845b&oe=57CC2A48)

It was a nightmare, because I didn't know the existence of graphic tablets and did colouring with the mouse (lineart on paper)...lol

How about Clip Studio Paint pro? it's really really cheap compared to Photoshop but really good for starter IMOP and I hear a many people saying they are quitting photoshop  for it.

http://my.smithmicro.com/manga-studio-5.html
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Post by: suuper-san on June 13, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
ahhh nice recommendation, that certainly looks more affordable :P
i will include that in my to look at list when i finally decide to buy something

lol at that story page though :P
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Post by: suuper-san on June 13, 2016, 05:50:24 PM
latest: starting to pick up speed, and feeling slightly less uncomfortable using the tablet. mucked about with skin tone a bit as well :P

took 70mins in total, i kinda picked up some old (bad) proportion habits again so i have to fix them again. i blame the tablet :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-06-13%20t1_zps5igugat0.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-06-13%20t1_zps5igugat0.jpeg.html)

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Post by: suuper-san on June 14, 2016, 05:55:12 PM
latest: did a manga page (just like everyone else seems to be dong :P), dunno if its funny or not, its probably too scruffy to read :P sorry about my scruffy handwriting as well, im not used to writing on the tablet yet :P

ive decided to go ahead with more manga pages and skip the worrying about proportions/anatomy and basic skill stuff and focus more on the panels and story for a bit. this is totally not what i planned but its probably better :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-14%20m1_zps1gu8ffqi.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-14%20m1_zps1gu8ffqi.jpeg.html)
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Post by: suuper-san on June 16, 2016, 08:12:36 PM
Latest work in progress, i hope to finish tomorrow
So far its taken 90 minutes, so when fimished will probably be my longest piece, although i dont know how to colour anything other than people and clothes, so i might leave it as a lineart and just colour the character :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201606170106_zps6ugejudf.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/artflow_201606170106_zps6ugejudf.png.html)
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Post by: The SlamJam on June 16, 2016, 08:52:19 PM
Damn Suuper! Looking great! Scale is really good :)
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Post by: Echo_River on June 16, 2016, 09:35:11 PM
Wow, a full scene O:
He'll be standing in the matrix once you colour him ;p
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Post by: suuper-san on June 17, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
@Jamie thanks i was surprised myself actually because i just randomly drew it and kept adding stuff without thinking.

@echo yeah its like the only full scene i have ever drawn :P
i was thinking of him wearing a labcoat, but a black version would be very matrixy :P

i am working on the final version now, i will try using Sketchup to make the room and see how that looks :P

EDIT: Sketchup worked very well, here is one render that i tried out, but i will probably change it later for a slightly better quality one. i am seriously happy with this so far. took 3 hours.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/lab1%20120s_zpsqhfmfkbt.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/lab1%20120s_zpsqhfmfkbt.jpeg.html)

once i have the final drawing, i will go over and paint in extra details, like little corners of tape to hold the posters up and stuff :P
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Post by: MaidenManga on June 19, 2016, 05:07:03 AM
Was just messaging another user I was meant to message on your stuff earlier, very happy you've got the comic strip started - I totally agree, work on your skills, on the side of manga stuff here and there. Comic/manga work itself will improve your skill to do what's necessary, might do a post on that later actually... You also get a firsthand experience into actually doing manga and knowing what is required and how it feels like.

I'll be following both strips from you guys, it may motivate me to pump out more of my own comic material as opposed to the side drawings. Keep it up Super I'm watching O.O  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 19, 2016, 02:25:13 PM
@cheshireZephyr thanks for your comment! until i decide on an actual story the pages will be a little random :P

here the reason i havnt uploaded anything recently - it all looks like this:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-19%20s1_zpsyadijrod.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-19%20s1_zpsyadijrod.jpeg.html)

i think i have got the hang of the graphics tablet, sort of :P
and now its more that my skills have gone awry :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MaidenManga on June 19, 2016, 03:55:49 PM
I've already told ya I liked that - because all that is meaningful practice - especially if you want to do pages, you can then identify where the weaknesses are and strengths and practice accordingly, that's how we improve right ? ;)

You seem to be more comfy with that boy char, perhaps a protag one day?

Don't be reluctant to post more pics of practice and ask for pointers online, I'm sure others will help you out - I strongly believe in helping others improve, I think the community should be a little more active in that respect. If we all make a conscious effort to keep each other in check and help positively critique and encourage we'll get a steeper learning curve with much more online users here.

Like I tell people here I'm watching all your posts. Keep this practice up I wanna see improvement.  :thumbsup: More posts! ^^
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Echo_River on June 19, 2016, 04:21:35 PM
I haven't posted much for the exact same reason suuper haha.
There's this pile of scrap paper I have on my desk that seems content to bear a full area of sketches. :p
Some of the sketches look good though. Sometimes they give you references to look at later too.
Keep it up XD

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 19, 2016, 04:42:07 PM
@ChecshireZephyr if i posted all my drawings the forum would crash :P typically what i mean is that i am having a bad day and nothing comes out good, and even i know whats wrong, i just cant move my hands right :P

@echo haha well keep it up yourself, im sure your sketches are better than mine :P

latest:
Not sure if i can post this somewhere specific since its a big part of a story that i am working on.
There dont seem to be any sections for "Developing Manga" ie page sketches
but it could just be me, if anyone know where this should go let me know please :)

but here is the official "bokura no manga" chapter 1 (part 1) sketches:
sorry if you cant read my writing, if i make a specific topic somewhere i will give a manuscript (which i need to type anyway to actually put it into my manga :P)

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/01_zpskpvgycoc.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/01_zpskpvgycoc.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/02_zps1vuetegt.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/02_zps1vuetegt.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/03_zps32ib5jyy.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/03_zps32ib5jyy.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/04_zpskbpeowtn.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/04_zpskbpeowtn.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/05_zpslmabxyce.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/05_zpslmabxyce.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/06_zpss5dh59u6.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/06_zpss5dh59u6.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/07_zpsrliowihn.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/07_zpsrliowihn.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/08_zpsmqwb2zps.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/08_zpsmqwb2zps.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/BNM-S/09_zpsgtmef8l3.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/BNM-S/09_zpsgtmef8l3.jpeg.html)


Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MaidenManga on June 20, 2016, 01:26:05 PM
Okay well maybe not storyboard version pieces haha, but finished pages you should post!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 20, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
Haha it will be weeks before they are all drawn, i just wanted to post a sort of update :P

EDIT: talking of updates, my actual first integration of Sketchup into a final drawing. Used the tablet to draw all the characters and sort of picked up a bit of speed as well :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/2016-06-20%20railings%20wc%20-%20Copy_zpssejmr6xu.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/2016-06-20%20railings%20wc%20-%20Copy_zpssejmr6xu.png.html)

if anyone knows how to properly put characters into a drawing, like in front of and behind stuff, left me know :P
do i have to use multiple copies of the picture i wonder......
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MK on June 20, 2016, 08:40:53 PM
To properly place and size your characters to proportion you just need to know where your vanishing points are and measure the character using another character.  You can look up Mark Crilley's video on drawing characters in perspective.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Echo_River on June 20, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Whoaaa, nice drawing O: Was it hard to place the characters?
I really like the pose of the girl sitting at the top of the stairs.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: RaziKitsune on June 21, 2016, 06:08:49 AM
Fwww! That is a epic update there Suuper~ Really like the stairs depth (the bent/twist) Also the characters being on there really helps captures the scene. Ya'know show just how big the area is with interaction with the bodies. =D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 21, 2016, 08:28:14 AM
@matsui kenshin thanks for that idea, i had forgotten you could use vanishing points with people :P

@echo it was sort of hard, the problem i had was not to mucht he placement but drawing the characters from unusual starting positions, like the girl siting on the bar, i had to start with her legs and work up, so the proportions went a bit wrong. the girl at the top is my favourite :P

@razi thanks! i didnt think to add the people until after i had saved the image and was about to post it :P i think it took like 2 hours to add all the people, i had to use 4 layers of sketches before i was happy :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: legomaestro on June 21, 2016, 08:38:50 AM
That's really amazing suuper! Damn how did you even make such regal steps haha. The storyboard is pretty extensive too. I couldn't read everything but I could get the basic sense of the story.

Yeah, it'd be nice if there was a Develop Your Story for manga. You can still put that in the Writer's Section in any case. I'd love to see storyboarding become more of a thing.

Haha your exported 3d looks so well done. Props
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 21, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
thanks lego, i think i might start doing some tutorials on how to do simple 3D stuff soon since its fun and i enjoy talking about it. I think a video should probably be better i need to figure out how to do that :P

ahh ok i might make a topic in the writers section then. i will add a manuscript so it can be read :P

I couldn't read everything
I'm surprised you could read anything, i looked back at it just now and i am nearly stumped myself :P

theres a trick to making an export look nice, i will do a tutorial on that as well :P
busy, busy, busy :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on June 22, 2016, 02:38:12 AM
nc aha hope to see more of it haha its good  :D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 25, 2016, 07:04:22 PM
@killerB thanks!

latest: part of my 3D commision topic  (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,16406.0.html) to make this:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/Street01bS_zpsgqgx84br.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/Street01bS_zpsgqgx84br.jpeg.html)

i made a timelapse while i was at it :P

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=QfelYtQhirg
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Manimal on June 26, 2016, 02:24:16 PM
Oooh, that one of the staircase looks pretty good. Of course I was going to say 'the 3D backgrounds look good but they are too 3D" but seeing them in action like that, it looks good. Neato stuff, seems like your quest for backgrounds is working nicely!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 26, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
@manimal thanks, yeah i know what you mean about being "too 3D", at some point i will try and make the render look more hand-drawn at some point, but for now i just practice building it up :P
i think i would still want to hand draw some buildings, but that might be for single shots/illustrations only, not repetitive stuff :P

latest: another 3D request made by razikitsune
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/roof01S_zps8grcspbg.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/roof01S_zps8grcspbg.jpeg.html)

and the whole city

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/bonusS_zpsuvi1vujv.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/bonusS_zpsuvi1vujv.jpeg.html)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: legomaestro on June 26, 2016, 08:03:50 PM
Simply amazing stuff there suuper, serious props! That's some legit pro stuff there. How long did it take to make that city?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MaidenManga on June 27, 2016, 06:03:26 AM
@killerB thanks!

latest: part of my 3D commision topic  (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,16406.0.html) to make this:

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/Street01bS_zpsgqgx84br.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/Street01bS_zpsgqgx84br.jpeg.html)

i made a timelapse while i was at it :P

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=QfelYtQhirg


God, I love this - looks so satisfying hahaha. A little time consuming, perhaps! Fun nontheless. Need to have a go myself some time
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 27, 2016, 04:31:21 PM
@lego thanks! it took 90 mins to make that one, partly because i didnt build up speed until the second half :P

@cheshireZaphire thanks! it is indeed satisfying, but yeah it can take some time if you are making something big or detailed. i would love to make some robots :P

by the way, if anyone wants to see the city timelapse, here you go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqm1D7NiUh4)

latest work, having a bit of trouble adjusting to my tablet but getting there slowly slowly :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-27%20s2_zpswfqycelt.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-27%20s2_zpswfqycelt.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-27%20s3_zpse2xw3ksg.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-27%20s3_zpse2xw3ksg.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 28, 2016, 05:50:47 PM
got fed up with my tablet and went back to traditional, good old ballpoint.
an hour and a half of gestures later i finally warmed up and drew these, which weren't so bad :P
i feel slightly better with my life for the moment :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160628_224533%201_zps0fu9lslq.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160628_224533%201_zps0fu9lslq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on June 28, 2016, 05:59:04 PM
I know how you feel. I wish I could do only tablet drawings. Sure it adds another step but I prefer hand drawn sketches than just transfer them digitally to Line art them and hopefully color them later.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on June 28, 2016, 08:30:43 PM
Hha study torso men and hand in different angles  :tongue: got ya btw nc drawing kinda cute
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 29, 2016, 11:36:33 AM
@killerB thanks! yeah i need to study more :P

@forlornserpent i know , right, in fact thats what i just did:

latest: inked and coloured my earlier sketch :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-06-29%2001.20.27_zpseydmkdcu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-06-29%2001.20.27_zpseydmkdcu.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MaidenManga on June 29, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
@killerB thanks! yeah i need to study more :P

@forlornserpent i know , right, in fact thats what i just did:

latest: inked and coloured my earlier sketch :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-06-29%2001.20.27_zpseydmkdcu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-06-29%2001.20.27_zpseydmkdcu.jpeg.html)

Repost it bud didn't show up, totally understand you with the traditonal/digital stuff lol. Much faster to do stuff traditionally. Obviously with drawbacks but depends on whether it bothers you or not.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 29, 2016, 05:26:26 PM
photobucket was going through maintenance recently, i couldnt view some of my pictures last time i uploaded, but they are all back now, including that last one.

yeah i like digital because i can add colour and shade so easily, but i like traditional for the ease of actual drawing/lineart :P
if i get the hang of a tablet then i will be fine hopefully :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on June 29, 2016, 08:34:15 PM
Very good coloring and the proportion are good too
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 30, 2016, 02:35:45 AM
thanks! i was glad to be able to adjust my drawing with digital to improve the proprtions :P

I uploaded the speedpaint if anyone is interested

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=AkqUCWE3cOI
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on June 30, 2016, 05:08:42 PM
latest: working on starting to paint in gimp, and improving backgrounds

started with clouds and sunsets

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/206-06-30%20p1_zpsmpenhuhy.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/206-06-30%20p1_zpsmpenhuhy.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-30%20p2_zpsuh8fbra5.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-06-30%20p2_zpsuh8fbra5.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Miska on June 30, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
Looks good  :) But i think the clouds might be a bit too "blurred". You could try to add few sharper lines and see how it works.
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 01, 2016, 12:16:54 AM
Ah, it's really fun playing around with colors and seeing how they interact, isn't it? For now, your textures are a little rough, but with a little time and work, I'm sure you'll figure out how to get everything nice and layered and to have that smooth finish to it.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2016, 02:45:54 PM
@miska i did use the blur tool so thats probably why. i looked a a bunch of tutorials but none were helpful o i jsut made it up :P i will try out other methods until i find one that i like and that suits my style :P

@mahluaandmilk yes, although being colourblind puts me at a disadvantage :P i dont really get the hang of textures yet so it might be a while before i make anything good :P

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 01, 2016, 03:00:10 PM
@mahluaandmilk yes, although being colourblind puts me at a disadvantage :P i dont really get the hang of textures yet so it might be a while before i make anything good :P

Holy transparency, Batman! If you're colorblind and still managed to produce something like this, you can color me impressed! (Brb packing for Hell now.)

Okay, bad joke aside, I had no idea about that. That adds a new layer of my appreciation for your art. Keep it up, man. You're already on a great path, and like any artist, it'll come to you in good time and practice.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2016, 03:42:08 PM
haha thanks!
the advantage of digital means i can pick the colours i want with precision, although i cant copy a picture properly, i can compose with a fair amount of accuracy, although i cant see the difference between the red bow and the brown dress of this drawing :P
i have to rely heavily on RGB/HSV with colours i get confused with, and i do a lot of colour picking to learn values of skin tone etc :P
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-06-29%2001.20.27_zpseydmkdcu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-06-29%2001.20.27_zpseydmkdcu.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Echo_River on July 01, 2016, 05:32:03 PM
Cute drawing O: I like how you did the folds in the dress.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2016, 05:44:45 PM
@echo thanks! i have no idea how i did them though :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Miska on July 01, 2016, 05:53:25 PM
Looking at your art, i would have never guessed that you are colourblind :O it's amazing that you have still learned to colour so well!
As for the clouds, they do seem quite blurred in reality too, so drawing them that way is fine, especially on a drawing where you want to attract viewers full attention to the character(s) instead of background :) But if you ever want to make it feel a bit more "dramatic", adding some sharper lines should do the job.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2016, 06:17:14 PM
thanks for the tip! i will give it a shot some time!

Latest: a sketch page that turned out nicely. I hope to make at least half of the sketches on this page digital, which will keep me busy :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-07-01%2023.24.20_zpswuz4jrwi.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-07-01%2023.24.20_zpswuz4jrwi.png.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 02, 2016, 03:26:42 PM
was going to post later with a bunch of stuff, but this came up good so i thought i would post it now :P

took me 25 mins, which is not bad given it was a page width high :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-07-02%20-%20Copy_zps0bsy6zl2.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-07-02%20-%20Copy_zps0bsy6zl2.jpg.html)

EDIT: and here is the rest of what i did today:
i still hate my tablet, or rather me, for not being able to use it :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/20160702_221621_zpslgain2ui.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/20160702_221621_zpslgain2ui.jpg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-02%20s1_zps73nudshq.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-02%20s1_zps73nudshq.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-02_zpsc0falmf8.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-02_zpsc0falmf8.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Echo_River on July 02, 2016, 06:26:28 PM
Ooh! Nice! I like how the hair flows. Always love when it has a 3D look to it.

And that is quite the batch of sketches. How long did those take you altogether?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 02, 2016, 06:48:41 PM
Thanks! I love 3Dish hair too, but its really hard to draw it :P
I think it took about 2 to 3 hours to do those sketches, i was doing other stuff at the same time otherwise it would have been a bit quicker :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 02, 2016, 09:45:04 PM
The girl looks well done indeed good job meeen :tongue:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 03, 2016, 04:04:17 PM
@killerB thanks!

latest: some copies, trying to get the hang of my tablet, starting to look like i might get the hang of it some time :P
i focused more on the colouring than anatomy, so there are a bunch of mistakes in that area.
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-03%20p1_zpsksr1utkw.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-03%20p1_zpsksr1utkw.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-03%20p2_zpslmo1qhgk.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-03%20p2_zpslmo1qhgk.jpeg.html)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: DBNext on July 04, 2016, 04:16:42 AM
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-07-02%20-%20Copy_zps0bsy6zl2.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-07-02%20-%20Copy_zps0bsy6zl2.jpg.html)

This is really good, and you've improved quite a lot since I last saw your thread!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 04, 2016, 07:51:08 AM
DBNext!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to see you here again!!!!!!
although its only been a couple of momths :P
thanks, ive been practicing hard :P
the trouble is keeping a high quality output for a high quantity, or long amount of time :P

latest: a bit more digital work.

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-04%20s1_zpsiew2ifht.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-04%20s1_zpsiew2ifht.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 05, 2016, 01:43:52 AM
impressive i like the quality even its still in progress hha  :tongue:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on July 05, 2016, 04:45:53 PM
@killerB thanks!

heres my finished version of my WIP: could have been better all over, but glad to have finished it.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/lab1%201400%20t2f_zpsf40z51di.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/lab1%201400%20t2f_zpsf40z51di.jpeg.html)

and the character on his own (first finished male character EVER)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201607032349_zpsqdpl4kyn.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201607032349_zpsqdpl4kyn.jpeg.html)

and......some.......painting :(
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-05%20p1_zpswzwy9crp.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-05%20p1_zpswzwy9crp.jpeg.html)
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Post by: Miska on July 05, 2016, 04:54:25 PM
I would have never guessed it's your first finished male character if you didn't say it  :D Looking good! How long did this take you?
Looks like you have really studied perspective, looks flawless to me  ;D
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Post by: suuper-san on July 05, 2016, 06:46:46 PM
@miska thanks! To draw the character might have taken about 2 hours, i did it over several days so i didnt keep track of the time too well.
Haha the background is drawn in Sketchup, so no effort for perspective i'm afraid, but still took 3 hours to make it :P

I went ahead and coloured it ;P
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-07-05%2023.42.23_zpsuxrkks1w.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-07-05%2023.42.23_zpsuxrkks1w.png.html)
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Post by: Forlorn Serpent on July 05, 2016, 06:54:48 PM
he looks like a douche  :tongue: I still like the design. I just want to punch him in the face.

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Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 05, 2016, 06:58:18 PM
I wouldn't say he looks like a douche, per se. Anyone with a neon yellow biohazard shirt is okay in my book. Then again, I'm cybergoth/rivet-head industrial garbage.
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Post by: Miska on July 06, 2016, 03:48:09 AM
Background is still well done  :D I tried sketchup once but couldn't understand it. Learning to use it would've required some patience which i didn't have at the time.
I like the colors and his shirt. He reminds me a bit of that guy from Steins Gate (can't remember his name at the moment).
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Post by: suuper-san on July 06, 2016, 12:35:20 PM
@forlorn haha well we can all have our own opinions. i suppose he does look a little full of himself, but i think hes just happy to be mad :P

@mahluaandmilk i have not actually seen one of those t-shirts in real life yet but i love them all the same :P

@miska thanks, it does require a bit of patience, and then when designing complex things, it requires a lot of patience :P
and thanks, ahhh i might have been subconsciously influenced by steins;gate Hououin Kyouma  :P
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Post by: Echo_River on July 06, 2016, 12:38:06 PM
Nicely coloured! He looks ready to experiment on the world lol.
Kind of reminds me of Coryn.
Always love lab coats. A little detail though I noticed might be missing, though I'm not sure if all lab coats have it, but I think he would like some pockets to stick his hands into :p
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Post by: suuper-san on July 06, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
@echo thanks!
haha well actually it is modelled after myself. any similarities to Coryn are possible but not intended :P
labcoats do indeed have pockets, mine normally are too full for putting hands in but i try :P
i may amend the image again and add the extra details, as i was a bit tired when i drew it :P
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Post by: MaidenManga on July 08, 2016, 06:45:09 AM
@killerB thanks!

heres my finished version of my WIP: could have been better all over, but glad to have finished it.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/lab1%201400%20t2f_zpsf40z51di.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/lab1%201400%20t2f_zpsf40z51di.jpeg.html)

and the character on his own (first finished male character EVER)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/artflow_201607032349_zpsqdpl4kyn.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/artflow_201607032349_zpsqdpl4kyn.jpeg.html)

and......some.......painting :(
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-05%20p1_zpswzwy9crp.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2016-07-05%20p1_zpswzwy9crp.jpeg.html)

Love it
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Post by: suuper-san on July 08, 2016, 03:14:02 PM
@cheshirezephyr thanks!

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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 08, 2016, 07:21:10 PM
He looks manly men good work  :tongue:
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Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
thanks!

lastest: finally made something from scratch with GIMP, and i have a completely new mindset now which should help with quantity of final pieces but not quality :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-07-09%20p1_zpspvhrddi3.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-07-09%20p1_zpspvhrddi3.jpeg.html)

for those that like speed paints:
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=Bybjhz6-BKc
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2016, 03:39:35 PM
You did that with GIMP??? :ohmy: I remember trying to work with that program for a while. I never could get into it as much as I could Photoshop. I think it was that the interface really bugged me.

Either way, it looks wonderful regardless of the program. I love how you managed to get such soft color. My only qualm would be the face shape and how it makes her look a little...mousey, I guess? Eh, it's nothing super detrimental.

(Anyway, ugh, I can't see the speedpaint due to a playback error, but I won't say that's your fault, because that happens to me everywhere on this site that has a video embed.)
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Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2016, 03:45:16 PM
Thanks, haha if you work at it anything is possible, i mean even some people can do geat things with MSpaint
Yes i wasnt too happy with the face shape or the hands, but i figured it would be best to finish it than keep amending it :P
You can search me on youtube by the username flawlessparadox (and the same on deviantart), thats where i uploaded the video, you might figure how how to get the hang of gimp, but if you already have photoshop then thats sort of redundant :P
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2016, 04:51:25 PM
Irony: I fare better on MSPaint than GIMP myself. I mostly use it for sketches and loose gestures because it doesn't exactly have a layer feature.
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Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2016, 05:34:10 PM
interesting, just goes to show everyone is different.
do you not get on with layers or something?

latest: a shed in Sketchup

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Shed01S_zps6w4nyt1k.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Shed01S_zps6w4nyt1k.jpeg.html)
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Post by: MK on July 09, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
How long does it usually take for your Sketchup models?
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Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2016, 06:34:39 PM
about half an hour to an hour, depending on the complexity.
the shed took 45 minutes.
i speed up when i know what i am doing, and i stuggle and slow down when my mental image is not clear, similar to drawing really :P
here is the timelapse x15 speed

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=O9M8I8Sizpk
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Post by: legomaestro on July 09, 2016, 06:51:33 PM
Man, just the fact that the planks were diagonally placed alongside eachother has defeated me. I thought the window frame would be a simple opening but nope, it's even more detailed than that haha. Some some real top notch 3d work dude! Teach me your skills!

That Z building in wooden doors has always interested me as well - does it serve any purpose?

Even the roof was super detailed haha
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Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
Thanks, i tried to make it realistic but i couldnt remember hardly anythung from when i toomk carpentry at college so i made a lot of it up :P
I do plan on making a bunch of sketchup tutorials on how to do basic stuff so stay tuned :P

Interestingly,, the Z in the door adds strength and prevents the door from sagging under its own weight, since it is only suported on one side by its hinges
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
That Z building in wooden doors has always interested me as well - does it serve any purpose?

I believe it acts as both an adhesive and as a stabilizer. That extra plank that makes the diagonal of the Z serves to make sure the main planks of the door stay together even with the expanding and contrasting of weather moreso than the two on the top and bottom, which is why you see it on things like sheds more than house doors. It also makes it a little more sturdy, so if a strong wind comes by or someone just happens to kick the door, it's more likely to stay together.

(Dammit, suuper. I was typing this while you were responding. Ah, well, can't hurt to have a little more detail.)
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Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2016, 07:32:29 PM
@mahluaandmilk thats quite an interesting point you mentioned , i didnt know it helps when the beams expanded and contracted!
And yes having more wood to keep it all together adds general strength and resistance. I need to revisit my woodowrking books haha :P
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2016, 07:39:40 PM
It was actually something of a guesstimate. I mean, when you think about how wood works in the changing weather, eventually it would kind of bow out or in or apart without some kind of mid-drift support. It just makes sense that, even if it weren't the original purpose, that the diagonal bar would have that effect on keeping things together.
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 09, 2016, 08:50:36 PM
The quality is good i mean the gimp  :tongue:
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Post by: suuper-san on July 10, 2016, 05:21:57 AM
@mahluaandmilk oh i see, well it sounded right :P

@KillerB thanks! i hope to get better as i get used to my graphics tablet :P
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Post by: TK-Seki on July 10, 2016, 06:19:32 AM
Gimp was something I fiddled with before I got to Photoshop. And that looks really amazing, suuper! I just got Sketchup not so long ago, but I've gotten used to doing stuff manually. XD orzzzz that shed. <3
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Post by: suuper-san on July 10, 2016, 06:22:50 AM
yeah i plan to use photoshop one day, but for now anything free will do for practice :P
yes while i can draw manually in perspective, using 3D programs are such an advantage, i seriously recommend it. it pays for itself the moment you use the model again at a different angle, and instantly good perspective permanently is not to be sniffed at :P
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Post by: suuper-san on July 11, 2016, 05:38:06 PM
latest:just had to post this, which i am fairly proud of :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/Shrine01S_zpsqg3wm9wu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/Shrine01S_zpsqg3wm9wu.jpeg.html)

plus a tour (followed by timelapse making of):

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=whYN92qsluM
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Post by: suuper-san on July 13, 2016, 03:42:10 PM
finally did a sketch with a background!!!!!
its about A5 size and took 40 mins
gonna see if i cant make it nicely digital :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/IMG_0001%20-%20Copy_zps0dvmadrc.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/IMG_0001%20-%20Copy_zps0dvmadrc.jpg.html)
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Post by: OhGodHelpMe on July 13, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
Everything is looking great  :clapping:
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Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2016, 07:11:58 PM
As I commented on the video, that Japanese Garden is freaking amazing, especially since I saw the detail inside building up. Serious props suuper.

Love this one too. Looks very homely. Cute character too!
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Post by: suuper-san on July 13, 2016, 07:37:36 PM
@ohgodhelpme thanks!

@lego thanks, that took 5 hours to make, so it really helps to put time into something to get good results :P
And i was trying for a cute character, so glad you thought so :P

This will probably be my last post until after my holiday, i have been missing posting on other topics becuase i have been spending time packing :P

heres a 90min colouring i just finished. It seems it takes almost exactly an hour and a half consistently to do this level, hopefully i can cut that down with experience and practice. I will post a timelaspe once i edit it :P

My favourite bit is the shadow, but i think the edges didnt blur properly :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-07-14%2000.30.04_zpsefjltuzh.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-07-14%2000.30.04_zpsefjltuzh.png.html)


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Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2016, 07:42:09 PM
Yeah, forgot to comment on that. Hope you have a great holiday dude. Have a nice one. Also


*Drives up in black van

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Post by: MK on July 13, 2016, 08:49:27 PM
I noticed that you drew the ear a little too low on the face, generally ears in real life line up with the top of the eyebrows and the bottom of the nose.  Of course in the anime style the eyes are enlarged but to compensate for the raised up face, the top of the ears line up with the top or middle of the eyes but still line up with the bottom of the nose.
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Post by: KeanFox on July 13, 2016, 09:45:12 PM
Great work on the Sketchup and cute art style  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 14, 2016, 05:26:48 AM
very nice background with a char i just notice that girl is similar to other faces that u have been sketched is it your char to some of your stories ..,. im just curious haha   the perspective is alive hhaa u have improved in perspective  :tongue:
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Post by: Echo_River on July 14, 2016, 10:52:51 AM
*glomps purple hair
Cute! I like how you did the pants folds. I'm always struggling with those.
90 mins is pretty good O:
Hope you have a good holiday!

(On another note I may have picked up a one day old trail of a crime here... *looks at Lego*)

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Post by: DBNext on July 18, 2016, 03:32:06 PM
Spoiler
latest:just had to post this, which i am fairly proud of :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/Shrine01S_zpsqg3wm9wu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/Shrine01S_zpsqg3wm9wu.jpeg.html)
I know I'm a week late to comment, but I just couldn't help myself. And damn, that's amazing! And this is coming from a 4th year architect who can't do anything similar if his life depended on it XD

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/IMG_0001%20-%20Copy_zps0dvmadrc.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/IMG_0001%20-%20Copy_zps0dvmadrc.jpg.html)
I love this. Her head seems a little big, but I really like the pose.

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-07-14%2000.30.04_zpsefjltuzh.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-07-14%2000.30.04_zpsefjltuzh.png.html)
This one seems less successful than the rest. The coloring is nice and clean, but her anatomy is off. Her shoulders need to be further apart, and it doesn't feel comfortable having her arms placed like that. Still, it takes a great deal of effort to actually draw a full body. I find myself always cutting my bodies at their waists, too much trouble to continue :p

Really nice job overall. I know I don't comment much nowadays, but it always pays off when I visit and see great progress. Keep it up!
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Post by: suuper-san on August 01, 2016, 02:11:43 PM
@lego haha well i breathed a sigh of relief when i found my house in one piece :P

@matsui kenshin yeah, i so have a couple of anatomy problems, some caused by lack of experience and some by my distorted view of manga bodies :P i will try and get the ears better

@kenfox thanks!

@killerB haha yeah thats one of my problems with the copy/paste faces, i will try and make them more unique , they are not meant to be the same person :P

@echo thanks! and nothing has been stolen dont worry :P (at least my manga is safe :P)

@DB a comment is never late, thanks! well if you watch my timelapse video you might learn how i did it, but architecture has many aspects, presentation is just one :P im sure you will get better :P plus i think my house will fall apart in real life :P
-drawing big heads is one of my problems, sometimes i remember to draw them smaller, sometimes i forget :P
-yeah i sort of agree. i think i meant her shoulders to be raised, like she is shrugging, then messed the pose up and forgot halfway through. i have been practicing a lot of hand poses since as well to try and make my drawings more interesting, thanks for the comment!

well as you have all probably guessed, i am back from my holiday. Yaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!!
im not gonna post much today , but heres a snap of the 110 pages i drew while on holiday. bonus points if you guess the character that inspired the one on the front page, apart from the dead giveaway :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/20160801_185211_zpshk0xvntn.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/20160801_185211_zpshk0xvntn.jpg.html)

i will sort out my drawings and either do a sketch dump or just post the nice ones :P
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Post by: Echo_River on August 02, 2016, 03:19:31 PM
110 pages?! That's impressive!
Looks like you got quite the practice in XD Did you by any chance draw from your surroundings as well?
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Post by: suuper-san on August 02, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
thanks, haha no, ironically i mostly drew sitting on my bed :P when i post later you'll see that it was just the same as what i normally do :P
i took a lot of photos for reference for later though, mostly of architecture.
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Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2016, 06:13:23 PM
Yikes Suuper, 110 pages in that holiday? Talk about beast mode! You can tile your whole room with that sort of input. And pen and ink of course. Awesome stuff.

And I expect your YT channel will have even more cool stuff there hehe.
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Post by: Corycaly on August 02, 2016, 06:39:22 PM
I'm amazed by jour improving! Your japanese garden drawing is amazing!
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Post by: suuper-san on August 03, 2016, 08:29:20 AM
@lego haha well i have drawn nearly double that on previous holidays, but since i draw so much at home now, i scaled it back a bit and did more holiday-ey things :P
if i remember i will post a picture of all my drawings so far, i have kept every scrap since the beginning :P

@corycaly thanks! 3d programs help a lot for complex buildings, i hope to integrate it more into my art in the future!
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Post by: suuper-san on August 07, 2016, 04:55:24 PM
sorry i havnt posted much, been super busy. hoping to get back into my normal routine in a week or so, so hopefully i will be able to post on everyones art because its piling up in my unread topics :P

latest speedpaints for those interested:
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=pMBgb4XdrY4

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=WiEdmGkYJDs

and latest thing: trying out a higher resolution to get rid of some problems, and create different ones while i am at it :P
the image is still low res, its just i worked in high res first and shrunk it down.

plus my new hair rendering style, you can watch the speedpaints above to see how i did it, but i might do a tutorial at some point (haha i keep saying that dont i)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-08-07%20hr1%20-%20Copy_zpsnectuh7m.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-08-07%20hr1%20-%20Copy_zpsnectuh7m.jpeg.html)

^please dont comment on proportions, I wasnt even trying, i just wanted something to test out :P
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 07, 2016, 06:51:12 PM
^please dont comment on proportions, I wasnt even trying, i just wanted something to test out :P

Good thing you noted that lol. I was about to point out about three different things. The hair looks really nice. So shiny~ If I touch it, would it feel like metal?
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Post by: suuper-san on August 07, 2016, 07:01:48 PM
Thanks, Ive been working on making the hair look shiny, its hard to get a good balance without making it look over the top with lots of different shade lines though so i am still working on it :P
That one does look a bit metalic, perhaps i could use a similar colouring idea for metal objects.......
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 07, 2016, 07:46:26 PM
It might look good for some metallics, like a really nice car, but it could also work for water, considering the hues of blue going on there. Using different colors for the highlight for different lightings and moods might look really good too if adjusted properly.
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Post by: suuper-san on August 09, 2016, 03:56:06 PM
ahh yesi might try it for water.

anyways, heres my latest, took an hour, so im getting a bit of speed up again. all i need now is some accuracy and decent design ideas haha

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-09%20tomboy_zpsy0odzgpq.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-09%20tomboy_zpsy0odzgpq.jpeg.html)

please ignore the hands, i was trying out a method, which i now know doesnt work :P
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Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on August 10, 2016, 01:49:13 AM
Nce one its cute and the body is good too hhhaa keep up the good job
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Post by: Echo_River on August 10, 2016, 09:39:13 AM
Nice! XD Liking the wrinkles and shading.
Shiny hair O:
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Post by: suuper-san on August 11, 2016, 11:35:38 AM
@killerB thanks!

@echo thanks, im trying to get more realistic clothing but i chicken out each time and cant face it :P

Latest: i thought to myself to make a drawing with a background....and ended up with this, no idea why haha

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-11%20angel_zpsaz8m83ww.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-11%20angel_zpsaz8m83ww.jpeg.html)
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Post by: suuper-san on August 13, 2016, 05:57:38 PM
still a bit busy at the moment, had to work the last week so a bit tired as well :P
latest: trying to make some fashion :P
left side, the poses are from memory, right is from reference. no referenced clothes.
the body layer is faint so i can draw the clothes over easily.

i hope to be back to my normal posting by next week, but cant say for sure.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-08-13%20s1_zpstnktn4xt.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-08-13%20s1_zpstnktn4xt.jpeg.html)
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Post by: Echo_River on August 14, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
Love that pose on the coloured drawing. In spite of the casual clothing, she does have an angelic feeling about her even if you didn't have the halo and wings. That pic could have a story to it XD
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Post by: suuper-san on August 14, 2016, 04:48:34 PM
@echo thanks! haha i suppose there could be a story......

latest: a cel shading test (30mins) and a test of my maximum rendering skill (60mins) at the moment.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-14%20chibi%20-%20Copy_zpsht3gzgay.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-14%20chibi%20-%20Copy_zpsht3gzgay.jpeg.html)
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-14%20s1_zpsdepzmmzu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-14%20s1_zpsdepzmmzu.jpeg.html)

needless to say, the second one is not a finished piece :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (now includes digital!)
Post by: suuper-san on August 19, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
starting to work on my manga, well one of them. its basically a space-filler/waste manga that i can write while i practice my skills. although this is not a page from the manga, the character is.

i must have spent like 3 hours in that first panel, mostly playing oround with layers and figuring out what sort of workflow i will use. i also practiced putting a sketchup model into a panel, which i have never done despite recommending it to other people :P

i worked at A3 and scaled down, well something like that, it sorta didnt happen in the right order, at least this time. practice makes perfect :P

here is the sketchup full model by the way and speed video, it only took 20 mins and i sped it up a bit too much i think (x15)

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/3D/view01_zpsvzvrv2b2.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/3D/view01_zpsvzvrv2b2.jpeg.html)

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=1Lp3vknfDYU

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-19%20m1_zpsi121khtz.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-19%20m1_zpsi121khtz.jpeg.html)

Any recommendations for a good manga font that isnt comic sans??????

oh and a chibi i drew, yaaaaaaay :P
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-16%20chibiS_zps88mutylo.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-16%20chibiS_zps88mutylo.jpg.html)

plus the speed paint

https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=qu5Xy5HavLg
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on August 20, 2016, 02:49:22 AM
yo meeeen its been a long time hahah cool drawings there dude the background too hhah
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 20, 2016, 03:28:23 AM
yeah ive been super busy, but i have still been drawing :P
it looks like 3d backgrounds are the only way i will get backgrounds into my manga, so i am just going ahead with that. i think it looked fairly believable :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Secret of the Stars on August 24, 2016, 01:11:22 AM
@ A different font other than Comic Sans...

Have you tried Papyrus?

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/a9b54bf818ba3ec67135da1cf91ef776/tumblr_inline_nxdh4gKQBN1r87u80_540.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 24, 2016, 03:42:16 AM
@secret of the starts thanks for the recommendation, but thats a bit too old feel for me, i still wanted a comic-y font (for normal usage). i found some font sites and searched "manga" and "comic", and i found a few that i might try out. thanks for the help, papyrus might come in handy for when i need a different feel font :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 24, 2016, 07:21:40 AM
latest: a test page to figure stuff out :P
all 3 characters from my new manga, Overdrive. i will start drawing it up soon :P
man its hard to keep normal proportions when drawing a lot :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Manga%20Pages/2016-08-20%20manga1a_zpsrhnke8tj.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Manga%20Pages/2016-08-20%20manga1a_zpsrhnke8tj.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on August 24, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Keep doing the 3D backgrounds. I've read that people can buy already made manga backgrounds, so I think you are basically doing what they are doing. I think you should add some texture to the desks though so they don't look to smooth.  I wished I learned more stuff with the 3D software for me to use it.

What font did you choose? I think I use "tekkon" something.

Your speech bubbles look great.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 24, 2016, 11:04:31 AM
@forlornserpent thanks i definitely plan on keeping up the 3D. the background i made in 20 minutes or so as a test, but with a bit extra time i think it would look nicer still.
ahh yes texture will give that a shot
fonts-"888manga" for normal and "fighting spirit" for the angry one. its a pain to find a decent font though, and then to be able to find it in the font list
thanks, the speech bubbles were drawn by hand, i might make the lines thicker next time though :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 27, 2016, 03:54:58 PM
latest: been a bit busy but managed a lot today despite not having much time haha

Spoiler
playing around with brushes and stuff, sort of
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-27%20chibi_zpsfoiv24qm.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-27%20chibi_zpsfoiv24qm.jpeg.html)

i have no idea:
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-27%20s2_zpsqyr2f8dm.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-27%20s2_zpsqyr2f8dm.jpeg.html)

i was going for impact with the shading:
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-08-27%20s1_zpsabve8gba.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-08-27%20s1_zpsabve8gba.jpeg.html)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on August 27, 2016, 06:49:35 PM
You have the kawaii part down  :thumbsup: I think your brush work is great.

I want to really comment on the bottom pic. she looks like she is looking at my soul. Nice everything but what do you mean by impact? I don't know much illustrator jargon. I notice on a lot of anime paintings on YouTube that they make the bangs hair kind of transparent. Is that a popular thing to do?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 28, 2016, 04:16:44 AM
thanks, working with brushes is really hard for me, i really dont get them at all, so its been something ive been trying to practice more, but without a definite idea on how to use them, its a bit slow going :P

what do i mean by impact? i have no idea myself actually.  i suppose depth or something. looking into souls sounds impactful i think :P

yeah i see a lot of artists doing the transparent bangs, i tried it out just to see how difficult it was and how well it worked. its handy if someone likes the style.
i think people do it because it implies the hair thins out near the ends, rather than being a thick clump to the very end. not sure though, but it makes the drawing look a little softer
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on August 28, 2016, 08:22:36 AM
The manga tests look pretty great suuper. The toning is spot on! 3d really working the scenes for sure.

Like the Chibi and the girl in particular. It's cool how you can work in colour and grayscale
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 28, 2016, 10:24:29 AM
Your shading looks pretty good! The hair sheen especially. I know it's not maybe as defined in today's art styles, but I always liked when artists make it really bold. (My apologies for the tangent)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 28, 2016, 03:41:12 PM
@lego thanks, i spent like 4 hours on it in the end working out what goes where in terms of layers and stuff. im thinking for the manga i will drop the quality down (like not fixing tiny problems in the colouring etc) to boost the speed, since i need to practice panelling and flow more than i need to practice cleaning up artworks :P
It's cool how you can work in colour and grayscale
thanks,  i almost prefer greyscale because of being colorblind haha. thank goodness for digital i can pick the colours from RGB/HSV otherwise i would be dead :P

@coryn thanks! im still trying to find my style, as well as a style thats quick and easy to do (for bulk work like manga)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 29, 2016, 05:01:42 PM
latest: trying to get the hang of folds, and male figure too. i drew from the body out, rather than the head first, as practice as well :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-08-29%20s1_zps41wr3nsh.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-08-29%20s1_zps41wr3nsh.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 03, 2016, 09:32:04 AM
I will be taking a break from MR to completely focus on my art, being around here is sort of distracting time-wise, as i'm sure a lot of you notice yourselves :P

i dont plan to be gone long, like until the new year, but i'm getting a bit fed up of not improving as fast as i would like so i'm going to increase the pace again. i may post occasionally but only on my own topics really. PM me if you really want to talk to me haha

as a goodbye gift and apology for leaving once again, here is the good-only sketch dump from my holiday

Spoiler

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140727_zpseaarfv8h.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140727_zpseaarfv8h.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140553_zpsz6ppqwwy.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140553_zpsz6ppqwwy.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_141016_zpsbyoidn7b.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_141016_zpsbyoidn7b.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_141044_zpsctmnly1o.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_141044_zpsctmnly1o.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140946_zpsqrtyobug.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140946_zpsqrtyobug.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140914_zpslgws6oht.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140914_zpslgws6oht.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140924_zpslmzv5trm.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140924_zpslmzv5trm.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_141005_zpsmyvc9ow5.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_141005_zpsmyvc9ow5.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140854_zpseovjvl5o.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140854_zpseovjvl5o.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140843_zpsywasgosf.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140843_zpsywasgosf.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140820_zpsctiv6ljt.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140820_zpsctiv6ljt.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140833_zpsbjo5d5og.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140833_zpsbjo5d5og.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140811_zpsbc8pe4kq.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140811_zpsbc8pe4kq.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140751_zpsdffj9tth.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140751_zpsdffj9tth.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140802_zps2dw4dddk.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140802_zps2dw4dddk.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140739_zps8dis8lqe.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140739_zps8dis8lqe.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140715_zpsjstamw04.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140715_zpsjstamw04.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140608_zpsrg8oaqmv.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140608_zpsrg8oaqmv.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140647_zpst6as9cwj.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140647_zpst6as9cwj.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140625_zpskpebp5ji.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140625_zpskpebp5ji.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140704_zpsfmmpijy4.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140704_zpsfmmpijy4.jpg.html)

this one was a redraw of the top one
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/20160903_140542_zpsugkpbhof.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/20160903_140542_zpsugkpbhof.jpg.html)

thanks and see you guys later :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2016, 09:54:23 AM
Love your work man. Like how filled out the characters look and how expressive they all are. Pretty good solid line work, great outfits and it's always impressive when you can make someone look cute.
 
I know that feel man. I've been having that for facebook more than anything, and I'm a bit tired of spinning my wheels when it comes to drawing. I feel that need to improve, but I don't trust myself to make huge goals that I won't be able to get in the end. The guilt would be destructive.

Between your 3d work and your art though I'm pretty sure you'll get a huge boost. Even back from the holidays you had an impressive output.

See you around later then suuper, hope it all goes well
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 03, 2016, 12:31:45 PM
thanks lego :P
for improving, just spending time doing anything related will do something, which is better than nothing :P
even reading manga helps i think :P
yah see you soon :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 05, 2016, 05:05:58 AM
thats a lot meen and impressive haah  :D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 27, 2016, 04:49:18 PM
@killerB thanks!

my finger appears to be healing, i drew this to practice shading, but also to check if i can draw without it hurting. and it seems i am fine. i hope to start blitzing out some pages soon :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-09-27%20sh1_zpsx18vg2o3.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-09-27%20sh1_zpsx18vg2o3.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on September 28, 2016, 05:20:34 AM
Looking great Suuper! :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2016, 05:51:43 AM
Love the shading on that one man! How do you do the linework?

I didn't know you injured your hand. Hope it gets better...
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 28, 2016, 08:08:13 AM
@jamie thanks!

@lego yeah i cut it on a cheap pasta machine haha it had a sharp edge. then i got a paper cut as well so my fingers were all wrapped up :P.
linework is sketched on gimp, then inked on a new layer, using a small size brush, pressure size dynamics on 100% opacity. i dont think i have enough variation in the line thickness, my lineart always feels flat :(
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2016, 10:43:44 AM
Yeaowch. Sorry man. Maybe if the pasta machine was radioactive you'd become Pasta Man.

Ah I see. Do you use a tablet or mouse? I'd like to see if I can ink that well too.

Love how four tones adds so much to the image
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 28, 2016, 01:19:30 PM
unfortunately no radiation :P

i use a tablet, although you can use a mouse if you are careful and with smooth stroke on, or use other techniques like paths in GIMP which dont require the same sort of control.

yeah i was quite surprised myself actually at the depth i got, understanding the types of shadows/lighting in an artwork helps in painting it :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2016, 04:08:38 PM
I heard of that mouse method. People can really go beast mode with that haha.

I guess I'll stick with GIMP. Better the devil I know, you know? I have this idea to go after some perfect software but it just gets in the way of my main aim of making comics. And if you learn it, it works well enough haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 28, 2016, 04:58:04 PM
i think gimp is fine. from what i have seen, PS is starting to look like a slightly more attractive alternative with some filters etc that i would want to use, but seriously, GIMP is free and PS is NOT.

to be honest, be the perfect artist, not have the perfect software :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Gabryel on September 29, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Looks good! Didn't know GIMP supports pen pressure now, last time I checked (long time ago) it didn't and I uninstalled it promptly lol

Hair looks smooth, nice facial and body expression. Also like the 3 steps shading. I admit I didn't click through all pages but from what saw of your first drawings to your last, you improved quite alot. I especially like the lines of her right arm and leg (so on the left side on the picture). Looking at all those art galleries makes me wanna show my pics too. Maybe I got time to browse through my stuff next week. Anyway, good work!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 02, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
@gabryel yes GIMP has had pen pressure for at least 2 or 3 years since i have been using it. you can also use dynamics to create custom pressure curves and stuff.

thanks haha yeah i have improved quite a bit, but i feel like i am not even 10% as good as i want haha its an artists life :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Gabryel on October 02, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
I think it's pretty normal to think "I'm not good as I want to be". At least that'S how I feel like every time I see some great artist on deviant art or where ever x_x depressing on one side, on the other side, you would never try to get better if you felt differently :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 02, 2016, 03:43:00 PM
haha good old "deviantartdepression" :P
true stuff, having someone above you gives you something to aim at :P
although theres a fine line between getting inspired and plain depressed :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 09, 2016, 10:37:05 AM
latest: playing with brushes - i really dont get line control - what even is it?

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-10-09%20s1_zpsdkaygybp.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-10-09%20s1_zpsdkaygybp.jpeg.html)

and something from last month that i forgot to post, maybe?

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-09-05%20ff2_zpsfdsnalcx.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-09-05%20ff2_zpsfdsnalcx.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-09-05%20ff3_zpsaim5aa6l.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-09-05%20ff3_zpsaim5aa6l.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on October 09, 2016, 10:47:28 AM
Line control, weighted lines... it still doesn't make sense to me. I just scan a drawing i did in pencil and just use the continuous line to outline it. The only thing i realized doing this method is the thinner the lines the better.

With those illustrations... were you in a bad emotional storm last month? The contrast between the top and bottom illustrations makes kind of funny.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: BobbyJoeXForgotenSB on October 09, 2016, 01:14:14 PM
i dont see any negative ... things on the drawings from last month, looks like stuff my sister would draw
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 09, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
@forlorn haha well we will figure the lines out sometime :P
haha i dont really have much emotion when drawing, i pretty much only draw in a good mood :P
i just keep trying out different styles :P

@bobbyjoeX thanks! your sister draws, too? does it run in the family? both my parents have done bits and bobs of art over the years so i was partially inspired by them :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: BobbyJoeXForgotenSB on October 09, 2016, 04:50:43 PM
shes more so a painter, not too into drawing comics plus we get it from mom
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 19, 2016, 10:20:09 AM
ahhh i see. yeah neither of my parents draw comics haha, dad is a landcape kinda guy, mum used to do portaits :P

latest doodles, bit of trigun in there, plus lots of reaction faces from my comedy mangas that i had on my shelf :P
trying to up the level for my manga :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%201_zpsd472kyd1.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%201_zpsd472kyd1.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%202_zpsaoc8sg4l.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%202_zpsaoc8sg4l.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%203_zpsjzxeobqr.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%203_zpsjzxeobqr.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%204_zpsrwnjyzkt.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%204_zpsrwnjyzkt.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%205_zpsjz2oz0yt.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%205_zpsjz2oz0yt.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%206_zpspfedrk55.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%206_zpspfedrk55.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%207_zpsmvbutdpq.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%207_zpsmvbutdpq.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%208_zpsig1ydh7y.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%208_zpsig1ydh7y.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%209_zpsdaw2dqte.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%209_zpsdaw2dqte.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%2010_zpse4w75gzk.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%2010_zpse4w75gzk.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%2011_zpsoztkyxjc.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%2011_zpsoztkyxjc.jpg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-19-10%2012_zpsm5xrz28b.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2016-19-10%2012_zpsm5xrz28b.jpg.html)

and the draft for chapter 2 of Overdrive
Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Overdrive/fdgb_zpsniiycgqg.jpg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Overdrive/fdgb_zpsniiycgqg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 21, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
latest again: a bit of face/clothes studies. stuff i want better for my next chapter. i dont plan on doing too many studies though . took 50 minutes to do the both pages

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-10-21%20f1_zpsk0hnj8f1.jpeg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-10-21%20c1_zps22vrikqj.jpeg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 23, 2016, 04:29:22 PM
tried copying a page from baka to test to shoukanjuu (trying to find out why my manga has no impact), realized that drawing digitally while holding a physical book is REALLY hard.
drawing quality ended up fairly low, couple of missed bits here and there, took 50minutes.

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/bakatotest01_zpsecsqdwyi.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/bakatotest01_zpsecsqdwyi.png.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Ataraxia Studios on October 24, 2016, 12:45:40 PM
This is really good for 50 minutes of work :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Ryan on October 25, 2016, 01:37:36 PM
tried copying a page from baka to test to shoukanjuu (trying to find out why my manga has no impact), realized that drawing digitally while holding a physical book is REALLY hard.
drawing quality ended up fairly low, couple of missed bits here and there, took 50minutes.

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/bakatotest01_zpsecsqdwyi.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/bakatotest01_zpsecsqdwyi.png.html)

Well, I'll tell you why I think your manga has no impact, perhaps there are some things you aren't seeing.
I can see that you are trying to use different techniques for different situations, but there are some underlying flaws.
The pages you've in your manga drawn need much more pure black, at least a little bit in each panel. I read some of the manga you studied. Nearly every panel has noticeable usage of pure black. The panel fx in that manga also more often than not involve usage of pure black or a gradation to pure black.

Pure black is really an important element in manga. You don't have to use it; One Piece doesn't use that much of it, but he still has good control of tonal composition. I'm almost positive what you're going for needs more pure black, though. You also shouldn't copy printed 'values' exactly as they are. People have different expectations of what printed manga looks like compared to digital manga.

When you study from now on, make sure to focus especially on how the tones are handled. Get everything fairly-to-very accurate in brightness/darkness. Don't leave any clear change out. You don't need to copy the tonal shapes 1-to-1, but get the value composition down, and think about how the certain value composition affects you.

There's some other things, but they rely more on general improvement to drawing ability. Your ability to control detail, or shift handling/style of drawing characters up close, contrasting the handling of those further away.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on October 25, 2016, 05:57:55 PM

Well, I'll tell you why I think your manga has no impact, perhaps there are some things you aren't seeing.
I can see that you are trying to use different techniques for different situations, but there are some underlying flaws.
The pages you've in your manga drawn need much more pure black, at least a little bit in each panel. I read some of the manga you studied. Nearly every panel has noticeable usage of pure black. The panel fx in that manga also more often than not involve usage of pure black or a gradation to pure black.

I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but what do you mean by using "pure black"? I'm trying to learn too.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: BobbyJoeXForgotenSB on October 25, 2016, 06:33:21 PM
its when something is flat out black, weather it be the type of shading where it is just black and not a shade of grey or if someones hair is completely black, i personally dont like to do that, the shading style is something i wouldnt mind trying tho
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Ryan on October 25, 2016, 07:25:46 PM

Well, I'll tell you why I think your manga has no impact, perhaps there are some things you aren't seeing.
I can see that you are trying to use different techniques for different situations, but there are some underlying flaws.
The pages you've in your manga drawn need much more pure black, at least a little bit in each panel. I read some of the manga you studied. Nearly every panel has noticeable usage of pure black. The panel fx in that manga also more often than not involve usage of pure black or a gradation to pure black.

I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but what do you mean by using "pure black"? I'm trying to learn too.

It's no problem. I only said 'pure black' when I could have interchanged that with 100% black, full black, completely black. Pure black is as black as you can go(http://hitcolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Black-11.jpg) In the case of digital images, pure black is when you can't go any blacker(i.e. black; NOT dark-dark gray). With traditional, pure black is when you draw with a black marker, black brush-pen black paint, black fineliners/fast-flowing black ballpoint pens. It's difficult to get pure black with a pencil or a a slow-pressure ball-point pen (the generic ball-point pen most people think of when you say ballpoint pen).

I will clarify the terms I used. Tone is what shades manga; it's what fills it in. A page without tone is just a pen drawing with no shading.

Value composition and tonal composition, for manga, are essentially the same thing. Tonal/value shapes are clear shapes with a certain tone. I tried to outline all the tonal shapes here. I used a mouse so it's a bit rough, but you should get an idea of it. A tonal shape can be white, any gray between white-black, or pure black.
(http://i.imgur.com/u3qCSc5.png)

Gradations from pure black to a gray of some sort are also an element of value/tonal composition, but the tonal shape is not as obvious.

Okay, so what tonal and value composition is. It's the arrangement of tone/value shapes. It's how much, or how little, of a panel is built of black tonal shapes, or of any tone. It plays a big part in making comics visually appealing. It's what makes characters/objects stand apart from each other.  You don't want your manga to be difficult to read; you want people to be able to understand what's happening with little to no effort. Sometimes to make things easier to understand, you need to separate objects with a white line. This is situational (http://i8.mangareader.net/baka-to-test-to-shoukanjyuu/2/baka-to-test-to-shoukanjyuu-783850.jpg)

Consider the third panel of this image(the panel with the speech bubble:Eh? Why do you get to. . .)(http://i3.mangareader.net/baka-to-test-to-shoukanjyuu/1/baka-to-test-to-shoukanjyuu-783818.jpg)
Right now it is readable because the tone of the shirts are different. But imagine if they were the same tone of gray; it would then be a confusing image. Also notice that the tones of the shirts are different from those in the above panel! As a mangaka you have 100% control over the tones in your image, so make them work for you. Some tones don't need to be consistent from panel to panel; they should still make sense however within one panel.

So, to end this off, when you read manga you should make an effort to appreciate the tonal composition or arrangement. Notice how small, black shapes(accents), such as folds to clothing, make the panel more appealing. Notice how 'rich' the tones tend to be. That is because of the 'contrast' between the tones in a panel. There should be some amount of contrast to most panels. Some panels have less contrast, some have more. This gives the reading variety, and prevents the eyes from tiring from too much contrast. Become fully aware of the tones in the images, and cultivate an appreciation for them.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 26, 2016, 05:47:45 PM
@Ataraxia Studios thanks!

@Ryan thanks for your in depth explanantion, Ryan, i think ive got something to go on.
i sort of understood about value composition, i did a bit of googling on it just now as well, its sort of to do with contrast to make something stand out more or less, i think.
stuff like cutting the background out when it would merge with the characters and stuff. i have probably been making it too "real" in terms of when i have a background, it is everywhere and gets in the way (pseudo photographic style)

i must admit, i have been trying to add more black, but i dont think i realized the importance of it until just now, i was just adding it as another colour :P
i will see what i can do, with my own art and my studies, perhaps i will drop to black and white stuff for a bit and skip colour (although my manga is greyscale already, i mean my other stuff)
i will try that out and look out for it in the manga i read as well, hopefully i glean some things from it :)
......my eyes have seriously been opened :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 28, 2016, 05:34:18 AM
perhaps i will drop to black and white stuff for a bit and skip colour
.....i lied :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2016-10-28%20girl_zpsmfcqqyhu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2016-10-28%20girl_zpsmfcqqyhu.jpeg.html)

Speedpaint
https://www.youtube.com/v/iK0CL4cU5N4

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 30, 2016, 03:36:15 AM
latest: a bedroom that i am quite proud of
although its quite generic, i think it feels quite real. its meant to be small :P
it took an hour and a half

https://www.youtube.com/v/2NWb-2QHFEw
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on October 30, 2016, 04:56:16 AM
Putting a button on a lamp. A minuscule detail. How anal can you be? :tongue:

I enjoy watching these vids. I kinda regret not sticking to it. Great job  :thumbsup:.

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 30, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
thanks, haha i kind of get carried away for stuff like this, its hard to stay zoomed out, and i end up adding lots of extra detail that probably wasnt needed :P
if you mean sketchup, its very easy to learn, so if you are thinking you missed out theres still time to learn it :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 07, 2016, 09:49:06 AM
latest: drew this in 3 minutes. i am stuck in manga-high-speed-and-low-quality mode it would seem :P
if i can get the quality high at the same time as high speed then i will be in business, so to speak :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2016-11-06%20f1_zpssfmfxutd.jpeg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 07, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
It's always a constant struggle. I hope you figure it out! She looks kawaii!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 08, 2016, 03:33:38 AM
i was going for a stern sort of look, but yeah i suppose so :P

...looks like coursework has caught up with me, with deadlines and workload and stuff, so i probably wont post again until January :(
i probably wont get much time to draw at all :(
oh well, see you round MR :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on November 11, 2016, 06:22:40 PM
She's got pretty clothes...

I thought it was more of a surprised look. Without the eyebrows, it's a little hard to tell. ^^

Hang in there with the homework! Will be waiting for more art until then!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 15, 2017, 02:44:27 PM
Without the eyebrows
whoops :P

just so you guys know im not dead, here i am :P
ive actually been ill for the last month with laryngitis so i couldn't do much coursework, but as i am recovering i did a bit of drawing to break the monotony. i will see you all in about 3 months when everything is finished :P

maaaaaannnn i havnt drawn for ages......

Spoiler

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-06%20c2_zpst9yp0vky.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-06%20c2_zpst9yp0vky.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-06%20c3_zps47nyceu3.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-06%20c3_zps47nyceu3.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-13%20c1_zpsc7h5uahw.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-13%20c1_zpsc7h5uahw.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-14%20f1_zpsjqsrbzch.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-14%20f1_zpsjqsrbzch.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-15%20c1_zpsxsavjcug.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-15%20c1_zpsxsavjcug.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/20127-03-15%20c1_zpspps1clil.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/20127-03-15%20c1_zpspps1clil.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-15%20f1_zps9kpd2s9u.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-15%20f1_zps9kpd2s9u.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-15%20c2_zpsm0mw6dbl.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-15%20c2_zpsm0mw6dbl.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on March 15, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Heyyyy buddy good to see you!!!!  ;D

These are awesome! Damn you are getting good! I have to catch up!!!! The clothes are fantastic and you got the anime face style mastered. The more realistic faces could use more work regarding the shape of the face.

I wish you a good recovery  ;) You got deviantart?

Dont dissapear completely! Keep up posting your stuff here and checking my gallery  Im gonna be posting some awesome stuff over the next weeks!  :D :D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 15, 2017, 04:31:50 PM
thanks for the tips walter B!
i do have deviant art,my username is flawlessparadox. i only upload my really good stuff so its a bit quiet :P
looking forward to seeing your work when i come back :P

EDIT:
my last page until i come back, took about 25 mins for the whole thing

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-03-15%20s1_zpsa3ohxtcu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-03-15%20s1_zpsa3ohxtcu.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on April 23, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
Lots of expressions there, lots of postures, lots of clothing. Very useful stuff.

I hope the arting and lifing is going well suuper. Still looking forward to the continuation of Endlessness, and some more gems of knowledge when necessary.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on April 24, 2017, 02:01:47 AM
All eight of those in twenty-five minutes? No way...You put me to shame. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. When I come back and see thousands of threads updated I tend to start fresh. Damn shame I missed that. Hope to see you around again soon!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on May 14, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
@lego thanks. i plan to get back to Endlessness when i have shaken off my dust

@mahlua haha i work quickly :P i find it quite difficult to add detail to get accuracy though so thats my downside

well MR, I have returned triumphiantly!
today marks the first day free from lack of sleep and free from coursework!!!!!!!!!!
i watched a bunch of anime and did a bunch of drawing, still getting up to speed.

heres some drawings, most are referenced
Spoiler

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20c1_zpsc0akvsjm.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20c1_zpsc0akvsjm.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20c2_zpsuesxtckd.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20c2_zpsuesxtckd.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20f1_zpsxrdo0sbu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20f1_zpsxrdo0sbu.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20f2_zps08awitsy.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20f2_zps08awitsy.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20g1_zpswks4yviy.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20g1_zpswks4yviy.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20g2_zpsykkqs3uh.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20g2_zpsykkqs3uh.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20g3_zpscf8igodl.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20g3_zpscf8igodl.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20s1_zpsy2cbes9q.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20s1_zpsy2cbes9q.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-14%20s1a_zpspqncbayo.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-14%20s1a_zpspqncbayo.jpeg.html)

ill be back to drawing most days now, and i will be catching up on everyones work as soon as possible!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on May 14, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
Damn, and you were talking about my sketch dump. That's an amazing study line there. Awesome stuff suuper.

Also this girl is kawaii as hell. I like the colours a lot.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Manimal on May 16, 2017, 08:53:44 AM
Hey look, suups is back in action. Cool studies, I think you have the right idea here with all you do. The sketches from the posts above also just look really good. I'd like to see some more comics from you, if you put all this to action like that I feel you'd make some good looking stuff. The colours on the last picture look good and it's a nice simple artstyle. I would just recommend colouring her eyes in, that's the only thing!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on May 16, 2017, 04:46:33 PM
@lego thanks!

@manimal great to be back! i will totally be working on comics more, and yes a simple art style is more achievable and works well if you can keep the quality at the same level. whoops, forgot to colour in the eyes :P

latest: one page face studies and one page from my head

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-16%20f1_zpstfuql9bi.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-16%20f1_zpstfuql9bi.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-16%20f2_zps5z85zkuz.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-16%20f2_zps5z85zkuz.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on May 17, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Real glad to see you back buddy!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on May 20, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
@walterB thanks! i dont have any plans to leave any time soon!

latest: i decided full digital probably wasnt my thing, so did a pencil-style digital instead. i love the style.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/2017-05-20%20s1_zpsezhtxhwj.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/2017-05-20%20s1_zpsezhtxhwj.jpeg.html)

i also designed a computer desk, which i plan to make at some point soon.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Computer%20Desk%20V1d_zps73pwjoiv.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Computer%20Desk%20V1d_zps73pwjoiv.jpeg.html)

Timelapse
https://www.youtube.com/v/sraqlO7TtoM
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on May 20, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote
latest: i decided full digital probably wasnt my thing

Whats a pencil digital? Isnt full digital faster?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on May 21, 2017, 04:15:37 AM
i mean rather than making it look digital, i used digital to make it look pencil. i explained it really bad sorry :P
i mean the full digital style like it looks digital, rather than it looking like its been drawn traditionally and scanned in. its sort of more sharper and cleaner kinda thing, compared to slightly messy :P
and i drew it with just the same brush setting for the whole lot, so its like less using the digital changing settings and the like
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: TK-Seki on May 21, 2017, 05:20:13 AM
I'm starting to use digital to help with backgrounds like buildings and interiors, too. Saves time. And don't you just looooove facial expression studies? <3 Nice work, suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on May 21, 2017, 06:23:04 PM
thanks!
digital is sooooo useful for backgrounds i dont know where i would be without it. although i would still like to learn how to draw them normally at some point :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on May 30, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
latest: still getting up to speed, im reorganizing my room so theres stuff everywhere :P

went back to super basics, trying to fix some misalignment in my head

and also got too affected by lego's afros and ended up drawing some myself lol

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20c1_zpssprfhxal.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20c1_zpssprfhxal.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20f1_zpsjuusrlgk.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20f1_zpsjuusrlgk.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20k1_zpspfra0c7i.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20k1_zpspfra0c7i.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20k2_zpshsathdpi.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20k2_zpshsathdpi.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20s1_zpsrmnvf4jp.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-05-30%20s1_zpsrmnvf4jp.jpeg.html)
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on May 31, 2017, 09:21:35 AM
Dem angry eyes behind sunglasses, haha.

Yeah, doing these kinds of sketches is pretty fun, isn't it? I think that makes like four or five of us doing this kind of thing now. It's so underrated. Also, amazing work with circles. It doesn't look like you need too much practice on them after this. They're fairly nice and even.
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Post by: suuper-san on May 31, 2017, 04:57:20 PM
thanks, yeah it is really fun, in fact thats also what i am trying to regain, the fun behind the drawing rather than the stress of aiming for perfection.

the trouble with the circles is, i cant always guarantee that it will be smooth, like 1/10 will be an egg or bean or a spiral, and im trying to reduce that chance, as well as getting the slant out of my drawings because a lot of my faces get bent because the circle guideline behind them wasnt quite right. so im close, but i will probably keep it up a bit more :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 12, 2017, 05:03:53 PM
latest sketch: a random character.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-12%20cs1_zpsco4p47de.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-12%20cs1_zpsco4p47de.jpeg.html)
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Post by: eukocar on June 12, 2017, 05:09:55 PM
  :thumbsup:
Nice sketches.
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: Gabryel on June 13, 2017, 05:14:07 AM
Serious sketches, suuper! The clothing details are extraordinary, and I just love the lively looks of your character studies.
Maybe I should start making 3D backgrounds too. What tool do you use?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 13, 2017, 05:06:21 PM
@eucar thanks :P

@gabryel thanks! i use "google sketchup" (dont think its owned by google anymore though lol). its simple(ish) for beginners and has a lot of useful tools. its great for architecture and props, but not organic stuff like animals and faces. there are quite a few 3d programs out there, dont pick one until you try a few out and see what suits your individual needs. i still need to try a couple more :P

latest: another character page. didnt notice i was zoomed in one click more than normal until i was halfway through the page :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-13%20s1_zpsz7xtvijw.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-13%20s1_zpsz7xtvijw.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on June 13, 2017, 06:39:39 PM
Good work. Keep an eye on the distance between each eye, you're slipping up with it every so often.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Shane on June 13, 2017, 06:52:31 PM
SO PRO...1 paper can draw like 20 good sketch in there!! with all this skill you can actually make solid manga on you own.

The name super suit you really.

Average artist


Spoiler
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f19/searkhunter/Joke/z15736447VMozg_zps28kozfs6.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/searkhunter/media/Joke/z15736447VMozg_zps28kozfs6.jpg.html)
YOU
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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f19/searkhunter/Joke/maxresdefault_zpsvnqj3nei.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/searkhunter/media/Joke/maxresdefault_zpsvnqj3nei.jpg.html)
keep it up man!

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 14, 2017, 01:27:22 PM
@jamie thanks. im trying to figure out my spacing and balance at the moment actually. i cant seem to figure out what proportions i like for my own style, which is why the eyes vary so heavily, and wrongly :P im pretty sure my perception of horizontal and vertical is skewed a few degrees as well. ill try and keep a watch out for the distances.

@shane haha thanks :P im working toward my own manga which is why i make so many sketches :P

edit:latest, yeah i know its skewed, but hey :P not sure if i was trying to draw it properly or not to be honest, but it turned out fairly well. if my whole manga was this quality i wouldn't complain, put it that way :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-06-14%20s1_zpsh97t565v.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-06-14%20s1_zpsh97t565v.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 24, 2017, 12:35:23 PM
latest: some sketches and a kinda nice one. backlighting makes all the difference :P

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-18%20s1_zpsivb3vyzz.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-18%20s1_zpsivb3vyzz.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-24%20s1_zpsqzbqivtt.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-24%20s1_zpsqzbqivtt.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-24%20b1_zpshmadgubu.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Sketch%20Manga/2017-06-24%20b1_zpshmadgubu.jpeg.html)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-06-24%20b1%20-%20Copy_zpslknxodct.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-06-24%20b1%20-%20Copy_zpslknxodct.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Shane on June 24, 2017, 02:14:29 PM
Interesting to make those character become "psycho" and kill people around?

it's popular since elfen lied era
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 28, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
@chane uuuuuhhhhhh not really my thing to be honest, but someday i will probably draw one like that :P
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Post by: legomaestro on June 28, 2017, 06:50:06 PM
You`re getting into colourwork too Suuper? Your work is getting more expressive but still keeping that tight quality. Respect man. Love the studies especially with all the different poses and stuff. It`s just nice to look at.
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Post by: Nairbons on June 30, 2017, 01:33:56 AM
Aaaah, jeeze! I've had this topic bookmarked for later since May, and the improvements that have just been made since then are astounding. You've had some tremendous progress. Clothing, perspective, expression, and all that are coming right along. I don't know what else to say that you haven't already been addressing, so I guess just keep up with whatever it is you've been doing? It's clearly working!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on June 30, 2017, 09:07:36 AM
Love this one:

Spoiler


(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-06-14%20s1_zpsh97t565v.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-06-14%20s1_zpsh97t565v.jpeg.html)

Does she has a name?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Grimmjagger on June 30, 2017, 12:38:12 PM
Wow that's well done Suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 30, 2017, 04:39:47 PM
@walter i didnt have one, so lets call her Megu

@grim thanks!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 02, 2017, 05:25:58 PM
long time no see!
turned out i was busier than i expected clearing up my life.
hopefully this time ive got a bit more time for drawing :P

latest:
a request by a friend
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-08-02%20q1%20-%20Copy_zpsypedcrjh.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-08-02%20q1%20-%20Copy_zpsypedcrjh.jpeg.html)
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Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 02, 2017, 05:28:17 PM
Ah, there we go.

For some reason I like the use of color in this one. I think it's because the pants are a cool brown color and it matches well with the bubble. I also love the facial expression that says, "Uh...why am I here?"
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 03, 2017, 04:28:11 AM
fixed :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on August 03, 2017, 07:23:09 AM
Nice! How long did it take to make that one? Also are you doing requests? *Rubs hands in anticipation*
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on August 03, 2017, 08:45:01 AM
Hha welcome back too men hope u have more time to draw too dude  :D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 03, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
@killerB thanks im hoping for a long run of awesomeness from now

@lego it took 30mins. the quality is fairly low and sketchy though but im working more on composition and completeness now.
yes i am sort of doing requests. technically i am not properly free until half way through September, but my free time and energy has been bolstered so i'm moving from stalled into idling. i need to recover my health absolutely fully before i start anything, so make sure im 100% recovered.
i also quit my work to focus on my art (amongst other things), so this will either make or break me.
by all means, make a request :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 03, 2017, 07:04:32 PM
That guy in a bubble looks cool. I would have added more colors to the bubble.

If you are taking request, wanna make a collab? I don't have a tablet yet so I would make something traditional and send it to you to add something digital.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 04, 2017, 11:48:05 AM
@walter that sounds fun, post whatever and ill make it digital for practice :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 04, 2017, 12:28:10 PM
How about this guy:

(https://pre07.deviantart.net/a587/th/pre/i/2017/216/e/d/indian1_by_walterbl-dbiu224.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 08, 2017, 03:58:07 PM
@mahlua just read your edit. thanks. since i am colourblind i never know if im using nice colours, but digital helps to pick to im getting used to it :P

@walter awesome! here you go :P i kept the same image size and tried to keep your details as you designed them  :thumbsup: i fixed the hands though (only 4 fingers on each hand, was that your style? hmmm)  :o
i had no idea for colouring so left it as a lineart

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Requests/indian1_by_walterbl-dbiu224f_zpsv8ikgmxm.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Requests/indian1_by_walterbl-dbiu224f_zpsv8ikgmxm.png.html)

EDIT: felt like drawing so made this. yes the eyes are low thats what i was trying out :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-08-08%20chibi1_zpsizvsmrdv.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-08-08%20chibi1_zpsizvsmrdv.png.html)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 08, 2017, 07:37:08 PM
Thank you man!

lol didn't realize the four fingers... I guess that makes him simpsons style  ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 08, 2017, 11:12:28 PM
Other than the face proportions you already noted, the chibi anatomy looks great! Legs may be a little far apart, but with chibis, that kind of thing doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on August 09, 2017, 12:52:16 AM
cute!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 09, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
@walter glad you like it!

@mahlua yeah i tried it with the eyes higher and it just didnt look right to me, so i thought hey why not, and made them insanely low. indeed chibi proportions you can really play with, and as ong as they look cute its ok :P

@slamjam thanks :P

now's the time to make requests because i have nothing to do :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 17, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
I request my character tristan riding a tyranosaurus rex.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 05, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
sorry for the delay :P

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Requests/2017-10-05%20walterbrequest_zpsc1e6s2wv.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Requests/2017-10-05%20walterbrequest_zpsc1e6s2wv.jpeg.html)

heres a low quality speed paint (to save upload speed haha)

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/v/K4RSn3CmQBQ

things are finally booting up for me. heres a little i did over the last few days.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-10-01%20d1_zpsy57ztu7z.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-10-01%20d1_zpsy57ztu7z.jpeg.html)(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/Good%20Manga/2017-10-01%20presenter_zpsuwjuqzmf.jpeg) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/Good%20Manga/2017-10-01%20presenter_zpsuwjuqzmf.jpeg.html)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4500/23662241798_7b14cccbc6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C3Xb7b)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: eukocar on October 05, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
great job on the eyes!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on October 06, 2017, 04:16:18 AM
I freaking love the striped suit one. Now that is an original character design. You got a keeper.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 06, 2017, 02:49:25 PM
@eukocar thanks i was actually focusing on the eyes a lot more so glad you like them

@forlorn thanks :P the pose turned out not as good as i would have liked because of bad planning but i must say i do like her too :P no idea what the inspiration was though lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 07, 2017, 12:34:06 PM
Like serpet said, the stripped suit one looks very good. Great suit!

And Tristan riding a T-rex looks awesome, thank you for it!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 07, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
@walter thanks, glad you like it!

latest: bit of reference and random poses/costumes

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4475/37555581241_78c1bb6622_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZdEaTp)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4467/37555581071_2a8e437238_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZdEaQt)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 08, 2017, 02:57:35 AM
The clother look really good. Regarding the girl, something about her arms look unnaturally stiff in some of the poses.  Like she is a doll
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 08, 2017, 04:55:49 AM
thanks! regarding the poses, i just wanted varied arm/leg positions so some of the poses are "meant" to look like that. i need to work on a better range of default poses when i am doodling though, I just cant think of anything when i am drawing lol >_<

EDIT: latest: hands, hands, hands

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4462/37546904802_fd7a9e59b4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZcTGFC)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 09, 2017, 04:25:45 PM
latest: trying from now to draw at least a page a day. (still recovering health so not so bothered if i miss a day :P)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4456/37569396292_ec4b78b1db_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZeSYBW)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 10, 2017, 07:35:23 PM
Suuper-sama, what is your process when it comes to the page-a-day thing for your second page? And do you use references for the hands?

The pinstripe anime girl is a win for days, it's its awesome to see you back in action. Those pose studies are so much more detailed than what I work on. I always envy that sort of thing haha.

Get well soon? Or gambate? Anyways keep on keeping on
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 11, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
the poses in these you mean?
Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4456/37569396292_ec4b78b1db_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZeSYBW)
I normally think about things i do in everyday life to get some inspiration (similar to your drawing everyday objects), or create a character and run through their day and pick out anything that looks like i can draw it. since im not focusing on anything i might end up trying out he same pose several times or doing a whole page of hands if my mind wanders. im just getting used to it but hopefully ill be doing it more "slice-of-life" poses. i didnt use reference for those specifically but i might have on another day.

the hands i did use reference for, depending on how i feel i reference hands from photos of real life to really get the feel of them, or copy from other manga to see how artists have stylized and simplified the details but kept it accurate.

thanks and my energy is literally getting better and better and better

Latest: more sketches
Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4478/23789612648_00400a98fe_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CfcZ2j)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4470/37593837826_6c6b87de2c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zh3feG)

this was meant to be more sketchy but i accidently inked it kinda properly lol
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4488/23789612998_168e859967_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CfcZ8m)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 12, 2017, 12:15:51 AM
For an accident, that turned out pretty grand. Love that outfit! She looks kawaii as heck. Great colouring too!

The sketch dumps are crazy. Much output, much wow. Haha great that the engine is only revving up even more and stuff
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 12, 2017, 11:04:33 AM
glad you like it :)

latest: some feet
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4452/36944516144_52dce99e08_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YhEiwh)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 12, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
Hell yes feet. I've never gotten to those. Hands are my pain and pain and I want to deal with them. You really did try all sorts of angles here. Great work
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 13, 2017, 05:08:04 PM
there are a lot of ways to simplify hands using guidelines and the like. try drawing from reference and then drawing from memory, or tracing guidelines over the top of photos to get a decent idea of how hands (or anything for that matter) work.

latest: a bit of everything

Referenced Stuff
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4468/23826057668_4e7c4654bc_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CiqLRJ)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/37646396952_a70f6d7440_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZmFCew)
Original Stuff
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4505/23826057248_8fc678ba05_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CiqLJu)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4498/23826057868_0b1c9a51c8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CiqLVb)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4501/37646396782_171783836c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZmFCbA)
Took 50 minutes total to sketch and ink all 5 characters. I suppose the theme was barefeet :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on October 14, 2017, 06:16:00 AM
I don't know why I haven't seen your art before! Either way, your work is fantastic, especially your sketches. They all come off really charming to me, probably because of how soft your lines are. The inked and colored works are not bad at all either!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: FrankieSutton on October 14, 2017, 11:13:08 AM
these are really good.  i like this art style!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 14, 2017, 05:36:47 PM
Dem feet! You are super productive as usual.

There is something off about the anatomy on those last 5 ones

Second one (legs crossed) area below the hips is way to small

3rd one: her hips are way too wide in comparison to her chest

4th looks like a mutant. Like part of her stomach was swallowed by her ass. And whats upp with her right hand?

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 14, 2017, 06:14:39 PM
@devola well ive just started being active again, i haven't been here much in the last two years, busy with work and coursework. Thanks, i do like the soft lines too :P

@frankiesutton thanks!

@walterB this is just the beginning of my productivity! (hopefully!)
thanks for your feedback. the 4th one is meant to be leaning forward with her hands back. i see what you mean about the other ones, ill be more careful in the future :P

laest sketches, nothing going on here :P
i probably shouldn't draw when i am so tired :P
Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4484/37666478722_4d042a3998_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZosxQW)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4468/37441194050_ec5b881a61_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Z3xUys)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/37666478832_2287cdf728_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZosxSQ)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 15, 2017, 04:43:25 PM
latest:

Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4465/37687165242_121ef8e2a0_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zqhze5)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/23865879388_30d95d47c0_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CmWSt7)

and finally something half decent. took about half an hour or less

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4511/37461627070_3247073ee1_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Z5mCzU)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 17, 2017, 04:54:03 PM
latest sketches again. Been a tiny bit ill but managing to keep it constantish
starting to wonder what inspiration even is and how i ever drew so good before lol

Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/23908741338_6c88fa293e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CqJxQf)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4513/37761763231_2941f082a8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZwSUBi)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 18, 2017, 09:54:17 PM
Great clothes
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 19, 2017, 11:27:46 AM
@walterB thanks!

latest from yesterday, decided to randomly sketch from the anime i was watching. it would have to be the excalibur episode from soul eater :P


Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4447/37536237290_23f6ec648f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZbX2B1)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4468/23941683688_c13beea17d_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CtDorN)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4477/37536236990_e7734b45eb_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZbX2vQ)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 20, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
Great job buddy. I love that manga. What is your favorite character? Mine is probably Stein, followed  by Chrona, Blackstar and Medusa.

Medusa's superpower (vector arrows) is one of the most creative powers I have seen. The first fight of medusa vs stein is spectacular. 
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 21, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
Mine is probably also Stein. He is sort of a role model for me as a mad scientist. That fight was indeed spectacular. Medusa's vector ability is similar to one that i made up way before i saw the show so it was kinda cool to see it in "real life" :P

latest: been drawing a bunch everyday but nothing worth showing. here some bits and bobs. starting to get the hang of something, but i have no idea what it is :P


Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4468/23987101948_832f3d7351_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CxEaHf)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4465/23987102158_859904a9f2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CxEaLS)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 22, 2017, 09:36:01 AM
Very good angles. You make great clothings

Stein is my model too. I like how he experiments with his own brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQCKObiVzuk

Gotta keep feedeing the crazyness!!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 22, 2017, 12:45:57 PM
@walterB thanks. nice video too. I'm half way through re-watching Soul Eater at the moment so its all quite fresh :P

latest: Megumin from KonoSuba. Mucked the face up (amongst other things) sadly but i will definitely draw another :P this is what happens when you only get serious half-way through a drawing, and don't decide on a style until it's finished >_<

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4500/37149028104_42737b10ef_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YAJtNy)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 24, 2017, 05:26:57 PM
sorry for the lower quality sketches the last couple of days, something is going wrong with compressing the images

latest: a bit of real life face reference, and trying to get used to drawing in higher resolution :P

Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4476/26133513369_8061d1dfc4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FPk63H)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4469/26133512819_4bf605d3ba_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FPk5Te)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4483/26133513679_71d7b72145_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FPk694)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: arvivlx2 on October 26, 2017, 04:00:00 AM
looks great!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 26, 2017, 02:04:40 PM
I like the crossbow one!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on October 28, 2017, 06:26:28 AM
EXPLOSION!!!
I love Konosuba fanart, great job with the hat and the staff! Despite how you might feel about the final product I think you captured Megumin quite well, her clothing looks very authentic.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: FrankieSutton on October 28, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
@walterB thanks. nice video too. I'm half way through re-watching Soul Eater at the moment so its all quite fresh :P

latest: Megumin from KonoSuba. Mucked the face up (amongst other things) sadly but i will definitely draw another :P this is what happens when you only get serious half-way through a drawing, and don't decide on a style until it's finished >_<

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4500/37149028104_42737b10ef_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YAJtNy)

so nicely drawn!  so simple! 
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 31, 2017, 06:21:07 PM
@arvivlx2 thanks!

@walterB thanks. yeah its a favourite pose of mine :P

@devola thanks, i appreciate it. I'll definitly try and draw another megmin fanart sometime.

@frankiesutton thanks!

latest: been ill so i wont be posting much next week. i think im stuck on something fundamental now it might take a while to figure out. like i dont even think its art related even, like some sort of thinking issue lol. maybe im not drawing enough yet :P

Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4473/38074426931_14e4b490e9_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/211voCK)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 02, 2017, 05:57:55 PM
latest: some stuff. tried out a different style. not sure if i like it or not.

Spoiler
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4555/38091738932_90a0886078_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21337Tw)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/24271154128_d8c0cfc92f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CYL1wC)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/38091738302_f8ba00e027_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21337GE)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4522/24271155398_6dd507815c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CYL1Uw)

I think i got the proportions fairly ok for this one though. should have done a shadow. oh well.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4563/24271153048_2f0747ca6f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CYL1d1)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Vio on November 02, 2017, 06:49:07 PM
I like the hatches you've done on the character. That's something I need to start practicing to do, too. :thumbsup:

The only thing that caught my eye was the girl's thighs. It seems like her right thigh is larger than her left, but that might just be me :hmm:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 02, 2017, 07:23:16 PM
@vio thanks. I'm thinking the hatching is the way to go, at least for now. No you are totally right about the thighs, i noticed the moment i finished :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 16, 2017, 12:06:39 PM
Hi again. Ive actually been drawing a fair amount, but because its been late at night i cant be bothered to upload it. And now i can. basically more gesture drawings and studys of face, hands etc.
sorry about the spoiler clipping the right 5% of the images, i cant be bothered to change each width to 750 instead of 800 :/


Referenced Stuff
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/38432536652_2e41849ed2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y9Nbh)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4521/38464094041_c0ff7e402a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWx6c)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4535/38464092191_fe5d71fa7c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWwxi)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/38432534752_f140223622_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y9MBw)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4563/38464090491_53a2774291_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWw2Z)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4546/38432533862_f5cc8e86aa_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y9Mmb)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4566/38432532862_90ac2c3430_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y9M3W)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4529/38464087081_830b7f3fe4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWv2c)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/38432532182_931ff0d42b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y9LRd)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4573/38464085771_dd05b6a446_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWuCB)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4571/38464082391_de529a2c2c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWtCk)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4540/26688155679_736f7ea246_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GEkLTa)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/38464080431_0bc237d1b0_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWt3x)

Original Sketches
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4520/38432535472_f8bb241517_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y9MPW)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4542/38464088891_c2c0d59d13_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWvyp)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4544/26688156659_6bd06ff807_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GEkMb4)

and although being copies, this turned out really well so i'll un-spoiler it. Im slowly starting to get back into colouring stuff and painting with layers and stuff.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4537/38464082901_2277df3649_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21AWtM8)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2017, 06:45:59 PM
If I had your omake slinging abilities I'd be drawing myself clapping hands at this awesomeness in a looped gif. Great grind suuper, great grind.

Love the eyes for sure. You're almost there man. Now it's my turn to ask for when the comic projects come along haha.

How goes the ones you were working on anyways?

Really awesome dump man. Inspiring stuff.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 17, 2017, 03:47:23 PM
paint me inspired :P

(https://i.imgur.com/7GDDkMW.gif)

first time making an animation in GIMP. learnt a ton of useful things, like how much i forgot i hated the slowness of animating from my blu-tack animation days lol

the comics are currently paused, but i may pick them up in a month or so. im gradually gaining speed as my health is finally clearing up. i looked back at some of my old work and i'm amazed at the quantity and quality of some of my old artworks, i dont think i could do that now. i've yet to regain that level of insane output but i can feel it in my bones :P

off to draw some more stuff.

edit to fix picture
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on November 17, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
This is really cute! I really want to try more animation but it's just so tedious sometimes (probably because I have no idea what I'm doing). And as always, your sketches are super charming, can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 21, 2017, 04:41:04 PM
Dude that animation haha! Nicely done! Kawaii as heck suuper. Teach me!

What software did ye use?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Manimal on November 22, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
All those sketches...it makes me tired to think of drawing all that. Everything looks good as usual! It looks like you have a good structure to build these characters on. As normal you show a good grasp on things, and it's nice to see!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on November 23, 2017, 05:33:28 AM
Yo duuuude its been a long time how are you doin great work on that sketches hope to see more of your works men hha
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 23, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
Nice animation, and I love what you've done with the reference and sketch images. Looks like you've been working your butt off, and it shows in your growth. It's like everyone around here is growing up and it's making me feel old :push:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 25, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
@devola thanks!
@lego glad you like it :P I used GIMP! I dont have a method but when i do i'll let you knw how i do it :P
@manimal well it was tiring to draw it all :P
@killerB i'm doing great! been ill for the last year but starting to get some serious momentum now. good to see you back too
@mahluaandmilk thanks haha well we all have different circumstances. as long as you gain experience then feeling old isnt so bad :P

if luck happens i will post stuff later :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 26, 2017, 11:46:54 AM
CT Chrysler is my inspiration for when it comes to animating things with GIMP. Dude is a beast!  Will be looking forward to more of your mad grinding skills
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 27, 2017, 04:20:22 AM
@lego cool i'll check him out sometime.

latest: some sketches. wow i did more than i thought i did now that i upload them :P

Spoiler

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4541/38674155441_5dc5cc82e6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vva2t)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4565/37786425515_d545a98370_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zz4iR6)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4541/38674154481_d0509ba351_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv9JV)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4559/37786425095_1993e66ac0_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zz4iHR)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4571/26898174279_73a324f2d3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYUb6v)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4545/24801818868_d60bd9e802_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DMDNEG)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4548/26898173739_04d5c7d1e7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GYUaWc)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4541/38674152421_f8e9b3c5f1_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv98p)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4579/38674151641_4dcdee7b9a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv8TX)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4573/24801817368_9d429e434c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DMDNdQ)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4521/38674150621_43d1309db2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv8An)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4550/38618347766_bb75033642_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Qz8mb)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4582/24801816018_d9d265cc0b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DMDMPy)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4523/38674148961_d44739f244_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv86K)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4527/38674147871_42db32d7a6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv7LX)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4569/24801814138_e961b2a1b3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DMDMg9)

more copies:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4576/38618346956_b05aebe380_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Qz87d)

I shouldn't draw when i am tired:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4549/38674146491_0a8ab2fc32_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21Vv7na)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 09, 2017, 06:00:03 PM
Gorgeus eyes

Quote
I shouldn't draw when i am tired

lol I know. On the other hand, some people say working when you are tired is precisely how you push your limits and get better (force of will is like a muscle, the more you train it the better it gets).

Up to a limit, of course. Consistent lack of rest/sleep WILL take a toll on you eventually. I say it form experience  :(
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 09, 2017, 06:18:44 PM
Gaaaaah! I need to catch up to this merciless grinding dump skill of yours suuper. Impressive work. And yes, sleep is a requisite, but I can't help but admire your awesome diverse studies. Keep it up man (get some sleep too but yeah keep at it)

The last one does look a bit wacky. She's bending all sorts of ways, but I like the colouring. Really, if I could draw like you i'd just quit trying to learn anything new and start on my long cherished and never drawn stories at last haha.

SHARE SKILL PLZ.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on December 09, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Wow its so long the sketches good job men
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 15, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
That's a beautiful number of studies you have going on, and I love how you're easing into your style with them too. Won't be long before we'll be seeing your name in some bright lights somewhere... :dance:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 03, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
whoops, thought i replied to everyone before i went AWOL. Many apologies T_T

@walterB
thanks
yeah i have sometimes found working when tired pushes your limits but mostly for me I'm working when I'm asleep :P

@lego
thanks, although as far as sharing skill goes, looks like since that last comment the tables have turned :P you managed to turn out loads of sketches and that story and a bunch of your other mangas like no-ones business :) PLZ SHARE SKILL BACK!

@killerB
thanks! long time no see :P

@mahlua
thanks. the lights might have to wait a little while.... :P

walterB, killerB, maybe I should be suuperB hmmmm

anywho, latest few sketches from a while back, just so you guys know I'm alive. I'm not sure if I'm officially back yet or not but whatever. not all my sketches by any means, and not necessarily my best. I just randomly picked my original sketches from the thumbnails :P

Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1755/40735097130_b8af435afb_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1741/28670043498_ce97975ea1_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1730/41641497445_2250ebf932_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1739/40735094790_18cc1e6ab1_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1737/40735093790_da4663c1dd_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1757/41820647244_caa9d46dbc_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1754/41641492365_0911baef23_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1748/27673031357_ac32804a4e_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1729/41820645884_66022ff00f_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1726/27673029877_36d174aa5c_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1742/28670037038_0f7b0db419_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1723/42491520722_b2bf4de8f9_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1754/27673027097_93b4088a35_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1758/28670035298_9088a251df_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1737/40735088490_4dd62ca26e_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1750/27673024787_5b0a89e3eb_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1729/41820642374_12544f1f42_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1753/40735086810_fb48253e7a_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 03, 2018, 04:30:16 PM
Man, you're doing what I need to be doing at this point. Does it feel satisfying when you fill a canvas with sketches? I would imagine it does. And how long does each page usually take?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 03, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
wow first time in ages being online at the same time as someone else :P
I suppose it does feel a little satisfying, but theres always the next blank canvas to fill so mixed feelings :P
usually each page takes 15-20mins to complete. If i am copying or gesture drawing it will be 10-15 minutes but will look roughly the same as the ones I posted. If I am watching anime then 20-30 mins per page lol :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 03, 2018, 04:42:42 PM
If I had a dollar for every time I refreshed the main page of MR and saw only my name under "users online" I wouldn't need to be taking commissions lol.

Yeah, I'm one of those people who has difficulty initiating, so like, I see a blank canvas and get kinda stuck on it, so I'm always impressed when I see people powering through it. That's why I like you and Lego so much. The determination you two show is a step above--especially considering I am convinced that there are other raiders doing similar practices, but few of them share just huge dumps of what they've been up to like you two.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on June 03, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
How goes the commissioning by the way Mahlua?

And be careful, you don't want to see a green alien catman blush. Manimal can be a beast too sometimes but he's channeling everything into music nowadays. And I gave up a long ago trying to craft perfect pieces so it's more of a dump of despair as I fight against my natural talent for mediocrity.

@suuper

Dose' feet and hands will almost give me a fetish *drools* So good! I need me some of that.

And haha I got a temporary advantage so sure have some I'll send by wave of good vibes... Good to see some stuff from you again suuper, whenever you're technically back or anything or even if you have a backlog of unposted stuff I'd love to see it.

Those fabrics! Love em!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 03, 2018, 04:46:35 PM
@Lego no commissions as of yet. I'm probably gonna start doing YCHs and Adopts. It feels weird talking about my stuff on Suuper's thread >.>;;
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 03, 2018, 04:55:42 PM
@mahlua I know that lonely feeling

Spoiler
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l627/suupertramp/alone_zpsx0i4zn3g.png) (http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/suupertramp/media/alone_zpsx0i4zn3g.png.html)

but if you get stuck for ideas on filling a canvas, what about suggestion dice with like hands/feet/face etc on the sides. have another dice (die I know) for styles or something else to make the pages different. camera angles/poses etc

got the idea from this guy http://atomicshrimp.com/post/2014/01/20/Invention-Dice (who also has interactive dice on the page so have a roll it's fun)

when I make some art ones, I'll post them here

@lego thanks. gonna catch up real soooon

PS yeah guys stop using my thread for commission discussion!! unless it's my commission!!!!
for a split second I was really confused, I thought I had clicked on Mahlua's page by mistake :P
but best of luck with the commission Mahlua its a hard road but once you get a foot hold I'm sure you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on June 03, 2018, 05:05:24 PM
Gomen, my bad.

That dice is amazing haha! People come up with the best of things. Will bookmark that page for a session one time.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on June 04, 2018, 02:34:45 PM
Fantastic Feet and Hands. Keep it up! I give it a B for "Beautiful"
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 04, 2018, 04:15:49 PM
@walter thanks, awesome!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on June 04, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
Glad to see you're back and still going in hard on those studies! Keep it up, it definitely seems like all that hard work is paying off.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Weak on June 05, 2018, 02:08:01 AM
dude, seeing your first draws and last ones just filled my heart with inspiration haha, the way you make soo many studies and a lot of sketchs to improve yourself, man that's insane, i wish i had half of your determination haha, keep going you're just awesome.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2018, 04:50:16 AM
@devola thanks. yeah slowly but surely I am improving, but if I coul dbe more consistent and regular it would probably be a bit better :P

@weak thanks! I've always liked a challenge so I think that forms a good part of my driving force :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2018, 04:20:02 PM
did a sketch at mach speed. took 25 minutes for the lot :P
trying to pull back a little speed and put it into quality but keep forgetting haha

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1751/42596924841_ae04ec4025_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27U9nGD) (https://flic.kr/p/27U9nGD)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on June 05, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
Great work Super! :) I like the tennis one the most.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on June 06, 2018, 06:03:23 AM
Samn suuper I just love your ability to draw kawaii chicks. Like the tennis one too but the dress below and laptop girl are the waifus of my heart. In 25 minutes too? Haha good stuff man. I wish I were that fast.

You have a nice ability to show character emotion through posture too
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: eukocar on June 06, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
All of this in 25 min :o. Amazing job i hope that i can archive this kind of speed one day.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 06, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
@jamie, lego
thanks guys. I like the star T-shirt one myself.

@eukocar thanks, haha well speed isnt everything (despite that's what I always say) I suffer on quality quite heavily :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on June 07, 2018, 03:47:32 PM
Wow. Thats real fast.

Killua's Godspeed couldn't match it  :clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 12, 2018, 06:36:20 AM
@walterB lol thanks :)

latest: normally i dont post my gesture drawings but they looked a tad cool today. some face copies and a bunch of poses which ended up being identical :P
I changed my brush size from 8 to 20 and added a texture to try and get away from details. not sure if it just made everything worse or not:/

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1725/27882115147_b4d996feb5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JtR8re) (https://flic.kr/p/JtR8re)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1724/40940356590_1c30175de7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25nL2F5) (https://flic.kr/p/25nL2F5)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1729/27882114477_d1775ffc32_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JtR8eF) (https://flic.kr/p/JtR8eF)

^these clothes were randomly picked from a fashion magazine I had so no credit for those :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 12, 2018, 12:02:25 PM
Ay man, fashion magazines are one of the greatest ways to get gud at clothing. Maybe we could all benefit from actually drawing form it like you :push:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 12, 2018, 02:16:36 PM
@mahlua I think the trouble is sometimes we religiously collect "reference", be it clothes, poses etc. but never actually get around to using it in our artworks. I'm starting to loosen up on that front now and just go for it.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on June 12, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
You're preaching to the choir in quite a painful way man. Dude the thousands of images I had in my computer one time. I just deleted them all. So many anime screenshots and stuff I had plans for haha. It's even worse with my art books and tutorials. At one time I did them as I watched/read them but when the gathering began it became quite a problem.

Love the stuff here for sure. Top right and top left of the 3rd picture is my favourite.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 13, 2018, 04:38:35 PM
@lego I remember you mentioned before about your reference collection. I too have thousands of animes screenshots and reference books,pdfs,videos that I have collected over the years. Always planning to go through them but never quite making it :P
while the planner style personality has a bunch of benefits, there is a limit!

Latest: went traditional and realised the pain of getting used to a fat digital tablet pen makes you useless with using a normal ballpoint pen.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1758/42064681574_551c075944_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2767ujA) (https://flic.kr/p/2767ujA)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1753/42782515401_1f245e1e24_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28bxziT) (https://flic.kr/p/28bxziT)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on June 13, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
Kawaii desu neeeee. Really love the expressions. I seriously need to learn to draw gals like that...
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on June 15, 2018, 06:23:48 AM
Looking at your sketches improve over time is really inspiring. Your diligence really seems to be paying off! Are you planning on continuing with more studies or are there any projects you want to apply all this practice towards?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on June 15, 2018, 10:22:52 AM
I also had a really cool reference collection of action images (mostly from berserk) but had problems with the computer. I find that it is really important to sort them properly in different categories the moment you save them because otherwise it later becomes way to difficult to find something you need.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 15, 2018, 12:21:02 PM
@lego everything is curves when it comes to cuteness

@devola thanks haha well i enjoy doing studies so I often forget my main purpose. I would love to have a serial manga or make graphics for all the games I half-make :P

@walterB yeah I'm currently sorting my photos into categories like textures,buildings,landscapes,props etc. Its quite fun but very laborious :P

Latest: starting at the beginning to work out what makes my guidelines wrong

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1751/42099943224_7bc99c7abc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/279edo5) (https://flic.kr/p/279edo5)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1755/42768599102_8dfe228c7d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28ajftG) (https://flic.kr/p/28ajftG)

What I learned/think so far:
(mostly obvious but I think its important to keep in mind)
(some might also be plain wrong because I am talking off the top of my head)

-guidelines are the most important - if you mess those up you wont get a good drawing no matter how good your inking is.
-you should spend the most time drawing the guidelines as they are the most important
-once your guidelines are in place, everything else should be easy. If you struggle inking/oversketching, then your guidelines are not good enough
-guidelines are simply tools to help you draw the picture you want. they can be as abstract as numerical notations or as precise as a practically finished picture. whatever it takes to get the picture you want, draw it. (for some people this includes tracing but I'm not going into politics here)
-if you cant draw what you have in mind, chances are guidelines wont help much (but they will be better than nothing)
-just because you are "sketching", it doesn't have to be fast. A slowly drawn good line is better than 10 badly drawn quick ones. I often draw the circle guideline for my faces very quickly, and get a random 1 of 6 possible shapes which probably isn't a circle.
-in contrast to the above, taking your time is pointless if you don't know what you are aiming at
-just as Microsoft Word keeps checking your text for spelling mistakes, you have to KEEP checking your lines. you want to treat your sketch as if its a life-drawing (you constantly keep looking up at what you are copying), constantly checking against your imagination to make sure you are putting down what you want.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 15, 2018, 05:53:51 PM
Hard agree on all of that, mate. I struggle with getting my guidelines down, and when I work digitally, it can take up to eight layers before I finally have something worth working with for lineart. I used to think I was just being excessive and bad, but I honestly think it's more helpful to go through that process of messing up and readjusting until you have something right. It's how the brain learns. Like it or not, art is a learning process.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on June 15, 2018, 07:53:47 PM
All learning takes place through iteration. That's a good word to keep in your mind when working. If this version isn't as good, you can try to improve in the next. If that doesn't work, try again, but slightly differently. Eventually you'll stack pebbles into a mountain.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on June 17, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
Please share more insights when you do your sketches suuper haha. Useful stuff to see for sure, and agreed for sure (and yeaup Coryn iteration is key)

I saw someone doing guitar riffs like crazy and I went on a youtube trek for some tutorials and found a tutorial for beginners that prescribed something so basic but fundamental I realized why I don't get better nearly fast enough. I've forgotten about stuff like guidelines and the basic mechanical skills of drawing horizontal and vertical lines, arcs and circles and immediately jump to the other concepts when I don't have a good basis in those skills yet. I've got to get back to the grind and learn that basic stuff so well I don't even need to think of it. After all, the pros who draw with minimal guidelines are actually still using guidelines but they've done them so many times they don't even need to think of them.

Curves make kawaii eh? I shalt try to test this theory.

Digging the circles, and the outfit on the latest practice. Feels really like clothing on a body here so yeah.

Keep at it suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on June 18, 2018, 12:53:14 PM
Keep improving man. You will soon reach the top!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 20, 2018, 05:16:08 PM
@mahlua I know what you mean about the layers :P
I get upset when I go over 4 so I can imagine your frustration to get it right :/

@coryn yeah. I think though that you have to have the right sort of iteration to get the best progress though. Still working on the illusive perfect method :P

@lego I started practicing scales and exercises for my piano again. I realized after 10 years why they are so important. Thats half my  instructors (several over the years) fault for not telling me though and half mine for not asking :/
thanks for the encouragement and I will share any more tips I discover. I'm keeping a bit of a diary too so that I can make a book or something at some point :P

@walter thanks. I'm certainly aiming that way :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KohakuRiver on June 24, 2018, 10:45:47 PM
Just discovered your thread. You are good at drawing clothes. I see a definte style blossoming. Keep it up! :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MK on June 25, 2018, 12:36:17 AM
Something I noticed is that you seem to draw the same body type.  While you've definitely have refined it over time I think you should still practice drawing some other body types.  You should check out Kienan Lafferty's video on concept art https://youtu.be/6KL0hcAYVoc (https://youtu.be/6KL0hcAYVoc)

Also another thing is maybe color your next piece with shadows as I think it would be more beneficial critique your colors.  I know you have colored pictures in previous posts but critiquing more recent works is always better as you might have improved since then.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 25, 2018, 04:19:31 PM
@kohaku thanks! its hard to find a style but i'm getting there :P

@MK thanks for the critiques. I must say you are spot on for those comments. regarding everything being the same, I struggle just thinking of things to draw, and partly the problem is just I'm thinking of other stuff so I don't have too good focus. Thanks for the video link I'll have a glance at that. Can't make any promises on shadows as most of my work ends as WIPs :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 26, 2018, 07:44:03 AM
sketchdump of last few days. things are getting slightly better regarding all the things that were preventing me from drawing, so I'm on course about 15%. more than enough to make a break for getting better :P

ignore the big heads i was just seeing how far is too far :P actually kinda cute tho :P
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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1814/41209320450_70824e230c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mwxg1) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mwxg1)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1778/41209320000_fb4b90c6af_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mwx8f) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mwx8f)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1769/41209319750_f7302714f1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mwx3W) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mwx3W)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1770/41209319550_8349ba6595_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25MwwZu) (https://flic.kr/p/25MwwZu)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1772/41209318980_4296fc1cc5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25MwwPE) (https://flic.kr/p/25MwwPE)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1780/41209318720_50531f6afe_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25MwwKb) (https://flic.kr/p/25MwwKb)
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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 26, 2018, 10:51:34 AM
Very chibi-looking on the big heads, but yeah, I'd say you found where too far falls. Maybe if you had centered the eyes and made them larger it would look a little more believable.

Good work with the hands and pure determination, as usual.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 26, 2018, 06:48:40 PM
@mahlua thanks. I really love the cute chibi style so I will definitrly be revisiting that for sure

I think yesterday and today I might be on to something with the old art thing 0_O
latest today:

gesture/copies
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/924/43031006401_abc20eccac_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yva2t) (https://flic.kr/p/28yva2t)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/29158941618_b5bd744431_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LqFcsJ) (https://flic.kr/p/LqFcsJ)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1766/43031005441_3aa6a5402d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv9JV) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv9JV)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/844/43031004551_2997be14a6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv9tz) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv9tz)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1767/29158940308_1689034fa6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LqFc59) (https://flic.kr/p/LqFc59)
original
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1822/43031003291_f05a9ff30e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv96R) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv96R)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1830/29158939648_c41884512a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LqFbSL) (https://flic.kr/p/LqFbSL)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/839/43031001641_94eed95df1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv8Bp) (https://flic.kr/p/28yv8Bp)

I feel really sadist when drawing crying girls, I feel so sorry for them and my conscience is like "what did you do to them you monster??!!!"
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 26, 2018, 07:26:56 PM
I think if you were truly sadistic, you would enjoy drawing them with less remorse, haha. Keep up the hard work. It's certainly more than I'm capable of at the moment.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on June 27, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
So much output. Keep it up man! Some great figures.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on June 28, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
@mahlua thanks for that, I feel slightly less bad about myself now :P

@walterB thanks :)

well the next month is a little choppy (when has it ever not been, I hear you ask), but I'll draw what I can.

latest scribbles:

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1825/42356878764_d059f7f8ab_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27wW5nb) (https://flic.kr/p/27wW5nb)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1801/28206702137_94375672d3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JYwHQD) (https://flic.kr/p/JYwHQD)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1804/42356879114_a95182d26f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27wW5td) (https://flic.kr/p/27wW5td)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on June 30, 2018, 02:13:29 AM
Love the style and line work.
In 3/4 view watch for the eyes foreshortening. Don't forget to add a bit of the far cheek, keep in mind how the head curve. 
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Daisetsu-bushido on June 30, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
And that's what we all should do everyday to make improvements :). I like how you handled with the hands. And the characters look cute :).

Gotta train some more myself :P. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coach Fro on June 30, 2018, 07:00:17 PM
Guidelines, guidelines... Gotta start employing that into my art myself soon. Nice sketches suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 01, 2018, 12:11:28 PM
@keanfox thanks for your critique. I am very aware of the 3/4 foreshortening, but for the style I use at the moment, I generally avoid it or don't do it as much as i think is "realistic". Will probably regret with due time :P

@daisetsu thanks its just like gym work, gotta keep it regular :P you too man, go for gold :P

@fro yup they help, but only if you know what you are doing, like you dont need to draw a whole cube-cube-sphere-cube for every limb of a body, just a bit of a curve, or a bit of a line, to keep your "drawing lines" in check. even a circle for a face isnt too necessary, just 4 dots or dashes would probably suffice at the compass points (would probably be more accurate too if you cant draw circles like me), but only if it works for you individually. that's why every artist's tutorial has different guidelines rules for drawing hands, figures, etc. even a 5x5 square grid that you put over the image you are copying is a guideline, and that doesnt change at all from image to image :P but it sure helps!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on July 02, 2018, 07:03:38 PM
@keanfox thanks for your critique. I am very aware of the 3/4 foreshortening, but for the style I use at the moment, I generally avoid it or don't do it as much as i think is "realistic". Will probably regret with due time :P
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 03, 2018, 05:20:47 AM
uuhhhhh what did I mean again?
I assume you meant something like "the far eye will be smaller" when you meant foreshortening, but I prefer it to be a similar size regardless, I just do :P I do squash widthwise a lot, but not heightwise, so I don't know if thats what you meant or not.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on July 03, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Oh! okay. If that what you going for.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 03, 2018, 07:38:36 PM
at the moment, yes :P
that probably sounds pretty stupid but once ive gone around and polished a bunch of anatomy i daresay i will eventually concede XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 05, 2018, 03:14:48 AM
latest sketch. nothing special.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1802/43210166001_2f221df03c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28QkoW6) (https://flic.kr/p/28QkoW6)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on July 05, 2018, 06:10:40 AM
Melloriiiines. Love the movement on second from left. The head busts of the gal are good too. I can track the movement and everything's in the right places. You sir know how to treat proportion-sama. Proportion-sama can be a cruel mistress
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 05, 2018, 07:40:35 AM
thanks. the second left one is also my favourite. don't know how it happened :P
proportion-sama is a complex multi-faceted individual :P

basically the trick to art is to draw everything right :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on July 05, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
The second from bottom left als my fav!!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 07, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
@walterB looks like she's a charmer then :P

latest:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1828/29390389118_4a5ca7cbcf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LM8qJS) (https://flic.kr/p/LM8qJS)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on July 07, 2018, 03:59:06 PM
Top row: The third

Bottom row: The second again.

Keep it up!  ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
@walterB thanks! my favourites are the right three on the top row :P

latest from today,probably all i will do today:
Mondays are now my art days, so hopefully this will become a major-update-on-Monday thread.
I included the gesture drawings since that was most of the output today.

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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/919/43300766531_3ce91d34d5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkKjc) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkKjc)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/842/43300765691_203a4fc4d4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkK4H) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkK4H)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/926/43300764891_922786dd6b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkJPV) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkJPV)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1761/43300764211_a25fa51389_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkJCc) (https://flic.kr/p/28YkJCc)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1783/41491155130_a4748a9ddc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26dr1TC) (https://flic.kr/p/26dr1TC)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/927/41491154440_b617d6d474_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26dr1FJ) (https://flic.kr/p/26dr1FJ)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/844/28431454747_1f4b961fc1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KjoCXD) (https://flic.kr/p/KjoCXD)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1782/41491152450_3102e90dc2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26dr16q) (https://flic.kr/p/26dr16q)

and the best ones again full size.
all Megumin drawn from complete memory so reference mistakes will probably abound.

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very happy with this one, I was worried for a while I would never be able to draw anything decent again :P
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/919/29430914698_5c547dea89_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQH8zL) (https://flic.kr/p/LQH8zL)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/915/43300833921_0e46ce893b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28Ym6m6) (https://flic.kr/p/28Ym6m6)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/921/29430914028_3eb5860c5e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQH8od) (https://flic.kr/p/LQH8od)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/919/43300832871_f36af4f3fa_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28Ym62Z) (https://flic.kr/p/28Ym62Z)

Edit with the rest of today:
I managed to get a bunch more done than I expected :)

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1804/43308131011_519d4d0fa0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YZuvZ) (https://flic.kr/p/28YZuvZ)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1823/43308130671_01366e443e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YZuq8) (https://flic.kr/p/28YZuq8)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1802/29438155178_dd977765ff_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LRmeVC) (https://flic.kr/p/LRmeVC)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1826/43308129921_bdb711b543_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YZucc) (https://flic.kr/p/28YZucc)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1803/41498486860_9fcc5c2388_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26e5AmL) (https://flic.kr/p/26e5AmL)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on July 10, 2018, 05:10:54 PM
They really need a tearing smile emote.
:') Makes me a happy man seeing another fellow artist get their drills/practice done. As monotonous as it can be it's incredibly rewarding if done properly.

On wards and upwards pal x
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on July 13, 2018, 08:25:54 AM
So much output. Incredible!!

Those weapons are great. Good to see more variety instead of always lolis  :tongue:

You have been added to my artist spotlight (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,15573.msg295251.html#msg295251)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 14, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
@OviumNoir if there is not such an emoji then we shall create one! thanks yeah drills are a tad tedious but yeah I'm seeings results. thanks :P

@walterB thanks.

instead of always lolis  :tongue:
it was that noticeable, huh?   :ohmy:

You have been added to my artist spotlight
wow!!!! so cool!!!

latest scribbles. nearly on to something, maybe?

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/921/42687549854_223786c2c1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2839RmS) (https://flic.kr/p/2839RmS)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1790/28534550877_a1411d384d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ktv2R8) (https://flic.kr/p/Ktv2R8)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 14, 2018, 11:10:18 AM
Awh, what a cute boy! I think you're definitely on to something.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 14, 2018, 11:13:33 AM
@mahlua Well i wasn't aiming at cute but thanks :) I definitely need to produce more finished pieces though
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on July 14, 2018, 11:23:18 AM
He looks good! Getting a nice variety of body types is important, especially in manga style where fat people are like unicorns. And if they do show up, they are usually proportioned like cartoons (you know what I mean)

Keep it up!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on July 14, 2018, 11:57:27 AM
What Coryn said. Good to see some body type variety.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 16, 2018, 04:55:11 PM
@coryn, @Walter thanks!

Latest: did a bit of improving loli proportions varied body styles
It was a fairly bad start to the day but managed to make the most of it: tidied my room to the best in about 6 months, potted a pepper plant I've been growing on my windowsill for a month, and drew these. On my 4th double espresso of the day which may or may not be helping.

Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/837/41646078020_4c6848be36_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26s834W) (https://flic.kr/p/26s834W)

trying to figure out a new brush setting
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/913/42549451505_4b316727e7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27PX4wR) (https://flic.kr/p/27PX4wR)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1785/41646076540_5a96484482_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26s82Cq) (https://flic.kr/p/26s82Cq)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/41646075670_6462a83d51_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26s82nq) (https://flic.kr/p/26s82nq)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/42549449515_00a2304109_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27PX3Wx) (https://flic.kr/p/27PX3Wx)

best one today (so far)
using my nice new brush style that allows sketching and inking without changing the settings :P
only trouble is that sketchier sketches will show up as fainter, so its a bit of a trade off if I'm not having a "finished-piece" moment.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/841/42738085214_397f4c36e2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/287BRLb) (https://flic.kr/p/287BRLb)

as usual, if I could get my whole manga as good as this or in this style I would be happy, but oh well T_T
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 17, 2018, 02:46:59 AM
Oh my, I think I just saw suuper having drawn men and boys. That's certainly a nice change. And hey, it's okay to be productive in other ways, too. At least, that's what I tell myself.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 17, 2018, 02:53:27 AM
Oh my, I think I just saw suuper having drawn men and boys.
well it had to happen sooner or later - I can't stay a one trick pony :P

And hey, it's okay to be productive in other ways, too. At least, that's what I tell myself.
Yeah, me too T_T
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on July 17, 2018, 03:41:33 AM
Dem bods ands faces Suuper, it's pretty cool to see your output haha. You are a rare creature of the night sometimes.

And haha, I envy your ability to draw kawaii in the first place. If I could consistently do it I'd abandon drawing dudes altogether lel.

Really like your poses, and your respect for proportion-sama.

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 17, 2018, 08:46:41 AM
the trouble is timewise I spend about 85% gesture to 15% original, but I think it should be closer to about 60-40.
Often I am left with very little time to draw something of my own invention because I had too long a warm up. I'm working to cut that down in my special training mode, but I dont know what I am doing as always :P

actually its kinda depressing this year out of about 200 pages, I've only produced 13 noteworthy artworks, the rest are just sketchy sketches and gestures.

My output pales compared to 2013-2015 where I would have done about triple the pages, but circumstances considered I don't let that particular thought get me down.

regarding proportions, I think I might be on the verge of some sort of breakthrough with male/female/adult/child guideline differentiation.

If its any help,so far I have discovered that the guidelines for drawing a different character are actually more similar than you would expect. Its often the culmination of small changes throughout the person that makes the overall difference seem larger. This applies to relatively normal "realistic" proportioned characters, not crazy anime stuff, although it leans into being applicable everywhere. I have a few documentations of this which I will post at some time.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 17, 2018, 09:34:16 AM
As for the warm up thing, maybe only allot yourself thirty minutes maximum for those things, and then after those thirty minutes are up, whatever's there is there and it will not be worked on past that point.

I know what you mean. Having over 100 characters, I know that it's actually really easy to use the same proportions (generally speaking) and come out with widely different looking characters regardless. It's just a matter of breaking down those proportions into what you want them to do. I often find myself thinking of like, the overall goal of the character's design and apply that to a basic figure.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 19, 2018, 02:38:23 AM
@mahlua yeah a timed warmup amount might be the thing I need.

wow, 100 characters????? I bet you need to keep character sheets to keep a track of them!!

latest: I was seriously tired so meh

Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/844/41694469120_caef328c0b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26wp44f) (https://flic.kr/p/26wp44f)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1822/29631436358_b8ba4dee4d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M9qRFL) (https://flic.kr/p/M9qRFL)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 19, 2018, 03:08:48 AM
Head's a bit large on the top right figure on the second page, but it looks like you progressed and got around to getting the "proportions" down. I'm liking the new variety. And here we see Suuper drawing dudes!

(Yeah, I've tried quite a few times to get them down in group shots with up to twelve or even sixteen characters per page, but I don't have one solid collection of them from any one era of my art. I've tried character sheets, too--they're strewn through my old clipboard case. They're quite a few years old, though.)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on July 19, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
Still looks great. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 19, 2018, 06:06:39 PM
@walter thanks!

@mahlua maybe collating all your characters and redrawing them would make a good project hmmmm. the redraw meme doesn't get enough use around here IMHO

latest: used a random object as a base thought to make characters a bit more varied. I included the objects so you can laugh with me :P

Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/925/43516213021_18ca1fee74_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29inY3R) (https://flic.kr/p/29inY3R)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 19, 2018, 06:43:06 PM
Head still looking a little big, but I like the variety, at least. Might steal that idea later for sketch ideas.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 20, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
Yeah I've did head height as the base circle but I'm wondering if it should probably been the whole head including the chin, which would make the overall height larger. pretty sure I did a stupid there :P

And its great to have a random inspiration, even if the end result is not at all related.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 23, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
so something strange happened. well, two things. I decided to take my own advice, and the advice actually worked (I think)

heres my latest full-time piece, took 70 minutes which still could have been longer but I ran out of stuff to add.
cel shaded version took 20 mins less. they look pretty darn good to me so hopefully thats not just my rose coloured glasses :P

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/861/43599078371_a626d0ee62_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF2M) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF2M)(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/850/43599078271_0658fcb989_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF14) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF14)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: eukocar on July 23, 2018, 07:27:52 PM
Good work :thumbsup:.

But i have one small question for you.
What was the advice you had for yourself?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Vikings1428 on July 24, 2018, 06:56:18 AM
I'm blown away at how greatly your art developed. nice work with the last pic I love the way you did her hair  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 24, 2018, 12:26:42 PM
@eukocar thanks. this advice from my wall of text I posted on Mahlua's thread. It's especially applicable to me as I spend almost all my time on 3-5 min sketches, and if I'm lucky, 10-15 minute ones.

Something that I have been trying lately but not actually doing (well played me), is spending a little more time and doing a full-time piece every now then. So maybe every 2 weeks, spend 2 hours or whatever is your maximum skill on a piece, take your time, double check lines and guidelines as much as you need. treat it like a commission in that you have to finish it even if its (what you consider) bad. Chances are you will produce a comparatively high level piece compared to your normal sketches.

I was pleasantly surprised that actually spending time on a piece actually does allow you to put your full skill into it. Also strange how I have improved despite not doing any full pieces for ages, but only little sketches. Every little helps, I guess :P
Whether the next one will be as good, we shall see :P

@Vikings1428 thanks! the hair method is one I really like doing because it makes it really shiny :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 29, 2018, 05:23:18 PM
latest I forgot to post a couple of days ago. ttried to produce "a good quick sketch". which failed pretty badly except for maybe the hair.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/936/41912348660_72145a2fff_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26RDK43) (https://flic.kr/p/26RDK43)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 29, 2018, 05:36:56 PM
The hips do not appear to be connected to the waist :ohmy:
But yes, the hair and boots both look nice.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on July 29, 2018, 10:13:25 PM
I concur with the hair. I really like that one big curl. But her shoulders a and hips definitely do not come from the same human body. There's no Frankenstein stitching under that top is there?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2018, 01:41:37 AM
@mahlua @coryn haha yeah the hips weren't the best bit to say the least :P thats what happens when you don't apportion your time properly and rush the sketch, but that should take the longest to get it right, then rush the colouring would look better. I'm starting to learn at what speeds can each stage can done properly at.

glad the hair went down well. I actually meant for more curls, but did so many sketch lines I couldn't see what I was doing when inking lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 30, 2018, 08:17:57 AM
sup men im impressed on how can u make realistic features meeeen its like ajin realistic features too
i havent post on forum gonna keep up on you soon im still drawing btw but with studying paint mixing now too too hard
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 30, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Nice to see you around again at least, Killer B.

Yeah, Suup's really ahead of the game when it comes to working with a lot of reference and applying it to his art. An inspiration to us all...even when he rushes through the sketch.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2018, 11:57:04 AM
KillerB!!!!!! you're back!!!!! again!!!!!!
I actually take Ajin as reference since I really like the realistic level, although I don't hardly ever actually draw at that level lol
would be great to see any art that you've been getting up to. paint, huh? yeah I don't like mixing it either :P

@mahlua glad to be an inspiration! inspiring people with good artwork would be preferable though lol

but as you well said, art is mostly about doing what you don't enjoy so you can do what you enjoy better T_T

latest: managed to whisk out 2 pages of vaguely interesting poses off the top of my head as opposed to all standing facing forward lol. not sure how I managed that. starting to get the hang of something, I think.

Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1814/42836378855_3ef7765cfa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28giD38) (https://flic.kr/p/28giD38)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/854/29869739068_d2d193863f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MvudMb) (https://flic.kr/p/MvudMb)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 30, 2018, 12:08:07 PM
Hey man, that's great! Even if some of them are pretty sketchy, you're pushing that boundary. That's why it feels like you're getting the hang of something. You don't need to blow yourself too out of the water--change happens on the outside edge of your comfort zone, not five feet on the other side. It's certainly been where all my breakthroughs have come from.

Come to think of it, maybe that's why fundamentals haven't really helped me much. They're still too far over my head. Ah well. The grind continues.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2018, 12:13:22 PM
-change happens on the outside edge of your comfort zone, not five feet on the other side.
That makes me feel so much better! That's becoming one of my inspirational quotes. And it totally makes sense. It makes me think "Oh if it's only the edge of my comfort zone I could manage that"

Come to think of it, maybe that's why fundamentals haven't really helped me much. They're still too far over my head. Ah well. The grind continues.
Fundamentals are a foundation. By its very nature it's hard to see, but everyone knows its there. Just keep building it :P
It's closer to say that they are under your feet, not over your head :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 30, 2018, 05:29:48 PM
latest again. working a bit on speed again I've slowed down recently.

copied 15s gestures
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1775/29876724228_3bcf5e9541_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw72dY) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw72dY)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/850/43031669254_26b9ac3142_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyy4Y) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyy4Y)

my own, 15-20s gestures
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/29876723348_d0f4178aa7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71XN) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71XN)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1773/43031668864_1bc9734eb5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyxXf) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyxXf)

bit longer sketches up to about 4 minutes
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1778/29876722178_b666c30a76_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71BC) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71BC)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Austadophilus on July 30, 2018, 07:08:40 PM
Really impressive! You've done so much! And they're so loose and flowy too!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on July 31, 2018, 03:40:30 PM
Nice practice, this reminds me of our little battle "20 Sketches every 3 days"  ;D ... I can't believe it was already 3 years ago  :confused:

http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,13349.0.html
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on July 31, 2018, 06:07:22 PM
@austadophilius thanks! I'm trying to get that flowy feeling working for me

@nomena I often think about that thread! I wish I could revive it but I cant guarantee consistency, at least for now @_@

Did a drawing on a napkin

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/942/42867005075_7fb6a44459_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28j1B9p) (https://flic.kr/p/28j1B9p)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coach Fro on July 31, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
I tried my hand at figure drawing a few days ago. The pro's make it look so easy man.

Nice work Suuper! The Napkin doodle looks cute lol.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 01, 2018, 06:30:30 AM
thanks
for figure drawing etc, its just practice. That might seem like a understatement, but thats legitimately all it is. just loads of it :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coach Fro on August 01, 2018, 09:49:09 PM
Of course. I find that letting myself loose as I draw them helps a lot in the process. The figures I draw began to look a little less stiff and more natural looking the more I relax my arm over time.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on August 02, 2018, 12:14:20 AM
Yeah, getting into the right mindset when sketching is like half the battle for me. Generally, I feel way more productive when I've taken the time to be psyched up about sketching!

Keep it up Suuper, it'll be really interesting a few years down the line to look back on all this and watch how your hard work has paid off!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 02, 2018, 05:10:38 AM
@fro yeah thats what ive been trying out more lately, it seems to work wonders for fluidity. I fi could just get the proportions right at the same time then we would be talking :P

@devola yeah psyching myself up gives me about 90% of my productivity :P I can't wait to be a "pro" artist haha
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on August 02, 2018, 03:29:35 PM
latest again. working a bit on speed again I've slowed down recently.

copied 15s gestures
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1775/29876724228_3bcf5e9541_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw72dY) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw72dY)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/850/43031669254_26b9ac3142_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyy4Y) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyy4Y)

my own, 15-20s gestures
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/29876723348_d0f4178aa7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71XN) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71XN)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1773/43031668864_1bc9734eb5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyxXf) (https://flic.kr/p/28yyxXf)

bit longer sketches up to about 4 minutes
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1778/29876722178_b666c30a76_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71BC) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw71BC)

The good ol' practice I see so many neglect... well done Tramp x
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 04, 2018, 02:18:34 AM
thanks!
I try my best to grind those levels :P

latest over the last few days: probably was a bit too tired to be drawing maybe :P

Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/856/43836452591_98e4f61502_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29MFh7K) (https://flic.kr/p/29MFh7K)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1773/29966754418_6fe3766f1d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ME4s4C) (https://flic.kr/p/ME4s4C)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/861/43836452001_239bb0b590_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29MFgWz) (https://flic.kr/p/29MFgWz)

let me know what you guys think of this colouring style. its a lot looser than normal, as I'm looking for a sketchy style that I can colour with at the moment. I don't have a decent sketch style at the moment. things sometimes naturally turn out good on the first sketch, but whenever I try and improve it on another layer, it loses its natural sketchy feel.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/29966789848_599e4a9985_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ME4CAu) (https://flic.kr/p/ME4CAu)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on August 04, 2018, 07:26:45 AM
Honestly, I have a friend who I've been drawing along side with for about 4 years and he just doesn't understanding how necessary grind is to success. I actually don't see it much so to anyone of any skill level who gets the mileage done I've got massive respect for.

Keep these sketches up, I could learn from a couple of these too, the bottom left and top right (middle blue haired girl) are poses I'd probably struggle with myself initially. Good to see you doing the difficult poses. Also well done for getting the gesture down and acknowledging the relationship between the head, ribcage and pelvis - that to me is VITAL to understanding the body.

btw Supes What software do you use btw for the artwork? Sai?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 04, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
thanks :P
I often struggle to get a good pose, and forget what poses I can draw lol
I'm sure there IS a method to draw well without grinding, but I think very few find it or are able to successfully apply it. grinding is more reliable in that regard :P

I use GIMP because it's free. I might use Sai at some point but it just felt like another GIMP to me. "A good workman can use any tool well" is my motto in that regard, since most of the problem is actually drawing what you want correctly anyway :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 04, 2018, 08:37:58 AM
Just look at Lego and his steadfast adherence to Microsoft paint.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 04, 2018, 09:18:37 AM
that was pretty much my basis lol

EDIT: FINALLY uploaded some stuff to deviant art, and here's the speedpaint of the previous good one I did, also FINALLY uploaded to youtube for the first time in a year or so :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrXxIu5fAsU

https://www.youtube.com/v/rrXxIu5fAsU
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 05, 2018, 05:15:14 PM
had a good day today, although I didn't actually do anything decent. still trying to figure out inking it just feels trange when I do it. the sketches feel better to me. still thinking I'm on to something :P

copies

15 second gestures
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1820/28933820607_dc7ae7464b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L5MoPZ) (https://flic.kr/p/L5MoPZ)

10 seconds gestures
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/834/43870095381_540f1af552_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGWR) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGWR)

7 second gestures, starting to push it
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/931/43870094951_be368d5e41_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGPr) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGPr)

5 second gestures. sneeze and you miss a whole image :P
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/849/43870094481_9331868c15_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGFk) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGFk)

30 second gestures. felt like an eternity
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/848/43152547084_b32da40920_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28Kf5Qu) (https://flic.kr/p/28Kf5Qu)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/935/43870093891_258774166f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGva) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGva)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1796/43152545944_e7c2271705_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28Kf5uQ) (https://flic.kr/p/28Kf5uQ)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/936/43870093431_420835b027_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGne) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGne)

original
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/931/43152545004_ce1fd3b567_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28Kf5dC) (https://flic.kr/p/28Kf5dC)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1811/43870092951_330aa95561_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGdX) (https://flic.kr/p/29QDGdX)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 05, 2018, 05:19:07 PM
You say that, but you really have some great consistency across all of these sketches suuper! Consistency of skill is a more valuable skill than being good in general sometimes. There's no point in being good if you can't keep producing at the same level.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 05, 2018, 06:42:10 PM
thanks :)
I had forgotten about consistency being worth anything :P
even artists whose art I would consider "bad" has a charm when it's all the same style.

well as it would happen I've had a mini breakthrough. hopefully tomorrow since I'm drawing all day I'll be able to test my idea out.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1815/42062793930_a22267426e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/275WPc1) (https://flic.kr/p/275WPc1)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2018, 01:49:49 PM
ermmmmmm I'm not entirely sure exactly went on in my head but I did these improvements on previous sketches, that I believed were the best I could have done at that time. I'm quite happy with these, even if it is through rose coloured glasses :P

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1796/43170432314_672fb28bdf_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28LPKuw) (https://flic.kr/p/28LPKuw)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/854/43888169201_b0240a0c77_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29SfkEr) (https://flic.kr/p/29SfkEr)

I've learnt a couple of things, most of which I either knew and/or recommended to others, but didn't realize they also (obviously) applied to me :P


I seriously feel like I leveled up this time for good.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 06, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
There does seem to be a consistent level-upness to your recent stuff. Only time will tell what sticks and what falls. It's also great to hear all the lessons you've learned, even if these seem to be the kind of ones that require experience in working with as opposed to things someone can just explain and others can pick up the skill like that.

Now we wait for the return of Lego and his war cry of "World's longest Nekomimiiii"(tm).
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2018, 04:26:33 PM
I nearly gave the neko as a tribute to the late lego (2009-2018) he will be missed. seriously tho, he's late :P

yeah you can read all about stuff but until you experience it for yourself I don't think you quite "get it". Because everything I'm realizing is stuff I already know and everyone else probably knows it as well, but now I appreciate and understand it, rather than just knowing it.

EDIT: all the rest of my sketches from yesterday

Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1779/43181265174_14a3920d0b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28MMgHY) (https://flic.kr/p/28MMgHY)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1816/30029895778_d80a672fa4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MKD4ML) (https://flic.kr/p/MKD4ML)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1835/42090471730_1710435db8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/278oEQs) (https://flic.kr/p/278oEQs)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/42090472140_1225b1acf6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/278oEXw) (https://flic.kr/p/278oEXw)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 07, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
Only time will tell what sticks and what falls
well at least that last piece wasnt a one off.......I did another one. I think it turned out even better......whats happening???!!!!!

took 60 minutes plus whatever the sketch took, like 3 minutes.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1834/43866439132_6110530d26_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29QjY55) (https://flic.kr/p/29QjY55)

this is the old sketch, from one of my many pages of random mediocre-bad sketches. all I actually did was finish it off......

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1797/42105879890_be009bb7c6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/279KD9o) (https://flic.kr/p/279KD9o)

so I'm legitimately confused now......was I seriously missing something that obvious?
I need to go back and grind base skills now. I struggled to add shade skillfully, and overall design is still quite simple. there's always something to do :P plus a bit of wobbly proportions here and there haha
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 07, 2018, 10:32:44 PM
The ears are...odd, but I do see what you mean about looking even better. Maybe someday I'll put my nose as close to the grindstone, lul.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 08, 2018, 02:06:03 AM
I wondered about the ears actually, maybe they are too realistic looking for this style?. normally I skimp on the detail so I was a bit unsure when drawing them. or the lobe is a bit funny. Because I sketch too much and don't finalize enough drawings I suddenly realized my lack of visual library all over again :P

I went through my old sketches and found over 100 sketches like the one above that I want to finish. I think that finishing a sketch later once I moved on to the next one never even entered my head, that I would feel better on another day to finish it :P

So I'm hoping to keep that up with rolling my unfinished drawings on into a separate folder which I can go through and find to finish. This is the first time that I have felt that I have a style, albeit more a method rather than a style as each piece will still be rather unique :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on August 08, 2018, 12:03:17 PM
To me, it's the angle at which they jut out. It looks like when you see the ear more in profile, or like, you're seeing too much of the inside for it to be a front face view. The ear is a weird thing that obscures itself more than that.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 08, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
ahhh yes now that you mention it I did think the exact same thing. I was partly wondering if that's my style or not though, since when I draw realistically I draw then more flat against the head and hardly visible, but I always draw manga style sticking out. hmmmmmm. nope, they stick out way too much lol.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on August 08, 2018, 04:47:18 PM
Yeah it's a habit I used to have to, though in real life some people do have ears that fan out like that, so you can consider that your style choice here :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 09, 2018, 03:54:51 AM
Mewth. I like cat girl!!! At least you can be sure she won't be a bitch  ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 09, 2018, 03:59:49 AM
@ovoiumnoir well now that it's been pointed out I'm thinking that I would rather avoid it!
@walterB thanks! yeah she's a real cutie if I do say so myself :P

latest couple of copies

Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1834/30073126498_a6d8acc1c0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MPsCM1) (https://flic.kr/p/MPsCM1)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1791/43942063791_b356ffa1b5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29X1yDv) (https://flic.kr/p/29X1yDv)

and a nice one that was an older sketch

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1798/43222881654_d87df8fa0e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28RsyRu) (https://flic.kr/p/28RsyRu)

Now that my production quality has gone up and the images are sharper, I can now see that I have no idea how to shade properly or draw hands to that level, so I'm gonna have to do a crash course in that to keep up with the rest of my skills. That, and as Devola says, backgrounds, and I might be in business :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on August 09, 2018, 02:48:43 PM
@ovoiumnoir well now that it's been pointed out I'm thinking that I would rather avoid it!
@walterB thanks! yeah she's a real cutie if I do say so myself :P

latest couple of copies

Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1834/30073126498_a6d8acc1c0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MPsCM1) (https://flic.kr/p/MPsCM1)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1791/43942063791_b356ffa1b5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29X1yDv) (https://flic.kr/p/29X1yDv)

and a nice one that was an older sketch

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1798/43222881654_d87df8fa0e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28RsyRu) (https://flic.kr/p/28RsyRu)

Now that my production quality has gone up and the images are sharper, I can now see that I have no idea how to shade properly or draw hands to that level, so I'm gonna have to do a crash course in that to keep up with the rest of my skills. That, and as Devola says, backgrounds, and I might be in business :P

Don't think I've seen clean finished work from yourself ever, apart from the headshot and this, I started to wonder but I always knew you could, it's good to see what level you're at cos now I can keep close track of your progress. Which I think when it comes to that you may progress fastest here based on your sheer volume of drill-work... speaking of which just opened your other spoiler, and it proves my point. Love the eyes and the eye angles, mix the eye styles up a little more I think!

But otherwise it's theraputic seeing the drill sheets, dare I say maybe even a little more than the finished pieces!
gogogogo Super
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 09, 2018, 05:29:17 PM
@oviumnoir many thanks :) true I hardly ever finish my work, partly because I have never felt that I was able to give it the quality that I wanted. I seen to have hit level 1 for finishing artworks now, I have gained quite a bit of confidence. as you say, its just practice and perseverance :P

latest: I hardly ever post WIPs, but this has taken 2 hours so far. a request from a friend. theme: "Young male steampunk revolutionary leader". Sounds random enough ,right?
some colours are placeholders while I outlined the shapes, don't know which ones I will change, though.

had to go through 3 sketch layers to add the detail up.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1792/43953515611_49279862db_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Y2fSF) (https://flic.kr/p/29Y2fSF)

EDIT: was so excited about the WIP I forgot to post the rest of my work lol

just copies:
Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1840/43234997004_d54886635e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwEjQ) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwEjQ)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/932/43234995974_b7f7b7e05b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwE25) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwE25)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/862/43905380982_ddcdf3d222_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLy8h)2 (https://flic.kr/p/29TLy8h)

my own
Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/936/43905380312_d7aa1f9b1d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLxVJ) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLxVJ)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/43234994234_e0bff2b685_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwDv5) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwDv5)



and trying our a new hair style. let me know what you think of the hair, or anything for that matter.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/927/43905382382_d5fc0e64f4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLyxq) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLyxq)

For those wondering, I didnt trim this image to make it SFW, thats all I actually drew lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 09, 2018, 10:44:54 PM
I don't know man. I kinda like his color palette. Feels very 'of the time' as it were.

The hair looks pretty good! Like it has a real coarse texture to it. There's a lot of detail, which feels like it will all get lost unless it's a close up like this?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 10, 2018, 01:49:04 AM
well I randomly picked the colours based on that sort of olden feel, but they were still random nonetheless. I can change them at any time so a late re-think won't hurt me, but I do kinda like it. maybe just making them darker or lighter might make the difference.

yes, I also noticed how useless the hair becomes at low zoom, maybe thats an issue I have to solve, or its a limit of this style. we shall see :)
I used one of those dotty brushes that adds lots of lines with one brush stroke. gradually lowered the size when adding shade and highlights. first time ever using that sort of brush, or almost brushes at all for that matter.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on August 10, 2018, 06:10:07 AM
@oviumnoir many thanks :) true I hardly ever finish my work, partly because I have never felt that I was able to give it the quality that I wanted. I seen to have hit level 1 for finishing artworks now, I have gained quite a bit of confidence. as you say, its just practice and perseverance :P

latest: I hardly ever post WIPs, but this has taken 2 hours so far. a request from a friend. theme: "Young male steampunk revolutionary leader". Sounds random enough ,right?
some colours are placeholders while I outlined the shapes, don't know which ones I will change, though.

had to go through 3 sketch layers to add the detail up.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1792/43953515611_49279862db_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Y2fSF) (https://flic.kr/p/29Y2fSF)

EDIT: was so excited about the WIP I forgot to post the rest of my work lol

just copies:
Spoiler
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1840/43234997004_d54886635e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwEjQ) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwEjQ)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/932/43234995974_b7f7b7e05b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwE25) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwE25)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/862/43905380982_ddcdf3d222_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLy8h)2 (https://flic.kr/p/29TLy8h)

my own
Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/936/43905380312_d7aa1f9b1d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLxVJ) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLxVJ)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/43234994234_e0bff2b685_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwDv5) (https://flic.kr/p/28SwDv5)



and trying our a new hair style. let me know what you think of the hair, or anything for that matter.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/927/43905382382_d5fc0e64f4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLyxq) (https://flic.kr/p/29TLyxq)

For those wondering, I didnt trim this image to make it SFW, thats all I actually drew lol

I agree with Coryn's take. I do love these finished pieces/WIP indeed, love the concept design behind your character and the weaponry, maybe you should consider CD one day, some real nicec clean work from you Suuper. Good to know you're doing what seems to be commission work? Even if non-paid it's good you're getting into the habit. Let us know how this Steampunk kid WIP goes ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 10, 2018, 07:23:18 AM
Yeah its part of my getting into commissions. I feel unconfident in my ability to produce a range of pieces since I always draw girls with similar clothes, and so I feel not able to do paid comissions, so I'm doing free ones for practice. I'm actually going to go through the old "get your character drawn" thread on MR and do as many as I can for practice. then I might feel confident at selling my skills. I'm hoping to clear this stage near the end of September or October, so setting up prices before the end of 2018.

I wasn't actually sure if it was meant to be a weapon or not, since it lacks a trigger. it was more of a cane that went steam punk, and halfway through drawing it I was kinda like hey this is a cool gun :P
often my best designs of stuff happen when I design something completely unrelated and think, oh hey this looks kinda like a cool gun/building/outfit.

PS OviumNoir did you know you can delete quotes to just the bit you want once you insert it? then you can just quote the picture you are talking about, or respond to just one phrase, without bringing everything up again :) just wondering haha
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 10, 2018, 08:16:35 AM
Thats some fantastic looking hair, and skin shading. That steampunk characters looks awesome too!!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 10, 2018, 10:39:49 AM
thanks!

well after 3.5 hours total I finished it, making it one of my longest ever pieces. I seriously cannot shade and mostly guessed where shade went, which made it weird, and also my shading method is also pretty poor, so seriously highlighted some of my biggest problems, which was great.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/935/29025856557_0a864ca5a6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LdV6UH) (https://flic.kr/p/LdV6UH)

also seriously how do you do shadows????

maybe you should consider CD one day
whats CD? Character Design?
If so then that's totally on my to do list :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on August 10, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
also seriously how do you do shadows????

Well, it looks pretty decent to me :). Though I am not sure if the shadows of his boots or cane(?) go in that direction ... considering the whole piece I'd say that light come from the front ... so I'd advice to always keep in mind the location of the light source ... and you could probably try darker values to make the shadows pot out depending on how strong the light source is.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 10, 2018, 12:51:16 PM
thanks for the tip. I completely forgot about light direction! (You can tell how much I do shading!!)
I also forgot a bit of backlighting which I just remembered :P
yes it is a cane, maybe?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 10, 2018, 01:41:24 PM
It definitely looks like it could turn into one shot rifle in a pinch.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 11, 2018, 01:58:28 AM
@coryn let's say that it can then :P

forgot to upload my sketches with the excitement of yesterday. just gestures and stuff, nothing original or amazing T_T

Spoiler
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/935/43925243072_a422551e56_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Vwmr7) (https://flic.kr/p/29Vwmr7)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/942/43925242852_2dd2c57509_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Vwmnj) (https://flic.kr/p/29Vwmnj)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/937/43925242772_578e150d59_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29VwmkW) (https://flic.kr/p/29VwmkW)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/942/43925242652_032d6c8282_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29VwmiS) (https://flic.kr/p/29VwmiS)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/931/43925242572_1129affd9f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Vwmhu) (https://flic.kr/p/29Vwmhu)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/941/43068148865_a6f44b9327_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28BMwbM) (https://flic.kr/p/28BMwbM)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1837/42164785890_dc9b2c8d94_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27eXxR5) (https://flic.kr/p/27eXxR5)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 11, 2018, 03:12:37 AM
Great sketch dump. Feet look good!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 11, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
@WalterB thanks! I've started skipping drawing the feet again in my full body sketches so I need to practice them more!!!

I included the step by step animation for my previous drawing. I love these when others make them and hopefully it might give you guys some inspiration.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/CJYZy4O.gif)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on August 12, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
Nice process! These are always interesting to look at. I like the steps from sketch to lineart. Getting past the sketch part is hard for me in digital probably because I can't feel it out like I do on paper. This is proof it can be conquered! I - must - persevere XD

Your sketches are looking good too! Dem necks
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 13, 2018, 06:06:09 AM
@echo thanks! I've noticed that if I "have" to do a piece, such as a commission or request, I find it easier to break through that barrier of a rubbish first sketch. a few iterations down the line and you would never have thought how bad the first one was in comparison. A way I am starting to think of it is: (haven't decided on a final phrase)

-you can't improve what isnt there, so get anything down on paper.
-it's easier to tell whats wrong and improve it than to draw it right first time.
-not drawing something (because you think you cant) is basically giving up on a chance to learn how to do it right

Funny, I would have thought paper would have been harder because you can't work in layers......hmmmmmm. what do you mean by "feeling it out". like the way you sketch? I draw almost identically on paper and digital (which is partly why I failed for so long), so I personally don't feel much of a difference generally.

but regardless of the problem, it can be conquered!! that's the spirit!!!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 13, 2018, 04:43:25 PM
All of my work from today. Had a late start as I overslept but made the best of the time remaining :P

copied
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/942/43113644885_52aee99d93_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGyV) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGyV)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1779/30151264168_2e1dfc1da2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7od) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7od)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/43113644645_92f6abc76a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGuM) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGuM)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1812/30151264068_6587978df6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7mu) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7mu)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/928/43113644465_95b2f5d092_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGrF) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGrF)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1818/43113644285_0f31da2995_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGoz) (https://flic.kr/p/28FNGoz)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1774/30151263848_464d7a10c6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7hG) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7hG)

original
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1793/43300915954_2d40896787_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28YmvJs) (https://flic.kr/p/28YmvJs)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/30151263688_88ba18d773_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7eW) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7eW)

I also included the step by step animations of the two requests I have done on my Request Thread (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php?topic=19269), which is still open!!

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/CfVENj6.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/tA5L1ij.gif)

edit: just redrew this old sketch. hands and proportions are probably off :P

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1793/42212130780_a26a6f923f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27j9cQh) (https://flic.kr/p/27j9cQh)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on August 13, 2018, 10:08:45 PM
Cute girl XD I like how you did the hair and the shine.

-you can't improve what isnt there, so get anything down on paper.
-it's easier to tell whats wrong and improve it than to draw it right first time.
-not drawing something (because you think you cant) is basically giving up on a chance to learn how to do it right

I like your points there, the third one especially hits home. I know I tend to shy away from drawing ideas because of that exact reason I think I can't do it, but that's a good argument for getting past the mentality.

Funny, I would have thought paper would have been harder because you can't work in layers......hmmmmmm. what do you mean by "feeling it out". like the way you sketch? I draw almost identically on paper and digital (which is partly why I failed for so long), so I personally don't feel much of a difference generally.

I actually got a tablet because I wanted to have layers haha.
Mmm, for me "feeling it out" has to do with how I interact with the paper. I'm right on top of my lines, I have a better idea of where to guide them, and I know my paper boundaries. With the tablet I feel like I'm guessing where the lines go or I misjudge the canvas size and the tablet surface feels really slippery!  :confused: Might be just things I have to get used to with more use though.

Layers and undo buttons and colouring are awesome to have though.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 14, 2018, 05:43:48 AM
thanks! I'm working to improve how I make the hair shine at the moment. There are a few methods I'm trying out on older sketches as I redo them.

yeah I used to avoid drawing certain things for ages, even now I tend to not draw hands and feet on my characters. I find that just doing an A4 gesture page or two of whatever is the problem will help to get over the feeling that you can't do something.

I totally get you on those problems!!!!!
the smoothness is something you do get used to eventually, although you can get more rougher nibs for your pens, or some people put a sheet of paper over their graphics tablet to get more friction. I do have different nibs but they all feel the same to me ¯\_(0_0)_/¯
If you zoom in more when doing final details, you will find that you have more control because your movements can be larger.
as for dealing with the canvas size (especially for final pieces), I took four years to get used to that because I was being an idiot. Thanks to my increased efforts lately I finally got the hang of it like 2 weeks ago. Basically I have almost always sketched at the same zoom for my random pages like this one
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/30151263688_88ba18d773_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7eW) (https://flic.kr/p/MWn7eW)
So you start to get used to what you can fit. Once I start an individual sketch, I very rarely move out of that screen so I know what what I am drawing will fit. I often glance around to see how much space I have underneath or to the side so I can sort of plan my next sketch as well. for a final piece style sketch, I do a really loose sketch like the ones in my step my step, as large as I can, often while I can see both the top and bottom of my canvas. I then either rescale the layer immediately, or do an over sketch or two and rescale all layers to the correct size to suit the canvas.
I used to do this a lot, where I finished the sketch as it was on the page
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1742/28670037038_0f7b0db419.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KFtraq) (https://flic.kr/p/KFtraq)
but that means you don't know what your final image size is, and choosing brush sizes will not be as natural etc. And if it turns out really good, the resolution is lower than your normal stuff. So I really recommend if you "happen to do a sketch that you want to finish", copy it to a new page of the same dimensions that you always work in, and rescale it to fit. I use either A3 or A4 @300dpi so I always know what to expect when I draw. Or if you start out to do a finished drawing, work at really low zoom to start off with the balance everything out but no details, then zoom in and you follow your previously laid guidelines. Then you know everything will fit.

hope that gives you a bit of a direction to go in.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: anmonia on August 14, 2018, 01:06:19 PM
Hi! omg the first thing I thought when I see your art is woah!!! what an improvement since 2011! great job! you're working a lot on your art that's very inspirable
if I can just advise you a thing here: for the colors, do not hesitate to play with the color filters, it can give very interesting things! always having the same color palette can become boring, do not hesitate to have fun changing!
look forward to seeing more of your art!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 14, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
@anmonia thanks! yeah whenever I feel down I look back and realize how much I have improved. Practice and time does pay off! Thanks for the tip about colours and pallettes, I will try and go for more daring combinations!
 
felt too bad today to do requests, but heres some doodles:

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1817/30169269838_7ae3ffd435_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXoQN) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXoQN)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1779/44037473781_931f5e7925_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6ryHk) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6ryHk)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/30169269268_c4305d2d36_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXoEY) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXoEY)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1837/44037473211_75e71733dc_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6ryxv) (https://flic.kr/p/2a6ryxv)

and a goodish redraw. took 40 minutes on this one as I was trying to work quicky to see what would happen. tried a slightly different rendering on the hair, which is a bit difficult to see in this one anyway.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1819/30169268958_2a4fec298a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXozC) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXozC)

heres the old sketch to compare by the way. just goes to show what a bit of time and effort can do for quality.

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1820/29100385487_0c5e42c9f8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Lkv5Lg) (https://flic.kr/p/Lkv5Lg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 14, 2018, 08:40:36 PM
Yeah, there's definitely a nubbiness to the hands that you overcame.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on August 15, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
I'll comment on the latest one just to gather thoughts: Heck yeah! Love the colours and her smile. Isn't this from one of those sketches that we talked about a while back? The shirt and pose seems really familiar to what you've been doing.

Sorry for lazy quoting but yeah

so something strange happened. well, two things. I decided to take my own advice, and the advice actually worked (I think)

heres my latest full-time piece, took 70 minutes which still could have been longer but I ran out of stuff to add.
cel shaded version took 20 mins less. they look pretty darn good to me so hopefully thats not just my rose coloured glasses :P

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/861/43599078371_a626d0ee62_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF2M) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF2M)(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/850/43599078271_0658fcb989_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF14) (https://flic.kr/p/29qGF14)

Dude. This is where the party starts. Holy heck man look at how that turned out! I'd have stopped at the first iteration, but it seems your philosophy is just legit: Work on it until it gets really good. I wish I had that. Man this is a rightclicksave moment for sure. Great stuff suuper. It never occured to me, but I think purple really works as a colour. I'll label it as my tentative '4th' favourite colour.


@oviumnoir many thanks :) true I hardly ever finish my work, partly because I have never felt that I was able to give it the quality that I wanted. I seen to have hit level 1 for finishing artworks now, I have gained quite a bit of confidence. as you say, its just practice and perseverance :P

latest: I hardly ever post WIPs, but this has taken 2 hours so far. a request from a friend. theme: "Young male steampunk revolutionary leader". Sounds random enough ,right?
some colours are placeholders while I outlined the shapes, don't know which ones I will change, though.

had to go through 3 sketch layers to add the detail up.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1792/43953515611_49279862db_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Y2fSF) (https://flic.kr/p/29Y2fSF)


Duuuuude. DUUUUDE. Steampunk. Hell yes. You nailed it. Instantly recognizeable. Why aren't you working on the MR VN again? Haha.

Seriously though this is already commission level stuff. What I like most is that it's uniquely your style and just 'nice' to look at. I swear I've seen stuff that is more detailed and hyperrealistic that just has no charm or life to it. I really do like how this looks especially because of how you painted it. 2 hours? Yikes. I need me that sort of dedication.

Man, now I need to listen to some steampunk music. I remember a phase where I was really into that along with cyberpunk. And haha, dieselpunk exists too...



Seriously loving the infinite gestures and sketches and like. You've blown me out of the water and it's not even funny. How the hell am I supposed to come up with an excuse when you're doing this at low health? Slow down, dude. The freaking skeletal studies, the skirts, the shorts! You are ready for ecchi, for anatomy, for fashion and everything in between. Seriously dude this is stuff you need a badge for. I'll even craft one if I can muster a fraction of your willpower. Great stuff to see. I wish I could quote each and every one and comment on which ones I liked in particular, but off the top of my head... I like the skeletons, the skirts, and that one hat with goggles on top.  Great progress gifs of the civil war soldier and maid too. Just wow dude.




And finally, for the most important piece.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/854/43888169201_b0240a0c77_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29SfkEr) (https://flic.kr/p/29SfkEr)

  • The sketch is so important. That's got to have all the information to ink properly. Without enough detail in your sketch it's difficult to ink it well. You might need multiple layers to get to that level, such as a basic pose sketch on the first layer, body on the next, clothes on the next and so on.
  • Zoom in when doing anything is so useful for getting that edge on detail, so when you zoom out its really neat, mistakes get smaller and its just a good job. its easier to see if lines are joined properly and you can avoid making large mistakes that will need cleaning up anyway. And the drawing is a lot more detailed and of higher quality.
  • You can always make an image better, especially if its just a sketch. Sometimes it might feel that doing anything might make it worse, but if you put enough effort and time in, you can make it better. Digital is great in this respect as you can undo if you really do mess it up :P
  • Art takes time. Sad to say even I have hit this hurdle. If you want something to look good, you have to make that investment. Skill and technique can improve speed, but overall a good piece will take a lot longer.
  • Save your good sketches if you don't feel like inking them straight away, or you're in your "zone" and producing really good sketches. its much easier to ink a decent sketch when you are tired/lazy than to produce a decent sketch. I suppose that's why a lot of artists here and elsewhere have a bunch of WIPs. When you are short of inspiration you already have a bunch of half finished drawings. I've been avoiding this since I like things to be open and shut, but I might have to concede on this one.

I seriously feel like I leveled up this time for good.

Thank you suuper you are brotherfriendfamily.


*Inhales*

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Seriously, you really have leveled up, and thanks for the tops. Art takes time is a painful concept, but also freeing in a way. I'm sort of glad there's no shortcut I'm missing somewhere. It makes things easier somehow.

Dude, I don't even need to encourage you at this point. You're one of those artists that just know what they want and will get stuff done come hell or highwater. Still, I'm obligated to say: Gambate! Fight! Keep at it man!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 16, 2018, 09:00:19 AM
@legooooooooooooo you're baaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!! I thought you'd died and gone to Soul Society or something :P

thanks for all the lovely comments!
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I think purple really works as a colour
Any colour works as a colour if you make it work :P
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Why aren't you working on the MR VN again?
Don't want to commit to anything while I am still in the upgrading phase but I totally want to get in on the action.
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Seriously though this is already commission level stuff. What I like most is that it's uniquely your style and just 'nice' to look at. I swear I've seen stuff that is more detailed and hyperrealistic that just has no charm or life to it. I really do like how this looks especially because of how you painted it. 2 hours? Yikes. I need me that sort of dedication.
Wow, thanks! The biggest problem is I can't guarantee that I will produce something of that level consistently. That's what I need to build the confidence on, then I'm hoping I'm good to go for the first level. And that style looks good, huh? I hadn't really thought about actual painting style yet, I just "did the best I could do" with random colours haha. Maybe although being simple ,the design is balanced in detail and skill so nothing looks out of place compared to everything else? And yes 2 hours is just the beginning for "professional" pieces I'm afraid.
Don't miss out on my Request Thread (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php?topic=19269)
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As expected :P
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Art takes time is a painful concept, but also freeing in a way. I'm sort of glad there's no shortcut I'm missing somewhere. It makes things easier somehow.
yeah, this can apply both ways, to individual pieces which take say 4-6 hours+ to produce (needing time for quality), as well as overall progression through the skill levels (needing time for improvement). I agree it is liberating as the end is always there, even if its not in sight one day to the next.
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Dude, I don't even need to encourage you at this point. You're one of those artists that just know what they want and will get stuff done come hell or highwater. Still, I'm obligated to say: Gambate! Fight! Keep at it man!
Thanks so much again. To be honest though, I think I have only made it this far with the encouragement from everyone else here and the shared pains and problems as well as the highs. That's why this forum is so great. It helps you to help yourself by giving confidence, and you do the rest yourself.

latest gesture stuff: finally started sorting out actual manga page references that I have collected over the years, such as explosions/effects references, as well as good clothes references and faces etc. I'll be using them for gesture drawings as I sort them out more, as they are exactly the style I am aiming for usually, being manga. Still got those requests on my other thread to do which is a sort of priority but I feel so inadequate lol

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/43351664404_9bd9888127_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/293QBtJ) (https://flic.kr/p/293QBtJ)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1772/43351663844_4f6e694ac3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/293QBj5) (https://flic.kr/p/293QBj5)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1791/44021741662_94f2949771_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a53W6U) (https://flic.kr/p/2a53W6U)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1794/43351663574_929e8eec11_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/293QBeq) (https://flic.kr/p/293QBeq)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1795/44021741042_12d7a01f0f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a53VVd) (https://flic.kr/p/2a53VVd)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on August 17, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
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If you zoom in more when doing final details, you will find that you have more control because your movements can be larger.
 
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Once I start an individual sketch, I very rarely move out of that screen so I know what what I am drawing will fit. I often glance around to see how much space I have underneath or to the side so I can sort of plan my next sketch as well. for a final piece style sketch, I do a really loose sketch like the ones in my step my step, as large as I can, often while I can see both the top and bottom of my canvas. I then either rescale the layer immediately, or do an over sketch or two and rescale all layers to the correct size to suit the canvas.
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So I really recommend if you "happen to do a sketch that you want to finish", copy it to a new page of the same dimensions that you always work in, and rescale it to fit. I use either A3 or A4 @300dpi so I always know what to expect when I draw. Or if you start out to do a finished drawing, work at really low zoom to start off with the balance everything out but no details, then zoom in and you follow your previously laid guidelines. Then you know everything will fit.

Thanks Suuper XD Those were helpful tips indeed.

and a goodish redraw. took 40 minutes on this one as I was trying to work quicky to see what would happen. tried a slightly different rendering on the hair, which is a bit difficult to see in this one anyway.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1819/30169268958_2a4fec298a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXozC) (https://flic.kr/p/MXXozC)

I like the colours and shading on this one.
Just looking at some of your sketches and finished works, and I noticed the wrists seem a little thick a lot of times. Not sure if it's the guidelines you use? Could just be my preference (my wrists are pretty thin too).  :hmm:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 17, 2018, 02:03:06 PM
@echo thanks! yes depending on the rotation of the wrist it is thicker or thinner, but often I don't take that into account until it's too late. At the moment I'm aiming to get hands and arms better so it's a work in progress :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on August 17, 2018, 05:46:26 PM
Not much to say other than keep up the good work! Have you considered doing some fanart by the way? I'm following your DA and I feel like you deserve a lot more attention than you're getting, some fanart might help build an audience if that's what you're aiming for. Just some food for thought!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 17, 2018, 05:58:55 PM
@devola thanks for the feedback. actually, fanart is about 40% of what I actually want to draw, but I just find it difficult to get it done, maybe because of committing to a character before I start means I have to pay more attention to my drawing lol. I have considered trying to get some done recently, mostly for building the DA subscribers, but opted at the moment to fix the glaring drawing issues I've been collecting :P thanks for the idea.
you can always make a fanart request on my request thread in my signature which would be good practice as well.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 18, 2018, 03:35:36 AM
latest couple of sketches.I noticed that out of August, I have drawn on all but 2 days so far, which is a bit surprising, so its close to joining sketch survival or the 20 sketches in 3 days again :P
just trying to improve consistency and accuracy on basic proportions at the moment.

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1842/43387754854_5c52994ec5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2972zUS) (https://flic.kr/p/2972zUS)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1849/43199374075_1fae20b796_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28Po5Sp) (https://flic.kr/p/28Po5Sp)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on August 18, 2018, 05:40:32 AM
Very good to see some color and specially some shading. Seems to me your art is starting to reach another level, which is great. Keep it up!

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 19, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
@walterB thanks! I think its half my attitude getting better as well as having more time and energy to draw!

latest: some male body practice before doing KeanFox's request on my request thread.

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1880/43234338955_e5253d9e57_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SthHa) (https://flic.kr/p/28SthHa)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1895/43234338835_8d5bae8828_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28SthF6) (https://flic.kr/p/28SthF6)

and here's the completed request. I wasn't sure for the first few whether to put these on this thread as well but I think I will from here, partly because it's more noticeable I think. Animated WIP to follow.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/44092499142_0611e65321_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2abizQs) (https://flic.kr/p/2abizQs)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2018, 06:12:41 PM
You're doing some really good stuff Suuper! I know that it's not exactly what Kean described, but that chin piece is really reminding me of one of the accessories you could get in the KOTOR games.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/41/TulakHordsNotVeryMasklikeMask-KOTOR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130430004545)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 19, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
thanks!
yeah rendering metal is hard enough without it being ornate details! I need to brush up (or rather, learn) rendering different materials otherwise I'm going to get stuck real quick.
haha yeah it does resemble that lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2018, 06:27:11 PM
Just a funny observation. It is Kean's character after all though.

And don't worry, I think I'll just request you do do some females. Since they're so much more in your wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 19, 2018, 06:34:23 PM
haha yeah drawing other people's characters was a lot harder than I thought it would be definitely. I feel like I'm on a huge learning curve at the moment. So much to learn!!
ahhhhh some females would be a good mix :P

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Since they're so much more in your wheelhouse.
Well working outside my ability/comfort zone is always good practice anyway :P

EDIT: as promised, the animation

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(https://i.imgur.com/aJ98Jgy.gif)

EDIT: Sorting out my 170GB+ of "references"
I have over 750,000 images/files of EVERYTHING, including over 10,000 of my own photos, including over 100 unopened .zip files. Plus over 300 .pdf files of books and the like. Half the trouble is deciding on a structure sturdy enough for actually sorting them logically so they can be found again. its a shame I cant tag each image with multiple tags in a short space of time, I'll have to use grouping to a large extent just to cover it all. Will I ever use all of them? maybe :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 22, 2018, 06:41:14 PM
meh

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1842/44157946422_d8ba4c0fbb_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ah622Q) (https://flic.kr/p/2ah622Q)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on August 22, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
That is a lot of references :ohmy:
Btw, for sketches like these bodies, are you drawing from references or do you wing it?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 23, 2018, 01:21:26 AM
I either use
http://www.posemaniacs.com/thirtysecond
http://senshistock.com/sketch/#
or similar online reference sites, or my own collected photos from goodness knows where. or manga pictures etc. or just google the pose I want or the body type, seems to work well tagging any search with "artist reference"

If they are original, I will explicitly say so or separate them into groups of referenced/originals.
often I will do a page of reference and then a page of "winging it" to try and draw half from memory and half from imagination and see if I actually picked up anything from the previous page. results vary :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 27, 2018, 05:00:39 PM
Tried to do a bit of shading copies. took about 3 minutes for each one.
Tried using the blending technique of spamming colourpicker and painting. Honestly I hate it and much prefer smudge, and I haven't seen a good enough reason to not use the smudge tool yet based on how I use it (it's actually hard to find a reason why not to use it people just say don't, it looks rubbish), so I'm going back to primarily using smudge until I understand the difference.

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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1862/44261497652_db2e3429e3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2areKcS) (https://flic.kr/p/2areKcS)

also the latest request from my request thread (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php?topic=19269)
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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 29, 2018, 06:13:56 PM
had a bit of a better day today. got a bit of a better flow as well, maybe because I was trying to multitask and watch anime at the same time lol

referenced/copied
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and trying out a different inking/sketching style on an old WIP. not sure if I don't like the style or I didn't do it correctly :P
took 30 minutes as I was working on getting the speed up.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1871/43636051104_911541d425_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29tYaJG) (https://flic.kr/p/29tYaJG)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Vikings1428 on August 30, 2018, 12:17:50 AM
Nice, love how you did the hair and the hands are awesome. good work!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on August 30, 2018, 11:46:14 AM
thanks!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on September 01, 2018, 04:09:02 AM
Great work practicing your rendering! It's getting better every time!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Miska on September 09, 2018, 10:29:49 AM
Looking at the first page, your art has improved a lot!
170GB references is just... great for well-organized person who knows how to keep them in order  ;D If i had that much, i know i would never find what i'm looking for because my references are a mess (i'm too lazy to sort them out by categories etc). 
Have you ever tried the pose/gesture drawing tool on quickposes? I really like it myself, and the galleries have a lot of great practice references.
I wish i had the motivation to practice and study even half as much as you do. Keep up the great work!  :D
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 25, 2018, 08:55:22 PM
@devola thanks! often my drawings dont make it to the final stage so I don't get to practice my renderings much but I'm hopefully getting over that hurdle.

@Miska thanks! well I've already cut it down to 125GB haha. yeah I have a sort of ordering system and an image tagging program I use 50-50 to organise it and it works so far, but still plenty to sort before it's properly usable haha

I have used quickposes it has been good, along with pose maniacs and all the other reference sites. http://senshistock.com/sketch/# has been good for action poses too if you want to take a look :P

well I'm back, heres a sneak preview of some of my sketches, 'scuse the photo quality :P

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^not to scale to each other otherwise thats a huge eraser :P

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I did a lot of grinding so there aren't too many actual finished sketches like the ones above, so don't anticipate too much :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on September 25, 2018, 10:14:30 PM
Good work. Getting the hang of 3/4 view
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 26, 2018, 04:30:02 AM
thanks! thats one of the things I worked on and I managed to get a nice set of guidelines that I can work with for the time being.

another sneak preview:
managed to churn out 107 pages, which was much below my plan of about 300, but well within my acceptable range, as I was actually on holiday with family, not at drawing camp :P

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1976/43112065710_1278cc9bf3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28FEB8L) (https://flic.kr/p/28FEB8L)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on September 26, 2018, 07:39:56 AM
Good Lord son that's still a little much for a family vacation! Good job!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 26, 2018, 12:22:56 PM
point taken :P
and thanks.

well it was slightly easier than I thought to scan my images as I forgot my printer had a scanner that is 3x faster than my normal old A4 scanner that I use, so it only took 15 minutes of flatbed scanning to get it all done. why didnt i use the document feeder and scan the whole lot in 4 minutes, you ask? well it trimmed 5mm off each edge which took off the date as it was so close to the edge and accurate recording is important to me. OCD at its finest :P

it was also a pain to get the images from imgur without going to each one and copying and pasting. I finally hacked the html with find and replace using notepad++ in a couple of minutes.

all are original sketches without reference, with the exception of the realistic portrait pages, and the skull page.
I hope to finish some of the good ones off in digital and colour.

SPOILER WARNING: hope your scroll wheel is durable :P

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I'm also crunching a long term to-do of sorting all my traditional into a proper portfolio (scanning thousands of A4s) and finishing all those drawings I said I would redo in digital :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on September 26, 2018, 05:53:03 PM
And this ladies and gentlebeings is exactly why we installed a spoiler tag.

Dat skull page tho. You could copy past it a few more times and sell it as wallpaper.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Holy apocalyptic crapatoa suuper. Beast mode! And all in pen and ink. The last page is my favourite in particular, but the stairs one and the side-view anime heads I fancy as well. All great stuff, really. And most of it from your own noggin? Hax!

And yes, there was scrolling. Lucky for me pressing the middle button lets me autoscroll the page.

And wait you have a document feeder scanner? SHARE! I'm stuck with flatbed hell and it gets tiring after some hours haha.

Glad to see you around suuper! FIGHTO!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 29, 2018, 04:10:48 AM
@coryn theres a thought :P

@lego thanks!! yeah since I didn't have access to any reference anyway I though it best to work out any problems with the basics, hands feet face and so on, making sure my guidelines are solid.

The document feeder is attached to my printer, as its a printer/photocopier combo. trouble is it clips the written date off the edge as its not a "pro" scanner, so I ended up using the flatbed anyway >_< I timed it and I can do about 400 pages an hour  which isnt so bad but your fingers lose their stick after a while of touching pages haha. I haven't tried using it for over an hour but I can imagine it would be tiring, especially as you can't just leave it, you have to constantly be doing stuff.

got inspired by one of the artists I follow on DA, https://www.deviantart.com/mattiasa, and did a page in "proper" ink. it's scary not being able to sketch at all!!

(https://i.imgur.com/i5b4kfY.jpg)

I'm going to start going through some art books soon, Loomis amongst others. A bunch of cartooning books and some Japanese how-to books as well, so see if I can find my style. I still think how-to books have limited value (some are more reference than teaching and ymmv on the quality), but I plan to find the value that they have.

edit:
halfway through rebooting my routine, got proper jet lag this time :P
have some hair gestures

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 30, 2018, 03:41:59 AM
Ah, that must be ligne claire right? With your exactness it's something that'd fit you quite well. Would love to see more of your stuff in 'real' ink (Though I dislike the implication... Don't you look down on ballpoint! *Glares*)

Hair gestures looking nice. And I hear you. Jet lag is destroying me at the moment. I feel like I'm in a dream haha...
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 30, 2018, 04:06:44 AM
aha I didn't know the style had a name. I should keep an eye on info like that I don't want to sound stupid later on :P
haha no I love ballpoint :P I'm not sure how I want to take the style as one of my "official" styles, but I plan to do more complex and detailed stuff for sure. hopefully it will help my creativity as well.

is there a more specific term than just "ink" to differentiate the types, or would that be "fineliner ink", "ballpoint ink" etc, naming the tool as well.

aha you too huh yeah nothing feels quite tangible when you're tired at the wrong time :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on September 30, 2018, 06:25:06 AM
I think fineliner ink works? I'm just being douchey. Also I only figured out that term because I thought: This guy draws like Herge of the Tintin fame. Googled it and yeaup there it was.

It's almost scary how many lucid dreams I'm having even man. Maybe real artists depend on sleep deprivation and jet lag.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on September 30, 2018, 01:17:48 PM
point taken :P
and thanks.

well it was slightly easier than I thought to scan my images as I forgot my printer had a scanner that is 3x faster than my normal old A4 scanner that I use, so it only took 15 minutes of flatbed scanning to get it all done. why didnt i use the document feeder and scan the whole lot in 4 minutes, you ask? well it trimmed 5mm off each edge which took off the date as it was so close to the edge and accurate recording is important to me. OCD at its finest :P

it was also a pain to get the images from imgur without going to each one and copying and pasting. I finally hacked the html with find and replace using notepad++ in a couple of minutes.

all are original sketches without reference, with the exception of the realistic portrait pages, and the skull page.
I hope to finish some of the good ones off in digital and colour.

SPOILER WARNING: hope your scroll wheel is durable :P

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I'm also crunching a long term to-do of sorting all my traditional into a proper portfolio (scanning thousands of A4s) and finishing all those drawings I said I would redo in digital :P

Jesus... the sheer workload here is incredible, this is over a period of time or recently? Seeing you practice individual parts is nice to see too, as opposed to just grouping them together.

Even I'm shocked with the sheer volume here, how do you feel recently - you feel it's benefited you in anyway? Understanding, confidence, speed etc?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on September 30, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
@lego well it can't hurt to be more specific. I haven't had a lucid dream for ages. I generally get them when I am getting more sleep than needed, along with a load of normal dreams. write those dreams down they'll come in handy for writers block!

@ovium yup this is my holiday stash, so 2 weeks away with my family which I just got back from. yeah I generally rotate my studies with about 2-4 pages on each thing, but often fall back to faces and general body which are both important and difficult :P
as for benefiting yes I did, in that I was able to wring out some bad guidelines habits of mine, for faces and hands and body, although I wanted to draw about 3x that - 300 pages (which I have done before so it wasn't impossible), so I feel I didn't get the most benefit that I could have had, but hey it was a family holiday and I had fun with my family so there you go :P

doing a lot of art all in one go helps to open a lot of thought channels in your head as you can focus completely on the one thing. kinda how moving to a country is the best way to learn a language because of immersion, art immersion can have benefits that are hard to get with a normal draw-for-an-hour-a-day kind of regimes. being a holiday, it helped me to relax as well so I wasn't stressing over my art or anything else.

edit: latest sketches

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 01, 2018, 07:18:57 PM
finished off a rubbishy WIP real quick. working on a more sketchier inking style. didn't really focus on fixing any of the problems with it tho :P

(https://i.imgur.com/Q86bQ1J.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 02, 2018, 06:09:15 AM
Nani!? I never thought you'd even consider something like sketchier. THat being said it seems you added more line variation rather than sketchiness. Man I really like her peaceful curious expression. You have VN or Webtoon potential in you super. I feel the wrinkles on her bust are odd? It's not a complaint but it gets to me a bit. Love the hair and shading. How long did it take to make?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 02, 2018, 07:58:35 AM
@lego It took 20 minutes for this particular one (plus maybe 4 for the original WIP sketch), partly the reason for the mistakes you mentioned. the bust lines bothered me at the time but I didn't know how to fix it so figured to not waste time and left it :P

I think line variation comes more naturally when I am being sketchy as I'm not focused on accuracy. I'm using up my 100's of old (and probably inaccurate) WIPs to practice inking and sketching style without the negative feeling that I'm producing an inaccurate piece from scratch. I try and correct a little but it's hard when you're trying to work faster obviously :P

heres what I worked with
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(https://i.imgur.com/quxjQeF.jpg)
actually it's amazing I made anything with it lol

this new idea of mine to work on sketches and finished pieces separately seems to be working well so far although it's only small beginnings, but I feel I can sketch a lot more freer as I am not aiming for an "amazingly brilliant finished piece", just a bunch of nice sketches. Then I pick the best ones and add to my WIP pile to finish whenever I feel like finishing one. even after it's finished, I might ut it back into WIPs for another round :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on October 05, 2018, 11:30:50 AM
Great stuff man! Faces is something I really need to work on.

Oh man, lucid dreaming. I love when it happens! Is probably one of the coolest experiences one can have I think. I actually have them relatively frequent. I read there was a like a machine that could help induce them, something like  a helmet that sends light to your brain. I have also notices I have some very vivid dreams when I fall asleep with the light on. It is quite extraordinary what the human brain can do (create an entire scenario in our head while you sleep). Makes you wonder if it is actually your brain that does it, or there is more behind it  ;)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 15, 2018, 05:35:40 PM
@walterB yeah there's always room to improve somewhere haha

yup lucid dreams are as mysterious as they come :P

well here's the results from my "Monday art day"
overall I did OK, would have done better if I got focused earlier but I'm pretty content with today's output

Copied Stuff
(https://i.imgur.com/LXJ7QmZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/W69WDQF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tdzgdWm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IdlqbGC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/15MazyE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/upF5qBC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wpxbMsC.jpg)

Original Stuff
(https://i.imgur.com/kR7k48C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jRJQqb8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/c8AkmKL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sIfqmxH.jpg)

and a finished WIP in my new style, which is just my old style, but faster :P
took 30 minutes which was nicely fast :P

(https://i.imgur.com/IzNcxCh.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 16, 2018, 01:22:07 AM
Man that's a heck of a lot of work. Looks great suuper! And you can churn out something that good in 30 minutes? Hax
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 16, 2018, 12:01:29 PM
thanks :)
partly the reason I can churn it out so fast is that I already have an "idea" for a drawing, as I used an older WIP. So, my brain doesn't have to wear itself out working on proportions and character design when it's all basically there. This is kind of what I meant when I previously said there was a great benefit to breaking up the initial design and final version. I plan to challenge how quickly (in terms of days after drawing the sketch) I can finish a WIP after having created it, although coming to it a month later is quite a fresh feeling. Also I wonder if I split it into a second WIP if I could achieve an even higher quality "naturally", but I'll worry about that later :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 21, 2018, 02:38:37 AM
Well it's been a slow week, in addition to being ill. I've been doing other life stuff :P

started using my android tablet for drawing again in the evenings when I don't feel like sitting up at my computer.

getting a little more confident and starting to finally push past a couple of walls in my head that I've had for years, which is awesome. Also working on colouring and shading which I hate, but starting to get a work flow so not as much hate as last time :P

despite the fact I didn't manage Inktober's the last few days I still did do drawing so It wasn't a complete washout

nothing special
(https://i.imgur.com/smitRHB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TSmZyUg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MCcTmJ9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fH8TJPt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tGwjt2m.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xsxo2yg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/F7Mb2qe.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on October 23, 2018, 09:51:57 AM
Well it's been a slow week, in addition to being ill. I've been doing other life stuff :P

started using my android tablet for drawing again in the evenings when I don't feel like sitting up at my computer.

getting a little more confident and starting to finally push past a couple of walls in my head that I've had for years, which is awesome. Also working on colouring and shading which I hate, but starting to get a work flow so not as much hate as last time :P

despite the fact I didn't manage Inktober's the last few days I still did do drawing so It wasn't a complete washout

nothing special
(https://i.imgur.com/smitRHB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TSmZyUg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MCcTmJ9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fH8TJPt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tGwjt2m.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xsxo2yg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/F7Mb2qe.jpg)

Yeah its sickness season now, haha. It's good to live a little too, rest up!
Good to see you're still practicing - what's the aim to make a small manga?
You're right you do churn out material fast - I think you could handle a one-shot pretty easy at this point, probably jus confidence now.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 23, 2018, 11:11:42 AM
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what's the aim to make a small manga?
Actually I found the drafts for chapter 2 of my overdrive manga. I lost it for nearly a year which was amazing considering my normally organised self but hey woohoo I might do that next. I'm working on improving my methods for drafting stories so I can keep a track of them - it seems a lot of world-builders/story-writers have this problem at some point.

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probably jus confidence now.
You're right there haha. I'm working on my confidence amongst other things. Actually, it's more that I'm over ambitious than under confident, I always move on to the plan for the next thing without executing any of them lol. I'm always serious when I produce a manga so I feel it has to be my best work, which I never feel up to producing :P I need to have a more balanced output rather than these huge rushes of stuff :/
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on October 23, 2018, 04:31:38 PM
You got any snippets of the overdrive work?? :o

haha I fully understand ya, sequential work can be daunting. You might need an accountability partner to get on you so you can set some concrete goals towards getting started again! ;) haha
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 24, 2018, 06:22:49 AM
since you asked so nicely
(https://i.imgur.com/JLIRqaQ.jpg)
check my signature for chapter 1 if you havent seen it already :)

I actually have a new workflow that I want to try out for making a manga which is different to what I normally do so I might reboot some old projects. A method that allows me to plan ahead and finalize other bits at the same time.

trouble is, you know you always have this "great story" that you're saving up until you get really good, well I try and make up throw away stories to practice on, but then I get serious about them as well and suddenly I'm saving that for when I get good as well haha.

I'm sort of a perfectionist, not really but it nags at me some of the time >_<
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on October 24, 2018, 07:49:44 AM
That's definitely a common pitfall Suuper. Never underestimate the power of drafts though. It's perfectly acceptable (even normal, shocker) to build up to a final product through multiple iterations. And chances are that if you wait your whole life to start on your Magnum opus, it'll be very different from how you first imagined it (or you'll die before even starting)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 24, 2018, 09:33:27 AM
thanks Coryn, yeah the iterations thing is something I'm finally managing to get the hang of. I'm trying to break down my big ideas into steps small enough that I don't mind taking, such as a flowchart for story ideas etc. Once I get the ball rolling it'll probably be not as bad as I imagine :P
"You can't improve what you haven't got" is something that I realized a while back. Obvious but still needs realizing all the same.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 27, 2018, 10:21:04 AM
well Inktober went....badly. I've pretty much given up now. Can't help being ill - I kinda lost my momentum a lot. At least my normal drawing habits are alrightish, but drawing in ink was a bit too far out of my comfort zone to pick up again straight away, especially as I'm still not 100%

heres my sketches from yesterday and today. no particular order thanks to the geniuses that designed Imgur.
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(https://i.imgur.com/6KFrBPS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/X8wysCX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bbIfM7G.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OCBKjWh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SmnL23L.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BBOY1Qz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nO7ykQZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QtLePvY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1qkkgp0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KphGfnA.jpg)

changed styles again for no reason and I don't even know what a style is.....
'scuse the tiny shoulders, I was done in by my old WIP and didn't realise :P
was watching anime at the time so I think it took a little over an hour, but I don't know how much of that was spent actually arting.

(https://i.imgur.com/IREHQ92.jpg)

Been watching a ton of anime the last few days. I'm not into it as much as I used to be, but it's great to multitask and be doubly productive.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 28, 2018, 05:50:02 PM
some more sketches. working on how subtle differences change the overall pose/face/angle etc. mostly looks the same as everything else I do lol

I'm starting to get to the point where I feel that I could maintain a consistent style, and suddenly I don't really know what style I want. I might at first try emulating some styles of artists that I like until I can make my own.

also got my request thread I need to get back to, I feel kinda bad about leaving it so long.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/GAkKBmF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dtle5Fl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eDC8S8N.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 28, 2018, 06:57:35 PM
It's pretty great how your facial proportions are staying put when you do this, and damn you really can churn out stuff on a page when you're practicing haha. Good stuff.

And I hear you on style man. I know I want to draw like Kubo, Kishimoto and Masamune Shirow but have no idea how that's supposed to look like in the end.

Either way, I am hungry to draw manga again. Or at least try lel.

Keep at it suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 29, 2018, 03:34:08 AM
thanks!
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no idea how that's supposed to look like in the end.
I think that's the hurdle I am hitting at the moment.

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It's pretty great how your facial proportions are staying put
I actually tried while on holiday to draw EXACTLY the same face again and again. it's amazing how little control I had over the lines I was drawing. Partly the reason why my work is always so similar is because I am working on fine tuning and trying to get that detail control and proportions in check.

Heres the page I meant. Although QUITE similar, each face had a distinct uniqueness to it that was somewhat frustrating when I was only trying to copy the first one I drew a few minutes earlier.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/UkuWFu9.jpg)

will probably try and churn out some fan art today maybe....
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2018, 06:39:02 AM
Hahaha man you're a brave creature of the night. Especially with the eyes! I always mess up one of those and never want to draw the same thing twice.

I've done something similar before: Trying to redraw the more sketchier works that I did in my gallery to see if I can rotate any of those characters in space and still make them look similar. Results were... Dissapointing lel.

Fan art? Dooo eeeet. You know you want to
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 29, 2018, 08:47:03 AM
I've been nearly getting the hang of drawing pairs of eyes that look symmetrical but it's taken ages of basic training and I still mess up almost every time haha

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Trying to redraw the more sketchier works that I did in my gallery to see if I can rotate any of those characters in space and still make them look similar.
I've done that a few times and was equally disappointed in the results :P

well here's a better Megumin than last time (actually it's almost exactly a year ago). had a bit of a bad morning start so I'm a few hours down from what I planned but so far, so good I guess. I didn't really know what I was doing so sort of rage quit after flat colouring so I dont think I'll shade it.

(https://i.imgur.com/5cT9WOE.jpg)

Here's the 1 year old one for comparison, ended up being a before and after meme by accident.
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/XNfsOUM.jpg)

EDIT: got depressed for no reason and didn't do any more drawing. kinda pathetic but not every day's gonna go my way. at least I got something done.

EDIT2: got so pointlessly depressed my emergency backup OCD personality kicked in and I managed to spew out some more pages while watching anime. such a carefree life :P

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/rLHYOk2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LR0VOnx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LaUSjQa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kiKQhNh.jpg)

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 30, 2018, 04:50:52 PM
here's a finished WIP. not my best work, but I can't say I don't like it :P
It was so fun doing the pattern on the shirt.
took just short of 2 hours, probably spent 15 minutes on the shirt :P

(https://i.imgur.com/vIaWfZO.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on October 30, 2018, 05:03:51 PM
Good gods, boy. I'm glad I use the PGDN key on this laptop. I can't imagine if I did have a scroll wheel if it would've survived all that grinding. All that in the time I've been gone? Jeez, you really do have a knack for just going at it. I guess the real test at this point would be to start drawing what you want to draw, and if you have an idea for a comic, I think we can confirm at this point that you have the willpower and dedication to stick with it and get it done.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on October 30, 2018, 05:41:29 PM
Suuper that looks really amazing man haha! Dammit you might just tempt me into working on stuff in colour dammit. Your style is really shaping up and I'm telling ya this is commission level stuff. Teach me! (Lel I know I always say that so I'll let this instance slide explicitly as a joke. Next time I'll be bringing questions though)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on October 31, 2018, 12:23:43 PM
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I guess the real test at this point would be to start drawing what you want to draw
Thats the whole problem haha
but thanks I will try my best!

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I'm telling ya this is commission level stuff
super thanks, it's really encouraging to be told that, but I'm surprisingly not very confident with my own work. probably my ambition is wayyy too high for my own good.

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Teach me!
I might actually make a tutorial, maybe for that pattern as it was kinda relaxing and easy and makes any costume look way better lol
You should totally do some coloured works. Even just flat colour or shaded looks great and can be good practice.

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Next time I'll be bringing questions though
Bring away, I'm more likely to give away information if you ask, otherwise I don't really know what I should talk about and just waffle like always :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 01, 2018, 05:28:44 PM
I too am being ridiculous and starting a 1000 stick figure regime. I'll count them later when I can be bothered, as I don't like to put a number on each one as it's annoying (might add one later instead)
I think this'll be exactly what I need to move forward.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ju91tBw.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 01, 2018, 08:30:52 PM
Being more dynamic and including less cutesy girls might help for sure. Copying from shounen fight manga can be good in that regard. Heyyy, I just gave myself an idea...
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 02, 2018, 09:00:41 AM
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less cutesy girls
Watch your language mahlua :P
but yeahhhhhh probably should draw guys at some point :P

Yeah, by ignoring proportions on the initial pose, I'm trying to make it more dynamic, then I can go back and fix the proportions once I have a cool pose. That's the plan at any rate.

I've got a nice collection of fight shots from manga that I have read over the years, time to put them to use.

EDIT: sorry did a cutesy girl :P
did a blink animation, and made the clothes separately so I can toggle them on and off.

(https://i.imgur.com/q0h1t8d.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/5WJomFq.gif)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 02, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
made the clothes separately so I can toggle them on and off.

That set up some pretty bizarre expectations that were not at all met when I scrolled down. :ohmy: :sure:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 02, 2018, 03:36:54 PM
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bizarre expectations
sorry for not meeting them :P Maybe next time on ecchi world.....
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 02, 2018, 07:38:46 PM
We'll hold you to this promise.

Dammit suuper why are you always up to something awesome. She is kawaiiii. Can I kidnap?

How many frames for the animation? What software did you use? Also your productivity is bosslike.

LOVE your stickfigures!!! Doo eeeet. Looking forward to the pile of papers you collect with that.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 02, 2018, 08:45:06 PM
@lego it's more that I'm just jumping around ideas and cant stick to anything :P
I guess kidnap is ok?
animation is just two frames, made in good old GIMP. you can set the frame duration and everything's done for you.
yup gonna pile up a lot of paper, although a bunch will be digital just for convenience.

trying out a different sketch style to use up my WIPs. Since sorting out everything, I've managed to collect at least 1000 unfinished sketches, and so it's a good chance to try out different styles and the like to use them up.

I'm picking up some bad proportions again. oh well :P

(https://i.imgur.com/YLcKWSq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/P3swnwH.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 02, 2018, 09:09:07 PM
Damn 1000 unfinished sketches? You've been busy.

Bad proportions? Where?

Your hair colouring man... How long does that take.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 03, 2018, 08:45:12 AM
Yeah well for every page of sketch I produce, at least one is worth finishing, so it stacks up. Only now that I have sorted them out can I actually start to finish them so it's way more than I should have :P

specifically I can't seem to get the face symetrical, especially the eyes and jawline. I often dont notice until after colouring or inking how unsymmetrical it looks.

each of those drawings I did in 30 minutes, so the hair probably took about 10 minutes each. it's a surprisingly simple and crude method that I came up with a couple of years ago, but only with my experience in shading and colouring can I actually pull it off alrightish :P half the issue with shading hair is having a lineart that is workable.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Manimal on November 03, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
I think Mahlua's suggestion is valid, you are quite good at drawing in this style and the improvement really shows in the Megumin picture! You do the clothes and colours well but I think you'd do good trying some new designs as well!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 03, 2018, 10:15:14 AM
@manimal thanks! Yeah I struggle with coming up with anything original or interesting so I often fall back on drawing the same sort of thing all the time. After my 1000 stick figures I might be a bit better, as often a good pose will give me ideas for the character, rather than the other way round.
Fan art is a good backup plan as I can practice drawing details without having to tax my brain to come up with them :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 03, 2018, 03:11:13 PM
Fanart is always a good back-up plan. 8)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 05, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
yup :P

did some figures, still behind Lego though haha. 119 so far. I'm so used to working on slightly larger than A4 digitally so I can't shrink them down like I used to :P

My internet is being a pain so I could only manage to upload one page though lol. I'm marking each page with the count instead of each individual one, as I feel I will mess that up spectacularly :P

(https://i.imgur.com/WRBpuSn.jpg)



Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 05, 2018, 12:57:00 PM
Internet can be a son of a gun.

I should probably stop counting each and every one as well. Just leave the number on a corner too haha. Seems cleaner that way.

These figures with lot's of joints work all the better when constructing them. There's a pretty legit How to Draw Anime book out there that uses these figures, and they turn out pretty well. I need to dig it up again.

Are you going to do your watch studies any time soon?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 05, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
Yeah I was uploading something else large at the same time and that normally ruins my internet experience :P
probably won't be doing any watches soon I think.
actually I'm not sure at all what I'm doing things have been so hectic with me being ill and then doing coding :P

here's the rest :)

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/mMRNKiB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mpDTL6j.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MAEfVMR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DBksF7J.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kQwetVy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2VfTMiT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0v8Wby9.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 05, 2018, 04:17:37 PM
You juggling all of this even while sick is impossibru. That's mangaka level dedication. Really liking the figures, theyre exponentially get better. Second to last is my favourite batch, but all of them have a really nice 'feel' to them rather than just random twisting of limbs and the like. I can imagine faces being added there. Nice back-of-head views as well!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 05, 2018, 04:34:26 PM
thanks :)
It's nothing severe just coughing all over the place lol
I can't say if the page order was the order I drew them in or not (thanks to Imgur), but I tried alternating between ballpoint and fineliner and found there was almost no difference in feel, but the fineliner felt slightly more definite, I suppose, because it is.
Yeah random twisting of the limbs was what I fell back to on quite a few of the pages lol
I did start to get a feel for what felt balanced after a while, especially on the knees and elbows. I bend them way too much normally, or have them too straight to feel natural.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 05, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
Yeah, I was going to say that there are a lot of sharp, straight lines going on. Sometimes it looks good to do that, but it can be limiting. One of the things that got me in figure drawing was to not just look at it as "where" things go, but also "how" they go. Direction, movement, and weight can be implied even in stick figures with impossibly small, subtle curves. Stick figures are crazy, man.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 05, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
yeah it's that subtleness that I'm starting to notice. normally to me, an arm is just straight or bent, but you've got almost-straight and stuff that totally give the figure a different feel with very minimal changes.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 05, 2018, 06:07:58 PM
Well, because of bones, muscles, and depth, limbs are never really "straight", are they?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on November 06, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
It's all about the curves. But they look good and solid now
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 07, 2018, 07:17:14 AM
@mahlua yeah I sort of forgot about actual bone/body shape etc when drawing guidelines and just figured that I can simplify now and fix it later. turns out that's only half right, if you simplify too much it's almost impossible to fix @_@

@keanfox yeah curves can be very complex shapes and you think you've got it but then you realise that there's an extra curve inside the curve and its all egg shaped and all hell breaks loose :P

I'm sort of burning out, maybe because of losing my routine from my cold that I caught, so I'm taking a micro break from MR to rebalance myself. Probably no more than two weeks, and I'll probably still be posting here and here. But limiting myself more. I've sort of lost sight of my goals temporarily and so my art is coming out really bad.

hows this for quality degradation left to right. I admit I was tired but I haven't seen one of these pages for a while.
(https://i.imgur.com/faYXCDl.jpg)


Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 07, 2018, 07:41:29 AM
Nuuuuuu Suuper!

Burn out or not... *inhales*

 NEKOMIMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII


It's strange how I feel I've seen that scribble pattern before for when I've been feeling out of it. I've also hit a slump of sorts but hope to power through it today. I cleaned my room and that helped a tiny little bit. Hint hint? I imagine your room is super clean though.

Either way rest up and take care of yourself. Till next time-ish (Not that I'm holding you to exactly 2 weeks. Feel free to drop something if you manage to pull out of it.)


How goes your booklet so far?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 07, 2018, 08:21:58 AM
I'm on V2 of the booklet but it's hopelessly empty/gappy. Almost everything is placeholders and I've written tons of notes in it for the next version. Mostly it's text ideas at the moment but it's surprisingly useful nonetheless.
like I split up poses into standing,sitting,lying,action,fighting, and then I try and put sub groups and stuff. Same with hair, expressions, clothes, and stuff. It's a useful reminder so I don't become too one-track minded. It's great for when my brain is empty of inspiration (and when completed will be more reliably useful). I might post it on the next version.

I too love nekomini. watching Dog Days at the moment and inumini is also acceptable.

my room is "normally" clean and tidy, but when I'm out of it, I'm OUT of it. so maybe a tidy is in order :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 09, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
I feel you on the cold man. I just got over a sore throat and still have some congestion problems. Seems to be going around. I'll probably be good to go in a couple more days though.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 09, 2018, 05:22:48 PM
I've got my energy back but I still start coughing non-stop the moment I go outside in the cold air :/
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 11, 2018, 06:30:00 AM
Did some stick figures and other sketches but can't be bothered to post them :P
Did a mach 1 sketch to see if a different style worked for me. other than the face and hands, which require a little more effort, I think it's a cool sketchy style.
took 30 minutes.

(https://i.imgur.com/amYBVc0.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 11, 2018, 05:12:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Wb6tVbT.jpg)

been doing a lot of these, not sure whether to count towards the 1000 stick figures or not, but these seem to be helping me more than the stick figures are so maybe 1000 stick figures was what I was actually needing?
hmmmmmm......
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 11, 2018, 05:20:00 PM
Oh these are pretty dope

and your definition of sketchy is still miles above mine. I like the colours and your fabrics are always really great. I really wish I could design costumes like that. Good stuff!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 11, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
thanks :)
well I did a couple of iterations over the top to reduce the sketchyness but kept my speed high overall.
I've always wanted to have more freedom with my costumes, I think like everything it comes with practice.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on November 11, 2018, 06:00:26 PM
That sketchy style looks quite nice : )

Also like how the figures have a kind of natural feel to them in the curves.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 12, 2018, 03:00:21 AM
thanks :)
glad the figures look good as they're totally off the top of my head. I think at the time I was "experimenting" with poses rather than just drawing standard poses, and that thought loosened up my in inhibitions on angles and stuff.

talking of which here's the rest of the figures I've been doing lately. I'll add them to my 1000 figure count since I'm not doing stick figures anymore.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/Wb6tVbT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BYZ1oAJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VvN9Z6i.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Nf6h8z2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NzpNauB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/skc419k.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nlGDwlt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Wapu3pw.jpg)

hoping for a good art day all day today. let's see what can upset my plans today.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 12, 2018, 03:09:37 PM
well I had neither a good nor bad day. spent a bit too much time doing figures and wore myself out. looking back several years ago, I struggled to think of poses when drawing figures from the top of my head, but it seems now that I try it now, I don't really run out of poses and keep in the flow. although the quality of the poses might not be top notch, at least the quantity and variety is higher. also managed to use different angles and difficult poses as well.

I think the poses are pretty ok proportion-wise as well. would have loved to turn most of these into actual illustrations. I suppose that's where the balance is :P
no idea what my figure count is at now.....282/1000 figures so far

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(https://i.imgur.com/5WC94dI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Cj1e0Dj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gK7tQHn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3qRvuG7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/f6aPVKJ.jpg)

Quote
would have loved to turn most of these into actual illustrations
1 hour later.....manged to turn two poses into illustrations.
I'm not so amazingly keen on drawing Megumin compared to other characters, it's just I know the costume and character and I don't know anyone else off the top of my head. that being the case I modified the outfit anyway. (also first time quoting myself in the same post)

(https://i.imgur.com/pNaqwew.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1hIOWfG.jpg)

ALSO in suuper's news: My eyes have been opened to LINEART, the magical art form that takes immensely less time than coloured pieces. I feel I can achieve more without the pressure of colouring or shading. Then I can split my practice down to grind each skill in turn. How I never noticed this before and always felt a piece had to be coloured and shaded is a mystery XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 12, 2018, 08:56:37 PM
Glad to hear about your discovery there. I personally find coloring to be so soothing, even if it takes me forever and then I don't want to start anything...but that's also why I tend to do comics in pen and ink only (traditionally speaking). Saves loads of time. And money. Good colored pencils and markers be expensive.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on November 12, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
I like the lineart with the books. I enjoy coloring. Filling in the linear with base colors Is the less fun part.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Manimal on November 13, 2018, 08:34:08 AM
Suuper sketches, all the forms look really great. I would suggest spending some time on facial proportions as well. Not to diss what you do, I know you like this style and you make it works well man but on the realistic body forms I feel a more...um, realistic-ish face would work. The Megumins just made me think that.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 11:11:47 AM
@Mahlua yeah I also enjoy colouring, but I don't do art to relax lol so I'm willing to forgo it while I'm improving haha
yup never spend money is my motto :P

@keanfox thanks! Halfway through the sketch I suddenly wondered what she was leaning on, and books are my go-to space filler, but I tried to make them a bit more tome-y than normal.

@Manimal thanks. yeah I've actually had face proportions nagging at me for a while now. It'll probably be the next thing I crack down on. hmmmm more realistic...
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/dD2a5oS.jpg)
so more like the top one than the bottom one? I'd love a reference if you had anything specific in mind as my style is constantly changing one way or the other. fanart will probably lean towards the original pieces art style, though.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 13, 2018, 12:55:35 PM
I'm thinking somewhere in between. You do have that big-eyes-little-nose-little-mouth look from like, 90s to early 2000s anime. It's not a bad style. Sometimes it just lends itself to derpiness is all.

(https://hypixel.net/proxy/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWd1ci5jb20vTjI4MnZpOC5wbmc%3D/image.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 02:23:07 PM
ahh, the 00s. good times XD
yeah I do like the large eyes chibi/cute style a lot although I'm not attached to it to the downing of other styles. I def don't want the derpy look :P
At some point I want to be able to do the old 80s and 90s anime manga style like fist of the north star, Inuyasha and so on. probably more for fan art than anything else.
I'll make an effort to be more realistic for a while and see how that affects my style :)

my to do list is basically as follows:
-finish 1000 figure sketches
-faces/expressions (1000 sketches?)
-learn male body at last (1000 sketches?)
all the while trying to figure out what inking style suits me :P
(I'm starting to become Lego with the 1000 sketches routines XD)

I see myself going full realistic portait level skill and then going off the rails and doing chibi for the rest of my life :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Gabryel on November 13, 2018, 02:58:59 PM
That's some impressive goals there and I absolutely approve of it. Trying for realistic for a while helps a lot to improve and develop your own style without it being too influenced by others. I think it's nice to get inspiration, but for something individual? best approach. And Your pose sketches are really good too! Looking forward to see the next few (hundreds)  :clapping:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
@Gabryel thanks! Yeah I think it's nice to be original, even if your style ends up similar to someone elses, if you got there on your own then it's still original :P

heres my latest sketches. not as good as yesterdays but okish. it's highlighting a lot of issues in my proportions and stuff, especially feet, which I can't even block sketch without mistakes lol

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/u4CH1FU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xF3Xg28.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 04:34:53 PM
Really nice one nailing the sitting and kneeling ones, the weight seems natural and the body is working with the pose quite well. Some potentially nose-bleedy figures in there for sure. This is definitely working out for you methinks. Like the circles that help rough out the major shapes. Makes for a visually interesting look.

And lel mistakes exist forever... At least proportion-sama treats you well. It kicks my ass all the time.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 04:53:52 PM
I only noticed some poses were nosebleedy after drawing them since I had my brain in "random pose" mode lol. Yeah I typically draw 3 circles for ribcage, stomach (=pivot) and hips. if I'm feeling pro I'll actually draw it more skeletal like which helps when fleshing out.

nah proportions are really hard. I'm just drawing by feel which means I have no idea what I am doing. if I try and think about it, it'll end up generic and boring :P
having said that I sort of randomly combine parts of generic poses randomly. I guess that's what any pose is if you break it down far enough. might be on to something there...
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 04:59:26 PM
Haha as mathematical as proportions are, it's really important to feel out a pose rather than imagine it and construct it rigidly in your head. In the end, as you said the human body is squishy, so yeah a sitting pose is a sitting pose but not exactly the same as one would be on a bar stool in comparision to being in an arm chair. If you think about it complicated it'll stress you out, but if you naturally say 'ah, the chest will be lying back sorta, hands will be here for balance/pose, legs will be so for extra kawaii' and then you be careful and you have a good pose with good structure.

Also yes hips. Hips don't lie.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 05:05:55 PM
Quote
ah, the chest will be lying back sorta, hands will be here for balance/pose, legs will be so for extra kawaii
that's pretty much how it goes lol especially with the "sorta". you basically quoted my head there XD
also some poses EVEN IN REAL LIFE look wrong, or not very kawaii, like feet dont always look nice and cute, so to some extent you have to make up the proportions to suit the pose and angle so it LOOKS right, even if you KNOW it's actually wrong.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 05:09:59 PM
"The willful sacrifice of accuracy... For the sake of kawaii"
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 13, 2018, 05:57:07 PM
"The willful sacrifice of accuracy... For the sake of kawaii"
That sounds like another regimen for y'all to try over at the other place. 1,000 SUPER LEWD OR SUPER CUTE FIGURES. NO IN BETWEEN.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 06:09:23 PM
@lego thats totally going in my motivational quotes list XD
In response to your previous post which I forgot to say: thats very true avout the different types of seats. Often experience is the key to feeling your way around a piece, and probably why studies and figure drawing is so important to keep filling that knowledge up. Body language is a scary thing as well, showing the mood of the person by their pose is proper next level.

@Mahlua I'd totally go for 1000 cute figures :P
Although I have no control over the pose that I'm drawing so I wouldnt be able to guarantee anything lol
If I go back over my sketches and add underwear does that make them lewd? Haha
That being said it would be great practice to oversketch clothes on the figures. Well I aldready did that with the two Megumin sketches, but oversketching them all would be fantastic. Youve got me intrigued Mahlua :P

At the moment I'm only drawing the figures from my head, but I'm thinking the x1000 regimes could have a little more structure, taking figures as an example, you do like 250 sketches and then study feet (or something youve noticed that youre weak in related to the main study point), 250 more and study heads, etc. Then 250 study sketches, then another 250 from your head. That way youre balancing the main study element with its supporting elements.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 06:29:47 PM
Heck, I'm stealing that line from myself.

Quote
At the moment I'm only drawing the figures from my head, but I'm thinking the x1000 regimes could have a little more structure, taking figures as an example, you do like 250 sketches and then study feet (or something youve noticed that youre weak in related to the main study point), 250 more and study heads, etc. Then 250 study sketches, then another 250 from your head. That way youre balancing the main study element with its supporting elements.

suuper-san, that's quite an interesting methodology you've thought up there: I could even get away with my regular drawing life by dividing a 'study' into drawing and finishing projects ALONG WITH studying and improving upon defeciencies... *Strokes non-existent beard* hmmmmmmmmm.


Also@ Mahlua Challenge accepted. But they'll be figures only. Also I may or may not have to google suspicious websites for reference. Also this is not happening on MR. But what the hell echwo deserves some love.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 06:57:20 PM
That sounds like a decent strategy.... *scratches 1-day srubble meanacingly*

Really its just another way of looking at it but since we first discussed it ive always had the memory problem nagging at me, where your skills in one area drop while you study the next thing. So a "top up" is in order during other regimes. Really i think spending a lot of time on everything all at once so you dont forget it is basically the solution (and also the problem if you dont have the time)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 16, 2018, 04:42:36 PM
a few more figures. was a bit slow today but got stuff done. been sketching with a thinner brush to get used to inking with a thinner brush.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/9jWAbte.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5sVUYNn.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
*nose itches* Must... Resist... So... Ecchi looking.

First pic has my favourite figures methinks. Good forms there suuper. I haven't even gotten one figure down yet so on this front you're winning. 1,000 more figures, coming up! FOR ECCHI.

Seriously though dude your output overall is really impressive stuff. Respect.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on November 16, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
Resist what exactly?! Calm yourself Lego. I don't think you want a girl who's back can bend like that. Spines aren't supposed to do that.  :o
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2018, 09:55:58 PM
Oh yes. Oh yes I do.

*Posts link*

*Link vanishes because nsfw*

*Posts link in Ecchi World*

*Advertises Ecchi World*

*Feels Proud*

*Has decreased social standing*

*Feelsbadman*

*TotallyWorthIt.exe*

*Feelsokman*

*Feelsconflictedman*
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on November 17, 2018, 12:03:17 AM
@Coryn It's not that extreme. Some people can bend like that I think. Don't have to be realistic, just need to be appealing

About line thickness. In clip studio, you can use vector layer for lineart and adjust the line thickness afterword. I should be using that more often.
For the torso twist and bend think of the bean. You doing good. I'm just throwing stuff.
Spoiler
(https://charoigne.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/hockley-20171010-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 17, 2018, 06:53:43 AM
@lego thanks. can't wait to see those figures :P

@coryn I was trying to go for an extreme pose so I can see why you would think that. I think while not everyone could pull it off, its probably not impossible.

@keanfox thanks for that bean thing. I do occasionally try and think that way for more difficult poses. the line thickness/tapering was a new thought though. I draw in GIMP but it isn't vector. it does have paths, but that's more point and click, not sketch. really I'm trying to push past the line ordeal and just paint it in, but for now the lines give it a bit more form.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on November 17, 2018, 09:55:39 AM
I'm sure it's not impossible my dudes, but the spine does not have any joints in it, and she definitely looks like she has a joint somewhere in her lumbars. I'm all for artistic impression, but I look at her and my first instinct is she has a broken back.

But I digress. I'm not here to get pedantic about a stick figure. Of anything I'm just suggesting the bend should be lower, more towards her hips than the waist.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on November 17, 2018, 09:58:49 AM
Those are some great poses Suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 17, 2018, 05:42:30 PM
@coryn I'll try my best to keep the poses on the possible side of reality :P

@WalterB thanks!

latest poses. I tried drawing the pose from the body to the head, rather than always starting at the head, and surprisingly I found myself able to go for a higher range of poses somehow. my foreshortening also got a lot better, or rather I was able to do more poses with foreshortening in them. I think when drawing the head first it throws off my scale of the body, so it's actually better to start from the body. I did try that before and it didn't work out so well, so maybe I just didn't try it enough.
397/1000
after all these poses are done I think I'll go through them and turn 100 or so into Megumin sketches lol. might try and add a couple more favourite characters to my memory shortlist actually.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/YPEXVnI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mu3wX7v.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sLBWMuQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HRVWWYo.jpg)

did some feet too, although copies
(https://i.imgur.com/OzLzm8S.jpg)

anywho here's what doing the VN looks like. was planning to animate me multitasking and drawing as well but I spent an hour getting this far so called it a day. next time I'll skip the colour and shade and do the animation first XD

(https://i.imgur.com/gGruTVF.gif)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on November 17, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
Haha! Looks great Suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on November 17, 2018, 10:04:41 PM
Animations are awesome! Props!!!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 18, 2018, 04:34:01 AM
thanks guys!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 18, 2018, 07:55:49 AM
Dude this is amazing haha!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on November 18, 2018, 04:25:51 PM
"run hack.exe gamers I'm in"

lmao sorry haha, great work on the animation Suuper, maybe you can help me with some sprite animations I'm working on!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 18, 2018, 05:13:06 PM
@devola haha
Well I certainly don't mind giving help but I'm pretty much a beginner myself haha

latest sketches 466/1000. going through different moods and levels of productivity. starting to hit a new level of unlocking some sort of hint about life, or art, or something, maybe.
I think figure poses look more ecchi because they have no context so it's just naked poses, right?

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/eUtdZWF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MtSYiOb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pZs0ZDF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NNkmeVZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/M8McU68.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on November 18, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
Aaa.... I just like looking at the different poses. The variety of positions is amazing. Neat work! :)

It doesn't look too ecchi to me... but I'm no ecchi expert lol. Maybe if you put more details like... a face ;) (Don't take me seriously :ohmy: )
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 19, 2018, 02:16:47 AM
thanks. I'm surprised myself at the range I've produced so far, although I'm sure I've doubled up on some.
To keep myself inspired for pose ideas, I try and think of a major group "standing, kneeling, sitting", and then try and introduce more information like "what are they sitting on, how are they feeling, are they moving", and that usually will make me think of something :P
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It doesn't look too ecchi to me
Good!
I think it's just the potential of an unfinished drawing to be anything, that can lead to that conclusion.

aha! and thanks for being the 1000th poster in my topic :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 19, 2018, 07:13:48 AM
lunchtime break of an OK art day so far. still trying to pick up speed while multitasking anime. Might not watch as much in the afternoon and see if that's actually the reason I'm going slow.
+143 figures=609/1000
it's amazing I'm not running out of poses (some look awfully similar though lol) but it's taxing on my brain all the same.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/5cTmRLV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4on5gf2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aNkQQF1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WP7pi6Q.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jU99bm3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/o8Ez2MV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dE8xn7R.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dgelx9p.jpg)

EDIT: did another 85 in a little over an hour with just music in a comfortable position to see if I could churn faster still.
I nearly doubled my output speed, although I was putting more effort into speed as well. I think it depends on the anime I'm watching as to how much I get distracted. Have to try the next set with maximum effort with anime and see the difference. traditional v digital might have made a difference as well, as I was drawing smaller traditionally than digitally. also quality was a bit lower traditionally as well, but that might be because I was trying to draw faster. so many things to balance!
694/1000

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/ECgH82U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7bc3XPJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QAfvCWX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HPdysnO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/b8j1bCL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/y1wdc30.jpg)

EDIT 2:another 57 in just under an hour with anime. looks like if I'm serious then the output is similar but definitely less, as expected. I can't seem to get 60 figures an hour without going mad with the focus and speed.

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(https://i.imgur.com/0NzEkKl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cEWsCGV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vRIfCSU.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on November 19, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
Such an awesome output man. Drawing while listening to music is a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 19, 2018, 01:57:43 PM
it totally is, and I usually do that all the time (in fact I hardly ever draw without music), although lately I've been missing my anime fix and getting behind in my watching so I'm trying to multitask. It lowers my output but overall its more productive than doing them separately. As long as I can keep my focus 80-20 art-anime I can deal with it somehow :P

on my 4th coffee gonna see if I cant get up to 850 figures or higher before bed.

EDIT: looks like I've hit my current human limit. got up to 803/1000

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/9lfuVno.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/W5UlWlg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0a3O2No.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on November 19, 2018, 05:06:25 PM
I find it impossible to draw without music as well, though I'm impressed you're able to watch anime and draw, if I can't focus on the anime it just ends up being noise to me. Recently I've found that running podcasts while drawing works quite well too!

The amount of output you have is impressive as always, keep up the hard work man. How often do you do illustrations in between these sketches? Is it something like for every 1000 pose sketches you do 1 illustration?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 19, 2018, 05:19:22 PM
It helps that I understand Japanese, otherwise I would probably be glued to the subtitles haha. I can't say my focus is great for either, but I seem to manage just about being productive. I watched 18 episodes of various anime while drawing todays stuff, so I think that counts as productive :)

In my normal output, it's about 1 Illustration for 100 sketches, or 5-10 pages of sketches, although I was trying to increase the finished piece rate. But I've caught Lego's 1000x regime-itus so I'm just doing sketches at the moment. It certainly does help although I'm starting to feel a little despair with not producing any "real" output. I do feel as if I am improving so long term its for the good I guess :P

so far the 800 sketches have used up 55 pages, so a finished piece is well overdue. I was planning on using some of the poses in finished pieces, but we'll see how I feel by the end. I seem to be generating 100 WIPs for every finished piece XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Ryan on November 21, 2018, 03:24:31 AM
Your output is monstrous haha. It's been a while that I've shot for sheer output, but it's inspiring me to want to do it. What's your thinking behind it?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 21, 2018, 09:00:44 AM
haha yeah thanks
Well basically I'm pushing my limits in an individual area, or just in general. The "1000 sketches of....." was Lego's idea and I just got swept up in it, it looked like it was working for him :P by generating so many different ideas at one time, I'm realizing my lack of creativity when doing an individual illustration previously. Also I realized that there is more than one way to do things, like the order I draw my guidelines, or how I come up with an idea. So I'm hoping I can be a bit more creative and push myself out of my comfort zone.
I totally recommend you try it, it's not an impossible amount, but it's totally a difficult amount and it gets you thinking and learning by the repetition and the exposure I think. Hopefully what I learn sticks.

Edit with todays lot. nearly finished now. I can totally relate to Lego's comment about just wanting to get it over and done with :P
893/1000

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 22, 2018, 12:31:07 PM
910/1000. starting to loop on ideas and stuff.

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 22, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
You completed a presposterous amount of figures in a single day, suuper, and I wish I could understand Japanese. I'd catch up on so much anime that way. And the fact that these are all full bodied figures is all the more impressive. Jealous as hell at them too, they look really good.

And lel reaching that point where you just want it over with is the win point that is hard to reach out of stupid numbers like 1,000. When I reach that point I realize that I don't care about what I'm training anymore, which means I'm not even stressing out about it anymore which is a complete win in my book. I used to always feel a twinge in my chest when trying to draw a hand or stick figure or cube but nope doesn't happen anymore.

I wish I could say the same for several other things though.

Here's to you hitting the finish line soon! See, you've also got it done within the month. Props suuper!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 23, 2018, 04:50:44 AM
yeah you totally start to loosen up due to not caring :P
and even afterwards you've managed to keep up that fearlessness? cool, hopefully that's the same with me :)
hopefully I'll finish today, only about 6 pages left.

I learnt to understand a lot of Japanese from watching anime, when I was watching 8-10 episodes a day during my college years. So probably I hit a low level of immersion to pick up phrases and words, which then helped to pick out more phrases and words. Wikipedia also helped a lot with grammar.

yeah next I'm thinking I'd like to do facial expressions, but I'm thinking I probably want to have the head shape down first, but drawing 1000 heads seems needlessly boring, so I might do 1000 faces with or without hair. after a few pages I sort of settle into a rhythm for each page so if I start randomly it'll work itself out.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on November 23, 2018, 05:08:18 AM
Maybe it might be worth combining head shapes/angles and expressions? You'd probably have to reduce it to 100 instead of a 1000 though, at least I would. I absolutely love practicing expressions but I usually put quite a lot of time into each one that I do since I like to establish things like context to help flesh out the expressions. That's just for me though I often lose focus if I try to do more than like 5 drawings a day haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 23, 2018, 05:19:53 AM
100 is what I practically do normally in my sketch pages haha. the 1000 is a good high limit methinks. and considering a whole figure loosely sketched is probably the same as a slightly detailed head, I think it's about the same level. I lose focus quite easily so this is training my focus muscles too. good idea about combining the whole lot, that sort of slipped my mind. I've always got producing a manga as a goal in my head, so having a high output is a must really, regardless of how I'm feeling.

EDIT: finished yay. 1003 total. mixed stick figures and fleshed figures due to being confused :P

heres the final lot
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and heres the whole lot for you hardcore scrollers out there.

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As for what I learned:
-Coming up with different poses was not as difficult as I had thought it was for ages. Hopefully I can keep being this creative. probably put in the situation of having to come up with so many poses enabled me to push past that limit.
-I don't know proportions. but that doesn't stop you from coming up with poses, in fact, its probably good for improving your proportions because you are working form lots of angles.
-Pushing a skill to the point where you are fed up of it puts your brain into efficiency mode to try and finish as quickly as possible, so you start to streamline your process.
-trying to produce a large range as possible means you push your creativity and come up with stuff that you might not usually if you were only doing say 10 poses.
-I went though different stanges and moods, in which I used different sketching techniques and guideline styles. they all produces different styles of drawings, so it's good to have more than one way to draw something.
-although it started as stick figures, I realized what I needed and changed my challenge. I don't really think that's cheating although I would really like to not do it all the time, otherwise it sort of isn't a challenge.
-I should had added more props and stuff, rather than just the poses, to get the feel for it more. although I had stuff in mind like swords and guns I didnt draw them in. So although I was only studying the poses, giving a bit more context and going off tangent every now and then wouldn't be so bad.
-I'm definitely drawing from the body first and head after from now on, have to practice attaching it to the shoulders properly, which I found rather difficult due to not being used to it.

on to 1000 heads/expressions lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on November 23, 2018, 10:41:37 AM
Great job Suuper! You guys will your numbered sketches, I swear, that's some commitment!

@Lego: Picking up some Japanese is definitely part of the magic of subs. Every once in a while I'll wander away from the TV while a show in on, and then not realize I can't understand what they're saying until a couple of lines later. I'm not good with actual sentences, but it's definitely helped me pick up a lot of the more common expressions. (Tabune...)

I'm surprised you haven't given it more of a shot yourself Lego, given that you already speak a handful of languages, I'd think your brain would be better suited to picking it up than a plebe like me who only knows English really.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 24, 2018, 04:20:21 AM
haha well it seems to help the skill a bit :)
yeah the word order makes it inherently hard to deal with whole sentences, but yeah Lego give it a shot! You already know a whole bunch of words which is the first step :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 24, 2018, 08:07:21 AM
I had a japanese scrap-paper to record some phrases and it was working out well when i was paying attention so it'd be fun I guess. And it'd help bridge this god-awful backlog I've managed to find myself in.

That being said: Congrats suuper! Gotta say even though you say you can't proportion quite yet the uniformity and wholeness of each of your figures is truly great. I think your method may be better than mine of making all sorts of figures because you have a safe base from which you can exagerrate from easier. I'll be interested to see how drawing crowds turns out for us later down the line when we do manga.

And gotta love scrolling. I'm sure you already experience this a bit with how well you catalogue your drawing efforts: But there's something therapeautic about that pile of papers of 1,000-somethings that make you feel a tiny bit of pride even on a bad day. You can say to yourself 'whatever ish is going down in my life, at least I know I can put effort into something of my own volition.' Doesn't make you smile, exactly, but it's something.

And yes, yes, yes on all your remarks.
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-Pushing a skill to the point where you are fed up of it puts your brain into efficiency mode to try and finish as quickly as possible, so you start to streamline your process.

This is a painful one, but true. You get mind-numbingly bored of it all and just want to get it over with as we both noticed. Helps in making you 'cheat' to get faster.

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-trying to produce a large range as possible means you push your creativity and come up with stuff that you might not usually if you were only doing say 10 poses.

Also a painful one. I've done a lot of 'Draw 5 of this' workshops and they are fun, but they fade away too quickly for memory. I think they're more useful as teasers for possible things to work on in your art, or for people who are already drawing regularly and just want to switch up their routine a little. For someone like me who rarely does anything I need regimens to learn at all.

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-I went though different stanges and moods, in which I used different sketching techniques and guideline styles. they all produces different styles of drawings, so it's good to have more than one way to draw something.

Yeaup. Esp. on the mood bit. You'd think it'd either always be a zen-like thing with neatly spaced out and exact emotional states but it can be pretty interestnig how different the days are and how your pen flows.


Congrats again, suuper. And I'm looking forward to the expressions for sure. My characters need more of those haha. Also props are super important.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 24, 2018, 08:42:29 AM
thanks, yeah it is quite satisfying. I did 14/68 pages on paper, would have liked to do a bit more traditional but I'll work on that. also my files on my computer were very nicely similar.
Normally my files on my PC look like this:
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During the challenge it was like this
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Helps in making you 'cheat' to get faster.
If necessity is the mother of all invention, laziness is the father. It totally feels like cheating somehow. perhaps this IS one of the shortcuts to better art - bettering one skill to the max before everything else......
sort of like learning a ton of vocabulary before learning the grammar to a language......

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I've done a lot of 'Draw 5 of this' workshops and they are fun, but they fade away too quickly for memory.
Yeah I totally agree on this. while I haven't done many of the workshops, in my normal pages I would say okay I'll do props on this page, and do 15 or so, but yeah because you haven't dug around in your mind, you haven't grown, you've just drawn in your own capability that you already had.

I noticed my proportions shift from beginning to end. I started off trying for mature female body type, with larger hips, thinner waist, larger breasts, longer legs. but about the 500 point they kept becoming stockier with shorter legs. Gotta watch out for bad habits when you're tired or near the end of the stretch.

haha crowds, huh. I think you'd do better because you can make them so unique, mine usually end up being a variation of something generic. 1000 crowd shots, anyone?

I'll probably take 300-400 of the good poses and sharpen them up to put in my reference book. that'll take a while :P
It's totally a diary at this point XD

I'm looking forward to doing 1000 props, lemme just add that to my list :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 24, 2018, 12:16:30 PM
yeah you totally start to loosen up due to not caring :P

Y'know, I discovered that last night as I went through a whole sketch page just messing around. Somehow I'm pleased with everything that's on it. It came much more naturally than I was expecting (especially since it's been a hot minute since I last drew anything), and despite my lack of direct attention, things fell into place. There was one spot I was having trouble with, but instead of stressing, I gave the character long wrinkly sleeves that were like, sliding down that arm to cover for the funky elbow placement, and even if it is just a cover, it still looks more natural.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 25, 2018, 06:31:09 AM
thats good to hear. yeah, even if it is a coverup, doing it well is still a skill in my books :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 28, 2018, 12:10:23 PM
finally managed to draw something. Not sure if being ill has slowed me down or I just felt empty after finishing the 1000 figures.

anywho, here goes for 1000 faces/expressions. I'm not sure what sort of rules I'm setting for this one, so I'm just going to play around with  expressions and head shapes and eyes and stuff to see what I can do, and try and get a nice style going I guess. took an hour and a half to do all this, which isn't so bad :)

120/1000
feedback is appreciated, although I'm not sort of focusing on anything so anything bad might just be something I drew without caring. Hair is the only thing I'm definitely not working on, although I'm trying to keep a variety of hair styles.

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 29, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
I call it 'spinning' Like you're cruising on your BMX or skateboard on the halfpipe doing those 1,000 regimens and jumping from rail to rail but then you're free and out of that zone and don't know which trick to do next or how to keep the momentum so you just spin your wheels not really getting anywhere.

Or something.

Dude 120 in the first push, that's awesome! I was looking for the really openly happy expressions - those are my favourite and seem to be far and few in between. Lot's of sad looking ones (in a good way) and the kawaii works. First page had some great hairstyles actually.

Here's to moar!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Lord Kesashi on November 29, 2018, 05:47:55 PM
There's a lot to look at and a lot of good things happening there. I've seen a lot when you do these sets there is wild variation between similar drawings where one looks really good and one looks really bad and then lots in between.

When it comes to drawing this shows that you don't have proper guidelines in your under-drawing. When I was a beginner I had a lot of trouble drawing the same thing twice, so I never tried it until I learned about proportions. For now I would say let the guidelines handle anatomy for you, and then anatomy will eventually come naturally to you.

I noticed you seem to struggle with drawing the head at peculiar angles and in profile. My advice would be to play close attention to real photographs of heads in profile and draw from them.

You have to understand what manga style does to a real person before you can apply this style to peculiar angles. The eyes are pulled down and scaled taking space away from the cheeks and only the cheeks (do not take space away from the forehead, not saying you have done that, just keep that in mind), the chin is sharper and the neck is smaller. Everything else is the same. To make a character look younger you can make the head larger.

Now you've got me interested in doing a larger tutorial on portraits to cover this stuff visually because there's a lot of interesting things happening here.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on November 30, 2018, 02:55:46 AM
@Lego yeah I think I would call that freewheeling. Actually glad you found it hard to find the happy expressions, as in this batch I was trying to go for the negative expressions more, since I ALWAYS draw my character with a smile I was trying to get out of the rut. yeah after the first page of hairstyles I sort of just couldn't be bothered to think of a hair style anymore so just generic'ed it :P

@Kesashi curiously enough the wild variations is exactly because I am varying my guidelines and exploring different construction methods and face shapes. I do indeed struggle with anything other than full-front  angle, so hopefully I'll be able to sharpen up some guidelines for those angles. thanks for the help with the styling off a real face, I'll try and put some real face studies in the mix as well while I'm learning.

I often see artists draw face shapes and I find it hard to imagine the rest of the head (as if they were bald), it often seems unrealistic and the hair is just "fixing" that problem, so I'm sort of looking to find a style that I accept as "realistic" but also manga and stylized.

I do still struggle to draw faces exactly the same, but I can get closer if I try:
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PS 4000th post ftw yay me :P

PPS forgot to say what I was doing recently
here's some icons that I made for my programs that I'm always programming. kinda rubbish but it gets me off that default icon and its mixing my two hobbies so yay all round
I actually made the icons in Microsoft Word using the shapes tools haha.
(https://i.imgur.com/8lnuW3c.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on November 30, 2018, 02:32:43 PM
Those are some pretty icon-y looking icons there. Almost makes me feel like its an old computer system. Very office like.

Congrats for hitting 4,000! 
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on November 30, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
You've put in some fantastic mileage. Great work Suuper, your works in the "I'll draw stuff of yours" thread looks good, especially that first post looks professional af.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 01, 2018, 07:44:24 AM
@Lego thanks yeah I just wanted something simple and that was about as good as I could get them haha. I normally go greyscale because I am clueless on colour choice @_@

@SlamJam thanks. Which reminds me, I'll have to get back and finish those pending requests (-_-);
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 02, 2018, 03:07:24 AM
Nice faces!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 02, 2018, 06:24:43 PM
@walterB thanks!

well I tried to do some more faces but my wrist didn't want to move. it wasnt hurting or anything it was just like "i dont feel like moving y'know" so I was like "no worries you always do a lot for me so just take a break it's cool" and it was like "thanks i owe you" so i was like "hey no problem anytime". so i mostly drew with my fingers and didnt move my wrist. *true story*

didnt bother with guidelines either cos who needs them right XD
182/1000

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 02, 2018, 06:47:02 PM
didnt bother with guidelines either cos who needs them right XD

Me. I do.
But I see you with those profiles. You seem to be struggling with chins. Me too, man. Chins always go further down than I expect them to when I first draw, and getting them to jut out properly is also weird. The only thing I've found that works as far as getting better at profiles is seriously just drawing from life. I promise you, anime/manga style chins and lower jaw regions did not make sense to me until I practiced the real life counterpart.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 03, 2018, 01:43:17 AM
thanks for the feedback. yeah I will definitely have to do some real life at some point, hopefully today if I can be organised :)
and yes I do need guidelines lol

edit: oh yeah and I finally totaled up all my WIPs - 3872 if you can believe that. to be honest, my definition of WIP is more "a drawing that I should have finished", not "a drawing that I will finish", so a lot of these I don't actually want to finish, but some I definitely do. Most are just unfinished sketches and concepts that I just never inked or cleaned up, so it's a shame to leave them unfinished, but those more than 2 years old are too different to my current style for me to finish as it originally was, so, yeah.

I actually wrote a program which helps me quickly crop out sketches from my pages and save as a new image because of the amount of pages that I had to go through haha
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: CookiePanda on December 03, 2018, 12:10:48 PM
Wow I'm so impressed. I was recently looking into animation as well. I haven't gone through your whole thread but from what I've seen you're doing quite well. I need to get back into doing gestures as well. Where do you get your reference images for the poses? I tend to use random photo generators. I'm envious of your ability to draw from different angles, I'm absolutely terrible at it.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 03, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
it takes a lot of practice. I mostly use photo reference sites like you say, posemaniacs is good for a range of poses, but it's 3d figures not real people. senshistock, and other deviant art users upload free packs of hands/faces/feet etc which I find useful.
for the recent set of 1000 poses I did, I drew only from my imagination.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 03, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
Second from left on the first pic for the faces looks like a shounen protagonist like you have no idea. There's lotsointeresting hairstyles here in general.

Second from right of second pic looks interesting there. You do have a knack for non-stylized faces when you want to do them.

You're making good progress suuper. Keep at it!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2018, 02:50:34 AM
thanks!
I was sort of forcing myself into a style-less phase to get those out with a bit more variation than normal.

looks like my time's going to be a bit tighter from now on as I'm going back to work. One of the problems I suspected when I left work was that I wouldn't be active enough on my own as just an artist, sitting in my room at my computer permanently. and basically I need the exercise that comes with a normal job, and until my art is pro-level I might as well earn some more money. I really don't fancy going to the gym and although a jog around the park or whatever is a great idea it just never happened, so hopefully this'll keep my body in good shape.

gotta waste less time on YouTube and stuff since I need to spend time drawing to improve, so there might not be such a drop in activity perhaps :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 04, 2018, 01:49:14 PM
I'm very bad at getting out of my environment to do stuff i.e I rarely if ever jog, so yeh getting a job to put some walking into your life is something that I'd do. Also man I wish I could get a part time day job like that. Tired of janitor stuff though because I suck at it lel.

Any time spent focused on art is good time. But seriously dude your commissions that were done for free are already stuff people would pay for. Don't rule out getting started now as a pro. Being a pro only means paying some sort of bill with money you earned. I'm really sure you can get at that.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2018, 02:08:28 PM
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Being a pro only means paying some sort of bill with money you earned
true true. I always mean it as in super-skilled but I know what you mean.

I used to be a cleaner and I enjoyed the mindless work quite well actually :)

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But seriously dude your commissions that were done for free are already stuff people would pay for. Don't rule out getting started now as a pro
thanks a bunch (gotta finish those requests tho), I keep telling myself I'll get around to getting paid but I'm not money oriented so I keep iterating between gaining skill and gaining confidence, and not doing anything with either haha.

I will definitely aim to go semi pro next year for sure, at whatever level I'm at. I do sort of feel confident but I also always feel that I'm on the verge of improving to the next level, so I always prioritize progress ahead of producing top quality work. That's also partly why I sort of stopped doing the requests as well. >_<

have some quickly finished old WIPs
After making a program to quickly crop images and sections, I made the opposite - a program to join all the cropped bits back together into a "WIP page" image, with multiple sketches on a page. it totally helps my workflow working in bulk. at some point, i'll colour a whole bunch of the nicer ones hopefully.
4 down, 3868 remaining.....

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(https://i.imgur.com/rc7MA2X.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kzFAF8l.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9VHseAe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/P724dzo.jpg)

I'm also probably going to reduce my time on MR as well, so posting less or maybe weekly instead of checking all the time for new stuff, which does take up a bunch of time in itself as well. I'll be active on my own threads, because they're mine :P
I'll also probably be commenting in less detail, fewer threads and so on as well.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 04, 2018, 02:15:28 PM
Haha always finding a way to be more efficient I see. Last one is my favourite. Don't think I've ever seen that kind of gal drawn by you. She has attitude. Nice.


Roger roger. Do what works for you and see ye around.

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2018, 02:21:11 PM
she looked the same as all my others to me haha I'm desensitized to my own drawings :P
I think it's just the result of a bunch of random to be honest lol
I need more clothing variation for sure. might try and throw in a couple of simple patterns on the next lot.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2018, 08:50:20 PM
have some more finished WIPs

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(https://i.imgur.com/SW5nZFu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jLCDb5c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dh32koT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FP3Achv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tt7ssHG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vbPwNTC.jpg)

trouble is some sketches can't be finished with one round, so they'll go back in the queue to be finished at another time. not to mention colouring which I'd like to do to a whole bunch too. I've certainly got my work cut out :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 04, 2018, 08:53:47 PM
I'm liking all of them but I swear it's a coincidence the last one is my favourite again. I don't know if you consider these WIPs or sketches but they're quite polished im(noob)o. You've levelled up, suuper. The outfits and characters and their expressions are all quite individual. Seriously impressive stuff dude.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on December 04, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
These are really good Suuper, definitely a huge improvement over previous work. The poses are cute, the outfits are cute and the general vibe is very light and energetic, I love it!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 04, 2018, 10:53:07 PM
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finished WIPs

Isn't that an oxymoron?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 05, 2018, 03:12:32 AM
@lego it's definitely a coincidence as that one was actually the first one I drew, the upload changed the order. they're 95% finished so not really WIPs, but a couple could go through a lineart clean, to remove the circles and guidelines underneath.

@devola thanks! I find it's easier to work on a whole bunch of images at the same time so I get a bit of a flow up.

@WalterB haha I never thought about that! I suppose I mean "these were WIPs, but now they are not" :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 05, 2018, 12:41:55 PM
aaaand another 6 finished. I think these can properly quality as "finished sketches"

got lazy and combined all the images into 1 lol
not sure if I want to spend more time on each one or not, since there's a limit to how much I can fix while inking on just the one layer.
my old sketches are so low quality it really reminds me to make sure I draw the details in the original sketch and dont wait for the next layer to draw them in, especially hands. for some reason I leave off hands a lot of the tie in my sketches, not even just a rough guideline, nothing. gotta be more on the ball for that sorta thing.

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(https://i.imgur.com/P7gKXYu.jpg)

also wayyyy too many sketches of just a head shot ended up in my WIP folder. well it's good practice I guess >_<
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 06, 2018, 04:08:29 PM
How large is your WIP folder again? Man these are really clean. You're really going at it. I wonder if they're some potential gems in my backlog that I could redraw to make cool like this. Hands look on the short side for the first number 6. Love her shirt though. First number 5 (megane gal) Is my favourite.

Good stuff
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 06, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
thanks
In terms of file size, it's at .57Gb, but resolution and whatnot makes that somewhat meaningless.
In terms of number I did a recount and it's at 3664. I'm somewhat liberal with what counts as one so a typical month looks like this

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this was a better day
(https://i.imgur.com/Pf6TSAJ.jpg)

got lots like this tho, headshot headshot headshot
(https://i.imgur.com/QysQY4B.jpg)

basically anything that I should have finished is in there, I move on too quickly when I should have put more time into my sketches, so now I have the sketches, I want to put the time in to finish them. 1000 finished WIPs is one of my goals, although it's long-ish term. Especially since I want to colour and cel-shade them as well lol

yeah I should really draw more props on my characters like glasses, it always makes them look better and more real. the numbers are the minutes to draw. should really put reference numbers on them

the arm wasn't part of the original sketch for the other girl, which is why it was quite bad, since I had literally nothing to go on and I was inking blind. that's why a good initial sketch (the one above the guideline layer) has to be fully detailed even if it's rough, otherwise you've got to sketch that detail in at some point anyway. hands and feet that never get drawn are really annoying to your future self.

I'm sure there is plenty you can find to redraw/finish/improve in your sketches. What I notice is that because I already have the initial idea, my brain is less taxed in the creative area, and so I can focus more on the proportions and the technical area instead. I often notice anatomy mistakes (although I can't always correct them) a lot easier when it's the second time round. Plus you get a nice before and after to show off your (hopefully) improved skill
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 06, 2018, 06:18:27 PM
Now that's some benchpressing if I've ever seen some lel. After that you'll be sure to have made a leap in skill. Colouring even! Damn.

You're pretty methodic in your stuff. Impressive to see. Will be looking forward to these for sure. Also teach me file naming discipline dammit. My folders are such a mess.

Your mind being taxed is an issue that is so important when it comes to drawing. It's one of the greatest dragons to slay when it comes to making sequential art in general.  My ideal as an artist is not necessarily awesome art (though i'll always want to be a proportion-sama and 3d godling) but having a free flow of my ideas on page without that crushing exhaustion of ideas. I've gotta be more flexible with churning out images if I'm to get anywhere.

And yeh. Props make the world go round.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 07, 2018, 04:51:59 AM
file organisation is probably the only thing I am nearly expert at lol
all files are in the format "year-month-day timefinished timespent copy/sketch description"
so "2018-12-07 0942 012 sketch trees.jpg"
I have year folders and month folders within them. GIMP files stay in the year folder as I wont need to look at them so regularly
Finished pieces, sketches, WIPs etc are additional cropped/cleaned copies placed in the relevant folders under year
WIPs are sorted into Needs Finishing, Needs Inking, Needs Colouring
extra folders contain copies such as the 1000 figure regime, manga pages grouped under story title etc.

tbh I think only the date is actually important but I love having all the extra info. Traditional pages only have the date as I haven't sorted through them yet @_@

yeah I find if I try and freestyle manga pages, I'll run out of momentum really quick and start focusing on the proportions rather than the expressiveness and the creative story. I think getting proportion and stuff under your belt will probably help as you are more free to create. I want to apply my WIP processing workflow to creating a manga with decent quality and expressive drawings, but not sure how yet :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 07, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
Some great clothing pieces there! I also like the way you draw delicate necks.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 08, 2018, 06:51:48 AM
@walterB thanks :)

here's a coloured WIP. the legs went wrong weirdly and the skirt/dress ended up too short as well I think.
I was going for a short kimono feel I think, but it probably would have been better at the knees? I was going for cute but didn't really know what I was doing....
That's what happens when you're working at high speed, but I think all this WIP finishing is helping somewhere in my head.

(https://i.imgur.com/peCz65B.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2018, 06:38:42 PM
Nothing like making more WIPs

(http://i.imgur.com/XEI0iYb.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 09, 2018, 06:42:15 PM
Damn dat file organization deserves a topic in of itself.

Dude your finished WIPs are amazing all across the board. They're webcomic ready and stuff. Such clean lines, and the colours work so well. I want to use colour now. Also kawaii. Also what software do you use because I may or may not be a traitor to paint.

WIPs make the world go round. Top left, bottom left and wavy gal are my favourites. I like the side face too, and how the eyes are so well centered. You are a loyal subject to proportion sama as always.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2018, 06:52:39 PM
Thanks

GIMP is my current program and given how nicely it treats me, i'm unlikely to betray it for a long time (unless i write my own art program to streamline my workflow).
Also animation is easy as abc for normal stuff

I think people order their files diffrerently on what they view as important as well. For me, its like an archive of work in its original state, pages and all. Others might prefer grouping by content or quality etc. If you dont look back much then its not so important i guess.

I try my best on proportion, but its REALLY easy to skew and unbalance your work when youre not paying 100% attention haha. Not doing all my work on the same day helps as i notice mistakes from previous days more easily.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on December 09, 2018, 10:13:14 PM
I think the purple haired girl still looks cute (or I just like purple-haired characters ;p) I like the way you do your lines and how the eyes are coloured.

Cool to see more poses in the second pic. The girl with her hands in her pockets is my favourite.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 10, 2018, 02:29:27 AM
@echo thanks! doing the 1000 figures really loosened me up for the poses that I use when sketching rather than having them always facing dead forwards. hopefully I can increase the range even more in the future :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 10, 2018, 01:12:01 PM
Nice purple hair! :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 10, 2018, 04:46:07 PM
thanks! I mixed it with a little grey to make it less anime-level purple.

latest:
I had a really bad art moment drawing these. Proportions legitimately ceased to exist....I felt really out of place and strange, but I struggled through and well I have results as opposed to no results, but could definitely use some improvement. the inked sketches needed a better base sketch and it wasn't really detailed enough and I had to guess a lot, even after removing the ones that I thought were too sketchy already. Added numbers to reference easily.

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improved sketches:
(https://i.imgur.com/WEP90qO.jpg)

inked sketches:
(https://i.imgur.com/oTcXOMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 11, 2018, 04:38:09 PM
have some more sketches and linearts :P
feeling better about these than the last lot at least haha.
the old WIPs have so many mistakes I can't fix them all but feedback welcome nonetheless :)
for some reason I've started to have problems drawing hair.

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(https://i.imgur.com/PKVNJey.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 12, 2018, 10:44:01 AM
Nice perspective on the girl sitting in the school desk. Her head is a bit stiff though.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 12, 2018, 01:52:18 PM
@WalterB thanks! I'm trying to add a bit more background in my drawings now but it often distracts me from the piece and I lose proportions!

here's some more.
I opted for taking the headshots and adding a body to them since I really didnt want to go through tons of faces and ink them without it being a proper piece.

almost getting a balance between creating pieces and studying/sketching.

Sketches
(https://i.imgur.com/LnV7F0F.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Ict9vzA.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/kk5qXAS.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/59MMxla.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GeHlU0p.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IBlxpKK.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/HbFIbWn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/awbji7z.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/OyLfu6b.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/7QBrptP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/sbMhvjN.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/DEaxTLh.jpg)
Linearts
(https://i.imgur.com/SvaA5WS.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/RXFwLfX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/xQYk6qj.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/i948YDV.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/4VaY2Qo.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/uUdVJ36.jpg)
Normal sketch pages
Nagato and Megumin sketches
(https://i.imgur.com/vCXlXD1.jpg)
Nagato Yuki copies
(https://i.imgur.com/wpxBW3B.jpg)
Nekomimi copies
(https://i.imgur.com/5orzOj8.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 15, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
FINALLY started to digitize my old traditional WIPs, which constitute about 75% of my WIPs, so a good job has started. due to many being over 5 years old and up to 10, my style and skill has increased since, but I want to finish the pieces as close as possible to the old piece, so I'm only fixing the mistakes about halfway, otherwise I might as well just make a new piece from scratch, it would be that different. I'm randomly picking the pieces to work on, but biased towards the older ones first.

Will I ever finish all of these? Who knows :P
But now the question is do these pieces belong in my digital or traditional folder since they are half-half......

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(https://i.imgur.com/CfTgn0H.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/WpTgARN.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/cUD0Kt2.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/XWi1AJW.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Ki28taw.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/FHmK7px.jpg)

EDIT:
coloured some goodish sketches without inking first. I don't have too many of these that I fancy doing as they are on my inking queue as well. Not too sure what I want to do with all my WIPs actually now that I think about it.....

You might recognize some from my posted artworks in the distant past. the last one is one of my first pieces that turned out alright, being a Mark Crilley tutorial :)
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(https://i.imgur.com/VvN8gDn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/62sTTuX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/LN5uR13.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/As5C8ZA.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/ndK2jux.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/92o6s2L.jpg)

My portfolio has nearly doubled with just my work from december lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 16, 2018, 12:45:09 AM
You can certainly see improvement compared to past pieces. I do like the more detailed clothing on those previous pieces.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 16, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Definitely a jump in improvement. And you've been busy I see. Good stuff all round. Like the loveheart dress and the blue dress for sure. That lace placement really makes something of them.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 16, 2018, 05:22:08 PM
@WalterB thanks!

@Lego thanks. Yep Ive done quite a bitlately. And yeah It really makes a difference to the character just by adding details like that to the clothing.

Latest, some more faces. dropped propotions to focus on variety. Drawing a bit more on my samsung tablet rather than on my PC.

(http://i.imgur.com/87Dtm1Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 16, 2018, 07:03:06 PM
Variety's a really useful thing when you want to expand more. Second row first to the left is my favourite along with bottom left.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 17, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
Those are some varied expressions alright!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 17, 2018, 06:14:17 PM
@lego yep it helps to find out ones strengths and weaknesses quite quickly.

@walterB thanks :)

Latest again
251/1000 faces. I'm only counting the pages where "faces" is the theme or objective, as a face here and there doesnt really count towards gaining any skill in that area methinks

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(http://i.imgur.com/7LANXWa.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1D5ePkZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2018, 05:04:55 PM
some manga face copes. I'm not counting copies toward my total 1000 either.

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(https://i.imgur.com/tysAOYb.jpg)

got another grand idea for a few one-shot mangas, using other artists styles. Sort of a copy-a-lot-to-steal-the-style sort of thing. watch this space as always.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 18, 2018, 05:08:38 PM
Damn you're brutal haha. There's a lot of stuff that I shouldn't count in my regimens but I let it slide because I'm lazy. Who were your references?

I really want to draw more manga style now like unforgivingly manga. Reading some stuff I got recommended and slowly getting in the mood.

On your latest counted faces: Your 'looking up, looking down' angling is getting better every moment I see, and your hair is really wrapping around the form of the head well. 251 dude, you're 1/4 there! At pessimistic estimations you'll be done beginning March or thereabouts at this rate. 1,000 faces just like that haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2018, 05:14:31 PM
yeah I find copying relatively easy and almost mindless so there's a risk I might start to rely on it to get the 1000 and not use my brain to construct my own stuff and make my own mistakes.

from what I remember, references were from
Hayate no Gotoku
Yuru Yuri
Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko
....and others
I'm loosely sorting pages with good references into Clothes/Effects/Faces etc but that's obviously slow going. Also way too many mangas not in my references that I want, just takes too much time.

yeah the pace has been slow so far but I'm hoping to gun it and finish by the end of the year tbh. I've hardly done any faces because of my huge time investment into WIPs to crack the ice, but now that's cooling off into a routine I hope to have a more balanced art output again. I've hardly done any studies in the last 2 months given my high output, normally I do loads of copies and not much originals, so I'm a tad short on inspiration.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 18, 2018, 05:18:55 PM
Noiice. Might join you in that rush. After Christmas my only plan for craziness is New Years so I can imagine myself throwing myself into drawing for fun.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
yup the holiday is giving me a lot of free time that I don't plan on wasting. forget new years resolutions, I've got pre new years resolutions.
go for it!

Edit:

Started to panic that i wouldnt finish so did some more faces XD
+65
First page was done left handed just to keep it from getting rusty. Holding the tiny S-Pen is really difficult normally let alone with your non-dominant hand lol
Also tried out a new sketch style for the hair on the last page, would love to know what you all think of it!

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(http://i.imgur.com/1crhLTe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1nSWO8l.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8gFqahb.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2018, 10:49:34 AM
Damn I forgot you could draw with your left hand. Hax!

Last page looks dope. Hair looks more details, lines more confident (this is me saying this as a total plebian when it comes to line discipline). Expressions somehow also looked more lively.

Also damn that's a lot in one chunk. Referenced again? (Because no overall count) 

Fav is curly-haired girl on the second page. 3rd Row last column.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 19, 2018, 11:06:27 AM
well apparently I forgot for a whole year as well lol
I definitely warmed up after a whole page but I didn't want to spend too much time syncing my coordination skills haha
also my left hand and arm was hurting from gripping too hard @_@

the last page's theme was "open mouths", because I keep forgetting to do that. no idea why they look more confident though, maybe because I was more tired by then I was a bit looser :P
glad you like the hair. It was sort of a mini-breakthrough with that style, as I normally try and make the ends join up into typical pointed anime hair, but when I ink I never follow those sketchy hair lines anyway, so I wanted something that looked better as a sketch style only. Definitely will try and develop.

normally you would be right, but nope, they're originals drawn on my Samsung tablet. it was late so I didn't have access to my PC to tally it up, and forgot I could have grabbed the total from a previous post, so 316/1000
If they were copies, I probably wouldn't have even bothered counting until I tallied up the month for my RPG thing XD

edit: have some chibis. started off as a secret project, but after one page of designs, I'm not even sure what the project was to begin with.....
well I wanted to make a keyring with a cute character design on it, but I'm not sure I liked the chibi style so I'm just going to make random dice or something.
(https://i.imgur.com/VwUJu6L.jpg)
also, so much for reducing my WIPs....
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 19, 2018, 01:04:18 PM
Your chibis look cute! I like the first one from the second row. Cool spiky hair!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 19, 2018, 02:43:43 PM
@WalterB thanks! thats's one of the few males that I drew!

have some coloured pieces. I sorted through some of this months linearts to give me something to actually colour, as I was very low on lineart WIPs.
almost a different shading style on each one. started to not be so serious about my art FINALLY. it's helping to churn them out without being too unhappy about the quality. especially since a lot are older artworks that aren't even my current skill, I'm just finishing them to feel better about myself.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/wgkLiEY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LiYYJEy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gJm8o9E.jpg)

meh
(https://i.imgur.com/HOhs3dn.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Damn the first piece alone really jumped out at me suuper. She is kawaii for days. The colors work and I really like the hatching.

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 19, 2018, 03:02:36 PM
thanks!
that was one of my better pieces that I just never coloured. it's great to finally catch up and get them done.

I'm also thinking of posting more on DeviantArt to build up a bit of a following. I've really only been posting my best work but  I think that creates an idea that I am that level all the time, which I am totally not. Better to not give a false impression of myself to avoid any problems in the future methinks.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2018, 03:09:45 PM
Didn't comment on earlier point but haha glad to see you taking in that aspect of drawing. Letting loose is important sometimes. If you can pull it off to give yourself motivation then doooo eet.

And totally. Join Groups and try to participate in them a bit. Also found a nice place in reddit in anime based subreddits. Fanart is a good way to get into the community
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 19, 2018, 04:32:08 PM
I've always been too serious about my own work. Usually in a good sense, as I could always do my best, but it meant I was always worried about doing "less than my best". To be honest I try and copy your style sometimes as you've got a great spontaneousness to your artwork that gives you a lot of variety.

Fanart is something I totally want to do, but I want to be able to draw the characters from memory rather than from references, so it's a bit slow going, and I never felt skilled enough to do it. again with the loosening up! I'm near to churning out some stuff that I've been planning for years so hopefully some time soon something will happen.

I won't update this much, but:
Headshots that I have added a body to:6/1000
Sketches that I have finished adding details:  24/1000
Sketches I have inked:30/1000
Linearts I have coloured:15/1000

A sketch might end up being in two of those counts if it went back into the pile for the next step.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
I'm also on that path of clearing a lot of clutter I've left lying around. It's definitely going to take some years to be done but when I am (Hoping I don't add projects in the interim) I'll be so ready to get to producing works that I want to do I'm always excited to think about that moment no matter how slow my current artsing goes.

And damn, those are impressive numbers for your WIP completion project. They seriously all end up looking like commission pieces so imagine getting a dollar per piece. You'd be a thousandaire by now lel.

And haha domo. I'd kill for porportions and/or exactness right now. Even though I did end up counting my drawings for the RPG meter my clutter is still so bad that it messes with my head. I wish I could be exact and organized haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on December 20, 2018, 05:15:13 PM
Yeah I'd say I've got a year or so of clearing clutter to do. But this time it wont stop me from attempting to get paid commissions and promote myself in the meantime.

The method with which I organise my files/art has changed over the years, so you don't have to have a perfect method straight away, just a better one that you will stick to. later on you might decide to update how you store things after you know what you want. putting a date on each page has been a must for me from the very beginning, but I didn't have a portfolio of finished works for several years, and later on I put my finished works back in sequence with the rest of my sketches and kept a digital portfolio only.
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Post by: Walter B on December 21, 2018, 03:46:23 AM
The third piece is gorgeus! Some fanart would be good to see!!
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Post by: suuper-san on December 22, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
@WalterB thanks! That's one of my old favourites!

Latest stuff. most wips are from 2016/17. not so impressed with my inking, but I was trying out a different style so meh. also my tablet calibration was playing up and it took about 15 attempts to get it recalibrated right.
but I'm totally starting to get over my perfectionism which has been sort of impeding my art for years. So there will be a noticeable drop in quality of artworks as I'll not be so serious all the time.
also, proportions don't exist for the next few weeks/months.
also, whoops forgot to do more faces.
If I could colour more linearts I'm almost averaging one complete artwork a day which is cool.

finished sketches
(https://i.imgur.com/cvakYX5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ejct1O3.jpg)

Tried a different inking style that's faster. Didn't go as well as it has done previously. I blame the quality of the sketches :P
inked sketches
(https://i.imgur.com/mPCr7af.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6q6rKIg.jpg)

Edit: have some coloured wips. tried a slightly faster method.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/TmZahMh.jpg)

There are a ton of junk sketches in my folders even after sorting twice I still get one here and there that's probably not worth doing. but it's all good practice.

There's so much I want to do as an artist I keep losing sight of my goal, which once again I am not sure what it is now anyway. I think I'll just aim at getting really good and really fast then figure out what to do.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on December 22, 2018, 03:32:53 PM
Looks nice.
Perfectionism can drive forward or cripple the artist.
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Post by: Walter B on December 23, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
Nice variety. I like the girl working on the computer.
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Post by: suuper-san on December 23, 2018, 06:22:16 PM
@KeanFox thanks. and totally true. fortunately it's mostly been a force for good in my case, but I think overall it has reduced my maximum capabilities a notch or two. we shall see :P

@WalterB thanks! that was one of my favourite recent sketches but I wasn't able to ink it as coolish as I wanted. there's always next time!
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Post by: Echo_River on December 25, 2018, 03:40:58 PM
I really like your chibi drawings. They're very cute ^^
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Post by: suuper-san on December 26, 2018, 09:25:27 AM
@echo thanks! I love all things cute :P

well as a sort of an update I'm spending a ton of time with family and not doing much drawing at all. I'm pretty much taking the holiday off from drawing now to help rebalance my schedule and stuff. As always I started to get a bit obsessed with it and while that's not a bad thing per se, I was sort of becoming super anxious about improving quickly so I need to redefine my goal posts with a timescale in mind this time, and pace myself better for long term goals. I'll still promote my art this year and go pro though because I decided on that regardless of my skill level.
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Post by: Walter B on December 26, 2018, 09:41:28 AM
Oh, thats good to hear! Holidays time is always important. Good to hear you have some ambitous goals for next year. Good luck!
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Post by: legomaestro on December 29, 2018, 10:50:27 AM
Yeaup. Things are working out pretty well for you here man. Favs are the girl on the tablet and the one with the light red pink dress with bowtie thingie.

Goals are super hard sometimes especially when they keep on giving you mini-goals to deal with first. It's like playing a great video game that forces you to go through mini-quests. It's interesting up to a bit and then you lose sight of the plot.

Hypocritical saying this, but just do what works for you lel
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Post by: suuper-san on December 29, 2018, 12:31:58 PM
@walterB thanks!!

@lego
thanks.
Yeah when you consider the overall goal is "get good at drawing" there's 1000's of mini goals inside of that. at least the mini quests do probably contribute to the overall skill level even if it might not seem like it at first.

anywho, I feel really strange after only a week of not drawing
have some Megumin copies off screenshots of the anime.

(https://i.imgur.com/P8QQMxx.jpg)
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Post by: legomaestro on December 29, 2018, 05:17:06 PM
Screenshots ftw. I used to have a bunch of them but got so lazy I deleted all of them.

Which anime is Megumi? (Yes yes I could google but yeah I'm lazy)


And haha, has the break helped with your output or not? I'm curious.
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Post by: suuper-san on December 29, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
Anime isn't the best quality for learning to draw to be honest, but it's good when you want to copy a character for fanart.

Megumin is from KonuSuba (kono subarashii sekai ni youkoso I think it was)

so far my output has been just these two pages so no comment so far. although the break has helped me to rethink how i am managing my time and stuff.

some Shinon (SAO S2)

(https://i.imgur.com/6rIshB9.jpg)
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Post by: legomaestro on December 29, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
SAO is not my thing, but you did a good job of capping those different expressions for Shion. Seeing this, I'm a bit more humbled at the amount of work pro anime goes through in making so many different expressions so consistently all the time. Just how.

Also: After doing regimens does it ever frustrate you doing drawings that you don't count? I had a problem once or twice with that fact but thankfully it's not too extreme...
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Post by: Walter B on December 30, 2018, 05:36:52 AM
Very good! SAO 2 was cool.
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Post by: suuper-san on December 31, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
@walterB yeah it's one of my favourites :)

@lego well that depends a lot on the skill of the animators, as often you get quite varying quality in different shots. often the artist doesn't have enough time to sharpen up the images to the same level as say, a close-up shot. but when it's done well, then yes it's super amazing and really an anime artist should have the ability to churn out 100's of pages of manga weekly in my opinion XD. That's the kind of skill I'm going for :P

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After doing regimens does it ever frustrate you doing drawings that you don't count?
hmmmmm yes and no. I'm definitely a bit annoyed but it helps me to make sure that what I produce in the future is something that I can count. Fortunately my output is high enough that not including one or two sketches here and there really doesn't really impact my overall count to be honest.

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has the break helped with your output or not?
I still haven't had the chance to have a super high output day, but at the moment it doesnt feel as if it impacted me in the slightest. (although the break has given me a chance to reflect on how high my output should be and how to pace myself better, so probably my output  will be lower as a result of that decision)

have some improved WIPs from the early years. I'm trying to get these out the way as fast as possible and just finish them to any level tbh.

(https://i.imgur.com/M6NhWtV.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on December 31, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
Cute girls as always suuper. Happy new year!
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Post by: suuper-san on December 31, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
thanks!

well, spent 45 minutes inking these ones. Felt awful while drawing them, although I felt a bit bad before starting so it might not have been such a good idea in retrospect. The undersketches weren't that great too. always a reminder to myself to include as many details as early as possible to save getting stuck when inking....
also not sure but I think GIMP is lagging a tiny bit with the large image sizes. Might have to work on less at a time or at a lower resolution, but really I want to have nice crisp linearts.

(https://i.imgur.com/S1njYkf.jpg)
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Post by: TK-Seki on December 31, 2018, 08:40:07 PM
Are you working with gimp, suuper? These girls are cute! The lineart is clean and crisp, I like it. <3
Happy New Year! ^^
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Post by: KeanFox on December 31, 2018, 11:58:00 PM
Photoshop is nice but I stopped using it because of the slowdowns in high resolution. I need a new computer I think
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Post by: suuper-san on January 01, 2019, 07:42:15 AM
@TK-Seki yeah GIMP is great. thanks!

@KeanFox I think a lot of programs would struggle at higher resolutions, but yeah having a better computer would help :)

not much for a first year post, but hey whatever.
some improved wips

(https://i.imgur.com/03p57B8.jpg)
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Post by: Walter B on January 01, 2019, 11:47:19 AM
Starting the year on a great note!
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Post by: legomaestro on January 01, 2019, 08:39:48 PM
Looks like you've figured out how to clean them up prety well. Great stuff suuper!
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Post by: suuper-san on January 02, 2019, 07:15:44 AM
@walterB ohhhhh yeah!!!!!

@lego thanks. well they look ok small like they are now but if you zoom in (on the full res ones) theres mistakes and stuff everywhere. that's the sort of stuff I want to fix now

some headshots that I added bodies to. I'm considering joining sketch survival again and pacing myself for a little each day rather than a huge art day which more often than not failed heavily :P

(https://i.imgur.com/bwTw7Un.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: eukocar on January 02, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
great work as always Suuper!

i am also trying to draw a little bit each day, but cant seem to get it into my system at the moment.


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Post by: suuper-san on January 02, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
@eukocar thanks! it's hard to keep the habit going (T_T)

heres some linearts. took 50 minutes. i hate my past self (1 hour ago) for thinking the sketches had enough information to actually ink stress free.

however, a near perfect ahoge on the chibi one imo :P

(https://i.imgur.com/sr2sdNl.jpg)
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Post by: legomaestro on January 02, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Mwaha. I might have you cornered on the market of hating past self but we shall have to see as you progress.

If you coloured 14 alone and blew it up it'd be the cover for a manga and anime even. And also 3 begs to be a character in a 4koma or something haha.

You probably already mentioned, but how many WIPs do you have to go through to be finished btw?
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Post by: suuper-san on January 02, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
haha I think self-hate is a problem a lot of artists face a lot of the time :P

yeah if i see the chance i will definitely use the characters for something or other :P
and they will also get coloured at some point so watch this space :)

well it changes a lot but the current wip count is 3377 lol
only about 10% are worth finishing, but if i can get in practice on ones that don't matter, then i'll have the skill for when it does :)
also every month i sift through my sketches and add to the pile, so it will never be "finished", but if i dont have any wips older than say 4 months then i'll have "caught up"

Also......this week in suuper news:
I found out the difference between lossy and lossless compression and jpg vs png file types. I feel like an idiot for using jpg for my linearts. i had noticed some artifacts when working with them which is why i increased my resolution, but png doesnt have that problem which i never knew. amazing, right?
i need to rewrite my applets and so on to use png where appropriate :P
and hopefully i can work at a bit lower resolutions which will save my cpu a bit XD
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Post by: legomaestro on January 03, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
3377 daaaamn lol. Well that's a heck of a lot of practice to look forward to.

Also I had no idea jpegs were that nasty to quality. I'll keep that in mind.
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Post by: suuper-san on January 03, 2019, 12:16:50 PM
I don't think it will ever drop below 2000 tbh, but I'm not so bothered about that. In fact, it's nice to have a few hundred or so as I pick them randomly to work on, so it's nice to be surprised :P

jpgs are not insanely nasty (I mean I started using png because that was the default file type in GIMP, but at some point it changed to jpg and I never really noticed the difference) but it hinders you getting that top notch quality when filesize isn't an issue. And it's not like png is a million times larger, it's maybe double or triple in my case.

heres an example of how jpg and png quality differ.
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png - the lines are crisp and clear. the image is compressed but there is no loss of information. Every time the file is opened/edited it will save the same.
(https://i.imgur.com/uOZ7y4m.png)

jpg  - there are extra dots and stuff that appear because the data has been compressed and information has been lost. Every time the file is opened/edited, it will get lower in quality.
(https://i.imgur.com/eBDVmB9.jpg)

edit: some more Shinon
(https://i.imgur.com/oNw8uyE.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 04, 2019, 11:12:53 AM
some hands because I am haven't done them for ages.
and a shinon from memory

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/H2lmJhZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MeUsYjH.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 06, 2019, 05:48:25 PM
290/1000 faces.
gotta get this out of the way and get onto hands :P
also I'm getting dangerously close to becoming "content" with my skill level. need to boost my ambition and targets.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/bQgaeOF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WE5aim2.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on January 07, 2019, 04:07:12 AM
what's the 1000 face thing? Some sort of challenge?
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Post by: suuper-san on January 07, 2019, 01:03:27 PM
yeah, Lego started it off with drawing 1000 boxes, was it? then after he did 1000 hands I thought maybe it would work for me doing a whole bunch of something all in one go, and so the 1000x regime was born. I've done 1000 figures and now it's 1000 faces/expressions.
It's a good challenge to push your creativity, as well as improve by doing lot's of what you're bad at!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on January 07, 2019, 01:43:40 PM
I really like your variety on hair styles.
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Post by: suuper-san on January 07, 2019, 04:12:21 PM
thanks :) I'm trying to mix up the hair styles even if that's not what I'm focusing on in the sketches.
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Post by: legomaestro on January 08, 2019, 08:55:55 AM
Dude you can draw Shinon from memory now? And those are some great faces. Like the afro one for biased reasons but the gals' hairstyles work really well too. Keep at it.

Also regimens make the world go round.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 08, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
@lego sort of, I'll forget if I don't keep drawing her until I'm used to it like Megumin. Also I want to capture the likeness which means remembering a lot more proportions on the face, hair, clothes etc.

talking of regimens, I finished my program that tells/shows me how many images are in each of my folders in a nice table, so I dont have to right click each folder in turn and add up all the numbers with a calculator >_<

I added a cleanup stage in between sketching and inking because I was trying to add detail on the sketch and it was getting crowded, making it harder to ink. So a pre-ink phase was in order. The cons are that each image has an extra stage to go through. the pros are that each image will be able to end up a higher quality.

heres the business end of the cropped screenshot
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(https://i.imgur.com/NGBPgAe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6Q8Vi0h.png)

Also, I've got to try and work at a lower zoom for the earlier stages, to lay down the details quick and only sharpen them up at high zoom near the final stage. otherwise it just takes too much time. Working on 4-6 images of the same stage is helping me to improve my workflow a lot more than working on an individual image all the way through from sketch to coloured lineart.

Time to actually do art instead of talking about it @_@

edit: art has been done.
329/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/Zu0kqOK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yKsQZX0.jpg)

and some super quick coloured sketches. i was going for maximum speed. a summer theme with warm thoughts :P
also trying to do simple backgrounds more.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/u6fFXPK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/598J579.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WfcsEmi.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coach Fro on January 08, 2019, 06:42:40 PM
Dawg that's a really nifty program you got going on there! Those programming chops of yours definitely looks like they come in handy.

And great work as always suuper! Beautiful faces all around.
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Post by: legomaestro on January 09, 2019, 01:24:41 AM
Dude the practicality of your programs is on point haha! Just how! I just had a flashback to a day when I fantasized about making a program that 'Vortexes a folder' When you drop it in: It collects all images strewn about a folder and organizes them. Seeing what you do, is something like that possible?

Seeing the hairstyles with the buns is really showing how you're understanding how the hair wraps around the head of your characters. Also nice faces all round. So many of them! 
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Post by: suuper-san on January 09, 2019, 03:17:21 AM
@fro thanks yeah programming has become part of my problem solving, i do it all the time for quick things like that. i'm not sure if i save time overall but it saves me having to do repetitive tasks and remembering lots of numbers :)

@lego thanks. what do you mean by organizing images? like it recognises a hand or a face and puts it into the relevant folder? that would be cool, but would be seriously programming intensive. Google seems to be able to analyse an images contents so the api might be usable but i think it would be out of my skill range >_<
it totally depends on the type of images you want to sort and the level of sorting you want to do.
i did make an image sorting program as it happens but its manual and only slightly faster than dragging and dropping the images in explorer itself haha

latest, added some bodies to some headshots

(https://i.imgur.com/I70BG4W.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: eukocar on January 09, 2019, 11:58:31 AM
great work as always suuper but what happend with the boys head(that gray stuff)
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Post by: suuper-san on January 09, 2019, 01:32:17 PM
@eukocar that was the original sketch (just a head) which had been drawn on lined paper. I'm going through old sketches at the moment and finishing them off, adding bodies, inking, colouring etc. All the sketches on that page will get inked so I don't need to clean up anything.

edit: trying to do a bit of serious background pieces. i dug up some old 3d work and made a bunch of shots, and used them like unfinished wips. its a bit hard to see the characters but i'll have cropped them before inking.

wait, so now i have another layer of wip processing to do, making backgrounds? >_<

(https://i.imgur.com/jAMkUHP.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 15, 2019, 01:55:07 PM
my arms are killing me from garden work but I don't want to let that beat me art-wise.
not done much to do with wips so far this year but been busy with life and other art things.

well I can do these sort of sketches quite comfortably. my workflow is changing so fast I cant quite keep up with the ideas and methods that I'm thinking of.
spent longer on this than I wanted, I was aiming at about 15 minutes but hey predicting is also a skill.
higher zoom totally controls the quality you get. higher zoom=higher quality and visa versa. But you gain in time so it's a clear trade off. I might finish my requests in this style since I want to explore and improve the sketch style as well.
Nagato Yuki from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu

(https://i.imgur.com/p23Xcyf.jpg)

edit have a step-by-step gif
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first step is pose thumbnails trying to think of an idea. although I bailed out and did a normal standing pose anyway.
(https://i.imgur.com/aO7aPQz.gif)

also can you believe it I made a tiny app to type the date for me in the filenames because I finally got fed up of doing it by hand. also I make mistakes when I do it but a program wont.

i want to some greyscale/monochrome sketches too @_@

edit2:

some finished wips
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(https://i.imgur.com/IpLIOm7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nhsSeLw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9KTPBeC.jpg)

also I upgraded my folder counting program to show increase/decrease in number because thats fun as well

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/PCKbaJH.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Rustee on January 16, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
I really like your work!  Great job!  Your eyes are amazing!
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Post by: suuper-san on January 16, 2019, 12:51:33 PM
@Rustee thanks! I love putting lots of highlights in the eyes :)

latest: starting to pick up speed again. starting to settle into controlling the level of quality I put into a piece, and at what quality to work at for each stage in the wip process.

Spoiler
Finished Sketches
(https://i.imgur.com/VikjoPQ.jpg)

Cleaned Sketches - the stage before lineart. If I'm lucky then the quality will be high enough to use as a lineart anyway :P
(https://i.imgur.com/vEKKCsg.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Walter B on January 16, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
Beautiful work Suuper!
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Post by: Coryn on January 16, 2019, 04:26:34 PM
Ahah! A table! Props! It's great to see you taking a step away from plain figures!
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Post by: suuper-san on January 16, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
@walterB thanks :)

@coryn thanks! I'm finally starting to get comfortable with working with characters that I'm able to put a bit of focus onto backgrounds. hopefully I'll be able to be even more consistent in the future.

talking of tables:
latest: a request finally finished for WalterB

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/JwFeyRX.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 17, 2019, 05:50:57 PM
forced myself to get some linearts coloured. still need to loosen up and be less serious with my art.
actually had a real hard time doing these and took ages to get them done.
took over an hour to do them, and they turned out fairly ok I think :P

(https://i.imgur.com/ryUPoBs.jpg)

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Post by: legomaestro on January 17, 2019, 06:01:10 PM
I've always been fascinated by the use of 3d to suppliment your art. The thing is you have to be able to make the lineart and colour readeable at least - or make the background fit your style. I see it done so well in webtoons I've always wanted to do them. My favourite one is the gal on the pillar, and the gal on the sofa because more emotion.

The empty classroom one gives me the heebie jeebies for some reason? Or at least some uncomforteable reminder of some anime that hit me with a lot of feels. Brrr.

Hehe the layers of WIP improvement never end. Tis the way of life for an artist. Means you're doing things right.

Good stuff all around!
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Post by: suuper-san on January 18, 2019, 08:16:54 AM
thanks
I'm not sure if I will trace the 3d, or after finishing the sketch put the original 3d render back in but regardless it's great to have the perspective and whatnot perfectly correct without having to worry about vanishing point and stuff. plus resuability on 3d scenes at different angles is a great plus. I think to get a really good scene you've got to do a bit of traditional on top to make it look nice though.

2 of my favourite videos are these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqqj07WnQqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAUKymZigxQ
the detail is fantastic, and especially on the second one, use of Sketchup to make a base model where a lot of the lines are used from the render, but a lot are drawn as well.

empty classroom is empty cos I'm not adding 30 characters lol. aint nobody got time for that XD
once the shot is finished I'll be cropping quite a large amount off to focus more on the characters that are in the shot.

After all I said about needing to loosen up, in the new year I was all uptight and "I gotta do everything perfect" started to come back again. 2019 is a year of nothing but leveling for me and almost deliberately producing "bad" artworks. I've got to have the attitude "ok these next 6 are going to be rubbish but I'd rather finish them badly than leave them to rot in my folders". And I generate so many hopeful sketches there's always going to be a favourite that I want to finish well somewhere in there, and one day I will be able to finish them well, but until then, it's back to the grindstone. Also I can't allow myself to get complacent now that my skill is approaching plausibly good.
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Post by: suuper-san on January 18, 2019, 10:02:12 AM
talking of 3d and backgrounds, I played around a bit with rendering using Sketchup and Kerkythea.

(Click to enlarge)

Sketchup Original
(https://i.imgur.com/pVXFw3A.jpg)

Sketchup Lineart Style
(https://i.imgur.com/Wi3JDaD.jpg)

Render with colours using Kerkythea
(https://i.imgur.com/L0G3B9v.jpg)

Combined in GIMP
(https://i.imgur.com/XVyRTAG.jpg)

Screentone style with GIMP
(https://i.imgur.com/DjWkeOr.jpg)

I'm not really sure what I expected or was aiming at, but I think it's not bad for a first time serious attempt, and is certainly passable in any manga I fancy doing. Took about an hour and a half to design and produce the renders.
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Post by: KeanFox on January 18, 2019, 03:13:30 PM
The result is pretty good. From here you can take it in any direction you like.
 
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I tried taking one of your renders and convert it in clip studio. Wanted to see if it work there.
Thats the Kerkythea one. Maybe the GIMP would have turned better.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 18, 2019, 04:22:17 PM
thanks, and cool version you've got there. but yeah without the outlines the objects are definitely harder to see.
since you mention clip studio I've been wondering if I should use a different program for making manga pages as several are more suited than GIMP, but when you're used to something it's hard to change.
seeing your version has given me an interesting idea for breaking the shade up - to reduce the shade count to 2 or 3 with the posterize feature, getting more of a cel-shaded feel.

edit: heres how it came out
feels more suited to a comedy style manga as it's less realistic than the previous one, which felt quite serious.

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(https://i.imgur.com/ZWpy1pO.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on January 18, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
I was trying to make it look like the Screentone with GIMP one. But couldn't do it without the pixelation and clarity. Tried it with the Combined in GIMP, better results but still pixelated. I think it's the image size is small for clip studio. I like clip studio. I see more artists start to use it. Moving from photoshoot there was some difficulty, after that it's nice.

You are discovering your own methods of doing things.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 19, 2019, 08:29:13 AM
Yeah the screentone effect really reduces the resolution by your dot size, so 5-10x loss of resolution generally.
I would definitely like a program with a bit more perspective gridline and symmetric gridline features, but so far I've managed to do without them. Mostly it's my art skill itself that is the limiting factor so I'll always be pushing that before challenging other problems like software. thanks for the tips.

to be honest GIMP is open source, I might actually try writing my own extensions/tools and whatnot for that which would be really fun and then I get exactly what I want :P

some wips from yesterday. once again I've changed my methods. January is ending pretty soon and I've not done nearly as much as I wanted so far. Having a monthly goal is good because you're always on your toes XD
I've been working a lot slower than normal lately as well but oh well :P

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the ones on this page were all originally drawn at the same time, they were meant to be randomly picked but who knows what happened with my program there @_@
(https://i.imgur.com/JQlqcvQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rSMOX8f.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/A6j2F5i.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 19, 2019, 12:16:27 PM
385/1000
trying a more realistic style after copying a page of photos.
well, trying to draw realistically.

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(https://i.imgur.com/7rcJvAA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EGwekBu.jpg)

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 20, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
some sketches of varying quality. really happy with the doll joint one.
I've got a very low number of sketches to actually ink at the moment thanks to deciding most of my sketches weren't actually clean enough, so the rest of the month will probably be me trawling through sketches to finish and clean >_<

182/1000 wips processed so far, although that's only one step, so it's actually 182/4000 or something lol

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(https://i.imgur.com/nDeIwgf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Pocisll.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mQg0XOz.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Aimyraude on January 20, 2019, 09:30:26 PM
varying quality? they are all so cute the fifth one is my favourite though she is too adorable with her clothes  :dance:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 21, 2019, 03:59:14 AM
thanks! I'm trying to get more variety in my costumes to make my characters more unique and real.

another page from yesterday. characters are more generic in my wips because a lot are from years ago when I was less creative :/
but at least I get practice with clothes and stuff, and I'll try and modify the outfits with patterns at least, hopefully.
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(https://i.imgur.com/kws9rNl.jpg)

and once again, no backgrounds @_@
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Robin Ryuu on January 21, 2019, 09:44:54 AM
So many sketches. Will probably help with designing background characters in the future.

One thing I notice though, is that your head/neck proportions when compared the the body vary a bit extremely. I'm not sure if you were trying different styles, but something to keep in mind with styles is that the more exaggerated the head proportions the smaller the neck tends to be (especially when drawing cute girls).
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 21, 2019, 09:54:29 AM
@robin yeah I struggle to make varying characters. hopefully it will have some benefit somewhere :P
the recent batches have been improvements from previously drawn half-finished sketches, from all the way back to 2010 at the earliest. sketches that I just never finished and I feel sorry for them, as I often still remember what sort of character I was aiming at for each one. so the varying proportions is half due to my style changing each year as I improved and not being able to correct it with just one trace over, but also my whims on whether to make them more or less realistic.
I'll keep that tip in mind. there seems to be quite a few different proportion styles that work for making characters cute and I can never decide on which one I want to use :P

edit:
some wips I worked on

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(https://i.imgur.com/iGqiH6a.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DRGVgdc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9I0db4B.jpg)

edit2: some more headshots that I added bodies

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(https://i.imgur.com/EaPB8Uw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9zFeu4Q.jpg)

I just had a crazy idea to try and do manga pages in the same way, bit by bit. we'll see.....
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 24, 2019, 04:21:19 PM
latest scribbles at work.
418/1000 faces
finally decided that trying to work on expressions at the same time as basic head proportions wasnt working, so I'm going to drop back to normal expressions/hair and try and get face proportions right first, then 1000 expressions later at some point, but no head just the face, so really squeeze out the expressiveness.

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(https://i.imgur.com/q8wnZPM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Kazb9TC.jpg)

edit: finally kicked myself to do some linearts. still way too serious about my own work, so trying to break that wall down.

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Gabryel on January 27, 2019, 06:11:30 AM
fml you're all so dedicated, great stuff and great excersizes too! makes me wanna do those challenges too but I got no time to do it T^T

What do you mean by too serious about your work?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 27, 2019, 06:03:50 PM
@Gabryel thanks! it always feels like I dont have enough time! Serious in that I get scared to ruin a drawing so I leave it, rather than experimenting and learning from failures. Bit of perfectionism mixed in as well :P

anyway did another 150 faces
picked up 2 new sketching styles, one of which is twice as fast as my normal speed, at the cost of quality but for experimenting with faces its quite useful.
575/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/oyIFH3n.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hMypGui.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Nt4sgCA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/E2GdwjO.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Gabryel on January 28, 2019, 02:03:52 PM
casually did another 150 faces lol...  How long does it take you to fill one page with the new sketching style?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 28, 2019, 03:45:19 PM
haha ikr XD
as long as I can maintain focus my output in one area can be fantastic, but I start to get bored and go off onto other things :P
one page of normal faces was 17 minutes average (almost exactly the same for each page), quick sketching was 10 minutes (same for both pages I did in that style)
(although number of faces varies per page)

edit:
625/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/qDDiqoV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/r2e2xbu.jpg)

and a page of copies.
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(https://i.imgur.com/cwGPZZf.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MorganManga on January 29, 2019, 04:23:51 AM
haha ikr XD
as long as I can maintain focus my output in one area can be fantastic, but I start to get bored and go off onto other things :P
one page of normal faces was 17 minutes average (almost exactly the same for each page), quick sketching was 10 minutes (same for both pages I did in that style)
(although number of faces varies per page)

edit:
625/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/qDDiqoV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/r2e2xbu.jpg)

and a page of copies.
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(https://i.imgur.com/cwGPZZf.jpg)

I've never seen someone draw 1,000 of anything as an exercise so I really admire your dedication. I thought drawing 250 boxes and 250 cylinders was a mission until I saw this.  I wish I had your speed. The quality is good too. It makes me want to practice even more! I noticed you don't draw many heads from behind, is that intentional? What is your process if you don't mind sharing?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 29, 2019, 08:07:15 AM
drawing boxes and cylinders is just as important to be honest :P
until Legomaestro drew 1000 boxes I hadn't seen anyone draw 1000 of anything either XD

heads from behind dont have much face detail such as eyes/nose/mouth, so I don't draw them for practice very much. also since the silhouette is the same, all I have to draw is a normal front facing head, and trace different lines over it to get a back facing one!

hmmmmm my process huh. Really I just draw on auto pilot, and generally don't draw the exact same thing twice for variation, so I say:
-ok lets draw a face at 3/4 view
-now let's try one with larger eyes
-now let's try one looking downward slightly
-ok bored lets do a front facing head
-lets try a chibi style head
-etc

I often try and mimic art styles that I like, and so I vary between realistic and "manga" styles quite freely :P

edit:
more faces 680/1000
legitimately no idea what I am doing :P

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(https://i.imgur.com/PPUnL2Q.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/F6IjxvZ.jpg)

Edit2:
Did some sketches. Did all the poses first then went back and added details for all of them.

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(http://i.imgur.com/y19jdCY.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on January 30, 2019, 04:11:12 PM
bit of a break from faces for some more wips. haven't got too many inked wips, which means I don't have many to colour either.
I also took the bold step of combining my traditional and digital wips into one set of folders, since I'm doing the exact same thing with them (completing on my PC), they don't need to be kept separate. saves me organizing 2 sets of identical folders which is nice.

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(https://i.imgur.com/cdbnkwm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OGHUB7d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qWTOPaf.jpg)

also is it just me, or do you guys when you look at your artworks remember where you were and who you were talking to when you drew it? I remember where I was for like loads of all my finished artworks XD generally the higher the quality the drawing the more clearly I remember where I was lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on January 30, 2019, 11:00:47 PM
I mean yeah, I could definitely tell you where I was when I finished all of my big stories. That kind of work just suddenly coming to an end really has an impact that lasts.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 01, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
@coryn glad it's not just me then!

latest headshots that I added bodies to. I've taken to completely drawing a new layer when improving my drawings rather than drawing on the same layer as the previous one, as it's much more neater and I can see what I'm doing more clearly.
and once again I feel that I'm on the verge of a breakthrough :P

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(https://i.imgur.com/pKga66G.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CfruTp4.jpg)

and it's a month into the new year already.
in January I improved 196 WIPs by one step and, combined with my new sketches, generated 216 new WIPs. So my overall WIP count has increased yet again @_@
Hopefully I'll get more coloured pieces done this month as I've got more linearts now.

edit with more

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(https://i.imgur.com/78FbLZB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9ZmL9M0.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: DCLegendia on February 01, 2019, 06:33:36 PM
Seems like you crank out A LOT of images which is what we all should be doing!!! Nice work about the consistency :)
I find that all the poses look great and there's no stiffness, it's easy to tell you're a natural and really comfortable with it no matter what the pose is  :clapping:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 03, 2019, 09:56:17 AM
@DCLegendia thanks! well I certainly don't feel like a natural! I'm always pushing my abilities to reach the next level XD

latest faces from the last few days
754/1000
going to try and crank out a whole bunch to try and finish today, gotta get onto 1000 hands ASAP because they are getting stale (>_<)

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(https://i.imgur.com/DVs1fj9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/27NNznU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VnSjpBs.jpg)

and a copied page from manga
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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: The SlamJam on February 03, 2019, 12:35:54 PM
your volume's really impressive, gj!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 03, 2019, 12:50:34 PM
Thanks SlamJam!

anywho I did these 125 in just over an hour. Starting to get some sort of sense of guidelines for basic face angles and almost finally getting the hang of drawing different ages' faces. might actually manage to finish today XD
879/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/nT33LWd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1qD4KHV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LqDVJr1.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 03, 2019, 07:24:53 PM
woot finished. how I did 250 on the last day yet took 2 months in total bewilders me. lets call it progress shall we. also anyone else notice my head count per page creeping higher towards the end? me neither XD

I started 28th November so its taken just over 2 months. a bit longer than I would have liked but i was drawing other stuff in between so thats understandable.
final count 1023/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/VLanRVg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7HBUa7Q.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SCE9ewt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V4Dxeku.jpg)

aaaaaaand the full set for you hardcore scrollers. may or may not be in order...
44 pages, 10 of which were on paper, the rest digital.

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(https://i.imgur.com/rlSQ5mo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Bt9BQlQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3KeNf3i.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XEJyrIQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rDt3U2t.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/37giX7S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/94T83t3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jXorCgv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ItarGkZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eStBHWY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/T5jlz24.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NWeWzZs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mp2n5KL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NTrrj9w.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RgNc0Oa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dLGbchO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bgfoEIt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/S4d2QSu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BZtJ8rE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VQsIQSE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sgEiFE7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PRyTJLs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CffFa7O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RiiR9Su.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xKPSnuG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XB3CZnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bt2dvli.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XwyxyMF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tn95zeT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TeCDxIS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RtBR44d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/c17zdW7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/okfDGxM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0D2HZn3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IO212Ew.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MaqcVs4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9b13xz0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jyOrWmu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vtUmZf3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WksG5Eq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/itEwYa6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9wMHTj1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qmR2JMK.jpg)

well i learnt a few things with this regime as well. possibly only applies to me or my thinking, but here's what i learnt.


I'm sure I learnt a lot more than that, but a lot was to do with my own art style and specific face proportions and stuff, I can't really put that into words and i doubt it would have any benefit to anyone if i did.

well 2 regimes under my belt now.
I'm definitely going for 1000 hands/arms now, as my characters often just have their hands by their sides, I don't give them much personality or expressiveness. also hands are one of my weakest points now so it wouldn't hurt to improve the proportions as well.
onwards and upwards.......
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Echo_River on February 04, 2019, 11:40:37 PM
Congratulations on completing another regime Suuper!
Felt that the heads certainly started looking more 'natural' down the pages, the rounded chins for example, and the proportions on the face. It's also helpful to see the presence of the forehead, something that gets overlooked sometimes in drawings.
A lot of good work put into here. Keep it up! c:
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2019, 08:10:03 AM
thanks!
yes I try to give them a forehead and work out how the anatomy works even for the chibi heads :)
its taken its time but the rounded chins has finally started to sink in :P
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 06, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
some linearts

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(https://i.imgur.com/L86jQzs.png)

and my first page of hands.
gonna be doing studies alongside these otherwise I'm not going to improve proportions....XD
39/1000

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(https://i.imgur.com/2ZHAP4M.png)

might need to do less hands per page but larger and in more detail to make sure I'm learning all the details and proportions as well....
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 07, 2019, 04:02:03 AM
*Whistles* Damn  super those complete WIPs look kawaii as frick. Great stuff.

Also: OMEDETO on finishing your regimen! Scrolling makes the world go round!

I'll do a little point by point interrogation later, but I ve really gotta commend this one. The improvement is noticeable and I'm sure as heck it helped you streamline some stuff - I mean you've been doing this along with your WIP completing and other duties. I need to learn.

For now congrats dude. Onwards and upwards!

Hands can be fun. I think you'll enjoy them. Favourite is pen one and the bendy wrist on the bottom right of the page.

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: fcollot on February 07, 2019, 10:21:55 AM
That's some real work you put in there, and it's looking good. You're an example for us all (I should really try this).
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 08, 2019, 05:04:33 AM
@fcollot thanks! it's definitely worth putting the effort into, you really do improve the more you do XD

@lego
thanks v much. I need to put a bit more focus into the lineart and coloured WIPs. it's relatively easy to oversketch an old WIP, but when it comes to inking or colouring i sort of "don't feel like doing it today", ever. really I want to have 30 linearts and 30 coloured pieces a month as a standard output, but yeah with the studies and regimes it's often swept under the carpet. I'm trying to build up the habit of drawing even when I don't feel like it.

streamlining definitely happened at some point, as well as I started to have a clearer image of the face I wanted to draw before I started sketching it. Normally I just let my pen roam free without any planning, and if it turns out good, it turns out good, but having a bit of a plan certainly helps reign in the random variables :P

Yup from my studies already I've noticed a lot of angles and poses that I have just never ever drawn, so I'm hoping to add some complexity/realness to my hand poses along with the accuracy. Also need to take more photos of my hands with more props as well XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 08, 2019, 04:19:45 PM
have some linearts. took 45 minutes for each page of 6.
I now average >1 lineart/day for the year now XD

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(https://i.imgur.com/muINNT9.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 10, 2019, 02:36:24 AM
tried a page of double the WIP count to see how it affects productivity. I drew about 10% faster, which goes to show bulk output is really my calling.
Also figured out why I'm avoiding coloured works so much, simply because it's working with less images. In an hour I can colour 4 linearts, or finish sketching 24 WIPs, so I naturally favour the sketching because there is more variety. Gotta get over that @_@ Or learn to colour even faster lol

(https://i.imgur.com/waGuC6l.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on February 11, 2019, 06:01:32 AM
Good hustle Soup! Your output is impressive as always and browsing through the work that I've missed I can definitely tell you've made steady progress. Keep it up man, as soon as I get some time I might try my hand at some of these endurance studies!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 11, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
@Dev thanks, and you should totally try it. it would be awesome to have another raider on the 1000x regimes. whats great is that regardless of your skill level, you do so much you can't help but improve XD

heres some coloured pieces I did a few days ago. most are the few old linearts from years ago that were just about worth colouring. also my inking speed for linearts increased by about 20% over 15 pieces by simply trying "to go faster"

also please tell me you recognise the top left character. my pride will hurt if you dont :P

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(https://i.imgur.com/BFF3jLo.png)

edit: some sketches, from old head/face WIPs
took 56 minutes for the first page and 57 minutes for the second page. not the first time that my times have been the same or similar.

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(https://i.imgur.com/qP2PvOg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bfkiJ54.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's suuper drawings
Post by: Sayuui on February 12, 2019, 12:08:23 PM
@gleiph i dont what you're talking about......

@Keyjolfsson thanks im working on bodies at the moment but mostly its just quicky sketches, nothing really to show for it :P

Hey there!
From what I see, you're getting started. It's a good start! But from what I see, you're learning from how to draw manga books and magazines. I'd advise you to switch your sources once in a while. How to draw manga books are good because they teach you in a very simple way, but they're mostly from 90's and early 2000's artists. I don't know why they don't update this stuff, so here's some modern tutorials from modern and japanese artists! https://www.pixivision.net/en/c/how-to-draw/
Also, this twitter account: https://twitter.com/hanari0716

I'd recommend learning always from Japanese artists, because people like japanese styled art for commercial work (games, promo art, etc.) but if you're going to focus on commissions, having a consistent style is enough. Give priority to real life pictures when learning things!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 12, 2019, 12:24:32 PM
@Sayuii
thanks for your comment! However I'm curious what led you to think I draw from how-to-draw books? Since I actually avoid them quite strongly, almost from the very beginning when I started to draw. I mostly do draw from photo references (internet and my own), and also from manga pages/illustrations that I have saved from when I was reading them, to see how other artists stylize their work and also to learn their style.

(Were you looking at my early work and not the later pages? You quoted a really old comment of mine!!)

Thanks very much for the links, I will have a look, especially as I can read Japanese I do occasionally see the odd Japanese tutorial and I love them for their straight to the point-ness.
That being said I hardly look at any tutorials anyway, I like figuring out my own stuff from my own observations, so there's nothing that I really need/want a tutorial on, other than how to use my software properly XD
I'm actually exploring multiple styles which is why my work always looks different, I don't know what sort of style I want as a "main" style so I'm just building up art skill until I make that decision.



here's a page of sketches. Instead of doing a whole page of one stage (ie sketching/inking/colouring) I tried to have a row of each, with more of the sketchy top ones. The results were basically a failure, in that I wasn't able to build up a rhythm for my work as the attitude and processing of each stage of drawing was different.
Also GIMP didn't like having so many large layers for when I was doing the colouring and shading, and the lag was quite annoying here and there. So I won't be doing a mixed page like this again. Each individual piece was basically alright though.
Took just over an hour.

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(https://i.imgur.com/1fRUzs5.png)

Also, first time ever doing dark clothes maybe I think haha.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Sayuui on February 13, 2019, 04:19:30 PM
@Sayuii
thanks for your comment! However I'm curious what led you to think I draw from how-to-draw books? Since I actually avoid them quite strongly, almost from the very beginning when I started to draw. I mostly do draw from photo references (internet and my own), and also from manga pages/illustrations that I have saved from when I was reading them, to see how other artists stylize their work and also to learn their style.

(Were you looking at my early work and not the later pages? You quoted a really old comment of mine!!)

Thanks very much for the links, I will have a look, especially as I can read Japanese I do occasionally see the odd Japanese tutorial and I love them for their straight to the point-ness.
That being said I hardly look at any tutorials anyway, I like figuring out my own stuff from my own observations, so there's nothing that I really need/want a tutorial on, other than how to use my software properly XD
I'm actually exploring multiple styles which is why my work always looks different, I don't know what sort of style I want as a "main" style so I'm just building up art skill until I make that decision.



here's a page of sketches. Instead of doing a whole page of one stage (ie sketching/inking/colouring) I tried to have a row of each, with more of the sketchy top ones. The results were basically a failure, in that I wasn't able to build up a rhythm for my work as the attitude and processing of each stage of drawing was different.
Also GIMP didn't like having so many large layers for when I was doing the colouring and shading, and the lag was quite annoying here and there. So I won't be doing a mixed page like this again. Each individual piece was basically alright though.
Took just over an hour.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/1fRUzs5.png)

Also, first time ever doing dark clothes maybe I think haha.

Oh! Sorry, I really was looking at the first post. I'm not used to these  forums yet! My apologies xD
From what I see your most recent art and from what you're saying, you're learning correctly! Keep it up, and if you ever get bored with art, try different things! ~

woah, you actually read Japanese? You're probably going to improve really fast then!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 13, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
haha no problem it happens to all of us!
well I spend most of my time reading light novels, not tutorials, so I'm afraid my Japanese is wasted in that regard XD
yeah I definitely need to try out more stuff. animals, backgrounds, comics and paneling; the list is infinite :P

just to requote myself, I'll be not on MR very much in the next few weeks/months, I've become extra busy lately.
heres my last art post for a while.
86/1000 hands
(https://i.imgur.com/uoOPkOg.png)

PS I just discovered the airbrush in GIMP and I think i can shade now lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on February 16, 2019, 08:29:50 AM
Good luck with whatever it is you're busy with Suuper, I'll be looking forward to your return! As always good hustle on the studies.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 16, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
thanks :)
And I've got some high powered art strategies that I want to try out without the bizarre pressure I feel to report back here :P
funny Lego mentioned previously that sometimes you think you have to scan everything you do and upload it, and I think I fell into that habit, so I started to avoid drawing things that I didn't have confidence in. Once again it's time to rebalance XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2019, 03:57:21 AM
*Ninja appear*

Hope the hand regimen is going on quite well, suuper. Request? I want to see that 24 WIP / 4 colour work in timelapse? It'd be pretty swell.

And yeaup, that's the ultimate Zen form of being an artist: It's a habit that you never need to show off to people, it's just something to do. But we are still human so it helps quite a bit commitment-wise to be able to upload stuff. At least you're very ordered with your stuff. My scanning shenanigans would make you lose hair in despair dude.


Incoming wall-o-text from a recent epiphany. Sorry if it hijacks your topic but I wanted your input on it, suuper.

Been thinking recently: Going to have to bite the bullet and improve on selling the image of an artist. I still want to improve my stuff for 2 years before I really go ham but I'm starting to realize there's quite a few people who actually like my art, and I know for sure your stuff is commission level.  Why aren't we being flooded in with requests?

I can only speak from my side: I have this sort of romanticiszed pride as an artist not to really flaunt my stuff or take care of whatever platforms/social media I have. I am so unwilling to spice up my profiles that I think I actually work against the image that I do art. Funny enough that was something I was doing irl too when it came to how I dressed and getting ready for the day. I couldn't be bothered for the longest time, but after some simple tips (I'll spare you the embarrassing, finer dirty details) I immediately noticed I felt better and things worked out. It's the unfortunate mundane fact of life that impressions make a heck of a lot of difference when it comes to having people be interested in what you do. Brand sells.

Huge generalization but creative people suck at marketing, basically. I dare say the eccentric artists like Van Gogh died in poverty because they didn't have a marketing man behidn them who could push their label and let them at least have a reliable flow of income.

I learnt this yesterday when a dude from a restaurant invited me for free food to sketch his place and even tossed some instagram followers my way. Within an hour he'd pitched 4 amazing ideas that sounded fun as heck and would be financially viable. Still blown away from that experience and processing it (post for later) but it all comes down to the same thing: My DA, my twitter, my facebook, my insta and even my forum profile needs a little pimping.

If you want to get into the commission game you've gotta work on those covers, those profile pictures, your taglines and copy lines. It'll feel superficial and annoying as heck but it'S one huge important step in selling yourself. And yes I said selling yourself on purpose because of how cheap it sounds AND how true it is. In the art world you're selling yourself.


Don't get me wrong. I'm still horribly inlove with the idea of being so authentic and free from shackles that you don't try to model yourself according to what the market expects. There's still something in being free enough from opinions to do your own thing. I don't know how to deal with that just yet, but one thing is for sure I can do better.

(I really have no idea if any of this makes sense, but I tried my best. Yeah.)

Anyhoo keep at it man! 

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on February 18, 2019, 07:42:41 AM
Lego makes a fine point. As a creative, you are your product essentially. You've got to be on the ball about advertising yourself. But really, being a 'true' artist and being a successful one are not mutually exclusive. The image of the starving artist is heavily romanticized, sure, but as with most heavily romanticized things, the truth is often a living hell. The only reason people make such a big, noble sounding deal about it is because it makes them feel better. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but you can't get stuck in that thinking.

There's no law that says you can't be authentically successful.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2019, 02:35:28 PM
hardly done any hands, I'm afraid, but only because I've been doing so many WIPs, so at least I'm not lazy haha

hmmmm a timelapse of my WIP stages? I didn't think of that. Almost every other Youtube art video is always just one image from beginning to end, so that thought hadn't crossed my mind. You think that would be good to post?
My art videos could use some love too.(my 3d videos are wayyyy more popular though haha)

as it happens I did take a timelapse once anyway, here it is. It's unlisted since I don't know what I'm doing on youtube. Or maybe that's exactly why I should be uploading it? to see how everyone reacts?
let me know what you guys think
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/v/s5AgjUye4m4
I have no idea what I should be doing video-wise lol. I get lost when it comes to anything not pure art haha

Marketing yourself is a skill as much as art is a skill, and everything else as well. Everyone starts out not being able to do it. Like we were all beginner artists who said "I can't draw", but wanted to, and here we are now better than before. It's the same with selling your art, you start off with "I can't sell my art", but we want to, and you go from there.
Trouble is we enjoy doing art and spend our time doing that, rather than learning marketing skills, because if we wanted to do marketing from the beginning, we wouldn't be artists, we would be skilled salespersons thinking "Now if only I knew how to draw I could sell it".

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Why aren't we being flooded in with requests?
For me, I'm too busy doing art to find time to advertise myself. I don't even have a commission price page lol - like how do I even expect to get commissions haha

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I am so unwilling to spice up my profiles that I think I actually work against the image that I do art.
100% me too XD
I totally feel you on that front Lego, I don't use Instagram or Twitter or anything except Youtube and Deviantart, and both are severely lacking in affection shown to them, for almost the same reasons you stated, although I'm a bit more "I have no idea what I am doing or where I am going. I just want to draw", but I don't really go for all the glittery advertising as well.
I'm just trying to produce stuff and post it on those two for now, and see how it goes. At the end of the day, I think the more skill I have the more I will get noticed, so as long as I don't stop drawing and posting stuff I'm sure it will have some sort of success. Being proactive and posting to the right places, now that's the business mind that I just don't have, yet. Gotta keep thinking that it's a skill to be learned, not an innate ability.

I'm sure as Coryn says, there is a way to combine it and not feel a bizarre form of guilt/hypocrisy :P

At the end of the day, I personally would rather be an insanely skilled artist, but never sell a single thing and do something different for a job, than to make a living of what I consider to be inferior art (I mean realistically I will always feel my art is never as good as it can be, so maybe I don't mind as long as I'm confident that people won't be disappointed by the quality I produce). Of course I would love to make a living off my (future) insanely good art but I'm putting all my EXP points into art at the moment haha. I still do plan to try and grab some commissions this year regardless of my level, as I think they will help me to expand and improve.

"I just want to draw really well, everything else is a bonus" - suuper
(^_^;)

have a WIP page. I'm deliberately not posting all my stuff to avoid that pressure.
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/tOUzA1Q.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on February 18, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
Whenever I go on social media I think what am I doing here.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Gabryel on February 19, 2019, 05:30:00 AM
Advertising oneself on social media is a nightmare lol. Hate it so much.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 19, 2019, 06:27:57 PM
Dual sword gal is bae. I think I'll be stealing her soonish.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 20, 2019, 07:59:14 AM
@Keanfox yeah me too haha
@Gabryel yeah I think we can all agree on that :P
@Lego thankin' you. be sure to let me know what you thought of my video I posted :P

have a wall of WIPs. click to enlarge slightly. took 80 minutes. started to feel that burn near the end and my proportions and workflow went a bit off course. well, that's the largest number of WIPs I have ever processed in one go so at least I know my current limit now. would be great to get to 100 in one go but I think the filesize wold murder GIMP lol.
Also I have a cold and I'm sneezing all over the place >_<

(https://i.imgur.com/LNDo7AR.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2019, 04:30:41 AM
My attention span is legendary.

Dude that video was exactly what I was looking for. Your work flow is really interesting to look at haha! I wish I had that. Great stuff suuper!

For these new WIPs I'm excited for

Butterfly girl

4,0 (X,Y axes)

4,2 (Paintbrush gal) 4,3 (Kawaii ice cream gal

and 5,4 (Hair flowing) - Because I'm interested in seeing how you suffer working with hair like that muhuhahahahaha

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 22, 2019, 06:30:39 AM
good good maybe I will keep uploading my art videos then. The only thing I am worried about is losing my subscribers that are only interested in the 3D stuff. Although I'm probably worrying over nothing?

working in bulk on a single stage certainly helps my workflow, it's a similar effect to the regimes. Almost every time i finish or ink a set, I find myself thinking I could have done XYZ faster, or added more details here or there and stuff. If i was just working on a single image to completion, there's too many factors you are working with at once to properly notice anything you could improve methinks.

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Because I'm interested in seeing how you suffer working with hair like that muhuhahahahaha
You sadist!!!!!!!
But yes, I too am interested to see how I handle it. Doing nice flowing strands of hair is a difficulty to get looking right and balanced, and my hair rendering hasn't been upgraded for years.
You should have seen the original old WIP it was awfully arranged hair - completely random directions and stuff.
A lot of my older WIPs are very similar and more generic so there aren't too many interesting ones. I'm clearing them out ASAP to get my flow of current WIPs working.
Also, ice cream? I don't remember doing anything interesting like that lol. 5,2 was a snowball tho.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2019, 07:56:03 AM
Brainfart. Too early in the morning. Snowball gal with nice cap.

I need to look into this working in bulk thing. It might help me out quite a bit for my own regimens.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 22, 2019, 09:28:57 AM
It's good to try a bunch of different workflows, I think bulk is definitely my calling. It also has the added advantage that I feel compelled to finish the page of sketches I have started, whereas if I was doing them one by one I might feel "a bit tired" or "not quite motivated" and stop when I could have achieved more. Also it saves on all the time switching brushes, as I use the same brush all the time on each stage, and I start to build up momentum after the first one or two, which I call my sacrificial warm-up pieces, but they normally turn out acceptable anyway.

anyway here's 9 WIPs I inked. Seriously someone needs to tell my WIP-organizing past self what counts as an acceptable piece for inking and what needs extra detailing, because half of these were insanely hard to do. took 80 minutes.
Have a before and after GIF, click to enlarge. First number is sketch time, second number is ink time on each image.

(https://i.imgur.com/GzvlWT1.gif)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2019, 11:13:50 AM
Your speed is insane! And this is exactly the sort of thing I need. Damn if I could reach just your level of streamlining I'd be churning out comics like there's no tomorrow. Your linework really makes your WIPs come to life. Thanks for sharing dude
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 22, 2019, 01:58:37 PM
thanks. haha I'm still way below the speed I want. I always have some crazy idea about what's possible and the more I refine the higher my goals get XD

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if I could reach just your level of streamlining I'd be churning out comics like there's no tomorrow.
haha well I keep saying that to myself but I always find another skill that needs polishing. When I catch up with my WIPs a bit I think I'll try putting some manga pages as WIPs and see how I process through them.

I think with a bit of practice at finishing sketches you'd be just as good. You mostly only produce initial ideas and concepts, super rough sketches, so they do need a bit of love and time to get the sharp finished quality about them. From what you've done in the past for finished pieces, you already have that ability stashed away anyway.

trouble is you can't really focus on all your skills to improve them at once, it's best to focus on just one or two I think.

As an example of different workflows, inking a piece could either be "drawing really accurate lines slowly" or "quickly drawing lines wrongly and erasing the overshoot and wrong bits". both could be viable but really you want to have the one method that works the best for you. Testing out a new method on a handful of drawings at once is a good way to get over the initial hurdle of getting used to the workflow and to see if it works for you.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 24, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
Well I had a bunch of time today so I figured I'd try and copy Devola's art style (as I said I would) and engage in a bit of self-loathing at the same time XD
I have never spent so long not knowing what I was doing, seriously.

Took THREE AND A HALF hours, almost the exact same time for each piece. Just look at all those stacked numbers. That's how many stages I went though for each piece.
Also I spent an hour beforehand copying a bunch of Devola's art to try and pick the style up. Probably if I did that a couple of times I might have gotten it down a bit better but had to balance my time.

-First time IIRC properly trying to emulate someone's style. I noticed my own style habits kicking in all the time so the pieces were leaning towards my own style more than I wanted.
-Got lots more respect for your skill now Devola although I had plenty before.
-Like how do you shade even?
-What does the grey even do and why is it so confusing lol
-Don't mind the sloppy erasing that caused a funny shadow border around the charactersFixed it mostly never mind
-Feedback welcome

Click to enlarge

(https://i.imgur.com/1bMCR2d.png)

I learnt a ton about shading and I've certainly got some ideas I want to try out now and trying to think outside my normal pieces was a good experience.
At least my DA can be busy next month :P
I'll link back to your DA page Dev if that's alright.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on February 24, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
Even if it's a style copy, the shading really does bring out a whole new depth that I haven't seen in your stuff before Suuper! It also helps that Dev uses a lot more active poses than you do. I think both really help in this instance.

As they say though, good artists emulate, great artists steal. You've definitely identified something that you've been missing in your own stuff. Use it to bolster your style!
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 24, 2019, 03:14:45 PM
thanks! I certainly learnt more than I expected :)

Yeah since I started doing all my WIPs I've been sticking to cel-shading but there's only so much depth you can get from it. And yes dynamic poses certainly help.

I also found that because of the last two months I've been mostly working on only a single stage of an image at any one time, that when I worked on these I was able to switch a bit more cleanly between the sketching/inking and keep the workflow nice and speedy.

I also noticed plenty of areas I wasn't able to pick up the style at all such as shadows/hands/hair rendering. So I can appreciate the effort that goes into copying someone else's style really well.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 24, 2019, 03:28:08 PM
Dude this is amazing stuff. It really bings a whole new spin on ypur works.

Funny you mention that Coryn because that's a grand theme I'm thinking of a lot these days, 'stealing like an artist.'

Slight misconception - I rarely do sketches. If they're sketches they have guidelines. I just rarely polish my works. On that note, I want to document my processes better by at least having Gifs or before - afters, so that people can see how I work better and that I can record my process better.

Also inb4 Draw Like That Raider workshop.

Question super: Do you feel like you have a style or are you still working your way towards it? I know I have 'habits' but haven't really sensed a style yet.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Coryn on February 24, 2019, 03:33:19 PM
I mean I 'steal' all the time in my writing. Or rather, I see what other authors do that I really like, and try and parse out exactly what it is about the thing they do that I like that makes it that thing. I suss out the core concept, I guess you could say.

I fully credit my progress to learning from other authors. It's the plight of the self taught writer I suppose. But sometimes the 'stealing' is just learning proper technique. Hell, I discovered an element of dialogue formatting last week that I'd somehow been missing for years. We shouldn't always equate an artist's entire style to purely being 'style'. Some things are just basics we've overlooked. My current writing wouldn't be what it is without a lot of contemplation on the writing of others.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 24, 2019, 03:49:05 PM
@lego thanks
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Also inb4 Draw Like That Raider workshop.
I legitimately considered it lol

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Slight misconception - I rarely do sketches.
Perhaps that's just our different interpretation of what a sketch is, perhaps. To me it's just any rough drawing, so virtually everything I do I call a sketch.
Either way, yes it would be good to see some stages-of-art gifs and some polished works from you!

I think I would agree with the "I have a habit not a style" at the moment. Technically yes it is a style, but it doesn't feel like one. Although I'm trying to be very broad in my abilities so I might end up with a not very distinct style for the most part, or at least, more than one style.

I mean I 'steal' all the time in my writing. Or rather, I see what other authors do that I really like, and try and parse out exactly what it is about the thing they do that I like that makes it that thing. I suss out the core concept, I guess you could say.

I fully credit my progress to learning from other authors. It's the plight of the self taught writer I suppose. But sometimes the 'stealing' is just learning proper technique. Hell, I discovered an element of dialogue formatting last week that I'd somehow been missing for years. We shouldn't always equate an artist's entire style to purely being 'style'. Some things are just basics we've overlooked. My current writing wouldn't be what it is without a lot of contemplation on the writing of others.
This basically sums up a lot of where my art skill has come from and yes some things (if not quite a lot) are basic "fundamentals" that a lot of people know and use, so it doesn't really matter where you learn it from. Quite possibly we are learning it before we think we are, and we only notice at the tipping point when it suddenly becomes our own knowledge and not "something I learned somewhere else"

Even reading a book you learn vocabulary which you then go on to use, and there's nothing wrong with that. Same with art, but the concepts aren't as simple as vocab, and that's possibly why people call it stealing :P

I'm quite happy with how my art is moving forward, and now I have methods for trying out new styles, as I have just done, and basically just doing everything in bulk seems to work for me. Trouble is one day I know I'll have to drop the quantity to get the top edge quality, but by then I don't think I'll mind so much. Either that or I'll just power through it because I dont want to give up the bulk haha

PS forgot this one
(https://i.imgur.com/MJNy6GP.png)

aaaand this other one which was a test piece for Devola's style before my bulk mentality kicked in.
(https://i.imgur.com/LmKFV9m.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: devola on February 24, 2019, 11:47:14 PM
Hey these are very cool Suuper! I think you did a great job going out of your comfort zone to try something different (something I could certainly do more of), so I'll try to have some proper feedback for you when I get better. Sorry I was so late in responding to this, I got sick the past couple of days and haven't been on the computer much while I was recovering, but I'll try to drop some feedback now.

First I think you captured the essence of what I do pretty well, which is that I shade nearly all the sketches I do. It's mostly a form of practice to get comfortable with understanding/practicing lighting/shading while I sketch, 2 birds 1 stone kind of thing, there's really not much more to it. I think it's great to see you do this as this has given your sketches a much more complete look to them but still a sketch like appeal. It really makes your characters have more agency to me, like they occupy the space better.

I'm a big believer in iterative drawing so the fact that you took so many "stages" to each drawing is a good sign you got what it's like to draw like I do. My general process starts with a very rough thumbnail, then a rough sketch, then a slightly less rough sketch as I work out the problems and clean up lines, then another "less" rough sketch this time with shading, and so on. This is more or less so that I can compare, see and correct my mistakes as I do each iteration of a drawing. I sometimes only post 1 or 2 versions of a sketch but you'll notice there are big differences usually between those 2 sketches of the same character, that's largely due to this iterative process that I take.

As for how I shade things, it's a little hard to describe but it essentially boils down to a combination of practicing with lighting studies (which I'm sure needs no explanation) and stealing techniques from my favorite artists. As the others have already stated, there's nothing wrong with borrowing or stealing techniques from your favorite artists, that's where most of what I can do comes from to be honest. I think Coryn may have mentioned that the difference between copying someone and learning from someone is to fully understand what it is you are copying then take all the aspects that appeal to you and evolve your art from there. Eventually your "style" will form as a sort of amalgamation of all the best/most appealing aspects of your favorite artists and take shape as something unique. That's the hope at least haha.

Lastly, the whole grey background thing. This is a lot more straightforward haha. Basically I draw with the grey background because there's less strain on my eyes than a white background. That's more or less all there is to it. This was something I picked up from Slam here on the forum as well one of my favorite artists, Krenz Cushart.

I'll have some more feedback for you about specifics and possibly red lines if you want them regarding my style and the way I draw once I recover but for now I'll just drop this here and hopefully it sheds some light on what I do.

Keep in mind as well I have a lot to learn from you and from everyone else here on the forum as well (I've already "stolen" plenty from Lego, you and several others) so I appreciate you attempting to do something like this and I'm really quite flattered that you picked my art style to try out. A "Draw Like That Raider" workshop sounds like a good exercise too. Anyway, best of luck with your drawings and I hope you keep this momentum up!

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 25, 2019, 02:21:04 PM
oh dear get well soon!
yeah my sketch stages did include a couple more under layers than I normally do, partly because of working with details that I wasn't comfortable with I couldn't draw as naturally. The top lineart layer was also more loose than normal keeping with your typical style. As much as I do like iteration, I want to do without it really and just sketch what I want lol but it's too hard XD
ahhhhhh thats a good idea for reducing eyestrain. I use f.lux as a screen dimmer and blue-light remover at night when I work (but not great for colouring at all). I'd be inclined to remove the grey before exporting the image though? I always thought it was like for balancing light and dark colours and making glowyness pop XD

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Eventually your "style" will form as a sort of amalgamation of all the best/most appealing aspects of your favorite artists and take shape as something unique. That's the hope at least haha.
Yeah that's what I'm hoping too XD
I get a lot of input from other artists but I like to figure out my own stuff from my own studies as well.

Some redlines and insights would totally be awesome although, don't push yourself though, when you feel like it :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 26, 2019, 11:27:19 AM

I like the colouring on your latest post, but that grayscale really makes the image pop. It's really convincing that she's in knight armour and stuff. Man I look forward to drawing good looking armour at a point.

Glad that you're glad with your progress so far.


@Devola Haha the only thing you'd be likely to glean from me is how to dishonor proportion-sama. Get well soon Devola.

And yes, red lines when possible would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 26, 2019, 12:40:50 PM
yeah I might do more grey backed stuff and more greyscale stuff at some point. Need the shading practice as well.

hands. can't be bothered to count. the is the only hands page I've done since my last hands page I posted. Just can't get it together for the regime but I'm doing lots of other art.
(https://i.imgur.com/AkPIEhX.jpg)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on February 26, 2019, 05:41:38 PM
Always a good thing when you have a lot of other stuff that you're actually doing. Lot's of these don't have my 'spikey fingertips syndrome.' They look convincing in space and emotion. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 26, 2019, 09:20:44 PM
thanks.
ughhhh the number of times i kick myself for drawing spikey fingers XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: OviumNoir on February 27, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
Well I had a bunch of time today so I figured I'd try and copy Devola's art style (as I said I would) and engage in a bit of self-loathing at the same time XD
I have never spent so long not knowing what I was doing, seriously.

Took THREE AND A HALF hours, almost the exact same time for each piece. Just look at all those stacked numbers. That's how many stages I went though for each piece.
Also I spent an hour beforehand copying a bunch of Devola's art to try and pick the style up. Probably if I did that a couple of times I might have gotten it down a bit better but had to balance my time.

-First time IIRC properly trying to emulate someone's style. I noticed my own style habits kicking in all the time so the pieces were leaning towards my own style more than I wanted.
-Got lots more respect for your skill now Devola although I had plenty before.
-Like how do you shade even?
-What does the grey even do and why is it so confusing lol
-Don't mind the sloppy erasing that caused a funny shadow border around the charactersFixed it mostly never mind
-Feedback welcome

Click to enlarge

(https://i.imgur.com/1bMCR2d.png)

I learnt a ton about shading and I've certainly got some ideas I want to try out now and trying to think outside my normal pieces was a good experience.
At least my DA can be busy next month :P
I'll link back to your DA page Dev if that's alright.

I see you're still stubbornly devoted to your studies, impressive to a scary level - but here as Coryn said you now changing background means you're forced to get some values in your body studies, something (i personally) haven't seen in your work before (but maybe that's because I've been gone so long lol)

It's good to see the improvement you've made in a short span of time but I think even more so to see the extra dimension added (value) to your work allows me to see where you're at a little better, you're doing well. Onward and up
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on February 27, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
@oviumnoir haha well i want to get really good XD
yeah the more i learn, the more i realise i dont know, and shade/value is one of those :P

latest:
A new shading style which is just a messed up cel shading style, and a new hair shine style which I really like.
Starting to lose my inhibitions about finishing linearts and coloured pieces now which is great.

(https://i.imgur.com/T1AaUDx.png)

edit: have some lace I spent an hour figuring the method out. Cant wait to try it on something.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pgXkhbL.png)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Lord Kesashi on March 01, 2019, 06:06:26 PM
Your skills are growing and your characters definitely become nicer to look at over time. One thing I could suggest is to do more "masterpiece" work. Drawings that you spend a large amount of time on. The fear of days of work going to waist because say for instance, on the 3rd day, you realized the eyes weren't symmetrical, will pressure you to setup your artwork more efficiently to make those kinds of errors impossible.

We draw from imagination a lot as manga artists, but we don't have to. Don't be afraid to try and find out what different positions look like in real life. Either by photographs or in a mirror. I wanted to take a look at what could be improved in the posture of your characters to make them feel more natural.

This is something I learned from animating 3D models: When one part of the body moves to do something, the entire body moves with it. For instance: Try jumping without moving your neck, it will feel incredibly unnatural.

Blue - Basic flow of the body.
Red - General Outline Changes
Purple - Arrows showing what changes were made
Green - Detailed contour of the new body.

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Number 1 it might be better if her arms flowed slightly upwards instead of downwards, but it's not that important.

Number 6 isn't bad, it's just not the way someone would ever position themselves when using a sword and shield. What's sticks out is how she's holding the shield too close to herself and the sword directly out, but down low. Pointing the sword out isn't wrong, so that's up to you, but holding it down low and perpendicular to her arm increase the torque pressure on he wrist, so she would prefer it be as parallel with her arm as possible. That way her whole arm is handing the torque of the sword. Holding the shield further away makes it easier to defend yourself with it. The way I've positioned the sword and shield on her makes it easier to balance the weight in that stance, and it's more defensive.

Number 7 is really nice. Just wanted to say that.

But one thing I noticed can make some of your drawings unnattractive is the way you approach the neck. An important thing to note is that the neck doesn't move much when the head turns. It's more like the head pivots on the top of the spine.

In Number 8, turning the torso helps the head more comfortably turn to look behind her. Otherwise, her neck would be very strained. As I mentioned, the spine is reacting to the head turn because the entire body is moving together.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 02, 2019, 07:23:43 AM
thanks for your detailed feedback! I really appreciate it.
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When one part of the body moves to do something, the entire body moves with it.
I am very aware of this, but knowing which bit moves what way is a whole 'nother story haha
and yes you have exactly picked up on the things I am kind of trying to work on, especially trying to get more natural poses, as I often just draw the arms and legs in random positions in an attempt to get away from the standard "arms at side standing" pose that I always draw. I am painfully aware that some poses don't look natural, but I congratulate myself for trying and move on XD
necks are a real pain to get right when drawing angles, and I do draw from reference but not nearly enough. I'll keep that in mind as I move forward.
Drawing heads looking back is a really hard one to get right, I did take some photos of myself and realised how much you can't look behind yourself without twisting your torso a lot.
Action poses such as the sword and shield are a very weak point of mine, partly from lack of practice and also lack of imagination. I literally had no idea what pose would be natural as I haven't used a sword or shield myself haha. I'll have to do some more detailed studies to boost my abilities in that area.

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One thing I could suggest is to do more "masterpiece" work. Drawings that you spend a large amount of time on. The fear of days of work going to waist because say for instance, on the 3rd day, you realized the eyes weren't symmetrical, will pressure you to setup your artwork more efficiently to make those kinds of errors impossible.
Funny I actually recommended this a while ago to someone else, and then I tried it myself much later and yes it seriously does help. In fact, amongst a few other things, it formed the basis of my current mindset, workflow and current high output streak that I'm on.
At the moment I'm working on a faster workflow with less details and less accuracy (because I hesitate too much when drawing for no reason - I'm trying to cut that out), but I will definitely try a longer piece every now and then. it helps to know what your maximum skill is as well. I doubt my 'masterpiece' time would be more than about 6 hours to be honest. I would literally run out of things to do.
making errors impossible has a very nice ring to it, and it's totally something that I think would be great to achieve.

my WIP processing method also helps in noticing mistakes though the sketching process, as often there is a large gap of time between the stages so I come to each sketch rather fresh. but it's not the same as working on a piece the whole way though. Unfortunately I think the downside is that the sketches become rather generic, but we'll see :)
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: KeanFox on March 02, 2019, 08:58:59 AM
I get the point. In traditional art you have no place for errors. In digital errors impossible mindset can lead to frustration and quitting. Allow yourself to make mistakes then go back and fix them. Digital allows that. Even if the sketch is perfect as you color it new mistakes appear. Learning how to spot the mistake then fixing them seems easier than making zero mistakes. Watching digital artist draw they make many mistakes then fix them. Thinking that they are perfect and draw without making any mistakes makes it feel like you can't reach that. It helps to demystify them, take them off the pedestal.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 02, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
that is indeed true, and yes seeing the speedpaints of pro artists does help to relieve that feeling that they are perfect, but drawing with the mindset "It doesn't matter if I make a mistake, I can fix it" is something I'd like to avoid. To me it sort of means that I am allowing myself to make mistakes rather than drawing it right first time.
Thats a bit different from changing your mind about a piece, like deciding to change the pose etc, because that's not a mistake. Or maybe it is?

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Learning how to spot the mistake then fixing them seems easier than making zero mistakes.
It is certainly easier, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is better. As an extreme example, paying someone to draw my manga for me is probably easier than doing it myself!! But really my goal is to become a zero-mistake artist, even if that is impossible I want to try really hard XD
I am aware it's a very high hurdle, but that's my choice :)
strictly speaking it's not "make no mistakes", but "make mistakes so small they can't be noticed normally"

knowing how to fix mistakes is a very good skill to have and one that I will no doubt gain, even if I try to not make mistakes :P

Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: Action Animation on March 02, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
@oviumnoir haha well i want to get really good XD
yeah the more i learn, the more i realise i dont know, and shade/value is one of those :P

latest:
A new shading style which is just a messed up cel shading style, and a new hair shine style which I really like.
Starting to lose my inhibitions about finishing linearts and coloured pieces now which is great.

(https://i.imgur.com/T1AaUDx.png)

edit: have some lace I spent an hour figuring the method out. Cant wait to try it on something.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pgXkhbL.png)

Loving the color pallet
Indeed your style continues to improve

Your hands especcially show.progress
Keep up the great work^^

-Action
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 03, 2019, 12:14:32 PM
thanks!
I'm doing a focused study on hands for the next month or so so hopefully they will improve even more!

My goal for March: 100 linearts in a range of different brushes, thicknesses and "styles", whatever they are. I can think of 4 styles at the moment, like "loosely inked" or "no gaps" or "range of line thicknesses" but really I'm not sure what to do. Hopefully I'll figure something out :)

I'll focus on colouring for the next month.
Also this month gotta try and get those requests done and do more hands >_<
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 03, 2019, 05:15:49 PM
latest copying scribbles. trying to just loosen up everything, everywhere. I'm way too OCD for my own good now so that's gotta go.
Also playing around with brushes and settings, shortcuts and methods. Just doing whatever.

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Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on March 08, 2019, 08:15:53 PM
You know what? I've been gone for like three months and there are three new pages despite the fact that I changed my settings years ago to have the maximum number of posts and threads per page, and that is all I need to know about what you're up to, ya loon.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 09, 2019, 06:23:00 AM
I too have the high post per page setting XD
Yeah things are moving forward and sideways and every which way at the moment. definitely progress but it's really strange at the moment.
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 13, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
changed my mind about 100 linearts, simply because I want to clear my old WIPs promptly and get on with processing everything normally. All the old WIPs need an extra layer of work to correct all the proportion and pose issues from when I knew even less about proportions than I do now.
So the aim is to adjust about ~500 WIPs to my current sketch level (takes about 3-5 minutes per piece), then I can worry about inking stuff next month. Really I'm taking on several years worth of WIPs in a very short space of time. It's something I should have done wayyy before but hey you learn right. I'm taking the opportunity to change/add details and make them more interesting as well. Doing these'll take priority over everything else.

Also I'm working an extra day a week (3 days a week now) so my drawing time is feeling the squeeze. At least when I quit work the second time I'll have enough savings to carry me into professional arthood.

(https://i.imgur.com/DMwqq3N.png)

my universal get-good-at-art scheme is starting to look like years and it's annoying knowing that I can't speed up the process much. Not depressing, just annoying (>_<)
I just wish I could study everything all at once lol
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: MahluaandMilk on March 13, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
Me too on the wanting to study everything at once. I have all sorts of books on history, occultism, music theory, and art that I have yet to poke through. I just want to do it all. Unfortunately, life has a habit of getting in the way of that, amirite?
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 13, 2019, 06:22:15 PM
Now that you remind me I also want to study bits of history and mythology for boosting my story writing and character design.
Not just life getting in the way (why, oh why...) ,but often other studies get in the way haha.
The best way is just to knuckle down and spend minimal time on social media, Youtube, random browsing/surfing and so on, so you get the maximum time free. As much as I love long baths I'm even showering more instead to get the extra time XD
Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: legomaestro on March 14, 2019, 05:47:53 AM
Hahah you're hacking your day to get more time? Noice! I'm trying to readjust my waking up clock but that ish isn't working well. At least I'm managing to open my eyes before noon.

Social media is a bane. Social media is a pain. The thing is a roomate of mine has suddenly started making some awesome lettering art and I asked him... One year seeing videos on YouTube and he's gotten so far. It's crazy how simply looking something up and doing it regularly can get you a long way.

Also you and Mahlua totally with you on researhing stuff like that. Cheers on the studies, and loooking forward to your leap into pro arthood hehe

@Mahlua I have so many books on architecture and one juicy one on Japanese history with great images I could reference and the like.


My next regimen is going to take a minute after I'm done with this one. It'll be more of a 'rule' than a regimen. I want to use references for absolutely every image I do to nudge my art more in line with proportion sama and to fill up my passive visual library.


Title: Re: Suuper's manga (+digital and 3D)
Post by: suuper-san on March 14, 2019, 01:55:30 PM
going to sleep earlier helps with waking up early obviously. I find that better as I can wake up earlier if I wasn't as tired, and get up if I feel like it, but I can't go to sleep late and have a good morning. It's good to get the right amount of sleep as it contributes to a good mood which leads to better productivity. As well as giving your body and mind the time to rest and process stuff you've learnt.

true, but there's a definite difference between random "hey this breakdancing penguin is fun I'll repost it" Youtube videos to actual instructional videos for the point of learning skills. I do occasionally watch the old art video and learn stuff although it's not the way I want to learn XD