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Title: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 05:01:17 PM
Ugh, writers block.

Plus, no one to discuss anything with. Also, wild ideas + half baked concepts = real annoyance.

So I was hoping we could have a sort of writer's Chit Chat Topic. To throw around ideas, break each other's blocks and plot for events in the writing commune on MR in general.


I'll start with what's bugging me: Who know's a good manga horror-action tale?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:02:43 PM
Ummm  :hmm: you thought about having something about werewolfs?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 05:05:51 PM
higurahi no naku koro ni.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
Yeah... werewolfs... i actually thought of adding a lot in one. But i'm leaning towards more helpless horrors (everyone knows how to gank a werewolf)

@ Coryn how good is it? I'm googling it now but have you read it? What were your impressions?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 05:09:12 PM
never read the manga. but the anime is amazing
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 18, 2010, 05:09:38 PM
How about a story where creatures attack people at night? They can even be in the safety of their home when it happens. Something like monsters killing, new reports but no evidence on the mysterious murders, some guy or girl witnesses one and gets out of it alive, they try to find the monsters cause they're stupid and they only bring a baseball bat or something, blah blah, horror scenes, create party>invite player, story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
Oh like paranormal activity (never watched but its a helpless horror)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
So long as it isn't too freaky

@ Coryn that sounds promising

@ Litt that sounds interesting. Of course it would only work out in an enclosed space. You get the horror requirement of attacking beasts with useless weapons, eh?  Baseball bat... hmmm... I'm sure i can find some japanese god which raids homes or somethin...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
oh an awsome place to take inspiration from is Resident Evil 1 or Biohazard to people in other countrys
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 18, 2010, 05:19:42 PM
@Socks: Wait, I never watched Paranormal Activity either...that's what it was about? Good thing I chose not to follow trend.

@Lego: So you wanna use Yokai? Well I'm gonna have to think up an entirely new idea for that. I'll get on that in a bit, some business to attend to.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
Something about a woman being haunted and being possesed and killing her boyfriend I think :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 05:25:17 PM
Resident evil is definately the right genre. I discovered that later when i could handle the freakyness. Capcom outdoes itself with horror.

This Higurahi no Naku Koro Ni thing is good...

So many ideas...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:28:10 PM
Oh no its seems like your soon going to idea overload and I don't think you should deal with zombies but keeping people on the edge with your story like they did with that game :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 05:32:26 PM
Well... zombie is a little too public. I like the unseen horror. More spirit like... But i could just make the zombies risen by an evil spirit...

So what type of zombie. Fast or Slow?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 05:33:48 PM
if zombies are small in number. fast. if large in number slow
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:34:35 PM
Fast, the resident evil 5, it scared me when zombies ran at me
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 05:37:33 PM
Slow zombies are best zombies.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 05:39:29 PM
Hmmm. Fast or slow?... both have their own good points...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 05:56:24 PM
what about a mixture, different types of zombies coulde be interesting
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:00:38 PM
Yes. Also involve crawling zombies, which move forth crawling over roofs, and on the ceilings. Very creepy if you hold your flashlight up, and one jumps down on you.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 06:02:56 PM
Damn. That is creepy. Spider-zombies. Just have to find a way to execute it well in writing.

So what about the Structure? What do you think of an exclusive School? On an Island?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:04:56 PM
exclusive school, makes it more true to life which makes it scarier (in my opinion) also there was this game where you walked under these gloopy things hanging from the ceiling and a thing popped out and grabbed you, super scary
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:07:51 PM
Hospital. Definately the creepiest place to find zombies. Also, they are able to defend themselves with needles and defibrilators, and you can make some get hurt and then heal with the items inside the hospital.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
oh forget what I said definately a hospital, so scary (reminds me of fear)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
... better think on that. I really hope to have some action. Don't love the complete horror. I might even add grim comedy. But... yeah, i just better think on it.

I'll take a break for now and see what sense i can make of all these notes. Thanks a lot Socks and Toasty... XD

... oh oh... don't think i can sleep now...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
just stop thinking about spider zombies and you should be fine  :D :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:14:41 PM
BOOH!

No problem. I'm experienced with these things. Used to think a lot about these things.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 06:16:07 PM
i could give you some really creepy ideas. but i'm hoping to work them into my own story somehow
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:17:15 PM
Hmm... We will get those ideas out of you somehow, Coryn.

Also, Doodler and Iceh's drawings might inspire you somehow.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2010, 06:20:22 PM
@ Coryn I'll get at those tomorrow... I'd be really interested.

wait, your story as in Coryn's Saga? Pshaw. Nothing could possibly be freaky to that invincible dimension hopping hero... or could it... ?

@ Toasty yeah, they could. There's an idea.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:35:26 PM
Oh god creepy things  :secret: must not think about them before I go bed
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 06:37:08 PM
think about it!  :laughing11:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:37:57 PM
Nooooo will not obey  :o :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
Don't think about zombies!

What are you thinking about?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:48:48 PM
Russel Howard, hes a comedian on TV and he is on my TV at the moment also I had to change the channel cause some chain saw massacre thing was on and that was helping me not think about scary things :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:50:23 PM
Texas chainsaw massacre... Also something worth downloading.

But you were supposed to say zombies. It's a line from "Inception". Although I think it would have worked better if I would come with something random and unexpected, like elephants.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 06:58:23 PM
ah see I thought I tell the truth but now I'm thinking of elephants
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 06:59:43 PM
I'm thinking of alternative universes, actually.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 07:20:07 PM
whats in these alternative universes?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 07:23:22 PM
Coryn Sken. Loads of him.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
I think you should tell him that
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 07:25:37 PM
He knows...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 18, 2010, 07:28:23 PM
I see  :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 07:41:18 PM
yeah. i know all to well.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 18, 2010, 07:42:39 PM
Yay! I'm so lonely Coryn, help me!

I'm bored. It's 1:42 am. What should I do?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lirne on August 18, 2010, 08:12:21 PM
I have something, you should go to sleep. :O
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 18, 2010, 08:14:39 PM
he does have a point. though if your dead set on staying up go to your favorite anime site and pick one you've never heard of before
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 07:50:17 AM
Nah, I fell asleep even before Lirne's post.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 08:42:56 AM
Good for you, toasty. I seriously had problems sleeping...
But as of now i'm attempting to write prologues to the story. I'll put them here for people to choose the best style.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 08:46:01 AM
Hmmm, curious. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lirne on August 19, 2010, 10:31:42 AM
Haha, It takes me forever to write one chpater of my story lol. Still writing too.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 19, 2010, 12:47:32 PM
Yay can't wait :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
sounds good. hmm.....*thinks of all the projects i need to get going on*....fml
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 01:53:56 PM
The three prologues'll be up in 10 minutes. It won't be much but i got sidetracked.

*rushes to beat the clock.*
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2010, 01:59:01 PM
will read them as soon as i can. moving out tomorrow so i got stuff to do today.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 02:02:09 PM
Moving out to... college?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
yes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 19, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
OMG college and still can't wait :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 04:02:17 PM
It's a lot more than i anticipated. May need to cut that short. Take your time, everyone. But please critic when you can!

Tell me what you think. I also want to try out a first person prologue, with Nozomi explaining her situation (and possibly other characters explaining it too.)

Any input is valued! Critic in the same chatty manner as always. I don't want scapels and magnyfiying glasses. Take your criticism from the heart. FROM THE HEART!

...




1: DAMNED HOSPITAL – You Know what you see. (Basically i wanted to jump straight into the action, with most descriptions provided by the characters.)


Nozomi survived being eaten alive within the first hour of the mutations because her little brother Kato was a cheekish boy, too interested in everything. Okuno saved himself from being eaten alive because he liked Nozomi, and Ishikawa survived because he was Okuno’s best friend, and he had seen the first zombies.
It all started like this: Kato had wandered away from the line of school students receiving the special vaccines prepared by the new hospital the school had been visiting. Nozomi saw him crawling away from his class line, and turning around a corner with stealth.
    Nozomi, being a very quiet girl, managed to slip away from her own line, and follow Kato. It took her ten corners to finally catch up with Kato, who entered a room with the sign “Morgue” on top of the door.
     “Kato!” Nozomi whispered furiously, and entered the room.
    The morgue room had all its cabinets and metal tables with various medical equipment on a room-wide counter, but there were thankfully no bodies. There was, however, a carton on top of one of the metal tables. Written on its side with a pental marker was “Personal effects: Suzuki Kazuhiro. Kato had pulled from this box a gleaming metal bad with a black grip.
    Nozomi whispered furiously, “Kato! What’s wrong with you? That’s someone’s things!”
     “They used to be…” Kato whispered, testing the swing of the heavy bat and carelessly banging it against a table.
     “Nozomi. What are you doing here?” A voice interrupted.
Nozomi jumped with a half scream and noticed Okuno standing in the doorway.
    “Oh… you… scared me. Who are you?”
Okonu blushed, “Well… I’m a classmate and- OOF! Hey!”
Ishikawa had bumped into Okonu in mid-sentence. His face was stretched in fear, “Somethings… Somethings wrong!”
“Wha-What are you!”
“Mr. Yama and the students… They began eating eachother!”
Before any could react, there was a loud scream, “No! Nooo! Help me! PleaaaseAAAAAAAH!”
Ishikawa and Okuno looked around to see blood had splattered the corridor they had turned through. Finally a large man in a security uniform began running out of the corner. On all fours like some sort of dog. Ishikawa and Okuno pushed through the morgue door with fear, and the zombie crashed into the door frame. He or it howled as it held its bloody head with one hand, and blood foamed at its mouth. A pure monster.
“Kato! The Bat!” Nozomi shouted as she inched back. Okuno and Ishikawa hiding behind her instinctively.
Kato threw the bat.
The zombie jumped.
Nozomi hopped backwards, grabbing the bat with one hand, then two and swung downwards, looking like some video game hero.
The zombie’s head cracked in two, and that was Kill # 1.





2. DAMNED HOSPITAL – You know more than you see (Provide Action + Detail)

The Hospital had been open a whole week, and was the talk of the town. It was strange to see such a technologically advanced centre be built in such a cozy, simple village community like Kuro Matsu. So when the trip to the massive building was decided, all students were very eager to go there.
     It was a large, white building made up of many squares. It was painted perfect white and its glass shone silver in the sunlight. Surrounded by the simple buildings and vegetation, it looked like a palace. “Kuro Matsu Central Hospital – For happy futures forever” It said on the large entrance arch.
     The building was on a height so a winding gravel road led up to it. Kuro Matsu Acadamy rolled through this road in five fairly maintained buses, and stopped at the front entrance, where three tall doctors greeted the students,
      “This way, young children, to a wonderous land.”
     The younger ones cheered, the older ones smiled, in general.
     The tour took some time, and there were so many turns and corridors. So many rooms, that each one would be lost, even with the help of the signs on the way. One of the tall doctors, who wore round glasses and smiled the most, finally announced a prize:
      “A vaccine, usually reserved for the most wealthy, is readily available for all. And no injection needed! Just a small pill and some water!”
     No one refused. For various reasons. But no one refused.
     Little did they know that things were too good to be true.
     Little did they know that the pills contained a compound that would act of its own accord to turn each consumer into a blood-thirsty zombie of any sort.
     As the total of seventeen classes, ranging from middle to high school, stood in line. A young boy Kato decided to give the group a slip and explore the hospital. His sister, Nozomi, noticed immediately and followed. Nozomi’s secret admirer, Okuno, followed Nozomi whilst Ishikawa remained a little… to witness his class teacher bite the neck of his favorite student, a smart girl, whilst three toddlers began biting others. Everyone beyond the line, who had taken a pill, were turning back in a flood. They were all biting, eating, screaming like mad things.
     Ishikawa ran, like many did, and noticed only too well how fast the zombies were. In seconds he could only hear his own breathing and footsteps, with the pathetic screams of victims filling the hallways, and finally, with luck or intuition, he found his friend. He bumped into him, screaming,
“Somethings… Somethings wrong!” But that was a badly under-explained statement.
     But he was supported by the sudden screams of a man being eaten, and a zombie ran out of a corner, foaming at the mouth and yelling madly. Ishikawa and his friend ran through the door, freaked. The zombie bashed into the side of the door and held its head and glared at the group with annoyance. It jumped towards the girl it faced and found itself smashed on the head with a metal bat, swung by Nozomi.
That was Kill # 1





3. DAMNED HOSPITAL – You know the basics (yeah, just skipped through key details to provided a quick prologue)

A large, prestigious hospital was finally completed in the small town known as Kuro Matsu, and it was the talk on everyone’s mouth. It was almost too good to be true, to finally see the silver glassed, white walled building in the middle of such a basic area.
     A week later, a school trip was organized for Kuro Matsu Acadamy to visit the place, and the students were all excited. They arrived at the entrance, and the long tour began, amazing the students with the cleanliness, the size and the amount of organization. Sometime later, the leading tour guide announced a surprise: Free vaccinations were to be provided for all.
     They were apparently of an expensive, exculisve type, and it was being given for free! Plus, it was in pill form, so none refused. The teachers took the first pills and the students followed suit, waiting in patient lines.
     In the middle of this happy distribution, a young boy known as Kato sneaked off to explore the maze of the hospital himself. His ever watchful sister, Nozomi, followed him.
     In turn, her secret admirer, Okonu, noticed and followed her, just out of impulse. Ishikawa his best friend began moving after him, then held himself and decided to stick with the line, but that was when things went wrong. People began eating eachother, the crowd of students who had already taken the pills surged back in a flood. Tackling, eating, screaming with insantity.
     Ishikawa ran from this, and out of luck or intuition, found Okuno, who had just opened the door to the morgue. Ishikawa screamed a pitiful warning, and a zombie who had once been a security guard caught up and charged for the kill.
     Ishikawa and Okuno ran into the room, the beast following. It bashed the door, and paused, allowing for a good look at it, and it jumped in the air, ready to kill, when Nozomi hit it with a baseball bat, scoring the first kill in the long day ahead, for the group of students.





Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 04:18:11 PM
If I'd have to choose, I'd go for the second one, although you might want to explain a bit more about the bat in that one. Furthermore, I liked it. Straight to the point, immediately to action yet subtile. It's good. Can't wait to see more.

Edit: Here's a motivating pic for ya.

(http://img3.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/0e4fdd947172fd8183a231f3b47e15de1234504700_full.jpg)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 04:25:36 PM
Haha. Zombies are giving me tens. (They're cute, too...)

Option Two, right? So, slip in a little more about the bat... I was sorta leaning to that or One. Now that you mention it, two sounds good.

Oh, the dead owner of the bat is a combination of two names of famous japanese baseball players (Suzuki Ichiro + Sasaki Kazuhiro = Suzuki Kazuhiro. Just a titbit.)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 04:28:34 PM
Nice detail. Indeed, two is the best for me. Just some more details about where the bat came from before some zombie's head is blown with it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lirne on August 19, 2010, 04:33:13 PM
I like how 2 ended, Seems interesting, and #1 doesn't seem right when I read it. and as for #3 doesn't seem right either. I'm going with #2.  :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 04:40:26 PM
Alright, now i'm definately sure i'll go with 2. (With the little correction suggested by toasty, of course.)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 19, 2010, 04:45:25 PM
I really really liked the story and I liked the second one as well but I thought it felt more personal from the first one, made me feel more involved :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
Glad you liked it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2010, 04:55:10 PM
i would go with two like the others said. but one important detail you've left out is what the vaccine is for. i think very few people will line up to take a vaccine they dont know the reason for
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 05:01:06 PM
Oops...
The vaccine is (apparently) a supplement against the common cold and a number of viruses... Is that convincing enough? If not, any ideas?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 05:04:18 PM
An anti-zombification vaccine? Would explain them turning into zombies, because of overdose maybe. A vaccine does exist of the disease, but weaker, right?!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 05:08:27 PM
Yeah, but i meant viruses like polio... uhm... Swine Flu... e.t.c... The regular ones.


An anti-zombification vaccine would suggest the world already knows zombie viruses break out, and make the horror less special...  yet if that was the case it'd be very easy to convince someone to take a new vaccine... hmmm.... Choices, choices...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 05:10:16 PM
Or they're just very, very paranoid.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 05:16:05 PM
Hehe. Very paranoid. It'd work for such a cut off town, however.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 19, 2010, 05:24:35 PM
cancer is always a good one. but other things like the common cold would work just as well. or just a new type of flu
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2010, 05:28:42 PM
Cancer... Flu... Cancer... Flu.

I'll go with flu, less complicated (at a glance... microbiology is never simple)

So a 'flu vaccine' turns children into monsters... what went wrong? I think i'll try dealing with that question, and maybe start writing the story. Thanks, everyone. Thanks a lot. I'll ask for some help some other time for sure. Right now i want to flesh out the story, and before that. Sleep.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 19, 2010, 05:32:14 PM
We're impatient to see what you make of it. At least, I am and I think I speak for all of us.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 20, 2010, 05:27:15 AM
Yay more story,, that remind me I need to get on with my story  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2010, 04:04:44 PM
Okay, I've got the hospital planned out and characters meshed out so that i have a basic outline of how the events of the horror play out (it takes a day). Before i make a 'Develop Your Story' thread i was wondering if you could check out this first chapter i typed, and suggest something. I feel its missing something... Something to set it apart from the rest... I'm planning to add grim humor... but there's just something.

So any suggestions are really welcome. Don't worry. It doesn't need to be profound or deep or anything. Even the simplest suggestion like 'give her red hair' would help. I just need that spark...

Anyhow here's the chapter. I'm naming each chapter by Stages, in order to give the horror a video-game like tale.


STAGE 1: Morgue Killing

    “I-is it dead?” Ishikawa whispered.
    Nozomi tapped the things split head with the bat…
    “Dead.” Nozomi exhaled, and began trembling with fear, “What happened, back there?” She asked Ishikawa, who breathed heavily and stared at the body.
    “Everyone… Most of them… just became like this.”
    Nozomi paused, then walked past Ishikawa and Okuno. She kneeled down next to her shaking brother, patting him on his head, “Shh. Don’t be scared. It’s alright. It’s all alright. You’re tough sister is going to protect you now, okay?”
    “But that man- his dead… you-”
    “Shh” Nozomi hugged Kato tightly. Kato sobbed.
    “What’s happening?” Ishikawa whined loudly,
    “Idiot. What do you think? Zombies.” Nozomi mumbled.
    “But… they don’t exist. It can’t –”
    “Fine… call them whatever you want. If it makes you feel better.” Nozomi stated. She stood up, and thought, I must not give in to fear. In trouble, remember to breathe.
    Nozomi leveled the bat straight up in a two hand grip and performed a breath exercise. Once done, she held the bat with one hand.
    “You took Kendo lessons before, haven’t you?” Okuno asked.
    Nozomi looked at him, “Yes.”
    “Wow- me too-”
    Three male High school students rushed into the room, blood on their jerseys. Nozomi prepared her bat but realized they weren’t zombies.
    “Help us!” The foremost shouted at the group.
    “Close the damn door!” Nozomi ordered. Just as the boys turned to close the door, a mass of hands grabbed each of them and pulled them violently out of view. Their loud screams were soon cut short.
    “Damn!” Nozomi cursed.
Okuno moved forward to shut the open door,
    “Don’t! Let’s go to the back of the room! Overturn the tables!”
Okuno stopped and ran back, along with Ishikawa. Nozomi ran to the back of the room, which was against the morgue lockers. She overturned two metal tables, assisted by Ishikawa.
    Okuno busied himself overturning tables on the way to the back of the room. One of them proved tricky, and fell onto him. Okuno crashed to the floor, groaning in pain.
    “Okuno!” Ishikawa screamed from behind the two-table shield.
Okuno struggled to escape, and through the door the most unpopular Biology teacher, Mr. Takayasu, walked in, smiling with madness. Blood dripping from his red mouth. He noticed Okuno, and lunged for him with a grin.
    “NO!” Ishikawa screamed.
    “Stay here!” Nozomi ordered Kato, and jumped over the table.
The teacher grabbed and pulled Okuno to his feet. A bloody hand over Okuno’s mouth muffled his screaming.
Nozomi jumped, her short hair flying and skirt straining, then she swung sideways. Okuno was smaller than the teacher, so the teacher’s side was exposed. The bat hit this with a crack, and the zombie yelped and stepped back. By this time Nozomi had landed behind it and she swung backwards to its head. Kill # 2.
    The teacher zombie toppled over dead. It moaned its last undead breath and stayed still over the table that had pinned Okuno. Okuno came to his feet, shaking with fear, and blood over his mouth.
    “Come on.” Nozomi pulled Okuno back to the barricade. Four more zombies stepped into the room in an orderly fashion, sniffing, growling.
    “Damn.” Nozomi prepared her bat.
The zombies took a step, then there was the sounds of many footsteps and someone, a woman, shouting, “Come, this way!”
    The zombies stopped, screamed with a horrible mixture of pleasure and anger, and ran out of the door, in the direction of the sound.
    “RUN!” The woman screamed, and that was the last the four heard of that group.
Okuno wiped his mouth and breathed heavily. Nozomi and Ishikawa looked at him, then Nozomi stood up,
    “You guys need weapons. Look for something useful to use.”
Okuno stood up and stepped over the table, then went to the counters, looking in the overhead cabinets and such. Ishikawa remained and when he saw that Okuno was out of ear shot, whispered,
    “He... practically tasted the-”
    “Find a weapon.” Nozomi whispered back.
    “I’ve found a bonesaw.” Okuno said.
    “Good.”
    Ishikawa opened a cabinet and produced a scapel, “What about this?”
    “You need something better. Get four of those, though, we need one each, just in case.”
    “I learnt to throw shruiken once…” Ishikawa mumbled. Nozomi was surprised, but she nodded.
    “Sister…” Kato tugged at Nozomi’s skirt.
    “Yes?” Nozomi looked down at him with a small smile.
    “Take these gloves… They were in the box as well.”
    He presented her two black leather gloves. Nozomi placed the bat on the table and tried them on. They were an almost perfect fit.
    Finally, Nozomi had her metal bat, Okuno had a bonesaw, Ishikawa stuffed a bunch of scalpels in all his pockets. Kato only had a scapel.
    “Kato, did you sneak in a cellphone?” Nozomi asked him hopefully.
Ishikawa and Okuno looked at Kato… Kato bowed his head sadly,
    “No. I’m sorry.”
    “It’s okay. Don’t worry.”
Nozomi looked towards the morgue door,
    “Let’s go.”
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 20, 2010, 04:12:10 PM
I could just taste the blood on his lips, even thought I'm eating chips right now. Anyhow, a bit more description, and a bit more horror (flickering lights, darkness etc.), and it's good. Althought to make it your own, it's going to get hard. I can't quite think of something right now. Anyhow, make that thread.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2010, 04:23:17 PM
Movie horror effects! Ah, thanks! That'll work. I'm good at descrip but try to tone it down to follow manga rules. I'll adjust it a little.

Time to make that thread now.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lirne on August 20, 2010, 05:35:06 PM
You should give a character description, since there are more then 2 people, I don't know what and whats looks like in my head.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 20, 2010, 06:25:06 PM
not bad with the chapter. as for the story as a whole you should consider the ultimate cause of the outbreak. whether it be random or a plot of some sorts
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2010, 10:23:46 AM
@ Lirne. I'd like to try but then a big info dump slows down the story. I'm planning on having basic illustrations of the characters to avoid this.

@ Coryn. Honestly i'm not real sure. I'm thinking plot of some sort but it'll be simple. Don't wanna get arrested by the technicalities of biology nd stuff.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 21, 2010, 11:55:47 AM
well you dont have to get into the biology of it too much. basically with zombie outbreaks they are either natural or artificial. artificial is where the virus was caused by some sort of human activity. this is what you got. then we get down to accidental or organized. accidental would be if the intention was not to make zombies but something else. like has what been presented so far. organized would be if the zombies were purposely created to be zombies. then its down to controlled or uncontrolled. controlled being that the people who created the outbreak are still alive and that having the outbreak was some sort of plan. uncontrolled being that the outbreak wasnt supposed to happen or it was and it went wrong somewhere. in this scenario the people who started it are usually dead but that doesnt have to be the case.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2010, 12:16:52 PM
*Copy Paste*

Zombie plot handbook. Very Useful...

I think mine goes like Artificial, Organized, Uncontrolled. Or is it Artificial, Accidental, Controlled? Eh, haven't got to that part yet.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 21, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
well work on it. your not so far into the story that it matters yet so its fine. though it might be easiest to make all that into a flow chart. hm...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 22, 2010, 10:45:39 AM
I liked it, it scared me when the zombie teacher walked in :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 23, 2010, 05:01:48 AM
Yes!

Glad it worked!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 23, 2010, 05:47:48 AM
I just realized I put zonbie instead of zombie, sorry guys :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 23, 2010, 06:08:29 AM
No problem, really. You could just modify the post, though, and say that there.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 06:48:00 AM
*sneak checking boards on my phone*

with all these zombie stories (still need to read them... Seriously guy why not all of you start up like two new stories each while I'm away x_x) floating around I cam up with a way to create zombies from catgirls XD

anyways typing this out so indont forget...


Bout 20-50 years in the future from now gene alteration and splicing have come into use so much that they are a full blown part of fasion. As the public experiments in new combinations to be on the leading edge of the trends and styles that sweep the world new diseases start to appear. With a large ammount of the worlds population having atleast a few animal genes diseas that used to only affect those animals start to mutate to spread to the new available populous. Rabies is one of these mutating diseases. As it begins to affect humans the mutations seems to have increases the severity of the disease causing those affected to lose their minds and act on the most basic of all instincts, to feed. Though this new monstrosity created by the mutated strain of rabies may not be undead it acts in a similar manner but it can still preform other tasks like the lving, the rabid can reproduce and comumicate to a slight degree putting a new twist on the classic zombie situation.



Anyways sorry for kinda dumping that there but I needed to write it down somewhere and this was right here...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
interesting. though yeah if your going to use it as a story best make a develop your story topic for it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 23, 2010, 08:59:52 AM
Hehe, aye. That seems like a good explanation for a story. Makes me remember I have another story idea on my mind too, but I'm not going to bore you guys with that.

Ok, I'm going to finish those pages for Sai's story!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 02:06:35 PM
hmm i dunno about making it a full story, i mean i dont have a terrible ammount of time to play with... i may start thinking of stuff since im kinda on lockdown down now and write it up in my handy dandy notebook...

also it would be extremly hard to take catgirl zombies seriously so it would probably end up as a comedy/horror which ive never even come close to writing O_o


it would give me a good chance to get back at all teh stupidity ive seen in zombie movies though... hrmm


well what do you guys think, think i hsould try and take it on or let it sit till im done with chimera or get a better idea?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 23, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
zombie cat girls??

Anyway this story is very detailed and nice. This definately calls for a 'develop your story' topic! I would like to see aero's horror writing style. You do know a lot of sciency stuff so i'd bet there'd be a lot of intricatacy in it.

So... since people are using genes to become beautiful all the zombies will be hotties, right? Oooooooh. (Also, now i get the zombie cat girl reference)

...

(... Have you thought about hydrophobia? A major characteristic of rabies infected organisms is hydrophobia, right? ... Wouldn't it be kinda anti-climatic to escape using water and stuff...)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 03:39:32 PM
hmmm thats true... i guess i would put the characters in the midwest or sumthin putting a quick escape out of the equation, though it may be nice to be able to jump across a river n get away from a hoard chasing after you


hmm... i guess ill start thinking of stuff n writing it down, ill come up with a topic after i get some substance to it... though i am thinking of calling it "Rabid"


grr thats not that comical >_<
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 23, 2010, 03:43:53 PM
More of a pun, isn't it? Like if you named it Catnip or Scratching Post. I'm thinking Litter Box.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 23, 2010, 03:45:16 PM
I can has do art?

...

Pretty please?!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 23, 2010, 03:48:30 PM
^ Litter Box - hahaha


But now that i think of it, Rabid zombies, despite their hydrophobia, would definitely be troublesome.

You know those scenes where the combatant hero/heroine holds a zombie at bay with a pole?/ The hero is grounded and keeps the zombies head away? And the zombie drools/salivates/bleeds on her? Usually that's just an 'ew!' moment...

In your story's case however that means infection... Unfair!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 04:35:25 PM
haha yeah thats true lego

as for toasty doing the art... dude i havent even done anything yet!?!?

anyways if you really want to you can draw up some sketch ideas and well see what happens
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 23, 2010, 04:36:27 PM
You still have another story in the works [aero], do you have the time to be going off with other stories? :laughing11:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 23, 2010, 04:37:42 PM
@[aero]: You gotta look at it from my perspective. I get to draw Kitten-Zombies!

!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 04:41:52 PM
@Litt: writing wise yeah i can handle it fine, its all this drawing shenanigans that gets in the way XD

@Toasty: very true hahah
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
well you might as well write both stories simultaneously. the way you've described it chimera could take a while anyways. and it's not like you have to keep writing so you'll have something for the anthology. at least not for now.

though comedic horror? i've had ideas for it before. with characters like mine i can afford to do that *censored* without having to worry too much.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 05:09:36 PM
yeah chimera will be taking a while, not sure what the length for this would be...


comedic horror is kinda turning out to be hard to think of... im trying to keep off zombie land but its proving hard to do >_<
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
the key to having comedy in a zombie story is to have characters who know very well what they are doing and therefore have time for comedy.

for example i'll use my group of friends. we have spent many many hours in serious discussion on what we would do incase of zombie attack. we've figured out all of the details of such and event and know what we would do in most cases.

now i'm not saying what we've planned and such will all work out and we'd all survive and stuff. but the point is you would want a group of survivors that are like that. prepared and knowing what to expect
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
ah so like a group of college kids or sumthin that have a zombie plan (my friends have one XD)


hmm... i think i have a few ideas... ima go work on em a bit eheheh
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 05:32:10 PM
yeah there you go
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Monsterful on August 23, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
@[aero]: You gotta look at it from my perspective. I get to draw Kitten-Zombies!

!!!!!!!

You're doing it wrong, IT'S A ZOMBIE KITTEH!!!!!11!eleven!

Btw Zombies and comedy can fit together pretty well *coff* <---*coff* 

Take zombieland for instance, BRILLIANT XD

Wathever comes out you'll be sure I'll read it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 05:54:52 PM
though i never understood the immense zombieland hype. wasnt bad and all but by the end it just turned into another boy meets girl type movie staring michael cera's evil twin. or is michael cera the evil twin?  :-\ either way i guess.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Monsterful on August 23, 2010, 05:57:31 PM
Well yeah the the whole boy meets girl thing is what keeps the movie away from being perfect.
Now Tallahasee's mindless/crazy/lunatic zombie killing rampage is what gives that movie a hardcore 10 in action/comedy :O 

Well that and the survival rules, Hilariouuus! The girls really screwed the movie up lol xD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
yeah. though wish they kept the rules more prevalent as the movie went on. not necessarily  talking about them in the dialogue all the time and such but just having like new ones come up in the background when they happened throughout the movie.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 06:07:35 PM
Hmmm... Characters are definitly proofing to be hard for this.. I know I need a badass and an idiot but do I need more or should I leave it at that? Do these characters start in a group or meet up over time? Lots of stuff to figure out...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
group with a few extra add ons. since the zombie plan already being there is kinda critical to this. and really i wouldnt have the badass and the idiot. you've got to space it out so everyone is awesome at something but also has their own flaws. think of something like the A-team
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Monsterful on August 23, 2010, 06:13:54 PM
The personalities can vary but plz PLZ DONT ADD GIRLS lol, I'm not being mean here, seriously if there's a girl there's love... Don't deny it >.> That screwed up zombieland.

Stick with the group of friends and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 06:17:21 PM
/agreement level is over 9000
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
That's a problem though, if everyone is awesome how do I get them into the classic zombie situations that are just dumb... Like ooh look a mall let's go there because it has hundreds of windows and tons of entrances that we would have to blockade...



@Monster I was thinking of having the badass be a girl but I agree that there shouldn't be romance. I was thinking of havng a scene where someone sees someone they really like running from zombies and it's like " incoming romance~" then just have em trip wih epic fail in the background or something stupid like that
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 06:24:12 PM
let me be more specific then. everyone has their own specific talents that help the group. none of them are rambo here and they all need each other to survive. make sense? and just cause you are talented at something doesnt mean you cant be an idiot at the same time. even if you have a smart guy in the group he can easily be voted down by the not so intelligent
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
That's true, though using the A team as an example didn't help that point...


I wonder what specialities a group would have access to though...

I could probably over exagerwte a lot too like say an Asian is in the group and he has one of those sword racks at his house... Instant weapons expert XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on August 23, 2010, 06:32:47 PM
let me be more specific then. everyone has their own specific talents that help the group. none of them are rambo here and they all need each other to survive. make sense? and just cause you are talented at something doesnt mean you cant be an idiot at the same time. even if you have a smart guy in the group he can easily be voted down by the not so intelligent
"The zombie rate has gone up by 46% in the past two hours, and is still rising."

-"Nerd."

If that's what you mean. To the rest of the thread:
/epic agree
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
well the point with the A-team was that they all had their specialties

and yeah exaggerating that kind of thing is good if you want to do good comedy. though for specialties there would be like the tech nerd, the sword rack guy, guy with guns, speedy dude, tank, general smart person, the driver

EDIT: @toasty - yeah stuff like that too
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
Hehehe now I'm thinking of havin like team fortress two intrances and stuff XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 07:29:24 PM
lol. if you can work it in well go for it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 23, 2010, 11:05:34 PM
Since horror is becoming a trend here and I've recently seen Halloween candy in a store, why don't the writer's all try writing a horror story for Halloween? :laughing11:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 11:09:02 PM
hmm... depending how far i get in arc two i've already got that covered. i dont want to waste any ideas on that subject with another story
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 23, 2010, 11:16:01 PM
Daww, it would have been fun. I guess I'll still give it a shot though, and then when Christmas rolls around do one for that as well.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Monsterful on August 23, 2010, 11:39:45 PM
CRUD! Halloween is almost here Oxo I gotta work on my Halloween monsterful special! XO

I can do some drawings if you guys do write a horror story. (too is my style too cute for it? : (  ?)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 11:43:34 PM
sounds like it will be awesome.

though i dont know. we still got two months till halloween. if i get past the one part of my story i'll probably write something too. maybe MR themed
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 23, 2010, 11:45:28 PM
Haha, I was wondering if you were to mention your actions for Halloween anywhere. :laughing11:

What I had in mind for the stories were kind of free though, pure horror or comedy type like [aero]'s. I might try to write two since I'm never tied down to anything (bad of me). I'll try to refrain from any drawings though, cute or not horror bothers me mentally, Franken Fran is an example.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Monsterful on August 23, 2010, 11:47:10 PM
Frankie Fran :heart: I love her as much as I love Sally the Doll  :heart: And Emily the Corpse Bride :heart:
Oh my undead muses... LoL

well I think it's a good idea, we should give it a try.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 11:50:28 PM
Hahaha this sounds awesome, I think I can use the zombie thing for a haloween bit XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 24, 2010, 12:01:23 AM
If zombies have been taken I'll try taking another route...vampires...werewolves....demons, shadows....ooh, sounds nice.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 24, 2010, 12:03:39 AM
i'm just going with *censored*ed up *censored*. for now at least
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on August 24, 2010, 12:34:50 AM
Haha censored censor
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 24, 2010, 12:36:09 AM
sometimes that thing makes jokes better but sometimes no so much methinks. not very nice when it comes to stories
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: socks11 on August 26, 2010, 06:05:35 AM
I think it would be awsome to write a halloween story :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 31, 2010, 05:54:54 PM
So i stumbled upon this very interesting writing genre/fad. It's unique, interactive and generally interesting. Plus, it's japanese in origin (and they're plenty more +'s to it) Dunno if everyone will be as interested as I am, so i won't make a new topic. But let's discuss!

Oh, first, the links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone_novel

and http://www.textnovel.com

I for one am setting up an account already. I mean, its interactive with facebook and all. Its the perfect way to at least accomplish one thing as a writer everyday!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 31, 2010, 06:02:44 PM
interesting. though when i click that second link i get a page saying account has been suspended
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 31, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
I've actually heard of this....in a manga. :laughing11: It was in Bakuman when one of the character's girlfriend wanted to try writing as well and so she tried writing a romance with text novel thing. I guess I'll try signing up as well, seems fun, though my cell is crap. :confused:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 31, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
@ Coryn ah?! I thought that was just my net acting up! Oh man, i hope it hasn't been shut down or anything>> That would be unfair!

@ Litt  Oh? Interesting place to hear it from. I hear you when you talk about your cell... :(

... i hope things work out... even a little. I'm really interested in this thing for some reason
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 31, 2010, 06:47:28 PM
Apparently there may be something about moving to a new server or something for textnovel.
http://twitter.com/TEXTNOVEL
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 31, 2010, 06:56:54 PM
Oh. Yup. It tells the whole story... thanks.

Judging from the earlier messages the textnovel thing is really big... Its amazing how many cool worlds are hidden out there. As soon as the server returns i'm starting up!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 31, 2010, 07:11:24 PM
though for some reason i can see these guys charging a pretty penny for each text.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on August 31, 2010, 07:14:24 PM
Apparently there used to be this thing about them having total rights to whatever you sent but that happened to stop after some people didn't like it. I'm going off some blog.
http://writethatromance.blogspot.com/2008/06/why-i-wont-be-joining-textnovelcom.html

If they charge for the texts I'm probably not gonna bother though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 31, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
yeah i would imagine. its an interesting concept. but i dont know if i will bother with it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 31, 2010, 07:45:25 PM
Ah? That slipped my mind. Yeah i'm out if they charge for it... Wait... I 'do' have this 500 MB Mobile

Dongle device that uses the cellphone network and sends text messages so maybe i'm scott-free? I'll try it out to see if am lucky...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on September 01, 2010, 01:53:34 AM
It's back online, textnovel that is. I'm checking it out now.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 01, 2010, 04:32:31 AM
Share your thoughts!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on September 01, 2010, 02:19:03 PM
I'd love to, but I didn't spend too long on the site, and I'm having complications signing up cause I messed up somewhere. Anyways, they apparently have a manga section for stories, that's interesting. I'm gonna see if you need to pay or whatever now.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 03, 2010, 07:54:53 PM
so i had another story idea today while i was taking a shower figured i write it down here again like the last one n get some feed back on it, check to make sure its a little original

so, set in the future again and were keeping with the genetic alterations though the key difference here is that eventually people start to see how far they can take human abilities, strength, speed, memory, sight pretty much just trying to make humans better overall. eventually there is a breakthrough that starts discovering psychic abilities, telekinesis, distance seeing, mental links all that good stuff. now the company starts to market these genetic alterations as they look deeper into whats capable in this area. eventually they come upon an ability the keep for themselves, a sort of mental possession. the way this works is one persons mind takes over the other persons, this has been shown to be dangerous though because the mental suppression can sometimes disperse the targets mind (brain dead basically) so they started to try storing the other persons mind temporarily while the possession was going on, since the operators mind was empty at the time it made sense just to store the mind there. so now with a working and relativly safe version of the possession technique, the company decided to bring in some business for it, whether it be controlling the actions of an enemy or rescuing a hostage. the possibilities were limitless when you could put a trained professional into the sad position of some political hostage or a business master in the place of an enemy company about to buy out a monopoly of the market. the company that invented this new ability soon created a new secret division for a group of people who would be working in this area, and began to take jobs from anyone who could pay the right price


ugh.. im a little brain dead myself from homework so ill wait n see what you all have to say about it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2010, 08:25:58 PM
Ah, mind stories. Funny thing, i'm making a collab with someone concerning the same thing.

It's real tricky finding the right writing style for this. You could go from dramaish (sticking to facts, decreasing action) or thrillerish or full-blown action. I chose thriller/action because i hate writing technical details. Reading them yeah but writing...

Hmmm, everyone seems to be a bad guy in this, though...

Oh yeah, don't forget to find a conflict. There countless stories to tell, obviously, i suggest choosing one. (Who knows, it may branch out into a franchise and fan-fiction writers will take care of all the other aspects.)

Uh... I'm being totally random but i hope the suggestions help...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 03, 2010, 08:31:02 PM
i dont really have a conflict yet... or characters... jsut kinda the world >_>

i figured if i took it further it would be an action or dark action... i dont think i would like writing a drama considering i dont like watching or reading them...

i dunno i write down stuff like this all the time, i just felt like sharing to better ones with you guys
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2010, 08:35:41 PM
No problemo.

But now... ugh, sorry, i'm sooo sleepy... 2:34 AM at the moment. I'm at my limit. Later
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 04, 2010, 05:17:29 AM
interesting concept. though would be interesting to know what kind of story you plan to write with it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 04, 2010, 01:04:51 PM
i think the easiest would be a cop/james bond thriller but i would like to do something more interesting then that
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 04, 2010, 03:03:04 PM
Okay, lemme throw ideas:

You just have to be unpredictable and/or unique. Find an aspect and lean hard on it.
You know, James Bond in itself has a slightly shallow approach to technicality. The appeal for it is because it advertises a lot, shows off babes, and the character's coolness is so exaggerated he actually is cool. So in your case, you could choose one aspect (Character, Technicals, Advertising (This'll be tough in writing, i admit. But you'll have art, right?) and lean on that.

Also, a good way to keep everything nice and tense, make the goodguy practically always loose, only to win in rare moments and only then with heavy losses. Make a Huuge cast of characters and start killing off even the least likely suspected, keep the reader on his toes...

remember i'm just throwing ideas so don't take it like i'm dictating the story for you ^^
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 04, 2010, 04:34:34 PM
no worries, i love hearing ideas they usually spark something for me

hmm even with how the action and stuff will play out i dont have anywhere close to a solid story for this

i dont have a conflict or anything... >_< needs more thinking
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lirne on September 04, 2010, 04:40:25 PM
Whenever I write something, I write it but I don't think about the chapters after that so when I start writing, I'm like oh **** this doesn't go well with what I wrote, and that always end up with me trying to rewrite the other parts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 04, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
nah not what I mean...

i mean i dont have a basis, chapters i wing but a general conflic is necessary otherwise it might end up as a journal instead of a story...

take bleach for example, it would be about ichigo n he gets his ghosty powers n stuff but theres no aizen or anything... it would be even more boring
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lirne on September 04, 2010, 05:08:35 PM
I have problems on the conflict too, takes so long for me to think up one thats good enough for the story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 04, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
nah not what I mean...it would be even more boring

Huh? You don't like bleach?

Anyways the conflict could be a coupla things. Govt - Vs. Civilians (Somehow, some dude pays off the company to produce those devices to ensalve an entire COUNTRY! Muhuhahahaha! Or maybe enslave a president!)

Or... Uh... Well, i'll admit, your idea is pretty hard to handle. It has so many branches...

But i'm depressed now since you don't like Bleach...


@ Lirne well  sometimes the problem isn't that conflict is hard to find but your in the wrong genre (In terms of Thriller, Action e.t.c Not in terms of manga) try out different stories, and if your not sure, make short stories and work up to bigger projects.

OR, give yourself limits (500 words per chapter) and see how the words keep coming even after the limit. They're many methods.

Oh, and taking things not too seriously can help ease your mind.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 04, 2010, 05:30:21 PM
i liked bleach but i lost it after harribel finally appeared or w/e her name is...

i was mostly sticking around to see her but around that time it felt really repetitive to me >_> (this is the anime btw i didnt read it)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 04, 2010, 05:40:05 PM
*Depressed* T-T 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 04, 2010, 10:28:44 PM
i liked the manga better. though on topic with the story. um....like some dude trying to commit treason within the gov. or something?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 04, 2010, 11:06:44 PM
treason?

how would that work out O_o
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 04, 2010, 11:43:21 PM
i dont know. i'm just spouting out random things to base a story from and treason just happened to pop up. think about it i guess?  :confused: i dont really know right now. ask me another time when i've done less tailgating in previous hours of the day
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 05, 2010, 02:10:08 AM
hahah alright
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 10, 2010, 08:10:58 PM
so this is something i've noticed. a lot of people seem to measure their stories my word count. which i just dont get. seriously when people say its so many words it really doesnt mean much to me since i just dont pay attention to that kinda thing. so am i alone here or crazy or what here?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on September 10, 2010, 08:15:21 PM
I don't find it weird or anything. If you were really planning to write for a manga in collaboration with an artist you'd need to limit what you write to an average word count per chapter. I try to keep about 1200+ words and go below or above that depending on ideas, it's not like I'll try and push myself too hard on it, but I still think it helps.

Though I do enjoy just writing everything that comes to mind and getting something like the last chapter of Arcane or the Monsterful fanfic, man those times I just let loose and it's so very refreshing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 10, 2010, 08:18:26 PM
i'm not saying not to measure how much is written or anything its just....why words? they seem like a horrible way to measure something. some words are super short and others are really long. the shear number of differences between each word just makes them a horrible measure of length. thats why i do pages. cause a full page is a full page.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on September 10, 2010, 08:22:39 PM
Well I guess that works, but seeing such a large number is always nice to relate your writing with, even if it represents the dislikes. I've never really wondered about short or long words in the count though since my writing doesn't differ, it has a set pattern and so it's monotonous, allowing me to estimate more accurately. I should probably work on that in Writing 2203. :tongue:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 10, 2010, 08:25:28 PM
dont know about you. but 150 pages sounds a lot more impressive than 49,144 words. the same way that two years sounds longer than 24 months.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 10, 2010, 08:41:33 PM
well formatting can mess with a page a lot, like my 2000 word chapters are like 10-12 pages long which doesnt really match up...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 10, 2010, 08:51:34 PM
still. pages are much more standardized than words
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on September 10, 2010, 08:54:54 PM
I still prefer words since it sounds more accurate, even though it isn't. I've been told to write a certain amount of words rather than pages in recent years of school too.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 11, 2010, 08:21:27 AM
Well i guess people use word count since there is a general amount of accuracy. I mean, the  standards for a short story, novella or novel have been kept almost the same over many years, therefore making it reliable.

Different book sizes, font sizes and paragraphing methods really affect the amount of pages something has, so its easier to say 'my story has 40000 words' than to say 'my story has 100 pages with a 12pt Times New Roman format'

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 11, 2010, 03:15:52 PM
yeah but unless you know how much 40,000 words is than it doesnt help you much. if you tell that to a regular person they wont really get it. tell em a page number and they do. and this is from personal experience its not like i'm just making this up or something.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 11, 2010, 03:17:44 PM
illl admit thats true, regular people wont get word count at all
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on September 11, 2010, 04:02:10 PM
I'm not one aiming for regular people, but you do have a pencil point, Coryn.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 12, 2010, 06:43:19 AM
Can't argue there.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2010, 06:23:23 AM
*Lego brings piles of paper to desk*
ahem.
*begins reading*
Greetings all sleepy writers *including myself*
- Well firstly I wanted to start working on making the MR based story. I'll begin it next year so yeah, first i need a genre!
- Secondly let's think of something to do for writers section to be active. Yes, we all have busy busy lives but there must be some way we can clock 1K words every week at least. Come on that's not too bad, is it?
So i was suggesting:
1 - We bring competition to the table.  Would writer’s battles be possible? Ratings come in fairly quick so we’d be able to hold them fast. (Holding them all at once would be a bother, though).
2 – We try creating MEGA MR story were all writers work together pitching ideas to create a short manga that’ll be completed over some months to finally be a manga (will need coordination with an artist). Us MRW would assign different positions  (The Idea Pitchers, The Researchers, The Writers, The Editors) This project would go at whatever speed necessary, so long as it goes somewhere.
3 – We help create a short DIGITAL MR magazine (My plan was to begin a Lightnovel magazine. Of course, this is just a concept but consider it, there are barely any magazines out there and we could collect the best and bring publicity to MR in the long run. We’ll be realistic, but enthusiastic ;) )

So what does everyone think?
… >.> <.< >.> <.< >.>

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on December 01, 2010, 06:34:34 AM
I like the idea, but I'm short on time as I have to go to school, discuss it with all the other writers and I'll get back to you at 7PM my time after I get home, nap, and then wake up again. :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2010, 06:38:51 AM
...

*After re-reading the sentence*

Oh. haha, okay then.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 01, 2010, 09:50:29 AM
hm...collab could be interesting. i'd help head that up if we did it. i've got some experience coming from the MRM so i could probably be of some assistance.

don't know about the digital magazine thing. specially since i dont know how it would work.

contest could be difficult to pull off for some of us with tight schedules and all. one thing we could do though would be something very short. something that would only take 5 min or so of time. like a haiku contest. someone decides the theme and the writers make one up. a judge or judges who did not participate in the contest would score each one.

and dont know what to tell you over the MR story. i've got two of my own in the works though. and from looking at how all these MR stories have turned out in the past humor will probably be your best genre pick.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2010, 01:53:51 PM
Well the magazine thing would need a lot more effort so maybe i'll try what i can to set up an example pdf and then i'll share with everyone THEN we'll see how it goes.

It's great that you could pitch into said collab and about my project maybe i should share the notes i have first before you could say anything.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Account Disabled on December 01, 2010, 02:20:55 PM
Back, I think I'll skip the nap for time's sake today.

About the magazine, would this include just writing or some art as well? I was thinking something like our own little reviews on new anime, manga, and etc. with other entries of art, stories, and all that good stuff.

@Coryn: Haikus....since when did the writers here have to do poetry? Well I'm for it, but half the haikus...okay, all the haikus I do are jokes for fun. :tongue: Wonder how it'd turn out though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2010, 03:09:00 PM
So no nap eh, good!

Yeah the magazine would have all that i get, but it should probably be focused, AND if we do reviews we should make sure they top any other digital magazines floating around out there.


On poetry i suck real bad but it'd be worth a shot. :)


Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 01, 2010, 05:07:53 PM
well haikus are fairly easy. interesting to try in the least.

and yeah lego comparing some notes would help
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on December 01, 2010, 07:10:16 PM
gah i missed this!

anyways im up for all this stuff, sounds like a lot of fun =P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2010, 07:23:14 PM
Actually i've just posted it, you haven't missed anything at all. And welcome back aero, you've been missing!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 07, 2010, 06:33:35 PM
So i've come up with a four paged document on my proposal for the major Writers of Mr Collab project. Check it out here:  http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php?topic=3648.0

I know everyone's busy, so take ur time. So long as theres something floating on the table for once...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on February 18, 2011, 04:02:16 PM
Hey guys! I have a question here, if you are typing a chapter of your story, how many words do you have in one chapter? And how many do books in stores have in one chapter?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 18, 2011, 04:08:22 PM
varies i would guess. i never go by words but by rough calculation about 10 pages double spaced will have somewhere around 5,000 words. though with as varied as different authors are with their books and chapters how many words they have would be pretty much impossible to figure out.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on February 18, 2011, 04:09:42 PM
True that. I guess I'll go for the 5000 then. Yeah, I'm working on the type O thing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 24, 2011, 07:43:05 AM
James patterson: A thriller writer who likes to bring the action quick and the reader guessing. Two paged chapters of a couple 900 - 1500 words

Tom Clancy: A historical, very technical and accurate writer who likes detail and accuracy: 10-30 pages of small fonted words. Chapters sometimes amassing 6000 words easily.

I'd refer for more accurate calculations but basically i fell that you choose the chapters according to audience and personal style. Stephen king has a great style of not using chapters in their regular form. He just makes a paragraph break, places a 'chapter' number, then continues a new paragraph. Some of these divisions have had as few as one sentence. He usually does this as the story approaches climax.

Also my dad told me not to concentrate on how many chapters or words there are just on: Have you explained what you want to? Basically make a chapter when you feel the time is right, and stick with your style.

So yeah, basically what coryn said.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on February 24, 2011, 07:49:42 AM
Thanks Lego, that clears some things up. I guess I'll go on writing later today.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 24, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
I better check out this story your talking about...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on February 24, 2011, 07:53:56 AM
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,3833.0.html

There you go!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: yukihana on March 26, 2011, 08:20:53 PM
I don't experience writer's block and hope to goodness I never do, step away from your writing material for a week or so, do anything and everything that is not related to your story.

Once the week has expired read through your story again, especially if you have a gap between let's say the middle and the end of your story, what scenes can you insert that would continue your story, can your main characters be seperated for a short of period if that has not already occurred in your story.

Can a new character step in and upset the balance type of thing etc.

Just keep rinsing and washing repeating over again if needed, no point to forcing yourself if something is not going to happen, like taking from the thin air.

All the best.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 17, 2011, 07:50:18 PM
So guys, tryna test out a new style on a number of one-shots. So i have this one-shot idea, could you help with input?

I want to make a Sci-fi or Fantasy Horror

The core theme is fighting against darkness.

For the Fantasy theme - After the end of a story, where the good-guys have lost against evil, darkness took over the world. (Literal darkness) This darkness is deadly and whoever is covered in it too long is torn to pieces or simply lost into it. The world has remaining settlements filled with light that try to fend off the darkness. There are agents of Light and Dark. The remaining good guys are trying to locate a 'light nuke' of sorts that'll illuminate the whole world (by explosion/ unlocking the sun or whatever)
the agents of dark are trying to pierce the settelements and generally stop the goodguys


For the Sci-fi setting: A planet-ship is on a long journey in space and sometime through it's systems start shutting down and as the process continues social order breaks down as people panic. Eventually the ship will completely shut down and everyone will die. A cyborg, given orders by a high-ranking scientist, is entrusted with a last remaining generator of sorts to restart the ship, however it turns out there is an enemy actively involved in shuttind down the ship, and they're after the cyborg.


Which?

Any ideas on how to shorten them into proper one-shots?

Any input appreciated.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 17, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
well i say the first one. but give it a sort of sci fi twist at the same time.

also cause i had a dream a lot like it once. world being engulfed in deadly darkness and what not. funny how *censored* like that works
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 05, 2011, 02:32:18 PM
Haha, now i feel bad about simply asking without doing anything about the project. I'll work on it some day.

Anyway Coryn, explain this!

*throws link on table

http://www.writing.com/main/portfolio/view/corynsken

You didn't say you got an account there. But i guess everyone agrees with me on your writing prowess. It's great to see they liked it. I'd have loved to see their reviews as well if they made any.

Are you going to post more?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 05, 2011, 03:55:04 PM
ehe. yeah that thing. no idea if i'll post more. i'm rather hesitant to put the main body of CS out there after all. my post some more life and times stuff if it ever strikes me as appropriate.

and can you not see the reviews it got?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 05, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Nope i can't for some reason... They must've been set as 'private' reviews. I always make mine public.

Well let's hope you find it appropriate to do so.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 05, 2011, 05:48:28 PM
umm...hold on. let me work some copy paste magic.


1)Awsome story!
My favorite line is "or space marines, or Mayas, or whatever the case may be.”

“The Maya shot you up?”

The flipent way the information is given in the heat of the moment and the by play was just right.

"forces Coryn to take alternate measures" alternate measures seems off somehow.
Perhaps change meathods, but that doesn't sound right either.

This sentence seems Alien yet familiar. Coryn. “Go time now?”

"He pulls out an unopened bottle of bourbon and opens it up" It's not nesesary to say unopened
as soon as they’re out of the door" isn't nesesary if we know that they are already out of the building.
My grammar isn't top notch but I know what I like.
And I liked this.
I used to use all advice given to me and I had bland stories.
Use what you want pitch the reast.
Read you later.


2) Awesome characters! Awesome plot development! Really really awesome diologue! Loved it!
The document as a whole needs a little...little polish here and there, but I really loved it!



3) First of all, let me welcome you to WDC. I see you are new here, and I want to reinforce the fact that you have made a great choice. You'll find many people here who are willing to help. So Welcome Aboard.

Now to your story. Please understand that what I write here reflects only my personal opinion, and whatever suggestions I might make are offered for your consideration; you are the final authority.

STORYLINE: This is an action-packed story with a number of characters. The opening paragraph functions similarly to a prologue, setting the time and place through exposition. This is fine.since the story commences at a fairly rapid pace until its conclusion. I can't be sure if this is meant to be a self-contained short story or a part of a larger work-in-progress. I suspect it is the latter?
TECHNICAL ISSUES: You have written this story in the third person POV. However, since Coryn plays such a major role in the story, you might consider writing it from the first person POV...This will have the added benefit of self-correcting some of its other weak spots.

You have elected to write the story in the present tense. This tense adds immediacy to the story and the reader gets the feeling she/he is involved in real time. The problem arises when you try and describe events that have taken place out of the present. This story contains some areas where there is tense disagreement. Additionally, there are some sentences that have subject/verb tense disagreement.
I noticed in a number of places you open your sentence with a participial phrase; this is okay but should be used sparingly. Try varying sentence structure, it livens up the forward movement of the story, and your readers will appreciate it.

On the whole, I enjoyed your story and look forward to reading more of your work.

Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 05, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Hahaha man, good job! Your knocking em dead, your work is good for sure. For some reason i feel pride...

Actually i'm relieved that my liking of this story isn't completely baised. Review 3 guessed theres more than meets the eye here.

On another note though it's probably ages away could you throw a date for arc 3? It's undersdtandable if its ages away because it's not a simple work to do but knowing would be great
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 05, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
well that's the trick isn't it? to be put bluntly i have three acts set up. and i wont get writing until at least act 1 is complete enough in my mind. the biggest issue is that i know how act one starts. i know a few events that happen in its center. and i know how act one ends and act two begins. which that part is slowly working its way out.

act two i have a concept for what is going to happen but no idea how to resolve it.

and act three i have the very end but no beginning or middle.

but at a guess. i'll probably have some content by the end of the year. i wan't to start now for sure. but if i do it will be like so many empty stories you see out there. just event to event with nothing in between
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 11, 2011, 08:20:39 AM
Check this out, guys

http://www.bleachexile.com/information/kubo-tite/

On it's own it's a pretty amazing story. Escecially how Akira Toriyama inspired even him. That makes the top three manga's mangaka (Kubo Tite, Kishimoto Masahashi, Eiichiro Oda) all inspired by the same creator!!! I have more respect for dragon ball than ever before!

Anyways just look at his methods on writing his story, i find it very interesting and clear to follow. What think you?

*adresses table
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 11, 2011, 12:06:01 PM
always saw him as a genius myself. hell if it weren't for bleach you can be damn sure CS wouldn't exist. Well at least not how it is today. probably as just some bad story that got rushed to conclusion by a novice.

but yeah. a lot of what he mentioned i managed to pick out on my own. especially with the white background thing. helps you concentrate on the character that much more.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 11, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
Yup i love that effect. All in all though i feel bad about how things turned out for him at first. I thought his nervous breakdown is what caused him to stop for a while but it looks like it was a result of the rejection. I am really glad it ended well for him.

And his inspiration himself writing a letter of encouragement! Now that'd be something... if that happened to me... oh man...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 11, 2011, 12:25:56 PM
it would definitely be something. i'd probably get it framed
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 11, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
I would definately do that...


Hm i was thinking, is it ever safe for a dark writer like me to venture into writing romance? Textnovel is piquing my interest again...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 11, 2011, 08:11:01 PM
well if you can manage to write romance then it is perfectly possible of course. there is of course dark romances out there. but my personal idea was i was going to write everything at some point. so really it's just whenever you want to attempt it. but as always do your research first so you know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: WriterOfSnow on August 25, 2011, 02:46:21 PM
Ugh, writers block.

Plus, no one to discuss anything with. Also, wild ideas + half baked concepts = real annoyance.

So I was hoping we could have a sort of writer's Chit Chat Topic. To throw around ideas, break each other's blocks and plot for events in the writing commune on MR in general.


I'll start with what's bugging me: Who know's a good manga horror-action tale?

I've always looked at the Persona and other Shin Megami Tensei series for horror stuff for some reason.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 26, 2011, 09:28:26 AM
Yeah those two. I really wish i could get into those stories. I never seem to get thae chance to play them. Shin Megami Tensei interests me in particular.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 08, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
bluh bluh so dead around here. mostly just posting to kill boredom for like 30 seconds.

so how's everybody's projects going? or not going as it were.....for some of you guess that could be true.

personally i'm working on a thorough. well thoroughish edit of arc 1. only 4 chapters in and i already want to go back in time and slap my old self in the face and tell him to stop being such a *censored*ty writer. there are things wrong with every sentence. i keep looking at it and thinking "wtf did that get put there for?" "Why are my explanations so long?" "It should have only taken like 3 words to say that"

long story short i've fixed something in about every sentence and adjusted/redid most of the dialogue. least it's something to do. back to bringing this *censored* back up to par then. l8r
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 08, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
mmmmm

writing chapter two



...still
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on September 09, 2011, 04:05:46 AM
mmmmm

writing chapter two



...still

Idem. Also been writing a practice thing about a fighting scene, gonna be posting that soon.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 09, 2011, 08:16:55 AM
Also feeling sucky for not having a writing project. Just read a novel and i've remembered which stage of descriptive writing i wanted to reach. (fortunately it's now want to reach)

Buying a mini dictionary again. For some useless reason i gave it away to a girl... oh wait i think she was hot.

Right now i'm just trying to catch up to some projects. I'm learning some CG with my friends but writing is still definately on the fore front of my mind. I guess i'll ignore the late reply's to Dystop and get along with the fights to finish it off.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 09, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Buying a mini dictionary again. For some useless reason i gave it away to a girl... oh wait i think she was hot.

sounds reasonalbe to me
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on September 09, 2011, 04:02:41 PM
o snap i totally never sent in another attack list for dystpoic blades


lego just shoot me a pm when you need that thing
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 09, 2011, 04:25:01 PM
so it was you holding everything up!!!

jk. srsly though. hows that coming lego?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 09, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
Yup am pretty much jammed up. I was just about to ask you aero for the movelist. Fabia and anime, though i'm not sure i'll be getting any help from those two...

I needed an extra fighter who hasn't fought before to fight against me, but Oran is the only one and i thought it'd be interesting to let a double sword user fight another (Coryn vs Oran) but i'll just scrap that i guess... maybe... i'll see.

So in a nutshell: Thinking about it, but definately working on it. Next chapter up within 24 hours
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 09, 2011, 04:46:50 PM
coolio. though yeah fabia and doodle are kinda lost to us for now methinks. i suppose you could always do a non one on one battle. have a 2 on 1. like have one person make a second move list for a second opponent.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 01, 2011, 06:01:53 PM
^ Just so you know i did consider that but i guess you know how it turned out.



I'd just love to hear you opinions on this.

In a sci-fi world with faster than light travel and planetary relations what not. (Think Star Trek / Star Wars, but without any major conflicts yet or only one type of super being. Forget all that)

How would you set about to conquering the galaxy? And i mean transfer yourself to this future, as you are. Sure you have some ass-kicking skills, and your smart enough e.t.c

How would you do it?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on October 01, 2011, 06:06:26 PM
Go back in time, bring dinosaur, threaten to let it loose if people don't listen, conquer earth.

Repeat for every other freaking planet in the galaxy.

????

Profit.

I'd need a really big cage though. But I guess I can make that happen.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on October 01, 2011, 06:10:13 PM
control the energy control the universe, in that scenario people will be using stars or even galaxies as energy sources, if people have to come to you to power their world your the one in control
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 01, 2011, 06:14:49 PM
Nice, patent the machine which allows to harvest the energy or you just being god-like like that?

@ Toasty Lol? Hahaha

I'd power up to level 9000 and threaten planets with my awesome powuh. Imagine, the afro haired emperor of the galaxy. Muhuhahaha!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on October 01, 2011, 06:40:03 PM
patent would be one way, you just need to make sure your the only one capable. if competitions shows up your now dispensable
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 01, 2011, 06:48:33 PM
True that.
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Post by: Coryn on October 01, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
gather a bunch of awesome technology. go back in time to before latest awesome *censored* got invented. use it to take over the place.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 01, 2011, 09:08:54 PM
Only a dimensional traveller would think like that hehehe.

Hmm maybe i'm going to far but this might be a peek into MR's psyche. Letsee here Toasty loves his cloaks. Aero loves energy and Coryn is a dimensions person. I'm uh... I like combs?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 02, 2011, 03:54:56 AM
i don't know. every evil dictator has got to do something awesome hair wise. i mean hitler knew what was up.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 02, 2011, 10:08:08 AM
Hahaha you've got a point there... Hmm... i'l change my answer then.

I'd make an elaborate plot and go through politics to set myself up with absolut powuh after betraying everyone and then i'd control things from there with my giant mecha army (with one specially designed for me of course, one that can pwn all others)

muhuhahaha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akiba66 on October 03, 2011, 08:50:04 PM
Speaking of mecha armies, i'm considering tackling  mecha project.  Just finished watching the original and revamped versions of Neon Genesis Evangelion and its got me a bit pumped. Outside of that and the ever expansive Gundam fanchise i can't think of any other good mecha stories out there to look into. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: [aero] on October 03, 2011, 08:56:11 PM
 gurren lagann

 Only mecha ive enjoyed
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Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 08:59:20 PM
yeah. definitely gurren. can't really think of many other mechas i've watched though. besides the already listed of course.

EDIT: scratch that actually. FMP. just ignore fuffomo or whatever it is since it was just a comedic thing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Man full metal panic can destroy your jaw in season 2. But it aint got nothing on gintama.

Neon Genesis Evangelion is always a great one, but the ending sucked so very badly. Gurren Lagaan is a timeless classic since it broke all boundaries. Seriously you should see the ESCALATION ON THAT THING!

I'm about to try out Cencoroll, and Dai Gaurd was apparently another land mark mecha anime so keep those in mind.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akiba66 on October 03, 2011, 09:16:57 PM
I'll check out Gurren Lagann and Full metal Panic. I'm kinda looking to do something darker with the mecha genre similar to NGE. Not trying to top it or anything but I would like to approach it from a more "sinister" angle.

@ lego did you see the ending movies for NGE? They were way better than the actual anime ending and explained things more though it was still pretty ambiguous.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
Yes i've always wanted to see them. It's better than what happened with the actual series though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nyosan on October 03, 2011, 09:22:09 PM
for NGE movies i already watched it and it's really good and for the other mecha anime i watched only isekai no seikhisi monogatari
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akiba66 on October 03, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Cool thanks guys. I'll check those out and see what i come up with. thinking of adding gothoic elements of some sort.
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Post by: [aero] on October 03, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
gurren lagann and fmp are kinda comedies >_>
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 09:51:04 PM
Yeah but Gurren lagaan isn't all flowers and sunshine all the time.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 09:56:16 PM
yeah. both shows have they're *censored*ed up points
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Post by: Akiba66 on October 03, 2011, 10:05:56 PM
anyone care to help me bounce around some ideas. ATM all i have is a dark toned Mecha story. Considering zombies given there current resurgence but with them being in everything it could be a bad idea.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nyosan on October 03, 2011, 10:12:39 PM
i still in progress to make mecha manga i don't know if that is good enough especially for the mecha i make and now still learning to paneling and make sketch design for the another mechas   
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akiba66 on October 03, 2011, 11:42:53 PM
Gurren Lagaan is pretty cool guys thanks for the plug.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 04, 2011, 07:07:07 AM
You have zombies in your mecha story? Interesting angle but beware of not sticking to one genre.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 10, 2011, 03:12:53 AM
So... how does digital publishing and distrubution work?

I once read an ebook online, just downloaded the pdf from a site. The person was an ameteur writer, and i found it pretty neat, that prospect of distributing your work in pdf form. Could this be done in a blog? I think it'd be an awesome way to go forward with my blog project.

(Hope you guys can make heads or tails of this thought process. Just occured to me.)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 10, 2011, 03:15:39 AM
i know what you're getting at. no idea how it would work though.
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Post by: legomaestro on December 10, 2011, 03:24:07 AM
Hmmm...

Oh yes on this blog business, i think i've given up on spurcing the page up, i think i'll post your story tonight. What do you think? I just wished it would be there when everything looked neat. But i'm so impatient, i know how busy i get within the week.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 10, 2011, 03:27:16 AM
well do you're best. patience is the key to success
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 10, 2011, 03:32:21 AM
hmmm, darn it that sounds so wise.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 10, 2011, 03:35:31 AM
it's a wisdom you can only achieve through experience.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 19, 2012, 05:30:31 AM
So anyone here keeps a document on all ideas and thoughts? If you don't do it now.

 I've just made one two weeks ago, and it is going nuclear.

Connecting the notes i put i'm really seeing ideas form and potential for more. Try it, it really helps.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nyxy on February 19, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
I keep notes on ideas its the only way to make sure I do not forget them. Sometimes I'll be writing a story and from that story another idea pops into my mind. While I may never write it its always good to save any idea to fall back on.

Lately I have been toying with the idea of seriously writing about my child hood growing up in NY some of the things my family went threw and continues to but its too personal with my little sister passing last year and my grandmother (which is what sparked me to start low down dirty) I have really been juggling the idea in my mind but I come from a family where telling your business is a big taboo and some of the stuff I would write about is not pleasant at all.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 19, 2012, 03:12:17 PM
not really. i've typed out ideas before for complicated plot situations. mostly because i couldn't keep track of everything that i wanted to happen. or more particuarly how it would happen that would make sense with itself. so mostly it's all just neatly filed away in my brain. luckily it all seems to make it into long term memory
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 19, 2012, 03:15:03 PM
Well we all use writing for our own ends and methods. If it really means much to you to writing you should consider going ahead with it. And for cases like these, a pen name and hidden names does the trick quite well. It's a very accepted method in the writing world.

@ That's plainly amazing coryn. I seriously think i have some sort of head problem, the way i forget stuff. People keep on saying its normal with how busy i am but sometimes i wonder...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 19, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
not so much perhaps lego. i often forget simple things that i've been doing for much longer. like simple math constantly getting replaced by calculus. and the calculus being replaced by other calculus.

it's cause the brain only has so much storage for any given person. so it starts axing somethings when you get new info. in my case it just doesn't push out my writing
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 19, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
Heh, i see. Well i depend on notes a lot nowadays so i guess that's just me.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: ReasonRevolutionaryVII on February 19, 2012, 03:46:28 PM
I don't know why but I gotta keep everything in my head until I put it into story. I can't write it out in the planning stage because I get the irresistible urge to change it  and it becomes an endless cycle xD.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 24, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
I wonder if it would be betrayal to the audience choose points in a story by rolling a dice? I've been thinking of doing just that to choose if a character lives or dies or if he wins a fight or loses. Only to a certain extent though...

Man i just love rolling dice...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 24, 2012, 03:54:24 PM
that's great two face. (hehe, see what i did there? it's a double pun)

(ah snap! did it again!)

anyrate. better yet. put in a god character. not god persay but one who really can determine such things with dice rolls
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 24, 2012, 03:56:41 PM
Man that would monumentally suck for those at his mercy. I'd make the main characters fight it but then no matter what it doesn't end well...

Until the main character goes Gurren Lagaan on said god-character's dice roll and PIERCES THE HEAVENS!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 25, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Determining a character's fate by rolling a pair of dice. My god...

That's Genius! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
why thank you XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 27, 2012, 06:20:18 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Browning

Monster... learning 4 languages by the age of 14... hating school and becoming a genius... man what i'd do to be like this. I FEEL SO OOOOOOLD.

His legendary status didn't just drop on his lap that's for sure. I find that part encouraging. As much as it seems dry and flat to say: Let's keep fighting for our dreams!

just needed to say that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 27, 2012, 07:03:03 PM
the road to success isn't very straight for sure. you'll find most of the most important world figures failed horribly before getting to where they did. just got to keep striving fowards
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 28, 2012, 08:59:13 PM
If there is one thing I hate about myself when it comes to writing, it's the fact that I never finish anything. Whether it be a chapter or a character bio, I never actually finish any of my work. I really need to break this habit.

Also, I was reading over chapter 1 of my origin story that I was writing and I realized something. It was near 800 words and I barely got to the point of the chapter. That's bad right?

So, after much thought I decided to restrict myself to a 1000 words per chapter of any story I may write in the future. That way I can practice not dragging out a chapter for too long.

Hopefully it works.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 28, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
well that's not always the best approach i would say. only employ it as long as you have to keep yourself from over writing. you should think about length. only think about substance. after all the simple purpose of the chapter is to break up parts of the story. so concentrate on quality and you'll end up with varying lengths. so don't constrict yourself unless you have too.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 28, 2012, 10:30:58 PM
Thanks for the advice. Hopefully one day my lazy butt will actually post a good story on this forum. Until that day comes, I'll just be studying the work of other writers on this forum.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 29, 2012, 04:13:57 AM
Don't worry, you'll get there. Find a rival, read some novels, and just keep at it.

Just found out where to find some neat english translations of light novels, and i must say, they're really fun to read. They really give you an idea on how to write. You should try them out!

You could always join the MR Canon bandwagon, though you may have to hang around just a bit longer to get people's personalities right.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on March 06, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
Oh yeah I'm definitely joining the MR Canon bandwagon. Ever since I read Coryn's Darling be Home Soon I told myself I have to become part of this universe. But yeah like you said I have to get everybody's personalities right in order to write one so I'm going have to read more MR Canons.

Also, remember that MR RPG battles thing I've started a while back? I've decided to go through with it. I'll try to post the ideas I came up with later. I think you might like what I've come up with.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 07, 2012, 03:47:22 AM
That's be very interesting to see. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nyxy on March 07, 2012, 03:39:54 PM
Work was really bringing me down put my stories on stall for a bit trying to cheer up. Then a collaboration was offered to me which put me in better spirits. Then Lego's thread about history and fiction got me sparked to tap into my imagination again.  Life may bring me down at times but as long as the passion to write is there I know i'll be okay.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 07, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
I'm glad i could help :)

As i said, that's a good piece of luck with the collab! Nice one!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2012, 03:18:35 PM
Reading homestuck has really slapped me back to my senses. As much as it's good to be able to write properly, i think i worry too much about the technicalities. Just go with the flow of creativity. There's plenty of time to brush up, so don't hold back the flow just because you want it perfect as it comes out. (this is as much as for you as it is for me. Time to go write a chapter of ARMS. NOW.)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on May 06, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
wooh! get it done lego!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 20, 2012, 04:03:51 AM
It's so fun how the seasons change in writing >...>

Anyhow, it seems the theme of this week is 'working hard'. Guh, i'm sort of on the fence on actively training to become a better writer right now, but i get the idea i guess. Maybe it's time to put some real muscle into improving everything, from school to writing. Seeing Cory's post of a mangaka's crazy schedule really showed me how things are done... 3 free hours for the whole week? Wow.

I've got to plaster my timetable with as many activities as possible i guess. That's the first plan. I'll see how it works out.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Unknown on July 01, 2012, 02:18:00 AM
Think this way, whatever you're next half-baked idea is do the opposite. Usually you're first thought is always typical of what other people are doing. Then go on the internet and look at a ton of pictures, and watch a lot of movies. Then think "What would happen if...." Hope this helps
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 01, 2012, 03:22:58 AM
Yeah well i get the concept, and i've actually added onto it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on July 01, 2012, 03:27:53 AM
I just listen to music and i come up with ideas. :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 01, 2012, 03:29:14 AM
Oh? You make it sound easy. What kind of music do you listen to? Lately my playlist has been filling up with crappy music. The consequence of downloading entire albums just because of one good song i guess.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on July 01, 2012, 03:35:43 AM
LoL i listen to the Beatles and old rock. :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 01, 2012, 12:44:42 PM
and that is why i don't do albums. also probably why i only own like 150 songs. and by own i of course mean have on my computer.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 01, 2012, 12:52:23 PM
Seriously, i think i'll go on purge mode at this rate. The 'Two Weeks worth of songs' thing just looks pathetic now.

Hey, random question, any of you ever submitted your stories to any magazine or something like that? I know i've tried once or twice, to some flash fiction site. Got rejected and never got the courage to do it again T-T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 01, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
nope. never saw much reason to. rather just get out to the big finish
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 02, 2012, 09:30:13 AM
Brainstorm challenge... So, i was watching Game of Thrones and thought about how culture defines everything, even something as serious as the army (actually, medieval armies have more of this culture and art in their style...)

So... what if there was some medieval civilization that believed in absolutely no art? What would their armour and weaponry look like? Is it possible for them to design armour that is only for practical use, without the addition of an artistic element to them?

So far all i've thought of is completely gray outfits and rectangular shields with not a single polished surface in sight... the main idea here is can you think of something that is highly utilitarian? What is the most ideal weaponry? Minus all the fancy stuff?

Sorry... written this mostly straight from my head, but i hope you get what i mean.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on July 02, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Hmmmm thats a hard one even though the creation of armor is for the protection of the warrior .I guess art does play a role when making it if you took that out  i don't know what it would look like . hmmmm interesting  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 02, 2012, 09:44:51 AM
I know right? Would they purposefully make the armour 'ugly' to prove their point?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on July 02, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
It would defiantly look interesting to see even if is is ugly ,i just cant  imagine   how it would look.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 02, 2012, 02:05:35 PM
well it's not too hard to imagine really. look at today's millitaries for instance. There aren't really any artistic elements to it. Everything is practical in its design. Even the little flags, while may have been designed with some artistic element in mind, only serve to identify the soldier's affiliation. It's easy to take that way of thinking and apply it in other places.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 02, 2012, 02:19:50 PM
You've got a point there i guess. But i can insta-recognize american soldiers definately? There's a certain fashion sense to their equipment, no? The camouflage  and what not?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 02, 2012, 08:52:26 PM
it's different. yes. but there's no fashion to it. the camo is designed purely for practical purposes. the style of the helmet is based off of the nazi design, because it works really well.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 03, 2012, 03:27:42 AM
It is? Interesting. I thought the americans and british figured out their helmets at the same time as the germans...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 03, 2012, 01:56:57 PM
well if you look at the world war II helmets, all three were really different.

the british had more of a shallow thing. Still not designed for incoming bullets, but more for falling objects, since they really hadn't thought about getting out of that rut.
(http://www.militaryhistoryworkshop.co.uk/shop/images/uploads/MHW_22-01-08_014.JPG)

American helmets had taken bullets into account, but didn't have a good design for visablilty. leading to the famous "soup bowel" design.
(http://epicmilitaria.com/shopimages/products/thumbnails/t_629.jpg)
But of course, the germans figured out a helmet that had the best of all worlds. producing the famous look of the german Stahlhelm
(http://epicmilitaria.com/shopimages/sections/thumbnails/t_47.jpg)

Which was in fact so successful. Giving the germans such an edge in the war, that we're still using the design today.
(http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/800px-US_soldiers_wearing_the_PASGT_helmet,_Hawaii.jpg)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Roshon21 on July 03, 2012, 01:59:10 PM
Your so educated Coryn....
Did not know about these helmets.... :o
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 03, 2012, 06:39:27 PM
He's always been like that. No wonder your writing is top-notch coryn. Interesting
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on July 03, 2012, 11:28:50 PM
Wow coryn you just told  alot of the history of helmets and still made it sound interesting. :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 04, 2012, 12:55:21 AM
well, thanks guys. But seriously i keep saying it. history channel, history channel, history channel.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 04, 2012, 11:49:43 AM
Haha, we hear you.

Another topic... Let's say you had to design a 'killing curse' in a fantasy world as an awesome mage who can create spells... what would your killing curse do?


I'll go first. I'd say the spell wipes your brain completely, leaving it unable to feel, sense or control body functions. It would be an instant black out and painless. The body would die soon after...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: P4 on July 04, 2012, 01:03:37 PM
user retired
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 04, 2012, 01:17:37 PM
Well i mean curse in the generic sense of the word. Just a 'bad' spell. You as the curse designer, how would you craft the spell? Minus the possible side-effects and such, because we don't have a proper frame of reference to tell what cost the spells come at.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: ravenx2000 on July 12, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
While thinking out abbilities I always make a char and get a power that basicly gives them the ability to do what they can't. Also persona get's into this. Basicly like Death Note did, really worked well with the main char gave the immunity annonimity but maximum terror and control. The question i think should be what does my char want and what's a good tool to obtain it. Thinking of random curses or ability or powers kinda is grabbing things from thin air without having any meaning towards whatever you would like to use it for? not?

to get back on topic,

Curse hmmz let's say for a tormented persona, giving one the feeling of what they felt when something was done to them would be a good start + also all the physical harm that came with it.

Curse hmm for a good guy reverse age back to 0 wipe mem/or not and start over. Like a 2nd chance. After someone realised they are rotten to the core and are repentwise on a crossroad to good. Just giving a badguy a 2nd chance without that realisation is not very good.

Curse females not being able to give birth or gold turning to copper would rob people of power/money and the progression of they're lineage

Also P4 makes a good argument again coming back to throwing ideas wildly into the air amounts to little or nothing when it's not clear wich boundries you're working with. Same a fantasy, dear lord only the thought of defination of it makes my toes curl xD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aoife Pen on August 23, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
I think the best type of curse should something that slowly separates you from those you love in the beginning.
Like every time you develop feelings for some one else the curse spreads to them, but in an accelerated fashion.

While you have to go through the symptoms for three months they go through it in three days.

which then effects you socially, emotionally and even mentally. By the end your begging for death. But let's say if you kill a young child and eat their heart you'll be healed.  there is no other way, you either become a killer to be with the one you love, or you love them and watch them die before you, or you kill your self.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 23, 2012, 09:48:45 AM
***

Hmm... You know in anime you see the characters clenching their fists and shouting "I WILL FOLLOW MY DREAM?!" have you already reached that stage with writing? I think i've been underestimating my wish a little... maybe i should cross that line and say through hell or high water, i'm gonna write!!

just being random. Also, read tonnes of novels recently. It be fun.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: P4 on September 23, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
user retired
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 23, 2012, 10:55:02 AM
I guess so sure. I mean I know I decided back in high school that i would be a writer, and here i am still writing. Hard to be inspired sometimes sure. And really i'm not the type who likes to write without the juices flowing. but yes i think so.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on September 23, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
I had an idea in school the other day.Since lots of people make their own characters for manga series and such ,to help new writers develop them we could make a topic where they create short stories recounting one or 2 exploits from their characters lives.We could call it  the character pub(as if the characters are sharing stories ,but not literally -_-) ,thoughts?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: P4 on September 23, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
user retired
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on September 23, 2012, 11:43:46 AM
I suppose so.Although members still give each other advice etc.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Cookies on September 23, 2012, 12:13:20 PM
Adding to the character pub thing, you can have "in-character" discussions and Q&A type conversations between the characters. This helps the writer flush out who he/she wants the character to be.

Actually, this is a technique authors usually do by themselves. I think it'll be a lot more fun with other people  :blush:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on September 23, 2012, 12:16:54 PM
So il make the thread then ;D On a side note how do i put images in my signature?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on September 23, 2012, 12:31:45 PM
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,6804.0.html
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nyxy on September 23, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
You have to use the img tags and make sure the image you are sharing is uploaded to a photo sharing site like photobucket, flicker or on a url that does not block images. You cannot add a file that is just on your computer unfortunately.

When you update your signature it should look like this

[img.]http://photo url [/img.]

take the . out I put them there so the code would not disappear so basically you put that before your image's url and it should give you a picture:

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/tyn616/562782_3114447559745_2063734249_n1.jpg)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 23, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
Go Lego go~  Which have you read recently?

4 Vampire Hunter D novels, Airman and The Supernaturalists by Eoin Colfer and Coraline by Neil Gaiman
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
Okay. Need help. Tell me what you think of this paragraph?

Zach gave up the pretense of sleep and woke up to meet the new day. The dim blue of the new sunset painted the room and Zach was alone for a moment in there with his own thoughts. The light was not enough to light up the room but when Zach opened the curtains there was enough light. The world outside was bleak and without feature and the room inside was alive and full of character. The two places were divided by the heartless pane of armoured-glass.


is it readable?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 25, 2012, 03:04:33 PM
readable yes. good not so much.

of the five sentences in this paragraph. 4 of them start with the word "The". You also keep reusing words, "new" in the first two sentences. "light" in the third. and the last sentence feels tacked on when reading it. though reworking the sentence beginnings could fix this issue.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
You even picked up on the last second past-in for the last sentence huh. Okay. noted.


Zach gave up the pretense of sleep and woke up to meet the new day. The dim blue sunrise painted the room and Zach was alone for a moment in there with his own thoughts.  It was not light enough to see things in the room but when Zach opened the windows it was. When he did he could see the bleak world outside. His room and the outside world sat at odds with eachother: alive and not alive, full of character and without. Both places were separated by thick armoured glass.

is this better?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 25, 2012, 03:20:56 PM
much.

if you want my opinion though i'd fix up the end of the 3rd sentence though. seems kinda just bland to say "it was"
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
Yeah for sure. Thanks man this helps.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on September 25, 2012, 03:29:33 PM
 can you tell me if this is ok and things I can fix.

Since a very young age Orpheus was a great musician he was an orphan not knowing of his real father or mother. The boy grew up in an orphanage for the most of is teen years, the reason being was because he was a wild child who hid his musical talent from everyone except those of the orphanage.
One day he was playing the piano for the little kids for the orphanage and a famous conductor  who was forced to come to the orphanage by his wife heard him. He was playing a piece unknown to the master of music he couldn’t help but cry at the beautiful sound coming from the piano. That day he chose to adopt the boy and take him under his wing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 25, 2012, 03:46:04 PM
Definitely have some issues with run on sentences. Look at each sentence and read it out loud. You'll run into the places where it sounds awkward not to have a pause.

which as a general rule always read out loud. makes what you write take on an entirely new tone.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on September 25, 2012, 03:46:54 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on September 25, 2012, 04:54:31 PM
how do i make it so a chapter starts but it shows that its been like three months since last time seeing them?
like a skip in time period.
example:
jack runs to work. -chapter ends
*three months later*
Jack is driving to work. - new chapter

im so uncertain as to what i should do for that kind of thing T.T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
You could just tell the reader, or you could start describing the new chapter from a different start point. You could point out the weather, or Jack's thoughts, or something being said on the radio in the car, and then you'd focus on jack. That way the reader would be given a clue that some amount of time had passed
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on September 25, 2012, 05:13:51 PM
Thanks lego ^_^
I needed this for two maybe three chapters ahead. >.>
*is thinking ahead but needs to work on the NOW*
XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 25, 2012, 06:01:41 PM
like lego said. it's pretty simple. just saying something like "Three months passed." is fine. get's the point across and it isn't awkward for the reader.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on September 25, 2012, 08:36:50 PM
wow~ seriously?
im over thinking this huh? T.T oh well.
imma ninja up my story~~
:ninja: :ninja: :ninja: :ninja: :ninja:
5/5 ninjas for the advice ^_^
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 04, 2012, 07:31:50 PM
So a poem inspired by Bleach and Mortal Combat (The MangaRaiders one.)

Sky scrapers, an unmistakable metropolis
Sky scraper, Sky scraper,
Satellites, star light,
City light, Sky lines
Swords and bows, flares and flashes, immortal combat
boots in the air, stepping along nothingness, ripples like water, hairstyles like punks, swords like gods
broken skin, broken records.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 04, 2012, 07:48:01 PM
neat little poem lego. not really sure where the bleach comes into it though. skyscrapers i guess?

we do have some overlap now that i think about it :/
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 04, 2012, 07:52:48 PM
the last three sentences really. Esp 'swords and bows, flares and flashes'

Yeah we sort of do.... and you're Aizen >....<
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 04, 2012, 07:56:36 PM
yeh i guess so. i know we've seen witness to lots of swords, bows, flares, and flashes though.


And it's awesome that i'm Aizen and all. but why?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 04, 2012, 08:04:50 PM
Practically invincible ever evolving evil genius.

Well, i'm heading for a juha bach angle myself. Just need to get street cred... through post count!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 04, 2012, 08:10:49 PM
well when you put it like that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on October 06, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
I need some advice on this.

                                                               Hells Gate

Since ancients times there have been stories about hell. There are so many legends, but the one that sticks out most is Hell's Gate. The legend goes there was once a great gate that on the other side lied hell. The  gate was opened and Demons tormented humans. After a while a group of heroes raised and shut the gated and separated them. The generals of the war against hell took each gate to there respective countries. After the battle the gates where sealed and were to never be opened again, until now.

 It was snowing outside, chilling cold weather when a boy walks out of a back alley. He was light brown and had half braided hair, with the other side straight down. The boy was wearing a white jacket with red pants and black boots. The boy goes in his pocket and looks at a silver pocket watch then smiles. He then looks in the alley he just got out of .There lied four beat up bloody guys.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 07, 2012, 07:08:12 AM
Well i feel the narrative doesn't have that mystery feel to it. It feels like a regular guy explaining the ancient history, so it doesn't have as much impact as it should.

The first sentence for the second paragraph reads very strangely, so you should probably fix that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on October 07, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Thanks Ill fix that.  :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 10, 2012, 07:08:49 AM
raeg.

I'm really getting tired of hearing the word 'plot device'. When people are commenting on stories. It's getting on my nerves. I mean, what the hell, has story reading become a situation where the reader is the lecturer grading an assignment? It's ridiculous.

Me? So long as the story is good enough i like to zone out all the whatevers and focus on the story. It really ruins the entertainment element when someone keeps on reminding you it's a written work. GAAAH. It pisses me off to hell especially since everyone is jumping on the word. First it was 'Passive sentences' and now it's 'plot device this plot device that'.

RAEG.

I'm referring to the comments on Bleach lately.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 10, 2012, 04:51:35 PM
well your first problem is that you're reading comments on the internet.

They'll always be like that. If you want to really experience the story. You can't look at what other people think.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 10, 2012, 04:54:11 PM
First rule of the game i guess.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 11, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
fan poem for bleach

DIE STANDING

You're breaking up, you're crashing down
The burden on your shoulders
Drops you falling on the ground in-two pieces

All the honour, and power abound
Couldn't save you from his laughter oh that dark and dirty sound

A thousand arrows, they salute
Lights all a-swirl a blue finger wiped the phoenix off the world

The disbelief, as you disappear
Into nothingness and to an after After here

The caricature, of a brave death
Left alone even by your sword
your silent last breath

Dust to ashes, a millennium due
Who ever thought the grim reaper would come for even you?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: takahashi on October 11, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
That's a great poem Lego..Rip yama
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 11, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
Thanks takashashi. Rip yama
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 13, 2012, 07:49:42 PM
Moar Breach Poems...

mebe i need to make a topic




The World Breaks Down So Mercilessly Today

The world breaks down so mercilessly today
the white courts stained red with dreams of our legion
the proud black sundered and our hope decayed

the snowdrop, the thistle, the yarrow
the daffodil, the white poppy, and the strelitzia

the iris, the camillia, and the lily
the bellflower, the marigold, the pasque, and The Chrysanthemum.
thirteen funeral wreaths.  They are so flimsy.

the peaceful solitary of our fortress,
the spirits of the greatest,
the unity of our courts,
 terribly crucified on the 5 pointed cross.
 
haori suffocate us accusingly: The feared harbringers of death are dying themselves
how laughable.
surrounded by the sound of falling rubble,
we have no answer.

Looking up to unchanging skies, as we stand amongst rocks and the dead
clutching our empty blades, as our bleeding hearts color our wounds red

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on October 16, 2012, 09:48:02 PM
Actually a topic where we write poems based off anime and manga we like doesn't sound like a bad idea. :hmm:

Also, nice poems by the way lego. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clapping:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 17, 2012, 06:33:29 AM
Thanks frono, and that may actually really be a good idea.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on October 24, 2012, 08:28:36 PM
I hate how almost all of my teachers at my school wants essays and they all want them on the same day which is Friday. I mean I like writing and all but, damn don't you think that's a little too much?!

Random complaint...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 24, 2012, 08:32:05 PM
Haha, it's the bane of everyone's existence, we always end up with a rush on us. I'd suggest getting to work on them as soon as you get the assignments but that's oh so much easier said than done
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on October 24, 2012, 08:36:11 PM
Dude I'm writing an essay as we speak and I don't even feel like writing it. I just wanna play some fighting games and call it day.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 28, 2012, 01:22:47 PM
I see my name in blue
Do you see it too?
Man it's so fine, to see my name in blue

Got new threads to show for it.
Literally.
Got music ringing in my ears.
It's time for a celebratory two step shuffle til the midnight moon
Hot damn, my name is in blue.



Random poem about becoming a mod is random. Didn't even look at it to edit.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 28, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
See it too? See it too?
I do not see your name in blue.
Purple purple, royal purple.
....Nothing really rhymes with purple.

Welcome one, welcome all.
You are mods, this lovely fall.
Come with me, fight till we die.
At least you don't have to call me sempai.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 28, 2012, 01:31:11 PM
I may have to Coryn-san
since you've been at it for very long


... darn it, that barely passed. And it seems i'm color blind...

Sometimes i'm worried i'm really a half alien green cat... It'd explain the furballs.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 28, 2012, 06:14:16 PM
well that sounds unpleasant.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on October 29, 2012, 07:32:21 AM
Orange, orange
Nothing rhymes with orange
Except porridge
When you say it with cold
How bold

Sorry, I couldn't help myself...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2012, 11:38:08 AM
Haha, it's all welcome.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on October 29, 2012, 04:56:19 PM
The was once an amazing samurai.
Was known by many.
The title is simple to know.
The samurai of six swords.
The samurai was mostly legend,
but one day fact before all.
The samurai killed off many men.
The police were furious.
The civilians, however, were curious.
They thought the samurai a hero.
They learn the samurai's real name.
They now fear her completely.
She fades into darkness.
She still helps end the corrupted.
She kills them, guards and all.
She'll smear their blood on the walls.
She'll laugh at them.
She'll laugh as they plead.
Howeve, she'll never let them leave.
In the end, she grew old.
She died when 80.
Her coffin now covered in mold.
The legend is nothing more.
Only a legend of her remains.
Of course her great granddaughter as well.
She will carry on the legend.
She is the next in line.
She is....
The samurai of six swords.
She serves for the modern day.
You may think her evil,
but she's far from it.
She is another great samurai.
She is kinder than you'll know.
Now she'll hide in plane sight.
She'll leave no evidence of life.
She'll disappear into the night.

Just got bored so i made this up. After writing that i wanna make it into a full story. T-T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
Nice! I liked it!

Can't help but get a katanagatari vibe from this as well. If you can make interesting characters you could make a nice story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: P4 on October 29, 2012, 06:24:35 PM
user retired
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on October 29, 2012, 06:42:47 PM
oh crap XD i thought this was the 6 words thing lego made XD my bad
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2012, 06:53:05 PM
Huh, i didn't notice they were all six words >...> Okay i'll take that as my cue to sleep.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on October 29, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
lol. good night lego mod. : D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 25, 2012, 01:59:19 AM
So, little christmas miracle. the miracle of proper formatting. Taking to my second arc over the last few days. I did almost exclusively format work. Only adding or removing a few lines here or there. In total. I added an extra 49 pages, just by formatting properly.

It is now 306 pages long.

*censored*ing magic.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: suuper-san on December 25, 2012, 08:04:32 AM
@coryn  wow,well done!
i can sometime get a few extra lines by formatting but normally i dont :P
you must have typed it really compact :P

@jack epic story, one line is 7 words btw :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on December 25, 2012, 01:33:44 PM
It is now 306 pages long.

*censored*ing magic.

WITCH!!
BURN THE WITCH!
*grabs torches and pichforks*
LET'S GET'EM!
*runs, stops, sees that no one is following*
o_o
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 25, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
well it was mostly fixing dialogue. but yeh. some issues.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Maxite on December 25, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Ai yi yi... I have too many ideas sitting around and only a modest motivation to work on any of them. At least the formerly-unnamed project that I've started work on in the Develop Your Story area now has a title... and has basically been doubled in premise. Oh sweet joy I'll be pleased if I even write a paragraph for that one.

I'm also contemplating trying to actually draw something because I have an idea for an interesting story but I don't feel that just words will do it magic. This of course means a 99.9999% chance that it will never see the light of day because I can't draw worth a damn, and even what few good drawings I do manage from time to time I still think they're utter garbage. Oh well, hopefully my plan to draw it in SD format instead of realistic proportions will work in my favor... Either that or it'll completely destroy any sense of emotion that it could possibly have.

But yes... so many ideas, not enough time to work on them all. Little motivation to actually work on them beyond just simply shouting "Aha!" and taking notes and writing down ideas for when I decide to work on them... which never happens. Right now one universe I could write a novel alone just based on the notes for how to write the actual series.

Sadly today will not be a good day to write, as it is Christmas, and I have to go and visit family shortly. I suppose I'll just add to my notes today.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on December 30, 2012, 08:22:54 PM
I'll be posting drawings when I'm good at it. Kinda bored right now. Need more time to thought up new ideas for my next chapter though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on January 07, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Here's a neat little video i found on the creative process. Definitely something to think about for story creation. Especially if you're the perfectionist sort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DphjhudlZis
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 07, 2013, 08:30:59 PM
That's definately something to adhere to. I Have been shooting down a ton of my story projects, even though i'd like to blame it on simple procrastination i'm just in that area. At least ideas are piling up in my notepad so when i return to the scene full force i'll have a lot to play with.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on January 09, 2013, 11:26:05 PM
I'm caught up with my grades at school so I'll be posting chapters more sooner. I post one this afternoon btw.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 10, 2013, 02:21:18 PM
Write one word at a time. It just occured to me that maybe only writing when i have a chapter in mind is a bad way to go. I'll slowly build up the layers on my works to get things moving.

Really frustrated with the rate at which Dystop is going though, but it can't be helped
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on January 10, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
guess i sorta have the same problem.

like. i've got an end game, that's like two chapters away. but no real idea how to get to it.

can't just skip straight there. can't just fill up the middle with words.

annoying.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 10, 2013, 02:32:00 PM
Yeah. I just want to see my manuscript all done up and mostly complete you know?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on January 10, 2013, 02:40:09 PM
(http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/comment/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%8B-oglaf-%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%84-%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C-272810.png)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 10, 2013, 02:51:42 PM
T-T you do? *overwhelmed.

On the 'inactivity' of the writers section pointed out by Hasith, what are we lacking exactly? Dedication? Reviews? Relative posts or something? I'd really like to find a way to improve the situation
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on January 10, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Well it's always been the slower moving of the two creative sections. Everything about writing seems to be more time intensive than most art we see on the site.

We need more of everything. All the writers need to keep up posting stories. And we all need to make efforts to make reviews.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 10, 2013, 03:00:35 PM
I can do that i guess. I'm having a huge trouble of keeping up with the new people though. So many of them! ^^
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: suuper-san on January 10, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
yeah true about new members, although only about 1 in 100 will get to more than 25 posts :P
and only 1 in 100 of those will become an active member for the foreseeable future :P
bit heavy on those statistics, but you get what i mean :P
and yeah its hard to keep up :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 10, 2013, 03:26:01 PM
Let's just focus on quality not quantity. Oh, and suuper, any way you could help me program my story?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: suuper-san on January 11, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
quality ftw.
ermmmm i dont know too much about what you specifically want programmning wise, PM me or if i am on skype then ask :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 12, 2013, 06:02:28 AM
On another thing, my story Punks Under The Bridge really needs to move forward. I'm planning on throwing random stuff at it. Gainax Panty and Stocking style.

Is it a wide idea to put the topic in develop your section or in ecchiworld?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 12, 2013, 07:25:11 AM
Guys, I'm undertaking a world building project(fantasy) and was wondering whether anyone else has done something like this.I'm hoping to start off with a few narrative poems using rhyming couplets and such(like Tolkien did in the lays of beleriand). Any tips?

Ps Sorry I've been a bit inactive lately, but my time has been sucked up by homework and other things.Also I've just bought a new desk and am pretty much ready to start writing again.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 12, 2013, 09:36:29 AM
I've done some active world building before. It's a lot of work but it's fun. Have you got a world map in mind? That's always a great place to start. Randomly name places and give them events in history, lay out what kind of animals live where and where humans live...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 12, 2013, 10:22:31 AM
I've started off with a character focused narrative, but I've got some A3 paper handy, so I guess I'll try some maps.The problem I find is that it's hard to think of names that aren't included in other worlds.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 12, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
Well to truly come up with your own names you'll have to try what you can. Mix things up from langauges you know or research online. Tolkien had such an expansive universe because he studied languages, so he did have a lot of advantage in that respect, so you'll just have to try and find a way to come up with your own. Choose a mythology that you like the most: greek mythology, japanese mythology e.t.c, see how their legends are told and what naming conventions are used in those. What's your story about?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 12, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
Well, the actual narrative is about a child who was prophesied to have great power and his adventures etc
Still working on his origins though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: suuper-san on January 12, 2013, 02:21:46 PM
yeah if you get stuck on stuff try and take inspiration from real life. a lot of culture stuff as you said is great inspiration.
knowledge = power when it comes to writing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 12, 2013, 03:48:25 PM
I've done the first map, and am working on character/creature designs.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 14, 2013, 03:51:10 PM
Wrote 2000 words today. It was brutal but feels good to accomplish something
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 15, 2013, 02:41:49 AM
Cool.2000 words of what?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 15, 2013, 04:05:29 AM
nothing worth writing home about, but i hope to be able to do it regularly
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 15, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
100th post :D
By the way, I'm probably not gonna post much of my world building stuff, since it's on paper.I'll still scan drawings though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 16, 2013, 04:12:48 AM
If you need help developing your story you should make a topic for it too. Always a good thing to do
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on January 16, 2013, 12:38:31 PM
Yeah, I probably will, I'm still developing the basic history though.I've had an idea for the main evil soldier/creature race, it's to do with the worlds' ancient history.They're basically orc/goblin type things that spawn from giant, age old plants.It sounds quite ridiculous now, but it won't once I clean up the basic lore.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 16, 2013, 03:21:43 PM
Hey, a hundred monsters or two, all it depends on is how well you develop them in relation to the characters. Sounds like a different take on monster breeding actually

On another  note: Yay! 2000 words for the third day in a row, but it might be a bit much now that i see. I'm switching down to 500...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2013, 12:03:44 PM
When your reading a novel whats the voice of your narrator?

I have this BBC reporter i think >.> <.<
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 12, 2013, 03:31:15 PM
I've asked myself before, it's never ended well, i usually just hurt my mind thinking about it.

I'd say there is no voice. There are just the words.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 15, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
I usually imagine it in my own voice. I'm no fun, I know.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 15, 2013, 03:36:17 PM
Haha well as you can see there's not exactly a 'stock' narrator voice so that may be pretty uncommon.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 15, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
If it makes it any better, I have a very deep voice, which, in the morning, sounds like the voice of that movie trailer guy, Don whateverhislastnameis...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 15, 2013, 10:42:00 PM
You mean that movie trailer guy really is the same person? Haha! That makes sense
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 16, 2013, 11:05:06 AM
haha Well, not all movie trailers have the same guy, but this guy has literally done over 5,000 of them, and almost all of them were blockbusters.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 17, 2013, 06:13:44 AM
Help! Too many ideas in my head. I see these amazing plots and stuff in my work in progress folder but i feel nothing for them. Actually i'm just getting pissed off at them now. I'm debating whether i should just completely delete the stuff or lock them away.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 17, 2013, 11:58:05 AM
Hard to say. I can tell you that at the moment, i'm having a hard time feeling much of anything towards any of my stories as well. I feel like school is killing my creative drive, but i can't just delete them and move on with my life can i.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 17, 2013, 02:48:41 PM
Haha, that makes it seem so black and white actually. But it has been a while. I guess i'll be content with just training my skills for now. Quitting writing isn't whats on my mind, rather i'm just a lot frustrated atm. Need something for the anthology. Maybe i should just submit kingfisher. It wasn't taken last time after all...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 17, 2013, 04:22:59 PM
Think about character dynamics and plot devices you like in other stories, and think about how you can use it in your own stories. Or, think about what you don't like in certain stories, and look for those problems in your own story, and find ways to fix it. Did you ever see that comment I posted in the Robotics;Notes thread? Well, I realized, as soon as I posted it, that Dream Library was suffering from the same problem, and I quickly found a solution to it that also solved some other problems in the story. From there on out, the story seemed a lot more appealing to work on because I was freed up to do a lot more with it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 17, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Some times i really just hate planning out my things. Things feel so restrictive that way. But i guess asking questions isn't too bad. I'll try that out.

Character dynamics though... it sounds like a nice word to throw around but could you give an example?

And i know what plot devices are vaguely, but could you name one?

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 17, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
Character dynamic examples (possible spoiler warning): In Death Note, L and Light are rivals. They plan ahead, investigate, set up traps; L, to reveal Light as Kira, and Light to point all suspicion away from himself. Or, later in Death Note, Light, Mello, and Near are rivals, each, in their own manner with varied relationships to the law, one-up-ing the other. Or, in Bakuman, the characters have rivalries that encourage them to sharpen their skills or to do better at something. It's not just rivalries either; though, I think good rivalries usually make for a good story. In Steins;Gate, Okabe goes through a lot, seeing Mayuri die over and over again. He attempts to do the right thing and save her, without the others knowing exactly what is going on. Because of this, he is constantly drawing their worry, suspicion, pity, and sometimes even disgust. In Robotics;Notes, Kai is sort of a well-liked fellow among his female companions and it always seems like he will fall in love with a certain one; however, he is a lot more phlegmatic about it than his female friends, and never really gives a clear impression of liking any of them in particular. I usually think of character dynamics as pieces of the plot with pieces in and of themselves.

Plot devices (another possible spoiler alert): The story of Death Note follows Light, so his death at the end comes across as more striking and relevant than it would be otherwise. In the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime, before Ed and Mustang's duel, Mustang starts showing a ridiculous side that presents a contrast to his serious side (his enthusiastic love for dogs and his desire to make all female members of the military wear tiny mini-skirts). This is to make the watcher think for a second that Ed could actually win the duel. But then that one shot of Mustang before the duel starts ensures the watcher that Ed is about to get his butt kicked. The whole thing keeps the watcher on edge. I usually think of plot devices as small, singular units that effect the plot in specific ways.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 17, 2013, 06:27:41 PM
Fortunately i've seen all of those, so i know what you mean. Ed dueled mustang? Can't believe i forgot that. I only remember the wrath one though. But thanks in any case. I''ll jot these down
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 21, 2013, 09:03:26 AM
I'm an idiot, but i'm glad i've just learnt something.

I absolutely cannot write or create in silence.

It's just not me. I was burning my breain, going through my projects and wondering what the hell was up with my writers block. It was bad. And then i put on some music and things went better from then. I'll never write without music again. I'll be looking for playlists that fit with my music. Every especially important character will have their own theme song. The story will have its theme songs.



Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 21, 2013, 10:25:48 AM
Music helps a whole lot, sometimes. What music do you listen to while writing?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 21, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
welcome to my world lego.


only i can't write without a specific song to fit the specific scene. god help me in finding that song though.  :ohmy:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 21, 2013, 12:07:43 PM
I thought you like had a playlist for everything and anything though >...> \

But yeah. now i'm doing a concentrated effort to find songs.

@ Paipis i usually listen to dubstep, drum n bass, electronic, and indie but i never actually put it down on a chalkboard that 'i need songs to write'. Now that i have i think i'll be actively collecting some of my own playlists. I'll try checking out the 'what are you listening to' thread. Maybe i'll pull up one or two good ones to write with.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tostificer on March 21, 2013, 12:10:14 PM
Lego, try this:

http://grooveshark.com/playlist/Toasty+s+Playlist/81385085

It has everything that you listed (and a bit more). I update it regularly with music I like.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 21, 2013, 12:17:48 PM
SERIOUSLY DUDE?! This is so freaking awesome you have no idea!!!!!!!! Oh man thanks a lot!!!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 21, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
I typically listen to music based on character. It helps me process things from their perspective. This means my playlist is highly varied depending on what story I'm writing, and which character I am writing about. Could be anything from free jazz to the Beach Boys.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 21, 2013, 01:26:20 PM
Beach boys? are they good?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Jack Melancholy on March 21, 2013, 05:29:21 PM
Lol. I come back to this topic for the first time in a LONG time, and I find you guys talking about Beach Boys. XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 21, 2013, 06:18:21 PM
beach boys is an old group, californian in style, some call them "surf rock"

definitely a band to know of though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on March 21, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Pretty famous group from the 60s. In my opinion, they only have two really good albums (Pet Sounds and Smile Sessions), but there are plenty more if you want to delve into those. A lot of indie bands (Grizzly Bear, Animal Collective, the Shins... the list is endless) are highly influenced by them. Anyways, I mostly meant to give an idea of the wide range of music I use to help me write because it sort of has to describe the character's personality for me. Different characters can have wildly different types of music to represent them based on their disparate personalities.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 01, 2013, 01:24:38 AM
Hi, I was wondering if there are members who liked my story (named Twin Samurai Dragon Keneiyu) since it has many views than most other's stories. And also want to let readers of my story know that I'm posting a chapter every week for my second arc (could shorten the long wait if there is high demand).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 01, 2013, 04:32:55 AM
Where can I find it?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 01, 2013, 04:51:34 AM
It's on Develop Your Story page, go to the second page, it will be there, the title saying, Twin Samurai Dragon Keneiyu: Prologue: Living in Peace arc, I recommend that you read it first so reading the second arc later on will make it more sense.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 01, 2013, 10:58:32 AM
Well you have lot's of views because you update it so often and a lot of people will click it to get it out of their recent posts. You see you have sort of doomed yourself with the review game, by simply making it so long and so quickly updated. It's a daunting challenge to get yourself to try something so long. I myself had this problem before buckling down and reviewing your first arc.

It's all really a logical thing when you get down to it. Just take it from experience, that all you can really do is wait and be patient.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 01, 2013, 12:35:28 PM
Ah ok I see, I'm waiting til tommorow to post my next chapter which I'm posting new chapters every week. So you are saying that I should post shorter chapters?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 01, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
I wouldn't change yourself for length. Long doesn't equal bad, doesn't equal good either of course, but you shouldn't have to cut short because people wont read it.

Change if you realize that changing will be what's best for the story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 01, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
Read your first chapter, it's great (Although quite cheesy)
I suppose that's just the first one though, and it might only look cheesy cause it's in text. It's a brilliant overall idea, I bid you good luck  :sheep:

Be good to get some feedback on my story though, planning to make it into a manga soon so if I need to make last minute additions, the time is now.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 01, 2013, 10:27:35 PM
Thanks, it's my really first time making a story so mistakes happen.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 02, 2013, 05:58:53 AM
Yeah, my advice to you would be to change some of the dialogue to something one would say in real life( One wouldn't really ask to sleep in someone's bed as if it's something you hear everyday). Again though, it might look better in a storyboard anyway.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 02, 2013, 10:52:36 PM
Well it's brotherly love you know though it's common for sisters in anime, want to show their bond.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: joymov on April 02, 2013, 10:54:51 PM
i think the scary thing is knowing it could happen to anyone at anytime
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 03, 2013, 03:16:39 AM
what could happen to anyone at any time?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 03, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
^Brotherly love?  :noidea:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 03, 2013, 08:19:32 PM
Well the Keneiyu Twins sort of acting on their own at the start of the second arc, Sakuri Keneiyu, is considered the younger brother, Sukari Keneiyu acts as the eldest one though they are twins and both are almost identical (save for hair styles) but totally different personalities.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 06, 2013, 10:51:52 PM
Alright I think I have got enough advices unless you guys are willing to tell me more, I have a app for my phone that I can write my chapters in so I'll fix grammers easily if I noticed one.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 07, 2013, 04:05:48 AM
That sounds like a great app.

Have you got art for your characters? It really helps drive you better when you see them all drawn out.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 07, 2013, 01:08:20 PM
Ah no, school's keeping me busy since I need to get my work done before the quarter but now the quarter ended. I could work on it when my grades are on top notch in the last quarter.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 11, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
Went to a writers workshop at school on impulse. It was the greatest thing ever in a long time. Oh man it was soooo good! People who want to write like i do, people who think almost the same and argue against and everything and oh man it was soooooooo good!

I guess i was being an ignorant ass with his head stuck in the ground when i was like 'there is no hope for writing in my country'. I finally feel it may be possible to be a pioneer in this place.

I plan to paste my poems on the notice board at random from now on, and phooey to the critics.

We discussed a poem by T.S Elliot (Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock) and then we discussed other things and guh. Oh god, i loved that. I will do that again.

Seriously at this rate i'm even pumped up enough to consider starting an anime club on campus. But i'll calm down a little and stick to writing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 11, 2013, 05:22:31 PM
You can find willing writers everywhere lego. Don't ever lose hope.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 11, 2013, 07:31:08 PM
^What he said.

Speaking of poetry, we should revive the Poetry House. I've been working on a lyric and will post it when it's finished.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on April 11, 2013, 09:53:49 PM
^ I'm down for the poetry idea. Apparently, this is national poetry month anyways, and I'm about halfway through my weird Lovecraft Lullaby thing. This weekend sounds like as good a time as any to finish.

Here's a question for errybody: When you write poetry, do you try to rhyme?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 11, 2013, 10:21:31 PM
Rarely. If I naturally start a rhyme scheme anyways, I usually try to stick to it, but, otherwise, no.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 12, 2013, 02:49:36 AM
Just during that workshop someone pointed out the true fact that a lot of imagery is lost in rhyme. Of course when you know how to do it it can be effective, but otherwise from what i see i'll stay away from rhyme.

Need to read actual poetry though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 12, 2013, 10:00:22 AM
^Read some Walt Whitman yesterday. Real good stuff.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on April 12, 2013, 02:10:58 PM
I'll agree that it can be a bit distracting to try and find the right rhyming words that also fit the tamber of the poem with the right number of syllables, but OH GOLLY- When it all fits together and it all just clicks?

It's one of the best feelings in the world.

In this sense, I still say that Dr. Seuss, Shel Silverstein, and Jack Prelutsky are my favorite poets out there. Special mention goes to typically non-rhyming Neil Gaiman because NEIL GAIMAN.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 12, 2013, 03:29:37 PM
Haha, the funny thing is that that topic came up also, about how when reading a poem when it's from someone famous we tend to ignore things that look fishy or should be mistakes. ]

I haven't seriously considered reading Dr. Seuss thoguh. I shall try him out. As for Jack Prelutsky and Whitman i'll have to look at an example of theirs
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 18, 2013, 01:10:45 AM
I wrote more of the Genhancer soldiers still loyal to America showing what they do for my next chapter then setting on the samurai fighting the defected Genhancer soldiers on the outskirts of Tokyo, trying to stop them from getting to the city to wreak everything there. You think that I'll should keep writing between the loyal soldiers and the samurai back-to-back till I have reach the point where the story focuses on the samurai only then to the soldiers?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 18, 2013, 05:07:22 AM
It depends on how important the characters are for both sides. If you've got main characters on both side basically you'll want a balance of the scenes that your showing.

All you should look for is to be careful when you switch around so that you don't lose the reader. Your also risking the sense of suspense if you show everything.

My advice would be to try it out, see how it feels to you in your head (imagine it as if it's an anime i guess) and change accordingly.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 18, 2013, 07:50:26 AM
I have often switched between two groups in stories to help show the differences between the two. But usually as the story continues I either introduce more characters to switch around with, or I keep the focus on them for more than a few chapters each. Changing how the focus works can help separate the acts of a story, and help show progression. But it also allows for bigger moments, more extended scenes, and can impart a sense of rising tension.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 18, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Well I meant that I'm writing seperate arcs to the samurai and the soldiers for this main arc, first comes the samurai then the soldiers. James and Jack, codenamed 'Twin Wolves' together, are the main characters of the soldier side. Them have their own arc after the arc for the samurai. The title story may mislead you but, I want to have both different protagonists as having just the samurai would be tiresome as the story goes on. I'm showing conflicting traits between the main characters of each side: Sakuri and Sukari Keneiyu fight alongside their friends, James and Jack act alone on missions, hence their 'Wolf' codename.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 19, 2013, 04:10:07 AM
The same advice still applies basically. It's okay to write two different arcs or versions or whatever. How long is an arc exactly? In terms of chapters?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 19, 2013, 02:14:25 PM
Depends on how far you're into the manga. I've seen the first arcs stretch into the 70-100 zone, while arcs with 'Middle-plot syndrome' are often something like 20 or 30 chapters.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 19, 2013, 05:04:28 PM
I thought up the arc for the soldiers, named 'Soldier's Heaven arc', will be shorter than the samurai as the latter goes around the world in a attempt to free the countries from the defected Genhancer soldiers that are destroying them because of the countries' 'hatred' to America.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on April 20, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
I think a standard arc is 30 chapters. Then again, I don't read much manga so I could be horribly wrong. :noidea:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 21, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
There are 2 chapter arcs. I don't think there's really a "standard" for the amount of chapters in an arc. As long as it's a story that contains multiple chapters, it's an arc.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 22, 2013, 02:45:48 AM
I'd imagine the(Implied) minimum would be at least one volume. It'd be strange to start another arc within the same book, but maybe that's just me...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 22, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
There are really short arcs, especially in more episodic manga/comics.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 22, 2013, 12:17:37 PM
Gintama is a good example of that i guess
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 22, 2013, 05:41:31 PM
Another question, the last arc of my story will take place 1000 years after the third arc, the setting being a post-apocalyptic world. After 1000 years, almost the whole world lays in ruins after countless wars, the Americans and the Japanese (along with their respective countries) survived the apocalypse, America became a haven, providing futuristic technology for both races, only at least 50,000 Japanese people remained in Japan, not wanting to leave their home. Despite the world being almost destroyed, peace have still not been achieved, ironcally, the Americans are being discriminated on their homeland, the Japanese were given superiority over them because of the government's decisions, which were ordered by their new leaders, two former legendary soldiers from the distant past as they had enough of their own race being responsible for the countless wars their people's ancestors have caused over generations.

What are your opinions?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 22, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
Well as things always go with last arcs it all depends on how you want to end it. What's the big end to end all ends. You have to make sure the setting can build up to what you want in the correct manner. If it can, then you really don't have to worry too much.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 23, 2013, 12:31:46 AM
I have an ending, it won't be a happy one, I have the Keneiyu Twins, the main protagonists, left their fates unknown.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 27, 2013, 01:31:26 PM
About actions in writing, how can I best describe battles when writing my story? I'm aware that the samurai protagonists, fighting with swords, go against the antagonists with guns can be nonsense, but I have that explained.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 27, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
I have no idea how much you know about your manga, but when I write I find it helpful to not think too far ahead. It keeps your mind open, and allows new ideas through constantly; You never know, something brilliant might slip into a brain while it's grinding away with thought. That probably won't happen if you plan far ahead.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 27, 2013, 04:31:30 PM
Well battles are tricky to describe because you have to be extra clear about what's happening. My advice is to do a very plain write up. Make sure it's very easily understood. At this point it is ok to start adding some flourish, but do it carefully. There isn't anything more annoying than reading a battle scene that you can't make any sense of.

To help work around this, plan out the battle in your head first. Get a good outline of any major movements you want to include. Next, make sure these all flow together with each other. Battles need to be fluid when you're ingesting them. It helps provide feel and texture for them.

Lastly, and perhaps most important, know how one would actually fight using the weapon they're wielding. Knowing the reality of things will help you immensely when trying to convey actions. Case in point: If you ever see a sword battle in fiction, you're going to see the combatants bashing their blades directly against each other quite a lot. But no real samurai would actually fight like that. It ruins a blade doing that. It's more about movement. Swing, dodge, parry. But never bang the edges against each other.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 27, 2013, 04:49:12 PM
The samurais' swords are created to be almost unbreakable. No problem being ruined when fighting against soldiers who uses guns, explosions and even tanks.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on April 27, 2013, 05:10:19 PM
Wouldn't want to scratch it though  :noyoudon't:
I think a dodge 'n slash like Coryn said would be more suitable, especially if they're fighting against 'Grunts' and such. Wouldn't really get in a lightsaber style fight with a rifleman...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on April 27, 2013, 07:00:20 PM
Well currently in my story, they are now fighting officers of the defected Genhancer army, which they proved a threat to the protagonists as they are very powerful being high ranked soldiers within the US Armed Forces before defecting. 6 of the officers are Majors, the one who are leading them is a Colonel, the highest ranked that a Genhancer soldier can achieve, also meaning one of the strongest soldiers of the army.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 12, 2013, 11:43:05 PM
Ahhhh, that lovely feeling of deciding to write a story one way, and then writing it completely differently. Plot changes can be marvelous(ly annoying) sometimes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 13, 2013, 03:24:33 AM
Methinks i should get some actual writing done
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on May 13, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
I feel the same way Lego. Been doing a lot of weapon/equipment designs, so I'm busy either way though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 28, 2013, 12:45:23 PM
So after being desperate for any sort of help in my writing life. I went and honestly searched for tips from my favourite writers, Neil Gaiman among them.

That writer's block that i felt, that absolute uninspiration that strikes me after the honeymoon period of coming up with a story got me, and i took the advice to just keep writing and push past it. And i managed to do it. Even without any music at all. I just set my mind to it and it was painful as hell, but finally i finished through the first draft and finished the work. It is a horrible mess but i love it and it felt amazing.

http://winningedits.com/neil-gaiman-on-writing/

I think i'm going to go finish Dystopic Blades 2 now. It's time to whittle down all of my work in progresses and all my projects. If i can do that again i can do this.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 28, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Finishing things has always been hard for me, but it is always rewarding when I finish something.

That feeling though of writing that first draft... it's like trying to retrieve small underground wires buried in mud with open wounds on your hands. And it's 102° outside with 100% humidity.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 28, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
I find that description apt
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 28, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
I take it you've finished your TKOR story for the most part?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 31, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
Chatted with a blind kid today. He had some obvious mental delays, but the way he described things intrigued me profoundly. Here's a conversation I had with him:
 
  "I'm going to the Homepetal Haircut," he said.
  "What happens there?" I inquired.
  "They're going to make me feel good at the Homepetal Haircut."
  "How are they going to make you feel good?"
  "They're going to make noise, make me feel good at the Homepetal Haircut."
  "Make noise? What kind of noise?" He made a gesture over his head.
  "Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!"

I sort of marveled at the odd description of a haircut from the perspective of someone without a sense of sight. To him a haircut meant hearing a buzzing noise and the message of an electric razor against his scalp. He had never seen his own hair before. We often use the phrase "like trying to describe sight to a blind person," but what might it actually be like to describe sight like a blind person, if that makes any sense whatsoever. I don't know exactly how this applies to writing, but thought it might be interesting to see what other writers thought of it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2013, 04:18:28 AM
That is actually pretty interesting. It occurs to me that I thought that audio books could cater for a blind person, but now that I think of it not completely, since we describe things mostly by sight.

I imagine sense of distance is hard to describe as well? Or maybe it's too complicated for the boy to say 'to make my hair shorter so that it doesn't reach my ears."

That dialogue rings really true for some reason. I can almost imagine the boy as a character in a story. He seems endearing for some reason.


I take it you've finished your TKOR story for the most part?

Super late reply but... yes. Yes i have
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 01, 2013, 10:09:35 AM
I sort of see it like the science behind something. When you take a drug, your body reacts. You describe what your body feels, but not what's actually happening in your brain, even if you know exactly what's happening. That kid probably knew what a haircut was, but described it the way his senses perceived it.

I have considered using him as a character in one of my stories, and I know exactly which one could use him...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2013, 10:16:02 AM
Yeah i do always find that annoying, how we are supposedly in control of our bodies and our brains are the centre of everything. Wouldn't it be beneficial to the body if the brain communicated everything it's up to in your body? I mean if there's a tumour somewhere, combining with whatever knowledge you have couldn't the brain directly inform it's adjacent thinking centres 'oy! There's a mutant clusters of cells around here go to the hospital!'

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 01, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
Well some points to make. Firstly, audio books can work pretty much as well for blind people as for people with good sight. They still live in the same world we do after all. They can still understand distance, velocity, weight, shape. And most blind people don't start blind, and of those who do start blind, not all of them are completely black out blind, so they still have a sense of color.

As for the communication with your brain thing. It just wouldn't work. You see the only reason we actually function is because our brains know what information to process and what information to just ignore. If they took in everything and relayed it to you you'd just end up an overloaded blob on the ground. It why old people get senile. It's not that their brains are wearing out from age. Your brain actually just keeps getting better with age. Old people cant find their keys and forget stuff all the time because their brains are actually working TOO good. It stops blocking out as much as it used to, so they get overloaded.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2013, 12:25:54 PM
Hmm... I especially had no idea about that last part.

Maybe by some crazy parallel the 'old sensei who knows how to fight like hell' is accurate because they're not exactly intellectuals and therefore overload much later than others...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 01, 2013, 01:06:40 PM
Well intellect really has nothing to do with it. It's all a matter of sensory inputs.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2013, 02:13:10 PM
Hm. I see.

In other news UNHOLY HELL the plot of my story turns out to be utterly unoriginal.

Just stumbled on this http://myanimelist.net/manga/26370/Dark_Air

In Dark Peak magic also dissapears from the world. T-T It really sucks to see this happen. AND LOOK. They both begin with 'Dark' as well. I don't even know...

T-T Depressing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 01, 2013, 03:24:54 PM
I think, also, your subconscious doesn't define things in words. The words for "mutant" "cells" etc. are different in different languages. And what if that person has no idea what tumors are? The brain's warning would be meaningless. On the other hand, your body does react to those sensations and that, I think, is the most effective universal subconscious-to-conscious notification device.

Sorry to hear about your story. If it's any consolation, Dark Air might have stolen it from Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2013, 03:31:01 PM
Wait, those stories talk about vanishing magic too?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 01, 2013, 04:28:25 PM
Well, sort of. Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell (one book) starts off with theoretical magicians, magicians who theorize, but cannot practice magic, which has not been practiced for hundreds of years and no one knows why or how it disappeared. Soon comes along Mr. Norrell who is a practical magician, and everybody goes gaga over him, but then there is a younger, more talented practical magician named Jonathan Strange who enrolls as Norrell's apprentice.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 02, 2013, 12:38:56 AM
You've read them all I take it?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 02, 2013, 08:58:59 AM
Again, one book, not a series. :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 02, 2013, 05:19:23 PM
Spazzing is sort of just what i do >.>
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 16, 2013, 03:49:19 PM
What exactly would mark the end of an arc? Would it be a triumph over the villain, or just a major marking point in the story (like the end of a TV season)?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 17, 2013, 11:04:57 AM
Well, you can think of an arc as a mini plot within the plot.

Let's take bleach for an example. Kubo has the story split up into 3 arcs. Shinigami Arc, Arrancar Arc, Quincy Arc.

But each of those major arcs have their own sub arcs. Looking at the first Shinigami arc, we have Hollow hunting arc, followed by a training arc, followed by the invasion of soul society arc.

So in essence the end of an arc would be the conclusion of the subplot. So in the training arc for instance, he finishes his training, and thus the arc.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 17, 2013, 11:24:07 AM
I see. I've been sort of planning my arc like a TV Season, with a major major event marking the end of it. I suppose it could be considered the end of a sub-plot.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on June 17, 2013, 01:36:47 PM
Bleach? Plot? There's a reason that Tite Kubo became such a great meme-fuel

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls9be7C5au1qg220qo1_400.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls9bh1KzUj1qg220qo1_400.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4m5nwFmQ1qg220qo1_400.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhym1gESDC1qg220qo1_400.jpg)

In all honesty, though, an "arc" is just a standalone bump on the ol' that can function as a standalone story.

And yes, the Extra Credits team says it best. Although it focuses on Viddy Games, they rock: http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/amnesia-and-story-structure
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 17, 2013, 07:45:03 PM
Hmm. Most of my plot is closely connected, so I would assume that, by that definition, it has only one arc.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on June 17, 2013, 08:00:13 PM
That works just fine for me! As much as I love a big, broad, sweeping epic of a piece, there are far too many young authors that see the long-form comic as the best way to start. I'm fairly certain that this is the exact opposite of the smart idea.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 17, 2013, 08:06:25 PM
Yeah, if you want longevity, you want a story that can do lots and lots of little arcs. If you want to tell a powerful and direct but ultimately shorter story, do long form.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 17, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
To me, it doesn't matter quite yet how long the story is. As long as I like the idea enough to push through the tough parts.

On another note, any action writing tips? I find I just really don't like writing it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 17, 2013, 08:26:31 PM
Well, first you actually have to be accurately describe the action taking place. Be blunt and descriptive. All that matters is that it's understandable. Once you have the down, then you can make it flowery and interesting to read.

Cause if it reads pretty but doesn't make sense, it's not worth reading.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on June 17, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
Well, first you actually have to be accurately describe the action taking place. Be blunt and descriptive. All that matters is that it's understandable. Once you have the down, then you can make it flowery and interesting to read.

Cause if it reads pretty but doesn't make sense, it's not worth reading.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree...

A well-choreographed fight scene can take an awful lot of time to write out and it bogs down the action. A straight poetic scene can grab the reader's attention while describing the feel of a fight. Bear in mind that actual fights between two genuinly angry parties are over INCREDIBLY fast.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 18, 2013, 02:07:39 AM
On that note of a long description of a fight scene Tom Clancy pulls it off pretty well. Huge fat paragraphs of people taking shots at eachother, and it seems technical and dull, but it's pretty exciting stuff to read especially considering the situations he describes. I think the main thing that worked was that everything made sense.

However having read Vampire Hunter D i've seen the author's habit of adding that 'flowery' language to describe whats happening. It works pretty well. He mostly uses metaphors that may seem over the top some times but i've grown used to it. The core of it all though is that I at least know whether it's a flowery description of an attack or a form of defense within the story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 18, 2013, 12:40:36 PM
Well I think it's possible that both sides of this argument are correct. Authors have different styles for a reason after all, and of course different readers are also looking for different things.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 25, 2013, 10:56:35 PM
http://mentalfloss.com/article/51362/4-changes-english-so-subtle-we-hardly-notice-theyre-happening

I usually notice the "get-passive" and avoid it in poetry, but the others have passed with stealth under my language-sensitive nasal cavities.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 26, 2013, 05:22:55 AM
Interesting, though i totally don't recall my speech patterns. In any case, I like the old school English better, so i'll be getting all this memorized as soon as i can
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 27, 2013, 04:18:10 PM
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/

A science-fiction encyclopedia.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on June 27, 2013, 04:32:42 PM
Tha'z pretty kool!  :ninja:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on July 01, 2013, 01:58:09 PM
I'm kind of in a writer's identity crisis. I keep realizing how much I take from other stories, and how I use those elements less competently.

It's one of the bigger buzzkills I've experienced.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 01, 2013, 07:29:52 PM
well there is one way to solve your problem, and that's by making it worse.

Get on tvtropes for a few hours and take in as much as you can. And then remember that everybody is already using all the same stuff. The rest is just experience/
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MrHassanSan on July 01, 2013, 07:53:01 PM
Caution: Do not start reading TV Tropes if you actually have things to do today this week this month ever.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on July 01, 2013, 09:58:31 PM
Thanks. I'll take a look at it. I've looked at some stuff on TV tropes, but I've never really browsed the site before.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 02, 2013, 03:59:19 AM
Same thing happened to me and i think it may again. I do visit tvtroupes a lot though. But be warned it will suck the time out of your day haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on July 05, 2013, 02:42:59 AM
On that note of a long description of a fight scene Tom Clancy pulls it off pretty well. Huge fat paragraphs of people taking shots at eachother, and it seems technical and dull, but it's pretty exciting stuff to read especially considering the situations he describes. I think the main thing that worked was that everything made sense.

However having read Vampire Hunter D i've seen the author's habit of adding that 'flowery' language to describe whats happening. It works pretty well. He mostly uses metaphors that may seem over the top some times but i've grown used to it. The core of it all though is that I at least know whether it's a flowery description of an attack or a form of defense within the story.

Ever read a Chris Ryan novel? The guy packs so much action that you don't even notice how long it is.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 05, 2013, 06:00:06 AM
Chris Ryan? Can't say i have. How good is he?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on July 05, 2013, 03:16:02 PM
Pretty damn good. He wrote a popular teenager's novel series, and other than that he writes a lot of military oriented action books. Personally I recommend 'Killzone' or 'Firefight'. He really knows how to keep a person reading.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: theneos on July 13, 2013, 10:36:48 PM
How do you basically write a story for a manga.

Do you write it like in a screenplay? or just like a novel/short story?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on July 14, 2013, 05:40:45 AM
In my opinion a screenplay would be best, because manga is very similar to a movie in terms of scenes and flow. :smile:

You could also try learning how to make storyboards, that'll increase you chances to get a artist, though you don't exactly have to learn how to panel, just put the scenes onto paper in boxes with stickfigures and dialogue. Here's a link to a tutorial if you want it:
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,8024.0.html

It's up to you what you want to do though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: theneos on July 14, 2013, 08:41:28 AM
Thanks! will check that out  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 22, 2013, 04:47:26 PM
I read a little bit of "Writing Fiction" by Janet Burroway, Elizabeth Stuckey-French, Ned Stuckey-French, chock full of quotes from and stories about famous writers. It featured some of the most helpful advice I've ever received about writing. For instance, it talks about how, although the computer works very well for free-writing and first drafts, the physical format can bring to light a lot of mistakes in the revision process.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 27, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
I'm always looking out for quotes nowadays, people can write really potent stuff with few words. There's no chance i'll be able to buy that so i'll go download it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 27, 2013, 02:26:12 PM
It's not just a quote book either. It's a full-on textbook, and, even when I think I know the topic already, it never ceases to offer helpful advice.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on September 23, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Taking some fiction writing classes in college. I have to say these classes are inspiring me to really step my game up. These classes force me to write more which I think its a good thing for me. I feel like im getting better, but I still feel like my weakest areas is descriptions and detail. Definitely gonna be improving on those areas the most.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 23, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
Nice to have you back. Or at least... somewhat more active.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on September 24, 2013, 06:46:01 PM
Thanks man. Hopefully I'm back for good lol.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Writing classes eh? Sounds neat! teach us some things some times
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 03:53:29 PM
random thoughts are random ~

Hm... I really want to make it big now. I want my name on a bestsellers list and win some sort of tangible reward. I want to be able to pay for my food with my writing.

That's the thought that just occurs to me. Where exactly does one start from though? There's so many directions i could take but i'm not sure how to start. I think i really don't want to publish in my own country though.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 26, 2013, 04:46:55 PM
Well, assuming you have a story, you can always reach out to an american publisher. In the world of instantaneous communication from one side of the world to the other, there really isn't a big difficulty with that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 05:01:23 PM
random thoughts are random ~

Hm... I really want to make it big now. I want my name on a bestsellers list and win some sort of tangible reward. I want to be able to pay for my food with my writing.

That's the thought that just occurs to me. Where exactly does one start from though? There's so many directions i could take but i'm not sure how to start. I think i really don't want to publish in my own country though.

In the United States alone, around 800,000 manuscripts are sent to publishers to be read. Most publishers don't even read much of the work that is sent to them. Although it seems bleak, all you have to remember is that persistence and patience will pay off. Remember that even some of the best and most famous writers were rejected many times before finding a publisher. It may not even come down to whether your work is good or not but rather what the company is looking for. Research publishers and see what type of genres they tend to publish.

When you inquire publishers you have to do so through an agent if you want to be taken seriously. You should read into that because it can be too complicated to post here in a short response. Another option is to self publish, which writers like Tom Clancy did long ago. You can do this through Amazon and other companies dedicated to such services that will help in the process of design and blah, blah, etc. It can be a crap shoot, but if you choose the right company to assist you and are willing to put in the money it takes to get noticed then it all comes down to general interest and luck. Note that when it comes down to self publishing help, around 90% of the time it will come down to "you get what you pay for."
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 05:05:09 PM
Even Tom Clancy selfi-published?! Huh. I also recently read and finished The Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini. Apparently he self-marketed himself into popularity. I really enjoyed his books.

Question; Do you believe that every good story gets published or is it every well marketed story gets published?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 26, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
^Every? No. More the latter than the former, but it really depends on the publisher. If you want to write a novel, I would really recommend "Writing Fiction," which I believe I mentioned earlier in this very thread. It's very thorough and very helpful. It doesn't touch on publishing, but I guarantee your stories will be 100% more publishable by the advice given in the book.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 05:29:21 PM
Gaaah! I keep on saying 'i'll get to it. I'll put it on the list.' but end up forgetting. Okay. I'm putting it in my google search right now 'writing fiction'. There. Done
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
Even Tom Clancy selfi-published?! Huh. I also recently read and finished The Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini. Apparently he self-marketed himself into popularity. I really enjoyed his books.

Question; Do you believe that every good story gets published or is it every well marketed story gets published?

There are a lot of bad novels out there. Many novels are published because they either fall in line with a genre the publisher wants or that just really stood out. Reality is that most manuscripts aren't even read entirely when they're actually read at all. Many just have the first chapter or so read. It seems crappy, but think of how many manuscripts are sent in. That's why you need an agent to get through to publishers.

When you self publish you have full control of all rights and make a ton more money if it gets big. You do the work getting it out. If you choose Amazon to self publish, it is likely you won't find your book outside of Amazon.com. If you choose something like Author House, they will help you with the process of design, marketing, etc, but it will cost you a lot of your own money, I can't emphasize that enough. But they will get it onto more sites digitally and onto shelves if you pay for the books (each copy around $5 or $6, so do the math, that's a lot of money). But if it sells, which is what those self publishing sites want, then you'll have no issue making back what you poured into your efforts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
So it's a risk huh. I'm not sure how much money i can raise on my own but if that's the case i guess i'll try. How much would YOU like to have if you ever thought of self-publishing? 500 bucks? 1000?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
So it's a risk huh. I'm not sure how much money i can raise on my own but if that's the case i guess i'll try. How much would YOU like to have if you ever thought of self-publishing? 500 bucks? 1000?

I should note that I am undecided on which path to definitely take. I will likely send in a summary of my novel to reputable agents and see where that takes me. So really, I want to try the publishers first. I also have Author House waiting in the wings for my finished work. They will be following up with me in January to see how everything is going. Note that they won't hound you, if you don't work with them or avoid them, they move on.

As for the money, it depends. The e-book market in reality only accounts for 22% of the world's sales in books, so you'll want physical copies too. I suppose that (and I could be wrong about this one) one may want a small number of physical copies to start. If that is the case, I would want around $1,000 to $2,000.

Richard Adams did this with Watership Down long ago with a local publisher, little did they know it would explode in popularity right off. This netted him a big publisher, but he ended up losing the rights in how it was marketed and sold, so be careful. Again, an agent is important.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 05:49:43 PM
So... find an agent first i guess. I think i'll look into getting some short story competition wins at some reputable sites and then building up from that contact an agent when i write a novel.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
So... find an agent first i guess. I think i'll look into getting some short story competition wins at some reputable sites and then building up from that contact an agent when i write a novel.

That's an idea, but contact Author House for more details too. How far are you into your novel?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
I've already written one but it's nowhere near anything that i want to see in print. I still need to work on a better piece or improve upon that novel.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 06:01:41 PM
I've already written one but it's nowhere near anything that i want to see in print. I still need to work on a better piece or improve upon that novel.

How many pages? What is your target reader? What age-range? What genre? Why do YOU believe it is nowhere near anything you want to see in print? As a writer, we have to be our harshest critics, but sometimes, we allow ourselves to be too harsh without other opinions to look at. Have you let anyone read your novel?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 06:22:09 PM
134 pages (though to be honest i find page count unreliable in terms of counting size), not sure about target readers, i just wrotie it. Young adult fiction age range i guess, whichever that is. Science fantasy, I believe it isn't good enough because everything feels flimsy and rushed over. I could put more effort into it and add more scenes.

I let a friend read it and he said he enjoyed it, but I don't trust that he enjoyed it objectively. I'd rather someone else i don't know read it and told me what they thought.

My father read it and said that it should be revised somehow, but i haven't asked him more than that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 06:52:18 PM
134 pages (though to be honest i find page count unreliable in terms of counting size), not sure about target readers, i just wrotie it. Young adult fiction age range i guess, whichever that is. Science fantasy, I believe it isn't good enough because everything feels flimsy and rushed over. I could put more effort into it and add more scenes.

I let a friend read it and he said he enjoyed it, but I don't trust that he enjoyed it objectively. I'd rather someone else i don't know read it and told me what they thought.

My father read it and said that it should be revised somehow, but i haven't asked him more than that.

How long ago did your father read it? If it was recently, then ask him everything you can while it is fresh. If a friend reads a lot, you may be able to trust their opinion. You must make it clear before they read it though that you want an honest opinion, no matter how harsh it may be. Also, remember that if someone doesn't like the story, that doesn't mean that the story is bad. Ask about your writing style, if it stands out. That's the most important thing.

If you're unsure about details, remember that every small detail in a story is solid. Go back and revise if you believe the story is done. if not, keep going until you finish. Editing should always be done last. I'm paying the price for that now because I ended up delaying the finish time I had for my work by a year by going back to edit.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 06:56:09 PM
I'll take that advice. Thanks
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 26, 2013, 07:21:26 PM
I've been too afraid to write a novel. So much work. How long did it take you guys to finish the first draft?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 26, 2013, 07:29:52 PM
I've been too afraid to write a novel. So much work. How long did it take you guys to finish the first draft?

I haven't finished my novel yet, I'm 144 pages in. To get to where I am now, about a year. But that's because of work, college, and the fact that I mistakenly edited the heck out of it before finishing. Writing a novel can be daunting, but you have to dive in. I say go for it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 26, 2013, 07:58:59 PM
Hmm. I have a manga script that I can turn into the first chapter of a novel. Still, right now I'd like to be committed to editing my series, Dream Library. Maybe NaNoWriMo would be my window.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 26, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
It took me some months of the year. I really don't remember as I've revised it so much. However time is not much of a factor for me these days. The last nano I did in 2011 I finished 50k words in 2 weeks so speed is definately something I have. I highly recommend nano, because somewhere along the line the inner editor just must die if you want to ever finish. It was a thrilling challenge that I hope I can undertake again this year.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on September 27, 2013, 09:31:36 AM
What was Nano again? I remember the name but I can't remember the concept behind it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 27, 2013, 10:09:38 AM
http://nanowrimo.org


It's National November Writing Month. Every November you all come together to write a 50K word novel. It's brutal, it's crazy, but quite a life experience to have. I will most definately participate in it again.

It runs on an honour system that pretty much works imo. I'm sceptical, but apparently people clock that amount of words even by pen and paper. They're true monstrous veterans out there, but i enjoyed every bit of it.


@ Paipis you really should get to writing a novel. Your dream library could work quite well, or any other work really. I found that so long as you're putting words into it over time you'll surprise yourself by finding a complete novel. You won't always love the result especially as a first draft, but it's a really satisfying feeling finishing a novel.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 27, 2013, 10:28:53 AM
National Novel Writing Month, that is.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 27, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
Facepalm. Yeah. That.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 27, 2013, 12:21:36 PM
There's a good reason to get started.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 27, 2013, 08:15:35 PM
I'm signed up now. It's official. If I back out, both of you have my permission to confiscate all my unicorns. Yes, you read that right. All of them.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Tornade on September 27, 2013, 08:51:26 PM
I'm signed up now. It's official. If I back out, both of you have my permission to confiscate all my unicorns. Yes, you read that right. All of them.

Dibs, I think.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 12, 2013, 05:32:38 PM
There's a light at the end of the tunnel with Dream Library! I just have to revise the format a bit and I'm done with chapter 1.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 12, 2013, 07:09:53 PM
Great to hear Paipis! Glad that could work out, I know the feels of something like that happening with stories. Go!!!!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 12, 2013, 07:37:03 PM
Thanks. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on October 12, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
So at my school we have this event for writers called "Writers at lunch" where creative writing majors can come get free food, read some of their work out loud for others to hear and even get a chance to hear from famous authors (Famous in the literary community) who come in for a hour or so to talk about some of their work and give to advice to inspiring writers. In fact, one these authors said something that got me thinking a lot lately.

I really can't remember the guy's name but he said while he was coming up as a writer, he would study the work of another famous writer (Whose name I can't remember as well). Long story short, he ends up quoting one of his favorite sayings by this writer which was...

"You shouldn't take advice from someone who hasn't written a masterpiece."

Not really sure if that's exactly what he said and I'm not really sure I can 100% agree with that statement, but it was definitely a interesting statement nonetheless.

So, I was wondering if you guys have any thoughts on this. Agree? Disagree? I'm kinda on the fence myself.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 12, 2013, 10:08:41 PM
It seems to me that the guy who wrote it (assuming he wasn't actually a big enough name for you to remember) might have been a bit full of himself? Like: "Don't take advice from people who aren't *censored*ing awesome. Oh look, I just gave you some advice! guess what that makes me!?"

I don't know, seems kinda week. Getting advice is always good, and sure you should weight it accordingly, but just ignoring the others? Not a good plan methinks.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on October 12, 2013, 10:34:56 PM
i agree with what Coryn said though, advice is just that...advice.  regardless of who gives it. i like a quote from Confucius


"If I am walking with two other men, each of them will serve as my teacher.
I will pick out the good points of the one and imitate them,
and the bad points of the other and correct them in myself"
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 13, 2013, 01:39:34 AM
take advice from ppl with the highest standards...but also who knows that there are restrictions that all genres need to follow at certain times.


Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: B9F8 on October 13, 2013, 07:11:10 AM
Quote from: Wilson Mizner
To profit from good advice requires more wisdom than to give it.

^That's pretty much my opinion when it comes to advice.

A man who has not written a masterpiece yet has no reason to share his advice with others, and in fact - any that he may share is probably bad or incorrect advice in the first place; which could be a testament to his current inability to write a masterpiece or an attempt to throw others off the ladder to greatness.

While someone who has already written a masterpiece, generally has nothing to lose and their advice has been tried and proven.

So @ Fronomonal

I do not disagree with what the guy is saying.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 13, 2013, 07:35:58 AM


"You shouldn't take advice from someone who hasn't written a masterpiece."


the dangerous things about quotes from famous people is that they're taken as fundamental thruth.  I'd say no to this statement
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Post by: Coryn on October 13, 2013, 10:51:19 AM
Thinking about it, the thing I probably don't like the most about this quote is that it basically renders the idea of MR null and void if you believe in it.

Like, the whole point is a group of people who want to get better by helping each other out. All in it together until we make it to the stars and all. But I don't think any of us have penned a 'masterpiece'. So really, if you don't think anyone who hasn't written a masterpiece should be giving advice, why even show up at all?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: B9F8 on October 13, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
Thinking about it, the thing I probably don't like the most about this quote is that it basically renders the idea of MR null and void if you believe in it.

Like, the whole point is a group of people who want to get better by helping each other out. All in it together until we make it to the stars and all. But I don't think any of us have penned a 'masterpiece'. So really, if you don't think anyone who hasn't written a masterpiece should be giving advice, why even show up at all?

To me, the point of a forum like this is (suppose to be) to share and practice knowledge that you've attained from people who have written or drawn successfully at a professional level. We aren't exactly here to learn from each other; we are here to help each other learn from and understand the masters.

This is of course my "ideal" manga making forum.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 13, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
I'm pretty glad i'm living in my ideal forum
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 13, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
I understand the intent of the comment. The writer is simply warning against "How 2 Write" books in dollar stores. Fair enough.

Too, advice doesn't necessarily mean critique. Advice is given by someone with experience to someone with less experience to describe a way to solve certain problems. In other words, a "tip." Also fair.

Where I diverge from this viewpoint is in the use of the word "masterpiece." Is it even possible to quantify a masterpiece? No, not really. Any thing we regard as a masterpiece is going to coincide with our artistic ideals; therefore, we only take advice from people who already perfectly line up with what we find important in art and we ignore other perspectives. In my experience, changing what we find important in art (from "likable characters" to "well-executed characters" for instance) is a component of improving our art.

The other possible definition for "masterpiece" in this context is a piece that is famous and/or well-regarded among its respective community. But certainly there are pieces that get more attention than they deserve, and other pieces that don't get near enough attention.

So, even agreeing with part of what he's trying to express, I still find that the best solution is to weigh all advice logically. Sure, those who have written things I regard as masterpieces will give advice to which I ascribe greater weight, but I wouldn't ignore advice from a fellow writer who may have something helpful to say that he learned on his own.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 18, 2013, 04:43:52 PM
Just forced myself to write 2000 words inspiration or not. It was brutal. Fighting against block is pretty bad. The best way to describe it was like it was a constipation of the brain. Nano is going to be even worse I suppose.

I forgot that horrible feeling of hating to hell whatever you're writing. I loathed it completely and utterly but still I managed to get through it. It would be really interesting if i could master going against such a strong anti-writing feeling. I think I'll turn out that much better if I can.

When I finally reached a reasonable stopping point in writing I pushed it into a wordcounter to see how much I had remaining to write: 2307 words. Phew! I was done! And epic feels all around.

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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 18, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Ouch. I've been trying to write more and more at a time. The problem is I get distracted for ideas in later parts of the story. Inspiration can actually hurt you sometimes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 18, 2013, 09:17:54 PM
Man seriously? Give me this endless well of inspiration please!
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 18, 2013, 11:03:55 PM
*Draws some inspiration water* Here ya go! DISCLAIMER: Inspiration does not write the story for you.

Maybe a development of style would help. What have you liked about the past few animes you've watched/mangas you've read? Right now, because of Penguindrum, I'm gorging some books on mythology and folklore so I can use some of their subjects as symbols.
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Post by: legomaestro on October 19, 2013, 05:24:24 AM
I take it you looked into some of the symbology of it all huh? There were so many forum discussions and takes on everything down to the ending. Some things became clearer to me only because I saw these discussions. That was one multi-layered story. I don't know how people can write something like that without obstructing the story completely.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 20, 2013, 06:28:51 AM
Question

Where do you keep your writer notes? Digitally or on an actual notepad? Which do you find to be better?
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Post by: Khaliisto on October 20, 2013, 07:39:25 AM
Question

Where do you keep your writer notes? Digitally or on an actual notepad? Which do you find to be better?

Not sure if this question was asked in general, but if it was, I do both. There are actually times where the classic feel of pencil/pen and pad makes the creativity flow better for me. Not to mention there are just sometimes where I definitely don't feel like typing.

On the other hand, depending on if I need to format what I'm writing, as in a numbered list or a chart, something that would benefit from being able to have more structure, I definitely use the computer. The great thing about it is the ability to easily back up, edit, (with my handwriting, read) and such. Although digital documents obviously aren't totally impervious to being lost, it feels far less likely, especially when I store them online, that any harm will ever come to my work.

At the end of the day, I always keep a small notepad and a small pencil with me, as creativity often flows when I'm not at home. Later, I type those scribbled little lines up so I can save them.
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 20, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
I carry a notebook with me to a lot of places, so I suppose I do it on a notebook most of the time.
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Post by: legomaestro on October 20, 2013, 10:17:25 AM
I see.

Do you use it often to record things? I just noticed I fell out of the habit, which is a pity but hopefully I've recovered from that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 20, 2013, 10:38:15 AM
I don't usually record things I see or hear, but more how observations I make might be relevant to a story of mine.
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Post by: legomaestro on October 20, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
Well not everything, but just interesting stuff. I regret not doing that because for something like Mawaru for examlpe (when the show wasn't leaving me hopelessly enthralled) I'd have liked to jot down some of the feelings that I had at the time
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 21, 2013, 11:15:38 AM
Stephen King's On Writing is a great book. It's really put some things into focus for me, I hope to finish it by today. Guy is good at what he does.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 21, 2013, 11:26:37 AM
Motivation to revise anyone? I've come to at least tolerate writing a first draft without revising, but revising, especially writing new scenes and trying to incorporate them with the old ones is excruciating.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 21, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
I always try to listen to some of the music I used when writing it in the first place. Help's me get back into that original mindset some. Though if you don't use music, that might not be a very helpful tip.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 21, 2013, 11:42:19 AM
I do use music, but I haven't been listening to enough music lately to find something I'm thrilled about. I'll do some digging and see if the music helps.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 21, 2013, 11:43:53 AM
What revisions are you doing exactly? If it's completely writing new scenes then i'd say try to stay away from what you wrote at first as much as possible.

You could also take a slight tiny break and read something else for a while. The excitement of a good story could rub off on you.

I'd also say get out of the revision phase as soon as possible. Like by the end of this week or the beginning of the next be done with most of it. I'm not sure though, how much revision are you going to have to do before you start writing your story again?
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 21, 2013, 11:51:51 AM
I should clarify that I would be adding scenes to help understand certain things, but it's often not just free-writing, because I have to get from point A to point B, while still remaining relevant.

I haven't written anything in a couple days, so I think I might have more ideas when I look at the script afresh.

I plan to revise only for a couple days. I can spend an infinite amount of time revising, so I like to stop myself at some point. I also want to finish Dream Library. I might change some minor things, but I won't change anything major about the rewrite chapters once they're posted (Chapter 1 is posted with a couple changes, if you didn't know). I think the biggest service I can do myself at this point is finish something.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 21, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
*sigh man must be nice to finish a project.

Surprisingly though I've added a few more words to a story i started on ecchiworld, Punks under the bridge. I think i'll just work with what comes with me. I'm depressed by how well plotted plots just aren't working for me.

You know the kind of story i really want to work on? I want some epic wanderer kind of main character, like Van from Gun X Sword, Vash from Trigun, Ogami from Lone Wolf and Cub, D from Vampire Hunter D, Roland from The Dark Tower and of course like Coryn from Coryn Sken.

I think those are pretty fun characters to work with hmmm... but I have nothing, and I really had better the projects that I already have on my plate.



Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on October 21, 2013, 12:15:03 PM
I got into the bad habit of editing my writing as it was being put on the page. It's a great way to write essays and such for school, but it's killer for storytelling. I always feel like it's harder to change my writing when I already went through the difficulty of making it flow dramatically, and further editing would just throw a wrench in things.

I suggest that you learn to ignore the typos and grammar glitches, and really get into the mindset of typing in that stream-o-consciousness way. It makes the revisions a bit harder to understand when looking for your original intent, but it's much easier and more satisfying to prune a page that's full of mistakes.

"Oh, wow! Did I forget a semicolon in the fourth paragraph? I'd better change the structure of the third act. Probably ought to kill off that love interest, too!"
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 21, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
I use wordpad to avoid that kind of problem. Helps a lot. Still wish i had a typewriter.

Yeay just clocked 3K words in one sitting! Woot!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 21, 2013, 09:57:48 PM
Did some more mythological "research." Helps a bit to steal things from old stories.
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Post by: Nairbons on October 21, 2013, 11:06:35 PM
Did some more mythological "research." Helps a bit to steal things from old stories.

Man, does it ever. I've been reading a lot more of Mike Mignola's work on Hellboy, BPRD, and others. That man can find some of the most obscure creatures and gods, and they all come off as completely terrifying. It really lets you know that humans have always had bizzare, and often violent, imaginations.
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 21, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Did some more mythological "research." Helps a bit to steal things from old stories.

Man, does it ever. I've been reading a lot more of Mike Mignola's work on Hellboy, BPRD, and others. That man can find some of the most obscure creatures and gods, and they all come off as completely terrifying. It really lets you know that humans have always had bizzare, and often violent, imaginations.

I've been focusing on what is perhaps rooted in some history: King Arthur and his various compatriots. It's nice to read the stories, fill in plot gaps, and have things line up so well.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 21, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
i currently need someone who has extensively knowledge on Re:Birth and help with making it substantially different.
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Post by: legomaestro on October 22, 2013, 06:32:14 AM
I don't have extensive knowledge on it but when I do find the cash I'll read it. I've run out of manga anyways

Did some more mythological "research." Helps a bit to steal things from old stories.

Man, does it ever. I've been reading a lot more of Mike Mignola's work on Hellboy, BPRD, and others. That man can find some of the most obscure creatures and gods, and they all come off as completely terrifying. It really lets you know that humans have always had bizzare, and often violent, imaginations.

I've been focusing on what is perhaps rooted in some history: King Arthur and his various compatriots. It's nice to read the stories, fill in plot gaps, and have things line up so well.

I'm always scared of tinkering with already established histories, but it's something I'd love to be able to do. This guy wrote this novel Fault Lines i think? And in it characters eat the essence of ghosts to prolong their lives among other things. Thomas Edison was frequently referenced in it, even showing some scenes of his behaviour. And there were some gods like Dionysus (sp?). I really liked that book.

At the very least I want to be able to write Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. If i could learn to twist things like that it'd be a useful addition to my arsenal.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 23, 2013, 04:52:08 PM
Great, you can PM me and i can share with you some secret info that i don't want to reveal. see if it aligns with Re:Birth too much
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Post by: joymov on October 26, 2013, 07:15:15 PM
man, another uneventful day in suburbia, so whats up with you guys?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 26, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
need help distancing my story from the similarities of Re:birth -the lunatic takers
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Post by: Coryn on October 26, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
Well to start out, what are the similarities that you feel are the problem?
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Post by: Lumaria on October 26, 2013, 09:45:01 PM
i've posted them in the Lunacy discussion page. i've mentioned their similarities there but also what makes them different too within the similarities.

but for the most part, i barely read the series and so fat i'm not really getting much of it. it sounds like my idea, but more science fiction and less "focused". its from the creaters of freezing and unbalance x2 (or in the scanlation world UNbalance x unbalance)

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 27, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
Well, in general I think the best advice I can give is to think about whether or not these similarities REALLY matter that much. Basically, ask yourself if they cause you to actively want to change your story to make them different. If you decide yes, then look at each similarity individually, and once you have, ask yourself which of those ideas you'd actually be willing to scrap, and those you want to hold onto.

If you narrow the list down, you can start to see how you might be able to make changes, which will lead your story to a satisfactory place.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 27, 2013, 12:02:51 PM
Problem is most of these are set in stone, the idea is so consistent and vivid that i can't really change it in a big way. But i need to know if Re;Birth - the lunatic takers goes into a different direction further along or in a similar one that i'm in
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 27, 2013, 12:04:43 PM
Well if you just want to know where it's going, and you say that you've barely read the story, why not just finish reading the story, then get back to me?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 29, 2013, 04:45:07 PM
"Ugh" to those plot developments that hinge upon changing previous information in the story. :push:
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Post by: Lumaria on October 29, 2013, 05:12:08 PM
yeah....i discussed this with my old college friend. she says its quite similar, but since i'm using lunacy more literal than that series, she even dares to say it surpasses it.

I've read Re:Birth - Lunatic takers and i'm trying to continue, but i simply don't have the time and so far theres not much new information that i know of other than the first arc. so i looked up further information and it just sounds incredibly convoluted.
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 29, 2013, 05:21:40 PM
Go ahead and write it how you envisioned it. You won't get anywhere if you're trying too hard to differentiate it. If it's a good story, it will be a good story regardless of whether Re:Birth exists.

Although, I was actually referring to ideas for the plot that cause you to change the previous chapters to make room for it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 29, 2013, 05:35:37 PM
i dont know if i changed too much. i usually just expand or clarify. but yes, i sometimes change a very significant aspect in my story but i know its something that wont be fully envisioned until later.

its good that i planned an endgame, story arcs, and character development.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
I finished that manga... um... let's just say it's not my cup of tea. I really think stories aimed at ecchi can't help be flat tasteless creations. The main character reminded me of Makoto from School Days somehow i.e i wanted to tear my hear out and i wanted him to die a thousand deaths... ugh.

I appreciate the manga as a piece of work that i can't possibly make with my skillset, but as a story I hate it. I hate it really badly. I've seen morals discussed epicly in things like Death Note and Code Geass, so they really have no excuse in the way they made it sound repetitive and annoying in this one.

I'll still give the manga a 5/10 or even 6 because there are truly useless ones somewhere out there, but it wasn't my cup of tea.

As far as the similarities go you could draw some parallels with a shy/socially awkward male lead, some of the contract methodology and perhaps the 'tenshi's' equivalent would be your earthbounds, but I think you could spin your story in a different way for sure. The main thing is how the characters react and act in their situation.

I have learnt from reading the manga though, i've seen that a lot of story can be made out of a seemingly simple situation. In general I've also been inspired in certain aspects. I think I can definately try making something at least as good as this manga.

Well, that's my short review on it. I can be more specific if you like
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on October 29, 2013, 06:04:33 PM
what was the manga even?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2013, 06:12:28 PM
Re:Birth - Lunacy
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Post by: Lumaria on October 29, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
Re:birth - The Lunatic takers

to be exact
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2013, 08:08:46 PM
*facepalm.
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Post by: legomaestro on October 31, 2013, 11:55:16 PM
just an interesting take on writing a story.

http://www.darkhorse.com/Interviews/1261/Kazuo-Koike---The-Dark-Horse-Interview-3-3-06

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Post by: Coach Fro on November 01, 2013, 09:54:17 AM
Japanese politicians encouraging people in Japan to read more manga?! Did I read that right? :notunderstand:

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Post by: addg22 on November 01, 2013, 11:45:02 AM
Nice article lego. Thats cool how they talk about characters basically make the manga what it is. Thinking about it now there is always an enemy of the main character that is the opposite. Thats also a great peice of advice dont force the story on a character. Create an issue and think about how your character will solve it.
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Post by: legomaestro on November 01, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
It's also great because it lines up to what Stephen King says about that kind of stuff in his book On Writing. A story comes from a situation, not some intricately planned plot.

@ Frono haha exactly my thoughts
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Post by: addg22 on November 01, 2013, 02:42:12 PM
Yea i read another article that talked about plots but it was on a website that said if the character didnt have a goal then the whole plot falls. Ask yourself questions like does his current goal lead him to his main goal? I figured that is important as well like one peice pirate king. Naruto hokage. Its alright to let your characters nature decide its course but in the end he still has to do what you have planned out for him lol . I dont want to confuse anyone but i just confused myself after reading this . Hope you understand.
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Post by: legomaestro on November 10, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
For those apparently into puzzles, how would you use something like this in a story without fracturing someone's head?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square#Albrecht_D.C3.BCrer.27s_magic_square

I have no idea. I'd end up just making a magic square literally a magic square and perhaps the numbers show something important... maybe it'd be the GPS of a fantasy world.
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on November 10, 2013, 08:58:37 PM
In my current mindset, I would use it to build mystery or as a symbol. What mystery or what symbolism, I don't know.
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Post by: addg22 on November 12, 2013, 09:23:02 AM
Id probably put it as the more complex and difficult to understand the stronger the magic i guess. The more easy basic the weaker.it would be difficult to explain lol since i havent read enough to understand it completely.
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Post by: legomaestro on November 12, 2013, 09:39:28 AM
Yeah I hear you. There's a section on how to design your own though.

The magic square is basically the sum of the numbers in every row and column adds up to the same number >..> It's just that I'm bad at breaking down such complex stuff into interesting things like other authors seem able to pull off.
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Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on November 12, 2013, 07:14:49 PM
If I'm interested in incorporating it into a story I can usually find a way. You might try starting with a story idea and integrating the magic square into it to expand its horizons.
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Post by: Darksquirrel on November 13, 2013, 01:41:26 PM
Quick question guys, how many words do you think a 50 second speech is?
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Post by: IronQuill on November 13, 2013, 06:40:11 PM
Quick question guys, how many words do you think a 50 second speech is?

dude, really...the only way to find that out is to say it out loud and time it. you could use cue cards if its a speech, or if you have power point that times a speech as well. the problem is depending on the vocabulary used, some words are longer than others to state the obvious.
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Post by: Coryn on November 13, 2013, 10:20:54 PM
Yeah, it's hard to say. Most of public speaking is about good delivery as well. A lot of people will rush through their speech, which will cut it down significantly.

I suggest just writing out a rough draft, then practicing it with a stop watch or other accurate time keeping device on hand. That way you can work out how quickly you speak, and you can determine if you need to add more material, or just pace yourself differently.
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Post by: Darksquirrel on November 14, 2013, 02:58:17 AM
Alright, thanks. I thought I'd have to find out for myself, but then decided to try and be lazy and see if someone else had to do something similar  :blush: Can't blame a guy for trying
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Post by: everlastin01 on November 14, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
I think it depends on how fast you talk
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Post by: IronQuill on November 15, 2013, 04:47:46 AM
Alright, thanks. I thought I'd have to find out for myself, but then decided to try and be lazy and see if someone else had to do something similar  :blush: Can't blame a guy for trying

yer Coryn is right though, if this is a speech, depending on how good you are at public speaking it can really affect your timing, nerves can make you speak a little faster and no cant blame you for trying lol
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Post by: Coryn on November 15, 2013, 12:16:31 PM
Ladies, Gentleman, I have seen Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo
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Post by: Jack Melancholy on November 15, 2013, 12:36:04 PM
I just showed my German teacher, who is also an English teacher, that article and she had me print it out. XD
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Post by: Darksquirrel on November 15, 2013, 03:33:52 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/0c/0c27315eed564c08fb52b3713d2ed52e42a61e0b328bc4ce2f71384d780325f2.jpg)

Yeah, I get that it's a grammatically correct sentence, but I couldn't stop myself.
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Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2013, 08:28:21 AM
Ladies, Gentleman, I have seen Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo

still can't process it. along with 'colorless green ideas sleep furiously'
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Post by: everlastin01 on November 16, 2013, 05:23:43 PM
I don't like buffalos anymore......they confuse me
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Post by: legomaestro on November 18, 2013, 03:59:33 PM
Hah, now I sure as heck know why one on one fights are the thing to do. I should've remembered my earilier experience with dystop... multiple characters with multiple techniques fighting eachother is a big problem. Unless people have seen somewhere in a book/manga that it was done properly?

writing a breach fan fic and things are not going well haha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on November 18, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
The key to keeping a multi-person battle straight is to simplify. If you can cut it down to two sides, then you have to imagine that it's just two people fighting, imagine that the fighters are just the extension of a single being.

If there are more than two sides, thing about the ideologies of each side, what kind of moves would they be making in this kind of battle, would they hold back and clean up the worn down opponents? or would they go straight for the jugular? Know how a character thinks and you know how they would behave in a fight like this.
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Post by: legomaestro on November 18, 2013, 04:31:16 PM
It's great how refreshing some of this advice is. Couldn't think of that for myself for a while there thanks
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Post by: Nairbons on November 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM
I'd also say that it's possible to focus exclusively on the fight between the current Point-of-View character and their adversary. From there, you could mention the other people involved, but it might detract from the focus that you have on the main character at that moment. One of the reasons I have to binge-read Bleach every year rather than on the week-by-week basis is Kubo's insistence on having every fight in a 20-on-20 brawl scripted to the same level focus as the main characters. Honestly it- wait, hold on-

(RANT MODE ENGAGED)

Honestly, it doesn't require a volume-long fight scene between the least interesting sub-captain's assistant shoe shiner and the villainous organization's 72nd-ranked telephone operater. It especially doesn't need the reader's focus when this is the fourth in a line of 8 nigh-identical fights that are ultimately all just distractions from the MAIN distraction, in which the line of semi-relevant characters show off their new set of super-sword powers against the appropriately matched gaggle of sub-antagonists. And the whole purpose of this fracas, that literally lasted more than a whole earth year you'll remember, is to save a cardboard-diorama replica of the protagonist's hometown. That's not just poor pacing, that's like stopping in the middle of the Formula 1 Grand Prix to announce that all the gasoline in the world is gone, but stay in your seats for a few months while we convert all the engines to a hydrogen-powered system and also add 40 new racers onto the track.

Ahem

(RANT MODE DISENGAGED)

So yeah. Lego, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to have your main character finish a fight with his adversary and then have him meet up with his comrades later. You could mention that a few of those aforementioned comrades are missing, or maybe some of them have interesting injuries, and your audience can use their imaginations to picture whatever amazing things happened to them.

Edit:
(RANT MODE RE-ENGAGED)
Seriously, if you wanted to compare Bleach to Dragon Ball Z, just imagine that the entire cast except Ichigo is either Krillin or Yamcha, and every villain that isn't Aizen or whoever-it-is-now is just another Cell Jr. or Saibaman. That's 90% of the series. Just a series of Yamchas and Krillens fighting a series of Cell Jr.s and Saibamen, with a bit more individuality (only design-wise) in the disposable villains.
(RANT MODE... PROBABLY JUST PAUSED FOR THE MOMENT IF WE'RE BEING HONEST)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 19, 2013, 12:14:27 PM
Aw come on I like almost all of the characters in bleach.

Well perhaps Kubo's pacing crimes are connected to how he makes huge panels with little dialogue. I really wish he could try out one piece's methods for just a few chapters where war is involved. Lot's of dialogue, lot's of activity. The War at Marineford is the best example of this, but most epic one piece battles do a good job of following cannon fodder to minor characters to the mains.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on November 19, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
Yeah, I've heard a fair amount about Kubo's health problems. I guess I can forgive the guy for making work a bit easier for himself. I also like his characters a fair amount, too. It's just a shame that he keeps forgetting the established folks for the sake of introducing new peeps into the cast. Bleach really is a decent manga, but it does have a few flaws that push my buttons when I really put the show under a microscope.

Can't say I've ever read the One Piece Manga. The first time I was exposed to that particular franchise was through the 4kids dub, and it left a pretty nasty taste in my mouth. Maybe someday.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on November 19, 2013, 11:29:43 PM
its not unheard of for manga artists to have health issues. but if it was to the extent of D.Gray-man's manga artist.

i can't stand one piece.......partly because everything thats ever revealed is like taken like a grain of salt. it "could" be relevant, or it could be just based under one. It doesn't take 4kids to ruin One piece it takes literally the first 3 arcs.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: addg22 on November 21, 2013, 11:35:15 PM
Lol. Still one of the best 3
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 07, 2013, 08:25:31 AM
wooot! totally got my little flash fiction sci-fi story published at 365tomorrows.com I got rejected here once and it crushed me T-T

http://365tomorrows.com/10/14/future-war-3/

Not exactly topping the best seller lists but baby-steps right?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on December 07, 2013, 08:43:02 AM
I find it too early to publish. I see a lot of issues already.

If you got rejected, don't find another place to accept. Find ways to get accepted here first.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 07, 2013, 08:48:37 AM
That's what I thought too. I'll keep writing until I get more likes for the story there now that I finally got one accepted.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on December 07, 2013, 08:55:48 AM
I suppose you forced your hand. Will you even be able to make revisions? The price of geeting accepted to early is when you finalize, your work looks worst than when you put in a place meant to be fixed.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 07, 2013, 10:14:09 AM
I won't be able to make revisions there no. At least in terms of resubmitting. I could revise it elsewhere on my writing.com account, but in this case for this website I can only submit new different stories and hope they're better than this one.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on December 07, 2013, 10:26:12 AM
You stacked it against yourself. You should probably work on the story here before posting the final draft there. But...you won't be able to do much.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 07, 2013, 11:25:20 AM
Most of them aren't exactly the anime manga genre anyways, so I write them out of the forum.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on December 09, 2013, 12:05:16 PM
Last week of School. Gotta hella stuff to write for my writing classes. I'm on straight clutch mode this week.

I Can't wait until my break tho. My partner in crime and I are going to be back on our manga grind. Gonna start reading more manga and try my hand in manga script writing. I'm gonna be using The Other Fro as practice. Then once that's finished then my partner and I can use what we learned from that and apply that knowledge to our more serious projects.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 09, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
Sweet. Always good to get projects up and running.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 07, 2014, 03:04:03 PM
An idea that popped up to me. Share your thoughts?



Endverse

Finally Armageddon came and passed. Souls were reaped, battles were fought and a final judgment took place where people were condemned saved or left in any one of the hells, purgatories and heavens that spanned across all existence.
     When all this business was sorted out time was meaningless for the longest of times. Thus, ‘Once upon a time’ is as accurate as it will get.

Once upon a time in heaven the angels and rescued souls were called into the presence of Z. The captain angel and one of the oldest ones in existence, as old as the devil himself. A highly esteemed spokesperson.
     The angel folk and the souls were a bit disturbed, but nothing more than that. It was very hard to worry about anything in heaven. They had long lost such for the lack of a better expression – ‘human’ – expressions. They came here knowing that something important was happening, but not how important.
     In hell the screaming was the same pitch as always. There was never a boring day down here. Pain it seemed could never get used to. Endlessly tortured in both body and soul there was a great immediate change in tone when the angel Michael arrived with a host to fly over the chasm. No one ran hell. There was no god here to watch the punishment. It was just a chasm that everyone had been thrown into, and any of their pleas were not to be heard.
     In the presence of the angels the souls were able to forget a fraction of their pain as they listened for what was obviously an announcement. Immediately, the single desperate thought came from most of them. One soul screamed out in desperation,
     “God has finally forgiven us! We’re free!”
     This myth had been perpetrated across time. That eventually, eventually God would have mercy and save the wretched souls.
     They waited for the confirmation of this tale. They waited with great pain in both body and soul.

And all the underworlds, purgatories and heavens in between, and indeed even some advanced alien civilizations that had stepped off the entire chessboard of things like soul and judgment on ‘good and evil’ All the smarter ones who figured out the awful truth suddenly had public announcements to make. It would be no surprise if this universal announcement was made by the leaders at the same time. Some phrased it differently though, in a way that baffled most of the listeners.
     “The world is ending.” Z finally said.
     There was a moment of silence as people looked at each other in confusion. One soul spoke up,
     “Excuse me, Z. What does that mean? The world already ended a long time ago.”
     Z wore a stony expression like he always did, “By the world I do not mean the earth, which has indeed perished long ago. I mean everything and anything. The universe.”
     “What?”
     The toneless expression of shock was repeated by more than one soul. Impossibly the thought rose to many of the audience’s mind, “Was Z making a joke?”
     That seemed an impossible thing to grasp as well.
     Z continued, “The universe is going to collapse in 2000 years. It has been going on for a long time now and God and all other spiritual entities in existence have attempted to hold things together for as long as possible, but finally it is too much. They will continue their efforts for the remaining time but the end result is inevitable. God found no reason to hide anything about the situation. This is all that I have come to say.”
     Z disappeared from their presence without a word.
     It is hard to describe the absolute all-encompassing terrific shell-shock that gripped the entire audience that was present at that moment. A free fall. The angels who had no human anatomy to speak of still felt like their gut was dropping. Some of the souls felt their hearts hammering with a vicious passion they hadn’t experienced in years.
     An angel fell to her knees and wailed. There was no sudden reaction to this. Everyone just heard her lament as it echoed across the golden city of heaven. No one responded to the wail for the longest time, and perhaps it could be heard even in places out of heaven.  7 days later it would be called The Lament of Agnes.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on January 17, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
Just read this bro. I'm definitely interested. Is this a potential project of yours? Also, does Z have a certain look to him? I kind of wanted a vivid description of him. That's just me tho.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 17, 2014, 10:45:02 PM
Thanks. It's a potential project but I'm not too sure apart from that. Z hmm... haha he's really just generic though in my head. One of those unexpectedly cool looking side characters TV Shows hire to play the role... Like Supernatural does sometimes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on January 19, 2014, 06:31:41 AM
wooot! totally got my little flash fiction sci-fi story published at 365tomorrows.com I got rejected here once and it crushed me T-T

http://365tomorrows.com/10/14/future-war-3/

Not exactly topping the best seller lists but baby-steps right?

thats awesome Leg, ill go and check it out in a minute
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 19, 2014, 06:06:32 PM
Haha thanks. Long time no see man!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on January 19, 2014, 06:57:21 PM
true that, you know what that story reminded me of an old film about a boy who got the high score on the old school space invader machines i forget what its called, good stuff though, its good to see you making moves  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 19, 2014, 07:08:09 PM
Wait i think i've heard of something like that before but ugh it escapes me too. Thanks, glad you like it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on January 19, 2014, 08:09:23 PM
I remember watching "The Last Starfighter," which was basically about a kid who beats an arcade shooter game and discovers that it was a recruitment device for a group of aliens that were getting their butts kicked by other, evil aliens.

It was the best kind of corny action movie.

No, scratch that. It wasn't corny. It was BEAUTIFUL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7NaxBxFWSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7NaxBxFWSo)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on January 19, 2014, 08:22:57 PM
I remember watching "The Last Starfighter," which was basically about a kid who beats an arcade shooter game and discovers that it was a recruitment device for a group of aliens that were getting their butts kicked by other, evil aliens.

It was the best kind of corny action movie.

No, scratch that. It wasn't corny. It was BEAUTIFUL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7NaxBxFWSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7NaxBxFWSo)

lol thats it, thats it,  the last starfighter hahaha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 19, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
This i must watch haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on January 28, 2014, 08:57:14 PM
You know that whole 'hungry orphans' thing where the street urchins steal from the local market to survive hunger? I was just wondering if that was a Hollywood cliche or it's really that simple. I mean, I sort of think that they could live pretty well if all street urchins could just snag and bag from markets all across the area. Let's assume the orphans don't have the potential to become sword wielding spirit warriors
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on January 28, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Well, like all cliches, these things start with fact. Kids on the street have been steeling food since time began. No reason to see why they wouldn't be nowadays too.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on January 28, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
They don't even have to be poor to do it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on January 31, 2014, 08:21:03 AM
You heard about the persucation of Christians in the samurai-era in Japan? That's my inspiration for Sakuri's story, Sakuri attempts to get along with the Christian students in St. Joseph and Mary who's ancestors were slaugthered by his'.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on January 31, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
I have heard of some cases like that. I also heard the opposite, where a Japanese Daiymo took on a ship-wrecked English navigator in the 1500's and took him on as a samurai. It's what the film 'Last of the Samurai' and 'Shogun' are based on.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: B9F8 on January 31, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
You heard about the persucation of Christians in the samurai-era in Japan? That's my inspiration for Sakuri's story, Sakuri attempts to get along with the Christian students in St. Joseph and Mary who's ancestors were slaugthered by his'.

You know, only about a dozen European Christians were martyred in that era. Of the 26 Martyrs, four of them were Spaniards, one Mexican and one Indian - the rest were Japanese. In the conflict that followed, the Shogunate slaughtered their own people by the hundreds of thousands in order to purge Christianity from Japan. The Europeans were allowed to leave.

However, during that time, religion was used as a way to soft invade empires, as evident by the Spanish empire taking over the Philippines after the church had successfully converted the population. Now why would they want to conquer Japan? See below:

Quote
Missionaries were not reluctant to take military action if they considered it an effective way to Christianize Japan. They often associated military action against Japan with the conquest of China. They thought that well-trained Japanese soldiers who had experienced long civil wars would help their countries conquer China. For example, Alessandro Valignano said to the Philippine Governor that it was impossible to conquer Japan because the Japanese were very brave and always received military training but that Japan would benefit them when they would conquer China. Francisco Cabral also reported to the King of Spain that priests were able to send to China two or three thousand Japanese Christian soldiers who were brave and were expected to serve the king with little pay.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 01, 2014, 04:14:24 AM
Its good to add contrasting cultures clash in a story. And i believe many of us can do it if we set the right mind to what its suppose to do.

often times, people would add into two different cultures that seem to coexist too well.

there were stories of making christianity cohabitating in eastern places, but they always add the right touch to make it feel foreign and not the other way around.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on February 01, 2014, 07:34:18 PM
I'll make many chapters focusing on each of many students that Sakuri tries to get along, including some that are outside the school in the cities during his sophomore year as the school allows students in sophomore and up to be outside of school if they have excellent grades.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 02, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
Been trying to get myself into the habit of reading light novels lately and I have to say Im definitely enjoying what I've been reading so far.  Still having trouble spotting the differences of style between light novels and american novels cause I know there are some.

Also does anybody know some websites where i can find more light novels? The only site I know at the moment is baka tsuki.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 02, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
the only difference is that they add in more artwork. its like semi-manga and novel.
i guess the idea is that you get a clear idea of what the characters look like.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on February 03, 2014, 09:40:21 PM
Been trying to get myself into the habit of reading light novels lately and I have to say Im definitely enjoying what I've been reading so far.  Still having trouble spotting the differences of style between light novels and american novels cause I know there are some.

Also does anybody know some websites where i can find more light novels? The only site I know at the moment is baka tsuki.


baka tsuki is probably the best i know of as well, the only other thing to do is learn japanese they dont have many translaters for light novels, and Lornex is right, its just the pictures.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 04, 2014, 05:06:42 AM
I like to think that they do have their own unique characteristics. Light novels are flexible with serialization, and can be serialized chapter by chapter in a magazine until a complete volume is made. They also have simple language that is easily adaptable for movies, and catered for young adults. One of my favourite novelists in that vein is Hideyuki Kikuchi, whose novels fall in the light novel category yes, because of the pictures, but also because of how he writes them and how they are released.

Light novels can range from as little as 12K words to 50K words, generally not passing the 50K mark (when they do they're divided up into a future volume.).

Frono, check some torrent sites like kickasstorrents there may be some light novels there. I found Kara no Kyoukai, Vampire Hunter D and Fate Zero there. I recommend reading them, especially the Vampire Hunter D series because those were at least translated by an official english publisher.

I'm not denying that images are a vital component of light novels though. There is no light novel without a picture of some sort.

If you want to get more into the world you should try visual novels (games) as well.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 08, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
I've seen it mentioned a lot from critically acclaimed writers and directors that they know how to do things also by remembering the bad movies and books they've watched. You think that's a valid technique?

Also, what movies did you find particularly bad due to the writing and story? What insight did you get from that? I've never actually noted anything down on why I found a movie bad, so I thought it'd be interesting. Maybe I'll get into that habit now.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 08, 2014, 12:36:45 PM
It's a perfectly valid, as well as effective, technique. You usually remember terrible things as well as the wonderful, sometimes more-so, knowing what NOT to do helps.

I'm pretty sure I've seen dozens of terrible things, read several terrible books, and experienced other atrocities which spit on the face of literature. Sadly, and gladly, I forgot them. Suppressed into the crevices in my mind sharing rooms with gory images and boring personal stories of past friends or family. If I ever remember them I'll be sure to come back and rant on the title for a length, listing all the things I hate about it and what they should have done instead.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 08, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
i been critiquing amateur manga for a while, and the more i do it, the more i visualize what makes some ideas good, some bad. i think the idea is to compare the good with the bad and how to make it good.

so if you see something thats bad all the time, you probably trying to see how you could make it good at the same time.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 08, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
Ah I see thanks.

Well, live actions from anime tend to always be a disaster. What's the main issue with those? And do you think Gantz was a good adaptation?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 08, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Because movies try to either recreate the anime or make maximum profit out of it at the expense of quality. What live-actions should be is a separate/side story keeping true to the original form's nature.

I avoid live actions because I expect nothing but terror from watching it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 08, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
I think one of the worst movies I've seen was the movie adaption for the dead or alive series. It was downright terrible. the writing was bad and the characters wern't even depicted right.

But I think watching that has taught me to always  balance out story and action. Cause quite honestly, I think that movie was focusing too much on flashy action scences. I understand that its meant to be an action movie, but they should've at least put more thought into the story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 08, 2014, 01:24:02 PM
I know about that argument, but it feels like The Raid: Redemption side-stepped that. It was an action movie but I really enjoyed it. I'm not sure if the story was good or that good choreography sells action well. I should probably read through the script and see what it was written like in the first place. They can't describe everything can they?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 08, 2014, 01:26:24 PM
Jackie Chan, Jet Li, other martial art movie stars. Cool fight scenes will sell anything. I would love story balanced with action but it's not something easy by any stretch because action movies are known for their lack of story. Turning off my brain and going, "ooooh, loud and bright." is nice something.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 01:04:20 AM
I beliee gantz did its own thing with the live adaptation. similar to Death note. their not perfect, but they dont deviate too much fromt he original manga, but just enough to say "its based on the manga, but we not trying to be better".

i do think gantz did an amazing job with the cast,
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on February 09, 2014, 01:23:17 AM
Did somebody say LIVE ACTION ANIME?

Because
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boawe1SzCaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boawe1SzCaQ)
Hollywood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIspxBjOvr8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIspxBjOvr8)
tried
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehpxIrCNiVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehpxIrCNiVI)
that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlo6MyhDXw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlo6MyhDXw)
once
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jn6ZVO_Tg0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jn6ZVO_Tg0)
...and it didn't go over so hot.

Seriously, though. What weirds me out about the GAME adaptations is that the genre with the most movies made is fighting games. 2 Mortal Kombats, 2 Street Fighters, Tekken, King of Fighters, Dead or Alive. They run the gamut from "Bad-bad" to "So bad it's good." I'd still love to see another decent adaptation of any non-superhero nerdy property, because they're haven't been many.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 01:58:56 AM
i would like to see a dragonball movie done right....i know its possible, but it tried too hard to be a "modern dragon ball" when dragon ball is already timeless.

anyways...live action adaptations should be handled by fans "to a degree".

Anyways....back to writer's discussion....

what genres are we to afraid too touch? for me, i can't do shojo...i just can't....not all shojo is bad, some is borderline josei..but most of the time, they look like this frilly girly style that i can't imagine girls liking. like they underestimate their demographic more than any other.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on February 09, 2014, 02:21:35 AM
cosigned on the dragon ball z, that must rank as one of  the worst adaptions ever, i would love it if Stephen Chow did a remake of it (the guy who directed and stared in kung fu hustle) i think he would make a decent street fighter film as well.

not sure about the genres, lot of subtleties to each genre that purist could call you out on both art and writing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 03:15:50 AM
Stephen Chow mainly does comedy, not that I don't find him one of the most hilarious guys on Earth, but I wouldn't want him to be doing my live-action Dragonball films. Though many Chinese actors go through martial arts training as a mandatory thing for theatre arts and whatnot it still wouldn't be the best idea to have China do DBZ, as much as the story is based on their lore.

I don't think any genre underestimates the demographic. Seems pretty accurate when considering the sales and success of the stories, I mean shounen is mostly mindless action with focus on blind emotion without much room for logical reasoning but I love the stuff and I consider myself a realistic man. It's all about the romance of the mind. I don't pay much attention to psychological manga though, stuff is always creepy and gory.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 03:35:49 AM
I dont think all shonen are like that. although they are very battle oriented, its not as if they aren't blind emotion and all that. keep in mind we have had some pretty groundbreaking shonen manga in the past. fullmetal alchemist and death note for example.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 03:40:50 AM
Exceptions to the rule like how some shoujo are interesting to you. Thing is not all young boys focus solely on becoming a super-powered guy with a cute harem and searching the world far and wide for friends but it sells because it plays to an inherent desire for strength and justice in them. Shoujo too, though sometimes is nothing but shallow romance or over-reaction to normal life drama still appeals to how many girls love that kind of thing.

I read both immaturely themed shounen and a couple romance shoujo manga and enjoy them both and I can honestly say if I met anyone in real life that was similar to the characters I wouldn't give them the time day.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 03:51:03 AM
i've given up on certain shojo. but i do enjoy josei because the characters aren't just black and white, and doesn't always underestimate.

but for shonen not all the characters are at face value. but shojo does what typical shonen does. it bringa happy-go-lucky, extrovert character and surround them by cooler characters. I honestly can't understand how Fruits Basket became so popular with such a dimwit main character. but not all shojo are like this, some do a pretty good job at over estimating the demographic.

but shojo, i just simply disappoints in what girls enjoy (but then again, so does vampire academy). in fact, Shonen romance actually does a lot better job than Shojo romance because (well for me) i get to see what they enjoy in a girl, and in turn i get to see what the other girl actually likes in contrast. i think what happens is that shojo is in tune with the same people who draw yaoi....its more "ideal" and "fantasy" than a concrete story.

not all shojo is like this, i know some of them do a good job, but....the demographic just makes me sad....


regardless, shojo is something i can't touch, what demographic do you all think of? (i'm getting sick and tired of everyone wanting to treat everything like a debate, sometimes i just want to voice my opinion on a topic i brought up but everyone else is still able to voice theres without me interefering)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 04:26:25 AM
It is a discussion topic.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 04:31:10 AM
o asked the question though. its just annoying how they "turn" it into something else. all i'm asking right now is which genre or demographic you are too afraid or polar opposite from to even attempt (aside from yaoi)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 04:53:47 AM
If it were put upon me as a job, none. I'm pretty open to all genres since they all have some merit.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 05:02:25 AM
its not a question of whether they all have merit, but whether its physically possible for you to attempt it.

basically, which ones would you "choose" to avoid attempting yourself.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 05:08:15 AM
That's just it, if they have merit then I'd like to give it a go writing them. There are things I'm much less familiar with but I'd still like to write a piece before I decide I don't like the whole.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 05:18:20 AM
well there are some i dont appreciate. although they all have their own merits. i'm not a universal person, and most people aren't. either way....this doesn't have to be something based on "wanting to try" but more the things you know you're familiar with unless you haven't really tried all that much to even make a decision.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 05:26:02 AM
You said whether or not we would want to "attempt it" and I'm saying I want to attempt doing any of them. I know what writing these would entail and the settings of them so it isn't as if I'd want to try writing some yaoi or yuri because I think it'd be funny or hot, it'd be because I was want to write a story of the dramatic consequence of the characters' sexual orientations in a certain setting. I'd also like to write any other genre for the same reason of writing a story to create an interesting piece with thought provoking subject matter or pure enjoyment.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 05:49:35 AM
not every genre focuses on thought provoking subject. think hard on it. because i think you're too optimistic about every genre.

i know theres something not everyone can do just by looking at it, or something they simply don't enjoy.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 05:51:58 AM
Of course they don't, that's why I said "or pure enjoyment." I'd write it to write it because I like to write. I don't see the problem with wanting to try them. It doesn't mean I'm going to, like how I want to try skydiving but my crippling fear of heights prevents that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 09, 2014, 05:55:35 AM
and this is what i'm asking...

but i know better than to believe you want to 'try them all". so there has to be some distaste that you have that "might" stop you from attempting it ever. the same way your phobia of heights most likely stopping you from even attempting it.

and no, theres nothing wrong to want to "try" them all, but keep in mind, i think you know the general idea of the question.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 09, 2014, 06:06:40 AM
I've already said it was psychological thriller I tend to avoid. What you don't read you usually don't write and I can say I haven't read a thriller since my guilty pleasure of Franken Fran and its singular ability as a manga to make me nauseous.

Not sure if you saw it before but it was said.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 09, 2014, 06:18:36 AM
Franken Fran really is something else.

There's lots of manga I would even dare try to write. I'm unable to detach myself from my story to make certain kinds of characters. I have no skill especially in depicting romance.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 10, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
I've already said it was psychological thriller I tend to avoid. What you don't read you usually don't write and I can say I haven't read a thriller since my guilty pleasure of Franken Fran and its singular ability as a manga to make me nauseous.

Not sure if you saw it before but it was said.

nope it wasn't said.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 10, 2014, 02:51:36 AM
I don't pay much attention to psychological manga though, stuff is always creepy and gory.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on February 10, 2014, 03:08:43 AM
I guess one of the things that makes Lorenx's question complicated is how you'd define the different manga categories in the first place. According to TVTropes, (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MangaDemographics) the different categories of manga you mentioned describe the age and gender demographics rather for manga rather than any particular type of genre.

If we were talking about genre, then I agree with Litt. There's enough merit to just about every genre I can think of that I'd love to dabble in every category that I can muster. Part of that would be to work within the genres that I like, but also to challenge myself to become interested and create something that's uniquely my own in a category that might not have had a perspective like mine otherwise. In that sense, my answer is "no." There's no category of manga that I'd want to avoid.

HOWEVER, if we're talking about categories of manga in regard to demographics, then that's another story altogether. In this case, my answer changes to "Yes." The Shoujo category includes girls from about the ages from 8 to 18, and trying to write a story that's specifically and intentionally designed for that group scares the poop out of me. Now, again, I'm not saying that I wouldn't avoid it alltogether. There's a great story opportunity here somewhere, but I'm just not as eager to jump into writing a Shoujo story. I'm afraid that what I ended up creating would be more of a Mel Brooks-like parody/homage to Shoujo than an honest-to-goodness Shoujo story. To make a more Western-centric comparison, it'd be like trying to write my own version of "Twilight" without making fun of "Twilight" or it's fanbase.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 10, 2014, 03:23:41 AM
I don't pay much attention to psychological manga though, stuff is always creepy and gory.
not a clear answer LIttRL. so next time, clarify and not say "i brought it up before"

I guess one of the things that makes Lorenx's question complicated is how you'd define the different manga categories in the first place. According to TVTropes, (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MangaDemographics) the different categories of manga you mentioned describe the age and gender demographics rather for manga rather than any particular type of genre.

If we were talking about genre, then I agree with Litt. There's enough merit to just about every genre I can think of that I'd love to dabble in every category that I can muster. Part of that would be to work within the genres that I like, but also to challenge myself to become interested and create something that's uniquely my own in a category that might not have had a perspective like mine otherwise. In that sense, my answer is "no." There's no category of manga that I'd want to avoid.

HOWEVER, if we're talking about categories of manga in regard to demographics, then that's another story altogether. In this case, my answer changes to "Yes." The Shoujo category includes girls from about the ages from 8 to 18, and trying to write a story that's specifically and intentionally designed for that group scares the poop out of me. Now, again, I'm not saying that I wouldn't avoid it alltogether. There's a great story opportunity here somewhere, but I'm just not as eager to jump into writing a Shoujo story. I'm afraid that what I ended up creating would be more of a Mel Brooks-like parody/homage to Shoujo than an honest-to-goodness Shoujo story. To make a more Western-centric comparison, it'd be like trying to write my own version of "Twilight" without making fun of "Twilight" or it's fanbase.

keep in mind of the fandom compared to Twilight itself, is more of a fandom story more than it is about telling a unique story. one might say "Wow vampires that glitter?" but behind the aspect tells more about the author than the reader.

The idea of glittering vampires means the author didn't want vampires to have a down side. the fact that there is little to no reason to have these characters love eachother shows that the idea or fascination is more about a boring annoying girl who is more interested in the supernatural rather than pure love and chemistry.

see....twilight is more of a "fanservice" story. and i associate Shojo and some shonen with that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on February 10, 2014, 03:42:47 AM
That's what I'm saying! I picked "Twilight" as the easiest example of a book that's pretty obviously targeted at the tween and teenage girls.

I just don't have much interest in trying to make something for that market. Plus, as a guy who's no longer a teenager, I feel like it would be SUPER creepy to aim for an audience of young girls. There's too many weird implications there that can be avoided by just writing something that I'd want to read. That way, if my work ever ends up getting fans (HAHA, oh wow that's never gonna happen), there's a decent chance I can relate to them more easily and work without feeling like I'm writing for someone in particular.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 10, 2014, 11:42:24 AM
Random question: You think a shounen manga novel would be worth the read? Do you think it could translate that well? Let's say something like one piece
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 10, 2014, 11:47:26 AM
There are pretty much shounen books already, they're children's novels with super powers. Rick Riordan's works of Percy Jackson reads like it was shounen to me. I am speaking form the perspective of someone who avoided the graphic novel and movie versions though.

If you wanted to translate a Japanese shounen manga into an English though I don't think it'd work out. If you had a skilled enough writer it would no doubt be a good read but it wouldn't have the same impact.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 10, 2014, 11:55:06 AM
Random question: You think a shounen manga novel would be worth the read? Do you think it could translate that well? Let's say something like one piece


One piece wont translate well....the personalities are so drastic, and following the character without any visuals will probably annoy them more than enjoy. keep in mind, certain light novels that are adapted into manga have either a completely different feel or pretty faithful, and those who stay faithful usually have that novel feel.

I do think that slice of life or mystery manga tend to make it well for anime/manga.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 10, 2014, 12:12:54 PM
Yeah that I did notice. I haven't read enough, but I do know the writers for Baccano and Bakemonogatari enjoy success and are pretty well praised.

@Litt was Percy Jackson good?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 10, 2014, 12:19:12 PM
I like it. It has to do with Greek Mythology though so I have a bias there, then again Rick Riordan is a skilled writer and the story holds up pretty well with accurate reference and cool powers that come with the mythology. I'd recommend it since it already has the sequel Heroes of Olympus and it exists in the same universe as his other series The Kane Chronicles which has to do with the same kind of issues but with Egyptian Gods.

These are stories that pull in younger readers (mostly boys I think or at least it feels like it should) which also contain very similar themes as shounen manga. The biggest difference is that the novels are Americanized in culture so it doesn't read like a manga, plus it has more mature themes simply because of the writer, so there isn't exactly shounen but as a big fan of shounen series I still think this would be one of the closest things you could get to it in novel form.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 10, 2014, 12:23:28 PM
I'm all for that actually. I do like YAF because it translates easier to imagery than bulkier novels. Eoin Colfer is my favourite british writer for that, and I tried out the Hunger Games (currently on haitus.)

I'll go first for Greek Mythology methinks. It's just that the movie really scared me off. It seemed to make the story mediocre.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 10, 2014, 12:26:16 PM
I was really into the series when the movie came out but I refused to watch it because I know from my manga and anime experience that live-action movies will either be acceptable or mind-shatteringly bad.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 10, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Pfft.

Hey, let's say you wrote a good series like Percy Jackson and people offered to make it a live action. Would you accept it on the spot regardless of how it'd turn out or you'd be careful they don't ruin the story. Let's assume you know you have a better story lying around somewhere in your head, would you accept the potential negative criticism for the sake of publicity?

Ideally I'd say hell no i'd rather not have my work ruined like that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 10, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
Depends on what I'm eating at the time: soggy cup noodles or handmade pizza by my personal italian live-in chef.

If I wasn't desperate for cash I'd honestly do the adaptation myself, write the script, direct, etc. If they didn't let me I wouldn't do the movie at all. I've seen too many tragedies in film that were not tragedies by genre so I'd do my best to prevent future happenings.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on February 11, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
I remember going to a fantasy-themed art show in KC where I got to see Mike Mignola do a live Q&A (The guy who made, writes, and draws "Hellboy"). He mentioned that when the Hellboy series got optioned for a movie, he knew that the movie version of a comic book would not only overshadow his work as a writer/artist, but also change the way people perceived his work. He said something along the lines of:

"The best-case scenario for the Hellboy movie was that the movie would be great, and a few more people might become interested and buy the comic. The worst-case scenario was that the movie would be terrible, and it ruins both my characters and my credibility in an industry that doesn't tend to forgive mistakes."


ALTERNATIVELY, go read "Fortune and Glory." It's a comic by the great Brian Michael Bendis about the 3 years he spent interacting with the movie industry while they tried (and failed) to adapt two of his graphic novels. It also gives a GREAT look into the inner workings of the film studio production cycle (hint: it's a miracle that anyone makes good movies in Hollywood).

You can see a preview bit here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5039 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5039)

and here (note that the first two preview pages are a single, 2-page spread that have been broken up into seperate images): http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5039 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5039)

No, Bendis is not a gifted artist, and he sure doesn't draw any more, but the man is a gifted writer. We could all learn things from him.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 11, 2014, 01:31:10 AM
To be honest, it depends on what kind of story you wrote and what kind of hit did it have. if its already a success i'll give it a few years before actually make a movie out of it, so that they think over the changes. if i could get involve in my own live adaptation to any of my ideas, i would at least be able to put my input on the actor choices and the actinf (for those who i dont have control of) but thats "at least". some of the writing changes would have to be approved by me and of course soundtrack.

On another note, if i "manage" to get a hit, and i just started, i might be more willing to allow a live action adaptation regardless of the outcome because my career just started.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 11, 2014, 12:28:32 PM
Pretty much agree with Litt and Loren. As long as I get to oversee what's going on it's cool with me.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 13, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
Seriously considering free-styling a project in the future. No plot or nothing planned. Just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Let the story write itself. You know, all that good stuff.

Anybody ever tried this?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 13, 2014, 11:53:50 AM
I once drew something....and someone intentionally knocked my hand....it led me to get seriously inspired to draw a similar style.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on February 13, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
Seriously considering free-styling a project in the future. No plot or nothing planned. Just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Let the story write itself. You know, all that good stuff.

Anybody ever tried this?

i am doing something like that but that was after i found out the the mainplot
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 13, 2014, 11:58:21 AM
its a good idea to get inspired by true randomness...but so long as you get an idea of what you're going for and what skills you can do to refine it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on February 13, 2014, 12:03:26 PM
A good point. I think I'll use it to test out a new style of writing or skill. Like writing in first person instead of third person. Stuff like that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 13, 2014, 12:53:51 PM
That's basically how I write all the time. Nothing like a bit of nonsensical writing to write a story with.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 13, 2014, 01:17:33 PM
I was under the assumption nobody really planned past: hey, that's cool, let's go with that. Like every time I try to plan out a story I just get bored of writing notes and begin the chapter.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 13, 2014, 01:23:31 PM
again....its a good idea if you have the mind to get inspired by it..."a vampire who falls in love with a zombie? brilliant!"

but its not like you'll improve in writing skills, just in creativity.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2014, 03:52:03 PM
Do you know any interesting examples of stories where death is removed and it's still interesting? In the past I used to think that i'd never watch a story if the main character doesn't risk death (and it's why I rarely read first person narratives even to this day), but i've seen some good examples over time here and there.

Just thought of this from reading All You Need Is Kill. I just thought it'd be fun if i could write a story like that and still make it entertaining somehow. Like make the whole cast immortal or something (ala-baccano haha).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on February 18, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
Do you know any interesting examples of stories where death is removed and it's still interesting? In the past I used to think that i'd never watch a story if the main character doesn't risk death (and it's why I rarely read first person narratives even to this day), but i've seen some good examples over time here and there.

Just thought of this from reading All You Need Is Kill. I just thought it'd be fun if i could write a story like that and still make it entertaining somehow. Like make the whole cast immortal or something (ala-baccano haha).




Post Merge: February 18, 2014, 04:11:31 PM
I plan to include something like that in Earthbound. Where the characters have to eat buggs and stuuf to have them get nutrients. Cause the plants are sucking there's.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2014, 04:12:29 PM
But if they fail to eat they would die right?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on February 18, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
no the decomposition process will just kick in. Its like our world but twisted. But the only way to assure their death is to cut  them up into pieces and scatter it all over the place.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2014, 04:23:05 PM
Ah, reminds me of Wake Up Deadman a little so then a headshot won't kill them I guess. Who is the zombie the girl or the guy
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on February 18, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
the guy but later on the girl has to go through some mummification to survive down there. Cause humans cant breathe down there.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 18, 2014, 05:03:26 PM
Well first thing that comes to my mind is gag mangas, school life, slice of life, and other kinds of stories that don't have death as a theme even though it exists in the world.

Baccano still had death in the story, they just had a way around it with immortality. They could be absorbed and others without immortality died so is that what you're looking for? Ken Akamatsu started UQ Holder which has the main cast as immortals if so.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2014, 08:57:21 PM
UQ Holder. nice, i must try that out before i go to bed.

 i'm looking for stories that have action in them or at least beg for it, but death is not the true threat the the main character to make you care for them.

Post Merge: February 18, 2014, 09:45:01 PM
OTL you are urobichi. Three pages in and i'm depressed!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 18, 2014, 09:59:40 PM
Yeah, UQ Holder makes you get a case of the feels if you had any semblance of attachment to Negima.

As for stories without death aren't most shounen stories like that? The main character may kill, he may be in danger but you know he's safe. Isn't the reason close friends/family are used as hostages because the actual target is too difficult to harm directly?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2014, 11:41:24 PM
Ah, yeah you have a point there I guess. But I think that's more us as readers used to the genre rather than death being directly removed somehow.

On Negima though, which is the better to follow the anime or the manga?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on February 19, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
Negima is better as a manga. The anime has two options: the strange one that went it own way and did whatever for gags or the one that followed the manga closely. Even the one that followed closely kind of jumps arcs from season to OVA. The manga finishes the story up though it was rushed near the end.

As for some more appropriate story recommendations I'll have to think on it. Other than gag nothing comes to mind.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on February 23, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
well i think that death has been removed in a sense by giving them a third plane, like DBZ, no one really dies they just go to another existence.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 23, 2014, 05:47:26 PM
Hm that's true in a way I guess.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GreenTea on February 25, 2014, 02:56:44 AM
About aliens would be interesting.

I have watched a movie about a monster (it's too long ago I do not know what type), it's weakness is water. And the funny part is they kept on fighting the said monster and when someone spilled water on it, it began melting (like if you were to put acid). And they were like, "Payback time!"

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on February 25, 2014, 02:59:48 AM
Sounds like the movie "signs".
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2014, 04:50:20 AM
I vaguely remember some movie like that haha.

Man, I wonder what great B-class movie titles i haven't watched, could be interesting to see the fun ones. Or some cult classics. They probably have their scripts on a website somewhere at the very least
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 02, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
Hey, you know that thing where another novel fictionalizes another? Like a book has a character reading harry potter? Even if sometimes it's a fantasy story as well? What do you think of that? Is that a polite nod in the direction of a good work or is it meant to mean 'my story is realer than yours' ?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 02, 2014, 10:57:37 AM
I'm pretty sure that if you're arguing that your book is more real than another, you shouldn't be writing books in the first place.

gonna go with polite nod.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 02, 2014, 04:59:53 PM
It's rarely ever used to taunt another series I'm sure. When you make reference in your own work to another then you took the time to mention it being a good thing in my mind. I mean, have you seen the little discussions between novelists where they just insult each other's works and styles? They don't need to be subtle to claim superiority.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 02, 2014, 05:39:46 PM
depends on how iconic it is. but it also depends on the genre. a slice of life series would be incline to add any real work of fiction.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 02, 2014, 06:02:04 PM
Haha oh yeah. Even anime do that sometimes. Not a reliable example but Gintama references absolutely everything

It's rarely ever used to taunt another series I'm sure. When you make reference in your own work to another then you took the time to mention it being a good thing in my mind. I mean, have you seen the little discussions between novelists where they just insult each other's works and styles? They don't need to be subtle to claim superiority.
Never seen those though i'd love to
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 05, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Came across, this image, and thought "Yes, everybody must know."

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27a5f6008473fec74b94d5ea3d79643b/tumblr_mwima2WY7p1rnvzfwo1_500.jpg)


Remember people. Blocks of text are the enemy.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 05, 2014, 06:35:14 PM
YUS. So simple and oh so very very important
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on March 05, 2014, 07:31:30 PM
It's amazing how some people don't even paragraph their essays in my college  :unsure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 08, 2014, 02:46:22 AM
i was recently in another forum, and i discovered, people really like to be jerks about typos. Is this something that other people tend to be? i understand sometimes its hard to read if the sentence is filled with typos, but is this really an argument ppl need to stoop to?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on March 08, 2014, 05:08:45 AM
I think highlighting typos is part of the correction process and i think you should look pass the jerky typos and see what else they have to say, and if they dont have anything good to say other than typos that is one way to suggest your piece is entertaining and dont have much mistakes :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 08, 2014, 05:11:43 AM
I think highlighting typos is part of the correction process and i think you should look pass the jerky typos and see what else they have to say, and if they dont have anything good to say other than typos that is one way to suggest your piece is entertaining and dont have much mistakes :thumbsup:

i can understand if their critiquing my work (different forum unrelated to manga and anime) but still...it gets dumb. does anyone else get treated over typos?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on March 08, 2014, 05:38:22 AM
Nope, though I wish they'd point it out. I look through my work sometimes and see that I've missed out words or made grammar errors  :unsure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 08, 2014, 10:53:12 AM
I happens I suppose. I am appreciative when people point out my typos so I can get them fixed, and sure sometimes people will be an ass about it.

But at the end of the day, I know that I'm better than that. Typos may happen, but it doesn't mean I'm a bad writer.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: IronQuill on March 10, 2014, 10:02:47 PM
something in the same vain as the typos thing, i was just researching scanlator groups and one of the positions is
"proofreader" they have a test to download but they give you a quick test as well

Proofreaders must check and correct the translated English script from any grammar, spelling and flow errors. They also need to match the bubbles with the text to make sure that the translator did not forget to translate any bubble.

The proofreader test you can download below:
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Spoiler
In this spoiler you will find a one line test for yourself!
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I went to beach yesterday. I meet a boy there.
(If in the above line the only change you see is a spelling mistake, then please do not apply for our group.)

made me chuckle
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Rojas on March 10, 2014, 11:04:52 PM
Gosh, sometimes I see those often in certain scanlator groups where there are simple mistakes like that all the time in their work.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 11, 2014, 06:13:55 PM
I've honestly wondered who was proofreading some of this stuff. Not that I'm not grateful for their efforts but when I'm reading an interesting series but having to make mental corrections as I go for it all to make sense bothers me.

As for people pointing out typos ruthlessly, I just ignore it not that it comes up very often. Most people understand a typo from trends of grammatical or spelling error and they avoid giving you a hard time because they make similar mistakes. If you make errors between there, their, or they're or things of that strain for grammar people are more stringent in their judging. Partly because grammar nazis are a thing and partly because people should really know the difference if they're trying to communicate on the internet otherwise they come off as uneducated and therefore invalid.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 11, 2014, 07:09:09 PM
Eh, I've seen it done wrong before, so I can get how annoying it is. I mean if someone is a douche about it then it's obvious, otherwise it's pretty useful to help catch those errant ones you fail to fix even when you take a look at your work.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 11, 2014, 11:25:43 PM
Had the urge to bring something up I suffer(?) from all the time. Just finished reading Watchmen which I no doubt liked but had a few issues with, though that's not the purpose of this post. The thing is whenever I read and interesting story or really go through a good series in general, especially on riddled with moral values, I get ideas flowing like mad. Things that seem strongly themed with a clear message but as soon as I'm done with the title they just kind of vanish. Poof.

I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem or if they jot down every idea that pops into their heads. It's real depressing getting ideas that you lose to the shortcomings of human memory, even if you weren't going to bring the story into creation it's still nice to have them there, dead seeds of imagination that act as a fertilizer for future stories.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2014, 12:13:03 AM
I have that happen to me with poems. I usually put up a song and then begin reading out a poem to the tune, and it's almost perfect, but even with my notepad opened in front of me my head just glitches and i forget everything. Sorry man, I'm in the same boat. I'll seriously need to find a way to get that issue sorted out though, but i'm afraid one just has to train themselves to retain the ideas as much as possible, or fake it better. Maybe skilled writers are just better at coming closer to their original great sparks of ideas.

 You do hear them sometimes complain that 'it's not quite what i wanted' or 'the story lived on its own'. Like 1. they don't have true control over their works and 2. they feel that they could do better

if that makes sense. I'm sleep deprived now
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 12, 2014, 08:50:09 AM
I suppose so. Or at least I don't get the sensation that I lose too much of whatever I come up with. But I like to think that I keep it all somewhere, even if I can't quite remember. Like it's still there, slowly building up into a proper idea.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Echo_River on March 12, 2014, 11:27:25 AM
Losing an idea usually happens with music melodies for me. With story ideas I try to chain them down one by one. When they come fast, I try slowing down the outpour.  Sometimes when one escapes me, I try backtracking, with the 'what made me think of it in the first place' line of thought. Frustrating though, when ideas do fly and away and dissipate.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 12, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
Why can't there be some device that just records your thoughts and makes notes of your story ideas? Technology is required to make up for my human shortcomings.

Does anyone jot down their story ideas though? I only ever make note of some in an Idea document when I have a general idea to the story with some sort of plot. Otherwise I let it go until it may come up again with more material instead of building on it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 12, 2014, 12:07:02 PM
I write them down so i can plan ahead, but i don't really write the best ones down because i feel like it.

I only write it down if i have alot of specifics i want to remember. but i generally plan broad and make sure it works naturally.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Echo_River on March 12, 2014, 01:31:10 PM
Yep, I've a notebook for significant ideas. I make a project title for it so I can quickly refer back to it. Then later after it's developed further, write down the general idea or plot. Then on other paper expand further.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2014, 04:42:39 PM
Notepad named Muse is the best i've got going right now. Names, random numbers and plot ideas. Also got a stream of concsiousness notepad named SOT
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 12, 2014, 04:45:55 PM
I've tried to use notebooks or memo pads for my ideas before but it always ends up making me feel stupid for some reason. Like writing down the words "boy finds magic sword in alleyway and becomes hero" sort of stuff doesn't sit right with my common sense. Though I think some of my better ideas have been on paper since it helps me plan things out better, I grew up on paper after all.
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Post by: Lumaria on March 12, 2014, 04:53:08 PM
if you're alone, it shouldn't matter. as long as you're writing it down.
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Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
I think of all the secret things a human does alone writing ideas for stories in a notepad is the least worrisome. Until said futuristic mind gadgets appear, you're gonna wanna curb the whole memory thing problem in advance before the noggin starts its whole aging thing you know.

It's not like my notepad is glossed and special or anything. It's an uber normal notepad on my computer i don't even neatly separate anything. And I don't know where it is on my computer i just have a shortcut on my desktop haha. Think i last updated it a week ago.  Doo eeet.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 12, 2014, 05:25:25 PM
I left my old notebook of ideas back home. It was mostly filled with chapters of Prey or little summaries of ideas. I was always just nervous about someone finding it was all, I tend to lose things and I put my name on it and everything. Maybe I'll get around to buying a new notebook for ideas. I already have a file for quick plots.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2014, 05:33:20 PM
Yeah i don't really trust myself with physical copies anymore as well, but they're a pretty good bet. I've found stuff from when i was 15 or younger...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 12, 2014, 06:37:22 PM
Usually if I forget an idea I remember the trigger or inspiration and when I look at it again, I remember and I'm able to. See the flaws in them. Writing them down is hard because they sound boring to me when I look back.
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Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2014, 06:54:10 PM
That's what happens to me haha. For example if the song inspired it i try to rewind to the spot i got the idea but then... it sounds less amazing when i put it down
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 20, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
Watching Nobunagun and yet again, some poor bastards from the military come in with their jets and tanks and fire against a strange alien mecha being. And of course the missles only make pretty fire works against its shell.

What do you think of these scenes? A necessary evil to show how powerful the creatures are before the inevitable transformation into a magical mecha girl soldier? Or could it be done better?

It made me think, what if there was a mecha anime where the mecha is deployed at the absolute last minute, and the tactics of the military force are actually quite helpful and necessary to the outcome of the battle?

I know evangelion evens the playing field by the scientists designing weapons for the mechs, and the nukes help slow down the Angels. There's also the fact that their armored shielding manages to slow down the Angels...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 20, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
yeah basically. you've got to set the scale of power. Show that conventional weapons don't work, so you understand just how powerful the mcguffin is.
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Post by: legomaestro on March 23, 2014, 03:28:58 PM
Read All You Need Is Kill novel. That was a nice thing to check out. Light novels for the win! I'll still read the manga as well though
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Post by: LittRL on March 23, 2014, 03:38:03 PM
I've only read one light novel in my life and that was the adaptation of Full Metal Alchemist's imposter arc. Thing is I want to read several series I've discovered already adapted to anime/manga but I hate reading lengthy text via computer.
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Post by: legomaestro on March 23, 2014, 03:46:59 PM
There's an FMA light novel huh. I better check that one out.

Reading on pc is always a struggle. I was waiting on an impossible download though so I had time. Went through it in a single sitting.

In the end though nothing beats good ol paper
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Post by: LittRL on March 23, 2014, 04:09:44 PM
Except for scissors.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 23, 2014, 04:41:38 PM
Except for scissors. And lizards too? Or is it Spock?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on March 23, 2014, 04:53:50 PM
(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/how-to-play-20110520-080642.jpg)

I just love how paper disproves Spock.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: codenametukaioo7 on March 27, 2014, 06:53:58 AM
Well, Can I ask for a little help here.

I have two question that a writer can answer.

1.How to not get bored when you write.I mean when I write on a paper or type on computer, I get bored soon and think I will continue later. So how to not get bored?

2.How to make a One-shot?Well whatever story I write, I end up making them big,big and big so how to make a one-shot?I have two story in mind and this time I choose stories which are hard to expand.One of them was suppose to be One-shot however I just can't compress it.I at least need 10 chapter for the One-short story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 27, 2014, 07:25:16 AM
1. What anime do you like? Get any 3 iconic osts from there. it might give you a spark. Write elsewhere... if you have a laptop head into a coffee shop to write.

2. Read other one shots and track the amount of pages for character introduction, story action and climax.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 27, 2014, 07:47:32 AM
Here's an idea to put things inperspective:

Does manga stay entertaining? If you enjoy most chapters in manga analyze what keeps it entertaining but also learn how you can do the same. Your story can't just be an idea, it has to be a good series of chapters, every chapter counts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: codenametukaioo7 on March 27, 2014, 07:48:32 AM
1. What anime do you like? Get any 3 iconic osts from there. it might give you a spark. Write elsewhere... if you have a laptop head into a coffee shop to write.

2. Read other one shots and track the amount of pages for character introduction, story action and climax.

Could you suggest me some other one-shot manga.
Thanks.

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Here's an idea to put things inperspective:

Does manga stay entertaining? If you enjoy most chapters in manga analyze what keeps it entertaining but also learn how you can do the same. Your story can't just be an idea, it has to be a good series of chapters, every chapter counts.

No that's the problem.If I keep the story longer it's get boring and if I cut of the boring parts the manga gets messed up because those are one of the important parts yet boring.(I am talking about my manga story Immortal which I didn't post here.)Some of the character have some type of back story which made it boring, some of the arc is just like each other.Only the characters and some back story are interesting not the adventure.So I throw the whole story and made some new story packing up the interesting parts of Immortal.
The two story I maintained is parts of Immortal and the one I want to convert in One-shot is the original arc which I think of without any help,inspiration or reference.But then also I made that long and boring so I cut as much as I can and then thought the I have never written any One-shot.I tried to make it a One-shot but it still 250 pages.Like this I will never be able to make a One-shot. :sadbye:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on March 27, 2014, 07:53:24 AM
As for the one shot: it varies. Usually having one shots is to introduce us to a story but having us wanting more. Sometimes one shots are just gaidens off another existing story.

Introduce the basics of a plot and whatever deeper plot is out there, don't add it in. That doesn't mean one shots can't have plot twists though but make sure you tie up lose ends or seem like its going to be tied up soon enough.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on March 27, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
Well, Can I ask for a little help here.

I have two question that a writer can answer.

1.How to not get bored when you write.I mean when I write on a paper or type on computer, I get bored soon and think I will continue later. So how to not get bored?

2.How to make a One-shot?Well whatever story I write, I end up making them big,big and big so how to make a one-shot?I have two story in mind and this time I choose stories which are hard to expand.One of them was suppose to be One-shot however I just can't compress it.I at least need 10 chapter for the One-short story.

1. Think of what you'd like to achieve in different scenes and don't stop until you achieve them.

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA4ugPpJ5xM&list=UULzeEDg7RntDRdORfjI9ibA
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: codenametukaioo7 on March 27, 2014, 10:26:30 AM
Well, Can I ask for a little help here.

I have two question that a writer can answer.

1.How to not get bored when you write.I mean when I write on a paper or type on computer, I get bored soon and think I will continue later. So how to not get bored?

2.How to make a One-shot?Well whatever story I write, I end up making them big,big and big so how to make a one-shot?I have two story in mind and this time I choose stories which are hard to expand.One of them was suppose to be One-shot however I just can't compress it.I at least need 10 chapter for the One-short story.

1. Think of what you'd like to achieve in different scenes and don't stop until you achieve them.

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA4ugPpJ5xM&list=UULzeEDg7RntDRdORfjI9ibA

Good advice (talking about 1). Will try to a do that.
Thanks for the link, still haven't watched it but will.

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As for the one shot: it varies. Usually having one shots is to introduce us to a story but having us wanting more. Sometimes one shots are just gaidens off another existing story.

Introduce the basics of a plot and whatever deeper plot is out there, don't add it in. That doesn't mean one shots can't have plot twists though but make sure you tie up lose ends or seem like its going to be tied up soon enough.

So a one-shot does not need to be stand alone or end it then and there.Then I can do it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 12, 2014, 04:49:23 PM
Just wrote about a Time Travelling shark (named Fang) that goes around devouring potential tyrants/dictators/any sort of evil overlord. One must do anything if they want to get 1000 words a day haha...

Surprisingly, that spawned an organization that becomes aware of the shark. And a hunter named Moby basically says 'not everything is set in stone, that shark is just evil'. And goes hunting after it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on April 15, 2014, 12:49:05 PM
Starting to question whether or not if going to school for creative writing is a good idea or not...

Initially, I declared creative writing as my major because I wasn't sure if I wanted to do game design or not. After putting more thought into it, I realized that going with what I know best was the best option for me. So I stuck with it.

But now as I'm taking all these classes, I'm beginning to wonder if this is best option for me.

You see the things is, I have no intention of becoming a novelist or anything like that. I just wanted to get better at writing. And while I am learning all sorts of valuable things in my studies, it still feels like that in end, the payout won't be worth it.

I already checked out the potential career paths that comes with a creative writing degree, and I was completely uninterested in everything I saw.

I wanna be a writer. I know that for sure. It's what I wanna write about and how's that gonna secure me financially is what I'm worried about.

So yeah, just wanted to share that with you all. I'm still a freshman in college so I guess I shouldn't stress too much about it. Any input or advice would definitely be appreciated.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 15, 2014, 12:55:31 PM
It's understandable. Creative writing is one of those slim majors.

Personally I went into engineering, I still write of course and want to be a novelist on the side, but I also want to be financially secure. The plan is to have both.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on April 15, 2014, 01:03:55 PM
I see. That's the thing though. It's the backup plan that I haven't gotten down yet.

I was seriously considering competitive video gaming as a backup, but even that's a gamble. Oh well, I'll figure it out eventually.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 15, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
Good ruck with that man, and be sure to give some deep thought about it when you can! no pressure or anything but it is important
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on April 15, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
Writing doesn't have to be your first option. In fact, I'd say that you'd be better off making a stable career for yourself and getting a bit more life experience before you even think about writing professionally. Unlike film, there is no set age for writers to be, and heck, it's far more common to see folks start writing at 40 than it is for a fresh-out-of-college youngster.

I'd say: get yourself a skill that you can work with and use to ply a trade before you think about writing as a career. You've gotta live in the world before you write about it. Even if you want a career related to writing or creativity (journalism, communications, advertising), you can take that road.


WHATEVER YOU DO, THOUGH: DON'T TRY TO BECOME AN ENGLISH TEACHER. The West is flooded with a generation of hipsters that are convinced they're going to become Robin William's character from "Dead Poet Society." That market is well past it's saturation point, and it's not worth risking for a teacher's salary.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 15, 2014, 07:22:36 PM
i 100% agree with this. get a stable carreer before risking everything.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on April 16, 2014, 09:34:18 AM
WHATEVER YOU DO, THOUGH: DON'T TRY TO BECOME AN ENGLISH TEACHER. The West is flooded with a generation of hipsters that are convinced they're going to become Robin William's character from "Dead Poet Society." That market is well past it's saturation point, and it's not worth risking for a teacher's salary.

Oh trust me good sir, I'm never ever gonna even try to consider that option. I'm not gonna work for a system I don't believe in.

But I do thank you guys for your advice. I think I'm just gonna give game designing a shot. Probably gonna take up programming or something along those lines. Whatever that doesn't involve drawing anything, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Ink on Fingers on April 17, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
WHATEVER YOU DO, THOUGH: DON'T TRY TO BECOME AN ENGLISH TEACHER. The West is flooded with a generation of hipsters that are convinced they're going to become Robin William's character from "Dead Poet Society." That market is well past it's saturation point, and it's not worth risking for a teacher's salary.

Oh trust me good sir, I'm never ever gonna even try to consider that option. I'm not gonna work for a system I don't believe in.

But I do thank you guys for your advice. I think I'm just gonna give game designing a shot. Probably gonna take up programming or something along those lines. Whatever that doesn't involve drawing anything, I'm all for it.
Hell yeah, take up programming!  :D ;D :thumbsup: It's entertaining and creative, plus there's a lot of job opportunities (I think).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 17, 2014, 09:42:13 AM
Eeeeh. English Teacher gig is that bad?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on April 17, 2014, 11:27:37 AM
Actually about the game programmer thing, you don't have to go to college to do it. The internet/youtube is full of tutorials that can help you and you won't have to spend boo-koo money for them just to point you in the directions of the tutorials.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 17, 2014, 02:43:12 PM
yes but if he plans to go pro with it, a college degree never hurts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Artyom on April 19, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
Has anyone heard  Joseph Campbell's theory called  the Hero's Journey?
He explains that most protagonists from various of stories follow a distinct pattern and structure. It's a similarity that is more than a simple beginning, middle, and an end. I always look to this theory every time I suffer from a writer's block.
There's a YouTube video titled 'What makes a hero?' that explain the theory in depth, created by TED-ed. I think it's worth a watch for writers of any median including manga. 
(Edit: I don't have 25 posts so I can't post the link sorry.)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on April 19, 2014, 01:28:49 AM
plenty familiar with the concept. after all it's one of the more famous combinations of the 7 plots.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 01:38:18 AM
I have definitely heard of that theory, but i have not read too much into it. I feared if i did, things would become too formulaic that i start to depress myself in how predictable i become.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on April 19, 2014, 02:47:15 AM
I'm going to kinda-sorta agree with Lorenx, here. I also tend to agree with Neil Gaiman (The following is taken from the Wikipedia page on 'Hero With a Thousand Faces'):

Author Neil Gaiman, whose work is frequently seen as exemplifying the monomyth structure, says that he started The Hero with a Thousand Faces but refused to finish it: "I think I got about half way through The Hero with a Thousand Faces and found myself thinking if this is true—I don't want to know. I really would rather not know this stuff. I’d rather do it because it's true and because I accidentally wind up creating something that falls into this pattern than be told what the pattern is."



See, I OWN 'Hero With a Thousand Faces." It's good stuff, though the actual writing is all over the place. There isn't anything specific that says "This is a story, and nothing else works." He mostly makes points in the broadest  sense because the theory itself is pretty vague. He's not telling you how to build a house, he's mostly pointing out that houses tend to have a roof and some form of wall.

Now, the actual graphic that he used to describe his "Hero's Journey" is a fantastic tool for getting the feeling of storytelling down. It's good to keep in mind when you get an idea for a comic, that you're not just imagining powers and cool weapons for your characters. All that stuff is just window-dressing for the story that you OUGHT to be telling.

If you want to venture further down the rabbit hole of literature and the collective unconscious though, take a gander into the works of Carl G. Jung. See, Joe Campbell looked at Jung's theories about psychology and applied them to a narrative. If Campbell teaches you the amazing basics of STORY, Jung will do the same for CHARACTERS.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Artyom on April 19, 2014, 03:07:17 AM
True. I didn't follow the theory every step of the way but it was a great template to help me direct character development and the order of the scenes for the story. The Hero's Journey diagram should be used to help inspiration and tear the block down and give way to creativity and brain storming. I didn't get to read the whole book but there are many sources as you said.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 03:43:49 AM
what i noticed in japanese seinen and in josei that they tend to have more odd and very distinct romance in them. well seinen has more distinct ones, but josei usually goes for the extreme. a bit of an age gap, which i dont mind. but there are some romances that really make things weird for me.

Particularly in Honey and Clover, because i was introduced to it as a "romance" story....i felt really odd about Hagu (the midgit girl, who has issues with people)....she was so unrealistic, and those who fell in love with her also seemed unrealistic. Although i laughed in most cases, Hagu being in the story just felt really extreme for me.

i who enjoy josei couldn't really understand this one, at least in the romance department, couldn't understand what kind of character she was and she usually took a back seat in the story (at least in volume 1 of the manga). I gave up on the first volume though, so i really didn't give it a big chance, but....at the same time i didn't feel connected with it at all.


Does anyone else feel this way (at least when it comes to honey and clover)?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on April 19, 2014, 07:15:03 AM
Hagu did feel a bit misplaced in Honey and Clover, she was funny and cute but I didn't really like her and couldn't understand why the other characters liked her. Maybe it is more distinct later on in the story so I guess I should read more.
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Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 07:20:06 AM
i asked around if that was ever going to be answered, and i dont know...i'm hearing rumors that Hagu is meant to be read as if she really is some 8 year old girl falling in love with older men....and i personally don't like that idea.

Its the oddest Josei i ever read and i will dare say that this one particularly stretches the term "josei".
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 19, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
"I think I got about half way through The Hero with a Thousand Faces and found myself thinking if this is true—I don't want to know. I really would rather not know this stuff. I’d rather do it because it's true and because I accidentally wind up creating something that falls into this pattern than be told what the pattern is."

This. That is all
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on April 19, 2014, 10:03:10 AM
i asked around if that was ever going to be answered, and i dont know...i'm hearing rumors that Hagu is meant to be read as if she really is some 8 year old girl falling in love with older men....and i personally don't like that idea.

Its the oddest Josei i ever read and i will dare say that this one particularly stretches the term "josei".


It sure is odd but it's one of the only josei to get an anime, I guess it's 'oddness' is what made people like it. I dunno. I was more into the warmth the story had rather than the main romance.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 10:09:20 AM
thats one of the common complaints i had about it. it felt too shojo than josei. i think it was just mislabeled. Nothing really showed signs of it being "josei" where they are usually darker more mature themes revolving relationship.

shojo does a good job with the "warmth" department. but even at volume 1, it was trying to be something other than "warmth" way too fast. idk......i have a very hard time accepting honey and clover as something thats "josei". it looks like a sick shojo fantasy. but anyways........

ever had a hard time accepting something was related to that specific demographic?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on April 19, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
I don't think I've read enough josei to deduce whether something belongs or not, but I think Honey and Clover being different from most Josei is what made it more popular mayber? Think about it, if something is different from it's demographic it can pull in readers that are not really into the chosen demographic because the story is different. For example, I really don't like Shojo manga that stay too close to their general characteristics, but I love reading the Shojo manga that are dynamic and unique to their demographic. So basically I think Honey and Clover wasn't really liked by fans of Josei but rather fans of other demographics because it was unique to Josei.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 10:36:55 AM
the problem is that i wanted to read a josei because i enjoy it. and this one was nothing close to josei. perhaps the only josei thing about it was how obscene it was...but then again....Cardcaptor Sakura had some strong ideas like that too, such as yaoi, lesbian cousin, a young girl in love with a guy twice her age.....it was still shojo where it mattered and it captured most of the other things that weren't shojo...but.....Honey and clover isn't a josei manga that captures other demographics. its more of something else entirely with a josei stamp on it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KagePen on April 19, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
I guess it being something different and 'new' is what got it so many fans, though it's a matter of taste in terms of 'why?'.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
i'm not so sure what you're asking me. but i dont think the problem was that it was too different from the original, its that its not the original at all, no connection to it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 19, 2014, 03:59:20 PM
I lost the latest adventure time episode i was on, so i was reading the wikipedia episode listing to find it... and then found this
Spoiler
Lemonhope grows unhappy with Princess Bubblegum's constant reminders of his responsibility to help the lemon people. He sets out on his own adventure to be his own person, but soon gets stranded in a desert, nearly succumbing to death.

Lemonhope is saved by and teams up with monster hunter Phlannel Boxingday (voiced by Creed Bratton), but finds that he is unable to hide from his past. He resolves to defeat Lemongrab once and for all, and, using his lyre, plays a song so pleasing that Lemongrab explodes. Princess Bubblegum is able to reconstituted Lemongrab into one being by merging the two brothers' left over parts.

How does this guy think of his stories? They're just so wacky.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
i have  no iea...but just by watching the recent chapters, i can already tell that they intentionally leave things open so that they can return to them again which is a shame. i prefer to be left open and never closed.

For example: Princess bubble gum giving up her rock t shirt and Maja the witch is cooking up something "big". we're going to see a continuation of that eventually.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 19, 2014, 04:10:24 PM
You're on the latest episodes? I'm still around season 5 I think. Need to catch up
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Post by: Lumaria on April 19, 2014, 04:12:16 PM
You're on the latest episodes? I'm still around season 5 I think. Need to catch up

i'm in the more recent ones. my family likes that show and they record it on their DVR.

still, even by season 5 or 6 you get the idea of where the story is heading or what type of episode will have a continuation.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 19, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
Yeaup I've caught up to a lot of what's happening, but i still haven't gotten to some of the jucier parts as hinted at by so many memes

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 29, 2014, 05:31:44 PM
My dark noir story suddenly turned into a battle manga. Aaargh. Ever get that feeling that you want to lynch your work? How bad can a first draft be before it goes too far?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on April 29, 2014, 05:37:16 PM
My rule is if I start questioning big things like existence or human morality in the first draft I'm probably not doing it right. This is because it happens even if I'm writing a comedic story or shounen styled one.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 29, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
seems legit to have a basic rule like that
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on April 29, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Hold on a second, Lego! A noir battle manga? That could be totally amazing! I got to thinking about "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" and it's medium-blending noir story. A private investigator hired to protect a cartoon rabbit in 1930's Hollywood?  Man, whoever would have thought THAT combination would have turned out as well as it did? Or, think about the amazing comic series "Powers," which revolves around homicide investigation in a city full of superheroes (A good example can be found here: http://thebendisageofcomics.tumblr.com/post/76391415000/powers-that-be-wizard-edge-2004-art-by (http://thebendisageofcomics.tumblr.com/post/76391415000/powers-that-be-wizard-edge-2004-art-by)).

What I'm saying is, you could totally have a noir story that just so happens to involve a cross-genre mixup with some kind of shonen battle manga. Imagine the intrigue of a Dragon Ball-esque Martial Arts tournament where one of the contestants is murdered before anything even begins, and it's up to the typical noir-style detective to solve the case. Like, all the suspects are prone to going into ridiculous combatives (complete with mid-fight powerups) and the only thing that the P.I. has is his wits, a revolver, and the ability to avoid lengthy dialogue in the middle of a fight. He (or she) is pragmatic, quick, and not interested in drawing out a brawl.

And of course, there'd have to be a dame involved. It's noire. There's always a dame.



...Dangit, Lego. If you don't want to use any of this, then I'm gonna go ahead and call secondary "dibs." It's the fun kind of stupid that I'd love to try my hand at.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 30, 2014, 05:12:11 AM
Haha it's all yours nair...


... ninja.


Well I've decided to write with the door closed. I wont show this one, but I'll do the same with another work and I'll want help on how to process a draft properly into the second stage. Tis a week of getting stuff written down.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 05, 2014, 12:12:28 PM
This past friday an editor that my professor is close friends with and has worked with numerous times visited our class to give comments on our fantasy short stories. We were required to read the first five paragraphs of our stories and after that he would give his thoughts and tell us if he would keep reading or not.

I was hella nervous dawg. I was over there thinking he might slam my *Censored* and tell me he wouldn't continue reading it.

But it was the opposite. He actually said that he would continue reading and even said that my details at the beginning were good, but I just needed to add a little more.

That really made me feel good about myself. Even though it was minor, an editor saying he continue reading my story after the first few pages lets me know I'm doing something right. I do still think that when we have to submit our stories to actual markets mine won't get accepted, but it's all good. I really don't intend to have my story published. I'm doing it because it's the class requirement and I'm just trying to pass. Having it published is just bonus points to me.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on May 05, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Still man, editors are a picky bunch. they're highly judgmental, and often have super high standards.


course sometimes they're just idiots. like the dozen or so publishers who turned down harry potter
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on May 05, 2014, 12:29:49 PM
How long were your paragraphs sentence wise Frono?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 05, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
uhh I would say five/ six sentences ish? I had some dialogue in there so I wasn't sure I could count those, so I just read like two and half pages.

And to your point Coryn, it just depends. This guy in particular was blunt but was very sincere and nice with his comments. He spoke on on editors having biases when reading stories and stuff like that could affect good stories from being published.

Besides, from my knowledge, editors don't even get that paid that much to do what they do and what they do is a lot of work. So, I guess them having a high standards is understandable since all they want is to read a good story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 05, 2014, 04:25:33 PM
That's cool frono! It'd be awesome if that happened to me, but I never want to show off my work
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 13, 2014, 10:04:24 AM
Really? How come Lego? You gotta show off your work one day.

With my freshman year of college coming to an end, I think it's time to reflect on the writing classes I took...

I'm starting to think we all kinda suck at this writing thing...

And I say that because writing is becoming more subjective to me. Don't get me wrong tho. I think we all have a good idea of what we're doing. It's just that in my opinion, since art is subjective and writing is pretty much art, you can't really say someone's writing is better than someone else's because it all comes down to opinion. Just because a guy like Stephen King may be considered one of the greatest writers of our time, doesn't necessarily mean he's better than every other writer out there.

Just what is good writing? What is bad writing? You can't really give an answer without it being an opinion.

I'll just stop here cause I feel like I'm rambling and not making much sense either. Feel free to disagree with me. I can take it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 13, 2014, 10:54:24 AM
Bahaha art is indeed subjective in the end. The controls come about from things like grammar and language, and of course the readers themselves for who the writers write for. There can be a writer who imagines the greatest story the world ever knew and can only write it in a sophisticated language that requires differential analysis to read the book, needless to say only a few would read it, and besides, is it the greatest story ever? Tv troupes is pretty dissilusioning on the fact that there is nothing new under the sun, but I don't find it depressing. I usually read stories and enjoy them depending on how easily I'm able to imagine things and identify with a character. Whether it's written in script form and they're typos or not, I can legitimately enjoy a story so long as that doesn't get in the way of my reading. I of course greatly admire those famous authors.

I'm also rambling here. Anyways, removed from subjective stuff, I also go by Stephen Kings' by line in terms of writing talent. If you can cash a check from your writing and pay the electrical bill, then you have talent, simple as that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on May 15, 2014, 04:16:43 PM
hey may i ask my manga peeps, What are usual character types in manga, I am stumped with proper use of characters to tell a story of my 3/4 done earthbound oneshot

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on May 15, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
Depends on the genre honestly. Here's a few of the top of my head though:

-you've got the knuckle headed, never say die hero that pops up in Shonen mostly.
-The Tsundere girl, who acts cold towrds him, is easily embarrassed, usually lashing out in these situations, but cares deeply for the main character.
-The shy moe girl. Innocent, sweet,clumsy and beautiful, all the boys love her but she doesn't notice.
-The Bishonen ladies man. Tall, handsome and oozing charisma he gets all the girls, he usually has a best friend who is the opposite, which is also sometimes the main character.
-The Pervy guy. Be it a camera wielding teen, or a dirty old man, for some reason Manga is full of creepy guys trying to grab a look up a girls skirt.
-Magic girl. Depends on the story, but a big manga stereotype is the girl that falls from the sky or appears from nowhere and falls in love with the unpopular boy she meets.
 
Hope that helps
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 15, 2014, 04:51:05 PM
Go watch Needless for fun troupes.

Anyways I'm thinking badass with a trenchcoat and spiky hair. Is a pervert.

Or a helpless girl who has all the information but is constantly teased for it. Also plenty of ecchi from her.

Buff monstrous badguy who has a strong generic power and is taken out quickly

A rival who is going to the dark side
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on May 15, 2014, 06:03:46 PM
as usual, take a look at the tropes page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Characters


there are boatloads man. pick a character type, you'll find 'em in manga somewhere.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 15, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
Ah, the depressing black hole that is wikitroupes
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on May 15, 2014, 07:02:08 PM
thanks will totally use it. But I have finished writing the story so i need to polish it up. Thanks again
 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 15, 2014, 07:46:52 PM
Earthbound is that zombie one right?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 24, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
A lot of people getting into the self publishing world lately, and they're building quite impressive online personas. I wish I could get into that but I don't know where to start. I really want to get my writing out there... Especiall, I wish light novels were in some way possible to make. Original english ones at least...

*Random rambling
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on May 24, 2014, 09:04:46 PM
Earthbound is that zombie one right?


Sorry for the late reply but yeah and I am am thinking of calling earthbound numb instead


And about that independant thing, I had got a proposal from an artist to do an indie manga with him and I considering it to make a name for myself but right now I'm still sharpening but the best place to start will be posting your wwork on manga sites that bring alot of traffic and just mingle. Its just like the same thing you are doing here
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: codenametukaioo7 on May 31, 2014, 06:04:01 AM
I have a few question.

How many pages does a One-shot consist of?
How many pages does a serialized chapter of manga consist of?
First we make a one-shot and publish it in the magazine and if it done good in the rating then it get serialized, right? So does we have to repeat the things happened in the one-shot again in serialized chapter or should we mark the one-shot as chapter one and serialized from chapter 2?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on May 31, 2014, 12:02:59 PM
Well unfortunately, there are not concrete answers to your questions. but there are some general guidelines that we can take from history.


1. A one-shot can be any number of pages, as long as it is self contained. hence the 'one-shot' title. It has to be able to stand all on its own. Most one-shots run around 50 pages. but again, it can go either way. If they'res a specific contest you have in mind, they'll probably have their own requirements for size.

2. It depends on how often it's being published. In general the longer the time between magazine issues the longer the chapter. Weekly publications will be around 20 pages. a monthly publication will have chapters around 50-75 pages. And in my experience that's close to what you'll see in bi-monthly publications as well.

3. Well that's generally the idea. Since the one-shot will have to be selfcontained, and since it will usually be written much earlier than a story gets serialized, you'll more than likely see a few changes out of necessity/changes in the authors perception of the work. but yes in general you'll be restating the origin story if you will. since you can't count on everyone who's reading the serialized bit to have read the one-shot. that's just unfair to your readers. some might not have even heard of the one-shot by the time the serialization hits.

It's also important to understand that just because a one-shot is published it doesn't mean that that story will continue on at all. the author may just use it as a springboard to bigger and better things. this tends to happen when the one-shot isn't conducive to a long running story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on May 31, 2014, 04:07:49 PM
                 As Coryn said, weekly Chapters average around 20 pages, while monthly's can be 40,50 or even 60 pages. Although there is no generic length for a one shot, it needs to introduce, progress and tie up a story in one chapter, therefore they are usually on the 50 plus region.

                 Now One shot's aren't normally what is used to introduce a series, that's usually a "pilot" chapter that is sent to publishers. But a one shot can be adapted into a serial Manga, but you would need to start the story from the beginning again, since many may not of seen this one shot. Besides it would benefit you to rewrite the story as a series, as it allows you to go at a steadier pace and flesh out any ideas and characters.

Hope that helps you fella
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on May 31, 2014, 04:23:51 PM
i've never seen a monthly manga release upto 50 (unless its the first chapter, which is usually a one shot, but not always). the vast majority i find are 30-40.

bi-monthly...maybe...but that may be due to it being closer to quarterly.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on May 31, 2014, 04:40:34 PM
I think Apocalypse no Toride seemed to fluctuate between 40 to 50 pages. Plus I could of sworn Dengeki Daisy had some longer chapters around the high forties-early fifties in the case of page count, no idea on the release schedules of either though, I think they're monthly? who knows  :noidea:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on May 31, 2014, 04:55:52 PM
i've seen shojo longer than shonen/seinen and sometimes even josei. i'm not familiar at all with Toride. i do know it goes far beyond to even 60s. which i find to be exception. but who knows. the majority of the popular monthly manga tend to aim closer to the 40s
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on May 31, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
Back when rosario+vampire was monthly they'd hit around the 50 page mark at times. which is where I took my info from. princess ressurection would do the same thing at times.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: codenametukaioo7 on June 01, 2014, 04:09:47 AM
Thanks a lot Coryn, Vacant, Lorenx1. It gives me a rough idea of how long should my one-shot and each chapter should be.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 01, 2014, 04:20:18 AM
yeah, i'm pretty sure it depends on the magazine its running. Uzumaki, Pandora Hearts, and even D.Gray-man were series that really stood in the 40s and 30s. Although Rosario + Vampire is a bit older, but then again, so is Uzumaki and D.Gray-man. its inconsistent, but i'm willing to say monthly range from 30-50 depending on the magazine.

Still....one shots are generally longer than a weekly chapter. And they are self contained, but some are made with the possibility of continuation.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 01, 2014, 04:53:11 PM
I've missed writing, but whenever I try to get back to it, I loathe doing it. It used to be at least mildly rewarding, but now I hate everything I write. I've tried several different planning methods including planning it all beforehand. I push the idea around, but I don't like it. I've tried using old ideas and messing with those and it feels the same way. It seems like whatever goals I had are gone or were too big. I tried to write a short slice of life story, though and encountered the same thing. Should I push through it or change my approach?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Roshiro Byakko on June 01, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
I think you should try and push through.
I decided in doing Galactic Raiders because I was tired of writing Chioni a chapter a day because it was tedious.
Sometimes you just need to rest from your own work. I take my dumb ideas and put them in the story because they might become cool as the story continues.

Lorenx probably has better tips for you though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on June 01, 2014, 05:07:14 PM
I might try doing an MR story. It would be a good format for experimentation just to find my stride.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2014, 05:11:44 PM
Bahaha. ALL THE MR CANON! This feels like christmas fufufu...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on June 01, 2014, 05:19:24 PM
It depends on how you feel I guess. If it's more of a mental block, then I reckon the MR canon story would be a good idea to try. But if it's more that you really don't feel like writing at all, then I'd suggest taking a break from it for a few weeks. No point forcing yourself to do something that's meant to be fun after all. Plus stories written with Passion and motivation behind them are always better!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on June 03, 2014, 04:04:33 PM
I just need to not get distracted by the vastness of the internet and write my stories >.>
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 06, 2014, 07:24:51 AM
okay can horror and shonen exist together because for my manga I want to add some freaky things.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 06, 2014, 08:29:21 AM
apparently 3x3 eyes was a horror manga that was also shonen.

it often gets criticized for having an inconsistent blend and a humor that can't be deciphered.


another horror shonen manga is Doubt.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 06, 2014, 08:37:25 AM
Thanx lorenx will get myself use to this by getting through the recommended  manga.  I also find it a difficult blend but I shall manage somehow :biggrin:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 06, 2014, 01:55:53 PM
I think SnK is the embodiment of horror shounen... It's supposed to be pretty dark but people hype around it in the excited manner of a shounen. Totally unlike something like let's say Gantz.

Deadman Wonderland is also horror shounen.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 06, 2014, 03:14:12 PM
I didn't know AOT was a shounen, I assumed it was seinen ::) but I am actually familiar with it ;) but thx and Will try deadman wonder land thanx lego :biggrin:
But really shounen is really flexible with horrors I am stunned by this much Darkness that can be emitted from the genre
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 06, 2014, 06:26:56 PM
One I read a while ago, Psyren, not sure if many people have heard of it but I'd give it a 9/10.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 06, 2014, 06:33:11 PM
Oh dude, Psyren. So few know about it. I really loved that shounen.

Hunter X Hunter also tells you how dark a shounen can get if you wish...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 06, 2014, 06:39:55 PM
I'm watching the 2011 Remake, sooo good.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 06, 2014, 06:51:55 PM
I tried psyren, I clicked the surprise me link on the manga site so I got but never continued reading will try to continue

i keep seeing HxH advertising but It just reminds me of rip offs
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 06, 2014, 06:55:56 PM
I'm watching the 2011 Remake, sooo good.

Exactly. A hallmark in shounen animation.

@ Nabe you must give it another chance. It's one of the more oldschool one so forgive it if it seems similar to other shows. But if it's not your cup of tea sure.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 06, 2014, 07:00:38 PM
Adult Gon in 2011 made my jaw drop.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 06, 2014, 07:05:15 PM
Beware spoilers, but that arc was cool
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 06, 2014, 07:09:53 PM
huh I put juice in my tea lego, the fruity kind  :ninja:. But Should I startt from the 90's one or hmmmm
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 06, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
The heck? Why?

My friend was so desperate to continue watching that he also watched the 90s version one. If you have the time sure, otherwise just watch the 2011 one.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 06, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
okay shall try it lego.

Also for fan service, if you are creating will ou have fan service and why. If es how high the level
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on June 06, 2014, 08:02:30 PM
It's completely up to you dude and what kind of story you want to write.

Personally, I would say it depends on what it is. Say for example, it's an accidental boob grab or a panty shot, but it's used for comedic purposes and not played up too much, you can get away with it. After all, physical comedy is a mainstay in manga and that is one aspect of it.

However, I'd try to steer away from the kind that serves no purpose to the story or add's anything to the characters and the situation they're in. That kind is simply there to increase visibility of the show when people search for it and entice males in to watch it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 06, 2014, 11:33:05 PM
On the topic of HxH there isn't much breast service if thats what you mean by fan service here.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on June 07, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
When talking fan service do you mean body wise or Black Butler wise?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 07, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
When talking fan service do you mean body wise or Black Butler wise?

This...this man knows things.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vio on June 07, 2014, 12:32:25 AM
By man, you mean woman?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 07, 2014, 12:43:13 AM
Woops *facepalms*
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on June 07, 2014, 12:46:59 PM
Woops *facepalms*

I have been mistaken as a male too many times for me to count lol it doesn't bother me anymore  :tongue:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 02:10:47 AM
okay kanji. I am going to utilize something similar to it in the form of tattoos. Will this be frown upon or is there any red lights  i should be aware of  :notunderstand:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 08, 2014, 02:12:46 AM
other than the fact that you should do some serious research into what you actually want so you don't get something like 'i'm a dumbass' inked into your skin instead of what you actually wanted, no I can't think of anything.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 02:19:02 AM
no not on my skin.in my manga 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on June 08, 2014, 02:19:51 AM
AHAHAHAHAHA hah Coryn slipped on this one
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: infinite87 on June 08, 2014, 02:22:03 AM
Coryn I'm ashamed!

(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h330/badboysarebest/my_mischa/_armCross.gif)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 02:31:41 AM
i think i can say something similar to what coryn was saying only, you better make sure the meaning of specific kanji is appropriate, and make sure you dont shoot yourself in the foot.

its not a bad idea, but its not the most original to use tattoos as a story element
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 02:43:05 AM
I am actually using the concept that each extra stroke you give to kanji changes its meaning for the tattoos. Thanx Coryn and Lorenx
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 02:54:13 AM
I am actually using the concept that each extra stroke you give to kanji changes its meaning for the tattoos. Thanx Coryn and Lorenx

Do you know what makes up kanji?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 03:02:37 AM
Nope but please do tell
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 03:37:53 AM
Kanji are made up of radicals, and some kanji are radicals. its harder to explain just by words and if i could post, but basically they are the building blocks to kanji, at least they start to become the building blocks as they get more complicated.

http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/
^^here is a table. it helps when looking for the specific one you looking for. you just click the radicals, and you see all the possibilities at the bottom.

I highly suggest you avoid making stories that actually involve heavy research. Because that could actually make you look ignorant. the stroke thing "may" work on the more basic ones (although incredibly limited), but not on the more complex ones that use more radicals.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 03:45:05 AM
Thank you for information. That wall of radicals is really intimidating and it is true if wrongly used I may seem ignorant
but what if I utilise some of the concepts to form a language of my own
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 03:49:50 AM
Thank you for information. That wall of radicals is really intimidating and it is true if wrongly used I may seem ignorant
but what if I utilise some of the concepts to form a language of my own


who you trying to appeal this new language to? the problem is that if you do make that idea, no one will understand whats going on, and everything you do will look like a cop out. you can change your mind or find a way to help the main protagonist just by adding a new rule
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 03:55:36 AM
I assure you that the new language will be a big ? but this is also what the main protagonist will be finding out as the story progresses. I am certain it will be understandable but Iam a bit uncertain in how this direction might be taken
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 04:04:03 AM
in the end you're going to be teaching a language you made up to a reader. unless their already die-hard fans (in the internet, you never know whos a sucker), then it just doesn't have that much of an appeal.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 04:07:59 AM
I am not planning my manga to be a dora the explora show but whenever the language pops up it will be read in english/ in any language the manga translates to. The language is just a piece to the story
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 04:10:23 AM
you keep thinking i dont understand, but i do.

it still sounds like you're going to be teaching them something that they will have to remember. and quite frankly, if its not as appealing, it will "feel" like dora the explorer without the connection to it.

i knwo its a part of your story, but its a pretty big part.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 04:21:18 AM
The most that will be remembered is a few words meaning someone's teritory, the name of the language, where it originated and its branched purpose and thats all I assure you. Plus the story shall be appealing 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 04:23:51 AM
whether its appealing will depend on the reader, not on you. your goal should always be to give what the reader wants on the basis that if its a good idea.

Regardless you still dont understand the issue previously said. changing made up language can be done in a form of a cop out. you can invent new ways to mess with the story, and some of them can be done last minute.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 04:36:29 AM
Lorenx this won't be a problem
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 04:53:32 AM
you can't promise that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nabe Man on June 08, 2014, 05:16:10 AM
I know I can't but the story shall progress and I know you wouldn't mind helping me correct my mistakes
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on June 08, 2014, 05:23:28 AM
i already did. and you're not fully accepting it. and i learned not to help people who tend to let it go to waste.

the issues of it seem much more fundamental.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 25, 2014, 09:47:17 PM
Which self distrubution system would you use for your completed light novels/ stories? Dropbox? Google docs? A torrent link on kickasstorrents? Have you ever tried self promoting yourself to at least 5 random people before? I want to try and see how it works out haha.

Would need a short story of course and a simple cover, but I want to see how far that goes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on June 25, 2014, 09:53:09 PM
Hmmm, I guess if you had the time/knowledge you could build your own site and host it on there and promote it on forums, twitter, facebook and youtube?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 25, 2014, 09:56:15 PM
Guess so. I'd say blogs but those are nightmares to maintain man haha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on June 25, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Yeah, I've never had a blog and not very clued up on the whole site building deal. Is there any kind of publication you could send it to, like a monthly magazine that puts out groups of chapters at all? Maybe that'd be something to look at
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on June 25, 2014, 10:05:16 PM
I've  had a quick look, there's a Light Novel database here you could link you're story to here. May be worth putting it up.

http://lndb.info/ (http://lndb.info/)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 25, 2014, 10:07:14 PM
There are a number of websites like that yeah. The only directly anime related one would be textnovel.com. Otherwise there is stuff like writing.com and one I just need to google to remember. They are popularity based and seem to have a bunch of members who visit them. Might as well try that one. Is it sparkly?

*goes to check*

EDIT: Now that's interesting. Bakatsuki does have two original english light novels posted up, so the people there could be interested in this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 25, 2014, 10:13:47 PM
Whoa, this site is pretty  sweet man.

Completely forgotten that other website though haha. Must be tired.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on June 25, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
That's good dude, I've never heard of Bakatsuki, I'll check that out. Why don't you look into E-books? Maybe you could publish one of them? (No idea how but that's what google is for!)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 25, 2014, 10:35:33 PM
I think i'll have to ask someone directly about how that works haha.

Oh, original light novel that still seems to be extant : https://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6202

And then there's Tokyo Demons. It even has audio clips. Man I'm jealous haha.

In any case, really looking into publication for digital writing. I wish there were doujin conventions left and right like they seem to have outside the country .It'd be so informative to go to one of those and mingle...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vio on July 19, 2014, 03:21:37 PM
I've been thinking about writers who are a bit anxious with sharing their ideas and stories openly. This tends to happen once in a while, and the most noticeable cases are in the "Manga Artists Wanted" section. In all fairness, it's a bit understandable. Plagiarism happens, even in the manga world. It can even come at an angle that's baffling:

The Nick Simmons Plagiarism Scandal
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/incarnate-the-nick-simmons-plagiarism-scandal (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/incarnate-the-nick-simmons-plagiarism-scandal)

So I've been think how writers, who don't want to share their ideas and stories openly, can present their skill and talent. One of my ideas is that MR could provide pre-written stories. We just want to give writers the basic material and let their creativity, skill, and talent mold it into their own work. Once that's done, the writers can then present the completed story to show their ability, and anyone who is interested can assess it.

Thoughts? :hmm: 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 19, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
Nick Simmons was something else.

Well I remember a member being taken away from the forums because of such concerns (Matsuuuu nuuuuuu . *wipes a tear from his eyes) So it seems to be a serious issue for them, and mostly their mind is made up when it comes to not wanting to share their material.

But if they are really interested in showcasing their skills that could be interesting. There's also the Free Story Plots board which they could be pointed to.

Any writer though, should have some amount of short stories they've written before. And definitely a project that is a work in progress. Sharing an example of their work should not be that hard.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on July 19, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
Matsu, huh? Pour one out for a lost soldier. No, wait. Carpet. Mentally pouring one out. Too bad too, I really liked reading Matsu's manga.


On a less nostalgic and saddening train of thought:
Anyone ever think of making a writer's guild sort of thing? Like a writer's group to throw ideas off each other or do some co-writing? There're tonnes of artist groups, some of which are combinations of writers and artists, but I haven't seen many dedicated writing groups in the vein of manga or light novels.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2014, 06:20:08 PM
Oh I'd so love to be in on that. There are some writer groups actually, more like groups of friends who deal with the same stuff, like Sparkler and stuff, those light novel magazine sites I linked to earlier. But an actual group? That'd be nice.

Hehe, there is the Team MissRiverJoy after all. Let's make our own and name them rivals! Mwahahaha!

Seriously though let's do that man. Get some light novels written and stuff.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MissChurro on July 20, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
Hehe, there is the Team MissRiverJoy after all. Let's make our own and name them rivals! Mwahahaha!

(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y498/MissChurro/BringItOn_zpsa1f8e549.gif) (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/MissChurro/media/BringItOn_zpsa1f8e549.gif.html)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on July 20, 2014, 06:47:23 PM
Dear Lego

(http://i.minus.com/ibsVIzSeQVtw22.gif)

Whatchya gonna doooo son??
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2014, 06:57:20 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8262016000/h8B746777/)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Echo_River on July 20, 2014, 07:57:44 PM
Hehe, there is the Team MissRiverJoy after all. Let's make our own and name them rivals! Mwahahaha!

(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y498/MissChurro/BringItOn_zpsa1f8e549.gif) (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/MissChurro/media/BringItOn_zpsa1f8e549.gif.html)

*Facepalm
You guys...

We won't lose to you Lego-senpai!


@Vio Pre-written stories? Like, already made plots? Yeah, the Free Plots could be used.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2014, 08:04:35 PM
Oh? Did I suddenly gain kouhai? Suddenly I feel dependable!

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on July 20, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
A challenge will be a nice change of pace here  :sleep: Who knows? Maybe something good will come out of it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2014, 08:16:13 PM
Haha well I sure wish I could maintain those anime style rivalries where you have beef but it reinforces both opponents rather than breaking them down. That'd be truly fun.

Either way though, there needs to be a change of pace on the Writer's side of things. Already half the year has gone, so I'm willing to throw myself into something.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on July 21, 2014, 03:11:53 AM
Looks like I missed the heat.

I'm totally in for this. If it's a bit of competition then I'm all for it. Shall we team up, Lego?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
You know it! *Telekinetically fist bumps Litt*

The Vice Virtue Minister and Experimental Coordinator of Righteousness and The Duke of Nottingham have forged a guild?

You have already lost.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vio on July 21, 2014, 10:16:52 AM
Oh I'd so love to be in on that. There are some writer groups actually, more like groups of friends who deal with the same stuff, like Sparkler and stuff, those light novel magazine sites I linked to earlier. But an actual group? That'd be nice.

Hehe, there is the Team MissRiverJoy after all. Let's make our own and name them rivals! Mwahahaha!

Seriously though let's do that man. Get some light novels written and stuff.
Hehe, there is the Team MissRiverJoy after all. Let's make our own and name them rivals! Mwahahaha!

(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y498/MissChurro/BringItOn_zpsa1f8e549.gif) (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/MissChurro/media/BringItOn_zpsa1f8e549.gif.html)
Dear Lego

(http://i.minus.com/ibsVIzSeQVtw22.gif)

Whatchya gonna doooo son??

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/202/9/3/plus_he_can_stay_hydrated_all_the_time_by_drinking_by_ipop99-d7rmahu.jpg)

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8262016000/h8B746777/)
Looks like I missed the heat.

I'm totally in for this. If it's a bit of competition then I'm all for it. Shall we team up, Lego?
You know it! *Telekinetically fist bumps Litt*

The Vice Virtue Minister and Experimental Coordinator of Righteousness and The Duke of Nottingham have forged a guild?

You have already lost.

(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/202/5/7/3_by_ipop99-d7rmahy.png)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2014, 10:22:47 AM
Hahahaha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on July 21, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
You know it! *Telekinetically fist bumps Litt*

The Vice Virtue Minister and Experimental Coordinator of Righteousness and The Duke of Nottingham have forged a guild?

You have already lost.

Duke of Nothingham, my dear Lego. Much less prestigious so don't go thinking a Joker is a Jack.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2014, 04:00:32 PM
Yikes, can't believe I missed that.

Man, this is an Urobutcher if I recall correctly.

Anyways, might as well come up with a team name or something. Or do we look for more guild members?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on July 21, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
Well the original idea was to just have a casual group of writers so members could contact the others whenever to bounce ideas off one another or just discuss different aspects of writing. We can make a name but even if we do we won't be excluding anyone wanting to join afterwards.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2014, 05:23:27 PM
Narukodo... (However they say that.) Seems legit.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 21, 2014, 05:33:04 PM
How about the Terrific Writers Association Troop? We could appreciate it to....Oh never mind!

But jokes aside, a writers guild sounds like a great Idea, someone you can bounce ideas off and gain insight in the very early stages of development.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on July 21, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
That's the plan. I've had ideas that just die because of my lack of motivation or adamantine writer's block so I figure a group of likeminded people would help in that regard.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2014, 06:00:58 PM
Litt how many light novel projects do you have on your burners right now?

@ Vacant Haha, interested? Join in!

(No it's supposed to be more intimidating. Something like The Dentists! Or it should have a random acronym)

Should we like make a Writer's Guild topic? For general discussions? I'd like discussions to be on forum in some manner at least >.> *Cough* avoiding skype for certain reasons *cough cough*
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on July 21, 2014, 06:07:03 PM
Right now I've only got one. I've more or less dropped all my other ideas because I just got lazy. Forgotten what most of them were now.

A topic is fine but it may trouble some people if we flood the forum with our group talk. PMing could work or we could keep with the topic idea and treat it as an open discussion for anyone to jump in on, just that joining the guild gives you a couple benefits like priority and whatnot.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2014, 06:26:47 PM
Yeah, and I think so long as the offtopic madness isn't too much it's fine. If it gets too much at a point we could switch to PM, but I think it needs to be it's own topic focused on the light novel discussion. I'll go ahead and make one.

Haha I know the feel man. Adamantine writer's block sounds nasty though. Craft it into a weapon!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Darksquirrel on July 22, 2014, 04:29:44 AM
Writer's guild topic? I say we name it 'The Mangaraiders cyberspace based, literature oriented saloon, as issued by the local branch of the Writer's guild'.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 22, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
I tried to analyze the meaning of that title and I got a headache-ache >...<

Anyhow if you're interested in the 'guild' you can join it here http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,11614.msg192827/topicseen.html#msg192827

Let's get some light novels written
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 10, 2014, 05:38:01 AM
Hunting for anime scripts, in particular studio Ghibli movie scripts. That isn't going well at all. Anyone have any ideas? Apparently there's some free copies in some libraries but yeah.. Those are halfway across the world from here.  I thought there'd be free versions online by now.

Anyways I found a random anime episode script. What do you think of it? http://web.archive.org/web/20031127092017/http://www.renb.net/alli/gk/transcripts/epscrp08.html
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: LittRL on August 10, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
I only skimmed the script but besides a little getting used to I can see this making way more sense working for manga as well. Definitely something I'm going to bookmark for future reference.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 10, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
What was the name of the first story you ever wrote? What was it about? When did you write it?

My first story was a rather odd one I wrote when I was six called "X-ray Eye." It had absolutely nothing to do with x-ray vision. It was only called that because X-ray Eye was the main character's middle name. Not his nickname. His given middle name. The story basically went like this: a 10-year-old kid (because that was like the coolest age to be back then— every kid in every Hot Wheels commercial was 10 years old and had spiked hair) is hiking in the woods, gets assaulted by "crooks," beats them off with his kung fu skills, and then, because he is so near death and doesn't want to die painfully, (get this) he jumps off a cliff. Yeah, I know. Fun kid, right?

So how about yours?

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2014, 07:11:51 AM
I know that feel. As for the first story I ever wrote I do not remember. First novel was The Year of The Ice Age. It was about a coming ice age and how a group of animals were to stop it. It got 'published' but yeah. Super super super low quality stuff haha.

@ Litt I thought so too actually
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 12, 2014, 07:34:43 AM
*points to CS*


well, the earliest rough draft at least. originally it was going to be a much different beast. but as I've said in the past, i never had much interest in writing in my life, but one day i woke up and decided to write a story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Pavo on August 12, 2014, 07:37:39 AM
My first original story that I wrote (not fanfic), was for the school essay. Don't remember clearly what it was, but it was about some nazi soldier who was close with hitler and how hitler was obsessed with sex or something.
Otherwise I started writing stories only recently. In fact Immorta that I'm writing right now could be considered to be my first writen story. Although I came up with lots of stories before I never wrote them down, always keeping them in my head.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2014, 07:42:26 AM
Well talk about random haha

Sudden inspiration to write sounds fun
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Rellim on August 13, 2014, 06:05:57 PM
It's been so long, I started writing at a pretty young age. The first one I can remember writing was a small little story about a super hero named stretchy man.  I think I even made the villain's name "Badman" lol
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on August 13, 2014, 07:23:21 PM
My first story was wheni was 13 and i wrote about a Kingdom and a slave who managed to lead a rebellion.

i wrote it for class. it got a B+ so obviously it wasn't that good.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Pavo on August 13, 2014, 07:41:03 PM
For my nazi soldier story, teacher was debating whether she should give me an F (since it was about Hitler) or A (since it was well written). In the end I got an A.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on August 13, 2014, 08:01:49 PM
I think the first story I wrote that wasn't part of a school assignment was "The Adventures of Smashskull Ironhand" the story behind my chosen orc character in  warhammer fantasy campaign. I remember winning for best background  story. A feat that the 13 year old lil Vacant was very proud of :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on August 17, 2014, 01:45:18 PM
Mark Crilley's 10 tips for writing, some of these are pretty obvious, show don't tell etc. but is food for thought nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb1eMQ4K17Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb1eMQ4K17Y)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on August 29, 2014, 07:28:18 PM
My new story, Second Life, tells about a boy named Shina who is in high school in Japan in the year 2039, he is half Japanese and half white American. Ever since he started his education, he was always mistreated for his mixed heritage by the others who are full Japanese though this didn't break him. Usually after school and on breaks, he played a virtual reality MMORPG to escape the pain of being mistreated called Second LIfe, which his avatar is called 'Kuremu', short for crimson in katakana (Kuremuson) which he has long black hair, blue eyes, a crimson and black coat with a black jumpsuit beneath, crimson and white boots, and his weapon being a katana-shaped saber with the blade made of energy colored green. He fights to become the best player of Second Life against a billion players... But that changed when mysterious deaths involving mixed people and non-Japanese people in Japan have risen and the one who is behind the deaths is a greater mystery...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on September 08, 2014, 02:58:15 AM
There is an actual Social game called "Second Life"
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on September 08, 2014, 01:15:08 PM
I changed the name to Second Reality after finding out the name
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on September 11, 2014, 02:57:18 PM
Sorry for my earlier outbursts. I was too focused on writing a story about being depressed and loving life that your criticisim just break me. It won't happen again but I won't guarantee it.

To make clear of what the story is about, the story centers around the protagonist Sakuri Karautari who spend most of his life unable to enjoy life, feeling discontent, depressed over losing a loved one and suicidal while at the same time enjoying his time with the heroine Kelly Erica who encourages him to live the way he wanted that his shadow made up of his emptiness prevent him of doing so, slowly regaining his love for life but his grief still locked into his heart. The point of view mostly focus on Kelly in the beginning but will later change to Sakuri's to see the story in a different way. The story will include everyday activities like joining a sports team, a club, spending time with friends and family and many while it focus on overwhelming life problems that needed to be overcome.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 10:33:55 AM
So how is the writing going in general people? Making headway on your major projects? Juggling new ideas?

Trying really hard not to start new projects. It's always so fun to think up new ideas as always
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on September 24, 2014, 10:49:14 AM
I know that feel bro, seems everyday I'm getting new ideas. Thinking of doing a fallout-inspired story now...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 11:04:50 AM
Don't! it's for your own good >..> This addiction must be curbed. Be faithful to the stories you have already written!

Writers Anonymous

Hi, I'm Lego, and I have a writing problem.

"Hi Lego!"



Haha, fallout-inspired huh. I really want to play that game. What ideas were you having for that one?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 24, 2014, 11:18:31 AM
Maaaaaan... so slow on my end... its really disheartening rewriting parts of my work and in general I'm so busy with uni that I just can't find proper time to get motivated to do it... so for me Public Enemy No.2 is on indefinite hiatus...

Once things calm down I definitely plan to write more for The Grand Unification as I have a lot of fun writing that, but I think I'm gonna turn it into a collection of shorts probably. But we will see.

At the moment working as part of team paper dragons which I think is going fairly well and probably going to be a good collaboration effort. So most of my spare time not on here I spend trying to get things moving there (timezones suck...).

I've found I feel more like an ideas man... the problem is that doesn't help me as a writer. I don't want to come up with a tens of ideas that will never get written, I want to work hard on a couple before moving on... but i'm better at coming up with concepts than I am at writing. I think that's a realisation that a lot of people that come to the site should take note of... writing the chapters and scripting them is a whole different ball game in comparison to just coming up with a viable idea... I was probably a bit naive when I joined... I have changed my outlook now (and as such my portfolio...).

I look forward to having time and energy to write again though. Probably once I settle into my project and get most of the prerequisite scientific paper reading out of the way. I have a couple of ideas that I would like to try and write for as kind of short projects - I feel that's the best place to start. Then over the holidays I plan to brush up on some drawing skills!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 11:29:58 AM
Nice nice nice.

Always be careful with the school balancing act. Especially science >....<

But yeah I figured that out too about the writing thing. I call it 'being in development hell'. Where it's so easy and simple to develop a story and make character lists and basically theorize all over it, but find it near impossible to actually write. Tis why I'm slowly getting rid of using any outlines at all and feeling out the story as I write.

Have you got anything written for the Grand Unification thing?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 24, 2014, 11:45:48 AM
Man, I got a lot of ideas recently but too much time is going to playing Destiny for me to implement them.

This game is ruining my life. But damn if I care.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Shiratori on September 24, 2014, 11:48:50 AM
Maaaaaan... so slow on my end... its really disheartening rewriting parts of my work and in general I'm so busy with uni that I just can't find proper time to get motivated to do it... so for me Public Enemy No.2 is on indefinite hiatus...

Once things calm down I definitely plan to write more for The Grand Unification as I have a lot of fun writing that, but I think I'm gonna turn it into a collection of shorts probably. But we will see.

At the moment working as part of team paper dragons which I think is going fairly well and probably going to be a good collaboration effort. So most of my spare time not on here I spend trying to get things moving there (timezones suck...).

I've found I feel more like an ideas man... the problem is that doesn't help me as a writer. I don't want to come up with a tens of ideas that will never get written, I want to work hard on a couple before moving on... but i'm better at coming up with concepts than I am at writing. I think that's a realisation that a lot of people that come to the site should take note of... writing the chapters and scripting them is a whole different ball game in comparison to just coming up with a viable idea... I was probably a bit naive when I joined... I have changed my outlook now (and as such my portfolio...).

I look forward to having time and energy to write again though. Probably once I settle into my project and get most of the prerequisite scientific paper reading out of the way. I have a couple of ideas that I would like to try and write for as kind of short projects - I feel that's the best place to start. Then over the holidays I plan to brush up on some drawing skills!
I know how you feel. I also have lots of concept ideas. I could write a lot of stories. But I don't know how they would turn out though. To finish your stories, the best advices I can give you are:

- Time is short, focus only in one project.

- Finish that project! You have to!! The problem with 99% of amateurs stories is that they never reach the end. And finishing the project will give you a major confidence boost... only to be shattered when you have no readers ( ; _ ; )

- Don't start writing right after thinking about the premise. Mature the ideas in your head (this took me a month without writing a word). Try to layout all the events and chapters, write the ideas in short summaries, including all the scenes you think that are important. Think about how the story will end and how it will reach there.

- I usually never have writer's block, maybe because I have read/seen thousands of stories in my life (movies, anime, manga...) and they serve as inspiration (copying them and using clichés is no good though  :noyoudon't: so you have to twist the concepts around). The problem is that I have a lot of ideas and I can't write them fast enough. So, I note them down for later.

- If you have great ideas for a new project while working on something, just note them down to work on them later and focus on your current project. You can work on those ideas once you finish what you were doing (and with time, maybe you'll realize the idea was not so good.)

Hope it helps.
 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 24, 2014, 12:02:32 PM
I have about the first 3rd of the next instalment. Unfortunately I accidentally deleted the bookmark for the webpage I was using for research and now I can't find it again and can't remember the name of the place where the battle happens! Just my luck :P

I'm having fun coming up with some factions for a different story... you can really get creative and stuck in there, but making sure that they all have a relevant impact and function in the world is hard.

I'm more excited about finally being in a canon story though :D it takes a lot of creativity to write those so well done to all who have!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 12:08:44 PM
Canon stories have unfortunately become intimidating to write for some people? >.> But really mostly anything flies (If you do not make Lego wear a trenchcoat we will have a problem.)

@ Shiratori Some helpful tips there. Some of them I've even said before but it's helpful when you hear it from another party.

@ Coryn Man the way I'll get into Destiny as soon as I have the chance. You think it'll be around in a year Coryn? Reading mixed reviews about it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 24, 2014, 12:17:38 PM
@Shiratori

Thanks :)

I fully intend to finish Public Enemy No.2, but it needs a lot of rewriting to change a whole character essentially and I just don't have time to do that right now. The first chapter is fine as it stands now though I think but might need a little tinker.

I like writing 2 stories at the same time especially two that are as different as mine. As a casual writer it helps me stay motivated to write at least something. But I would never write more than that myself.

It's not that I have writers block, just a general lack of motivation to sit down and write in the very little free time I have now that I'm back at uni. Luckily I will work as part of the paper dragons team so that i'm not 100% a lazy ass :P

I have tons of mind-maps for all of my ideas on the side... gotta prevent myself from getting too excited to write for them though... I have to focus!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
I heard from a podcast on making comics that a dude found himself more productive after he got married. He was more aware of how much his time was passing since he needed to schedule time for his art, his hobby and his married life and that in turn made him have a better work ethic. I totally believe that. Even if you had a super free schedule you'd lose any sense of urgency >.> It's hard to rile yourself up to work like that.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 24, 2014, 12:43:57 PM
Sorted! I'll get married!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 12:50:34 PM
Oooooy! Let's not get hasty now
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Shiratori on September 24, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
Isn't getting in a relationship counter-productive? I mean, you need to spend time with your sweet :heart: , so less free time.

I like writing 2 stories at the same time especially two that are as different as mine.
I could never do that. I'd go crazy  ::) One story is tiring enough and I make many mistakes as it is. When I'm proofreading, sometimes I find big plot inconsistencies that I go, oh my god  :ohmy: (just hope I didn't let any pass)

About lack of motivation, tell me about it! I'm also lazy by nature, but I was all happy when I was writing my 1st story. It turned out much better than I ever thought I would be capable of. My motivation was so high that I started writing a sequel. But after releasing my story on the net, and getting 0 comments/0 views every day, it started killing me inside. I'm so sad and unmotivated that I simply can't get to work...

I mean, I love writing, it's a lot of fun. But revising it and making it presentable, all that is very hard and boring work. So why am going through that? Anyone feels the same?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 24, 2014, 01:08:27 PM
Kinda, I know the feeling where you've got a story and you've put it out there and you want to hear people's opinions of it so you sit there for like 30 seconds after posting it and then check to see if anyone has commented :P

But making your story presentable is a big deal, you should just try and think of it as part of the writing and posting process. It makes reading a piece of work that much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on September 24, 2014, 01:13:21 PM
My stories used too many words. Now I have no words, yet still 2000 words for first chapter of new Manga concept.

Don't want to post new chapter right now though. Too good.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 01:21:39 PM
Hahaha yeah

Oh and the attention thing is hard to get over >.> Always takes you a while to know how it's done.

Newbie: I shall now join this manga forum and post my stories and i'll get all feedback because me me me it'll be AWESOME!

Vet:  :sheep:


@ Shiratori Haha, unless you're joined at the hip it's not really feasible that one in a relationship is always next to the other. There's got to be small moments of relative freedom. Let's say someone is so super busy they have like only 10 minutes legitimate 'them' time. That 10 minutes is a lot even with writing. That's 50 minutes in 5 days! Muhuhaha... Haha?

Anyways with how precious such time would be you would definitely pay attention and do what you can to be at your best. I've discovered routine is the way to get things done better, not short massive bursts of productivity

I like writing 2 stories at the
I mean, I love writing, it's a lot of fun. But revising it and making it presentable, all that is very hard and boring work. So why am going through that? Anyone feels the same?

This is exactly what I was talking about recently. Sort of thought I was the only one having that issue. I mean even I would get tired of a harry potter book if I had to read through it like 10 times to pick out any grammatical issues. Tis why Editors are hired that's for sure.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on September 24, 2014, 01:50:09 PM
It's true man, I find the more busy your work/educational/social schedule is, the more efficiently you organise your time. When balancing work and keeping the missus happy, my free time becomes more precious to me and I'm more inclined to be more productive with it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Pavo on September 24, 2014, 01:57:44 PM
Well I finally after two weeks of pause started writing new chapter for my main project. Although I sometimes have trouble with "filling up" the chapter. And I also get no feedback on it, so that's a bit disheartening. But once I get to good part of the story, that should change.
However I was writing one one-shot manga in meantime.
And since I'm story writer for the game I'm working on I had to write that too. And problem with that is that it's about time traveling and I developed my own concept of what happens with changing history. Now I have to write down how all that works so I could explain to others who participate in making of it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 02:03:33 PM
Yikes I got lost there. You have a bunch of things to write it seems, and yeah no feedback sucks like heck. Maybe fiddle with the font and stuff? Walls of text are ridiculously intimidating. Also, 'do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' ... Like a boss. It's cheap to think of it as 'if I comment then i'll get a comment in return' but it's a generally productive attitude to have especially around the forums.



@Vacant hmmm so it's confirmed. haha and you do have a lot of work written to prove that. Needs more feedback tho >.>

I also hear the significant other can be a good critique if you bother them. Stephen King's wife apparently shows him no mercy when she critiques and he enjoys it haha.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Pavo on September 24, 2014, 02:36:54 PM
Yikes I got lost there. You have a bunch of things to write it seems, and yeah no feedback sucks like heck. Maybe fiddle with the font and stuff? Walls of text are ridiculously intimidating. Also, 'do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' ... Like a boss. It's cheap to think of it as 'if I comment then i'll get a comment in return' but it's a generally productive attitude to have especially around the forums.



@Vacant hmmm so it's confirmed. haha and you do have a lot of work written to prove that. Needs more feedback tho >.>

I also hear the significant other can be a good critique if you bother them. Stephen King's wife apparently shows him no mercy when she critiques and he enjoys it haha.
it's true that I haven't given any feedback to others, but that's because I didn't actually have much time to read through some stories.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 24, 2014, 02:49:21 PM
@ Coryn Man the way I'll get into Destiny as soon as I have the chance. You think it'll be around in a year Coryn? Reading mixed reviews about it.

potentially. but that's besides the fact that we don't own the same consoles
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
Haha I don't own a console in the first place. I'll need to buy one soon though. PS4 is looking very friendly at the moment
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Shiratori on September 24, 2014, 03:30:56 PM
This is exactly what I was talking about recently. Sort of thought I was the only one having that issue. I mean even I would get tired of a harry potter book if I had to read through it like 10 times to pick out any grammatical issues. Tis why Editors are hired that's for sure.
Someone who understands me.  ;D I sure must have re-read my work around 10. I re-read a chapter as soon as I finish it. And then again when I finish a set of 4~5 chapters. And then again and again after the whole thing is done. First couple of times, it doesn't hurt at all. In fact, when I re-read the whole thing the first time (that means, the 3rd or 4th time already), I enjoy it a lot. But then the 5th time, then the 6th....  :bored:

About the lack of feedback... I'm getting used to it by now. I still go to my mail to see if I got a notification a lot of times a day and everytime: no new mail. But oh well... I'm trying to advertise it in a lot of forums out there. Of course I don't create a topic and run, and I've been making a lot of friends, so that's good per se even if I don't have many readers. And yes, I sometimes read other people's works in an attempt to make them read mine :sure: What I dislike in reading other people's works is that they usually never end their stories... and the fact that everyone is doing magic/fantasy/supernatural/superpowers/fighting stories and I'm kinda tired of those genres  :push: But I found many talatend writers out there, if only they were given a chance...


Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
Haha, I know how frustrating stories that just peter out and die are >..>

But powers! And swords! And explosions and stuff!

Haha yeah things can get tired in a genre, but I think so long as the characters are done well they can work out in any common genre.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on September 24, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
Note to console-wanters: Playstation Controllers never changed... still annoying when you strafe right and look left at the same time.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
Man their design has always annoyed me haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 24, 2014, 07:42:56 PM
I need to get back to the grindstone writing. I'm just so tired all the time. I don't even do much in a day. Scratch that. I actually do a lot of music everyday, but it feels like wasting time more than work. I suppose that's a good thing, though.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on September 25, 2014, 07:37:17 PM
Don't! it's for your own good >..> This addiction must be curbed. Be faithful to the stories you have already written!

Writers Anonymous

Hi, I'm Lego, and I have a writing problem.

"Hi Lego!"



Haha, fallout-inspired huh. I really want to play that game. What ideas were you having for that one?

Dunno, I'm just going for something straight forward this time. It's about a young woman who's city relies on fishing to get by in the wasteland, but pollution from an unknown source kills her parents and makes most of the people sick. Being one of the only people still healthy from the ordeal, she's put in a raffle where she ends up tasked to finding help out in the wasteland (Maybe some doctor or loot a hospital). It's a bit bare at the moment, so nothing great.

But now I'm getting the urge to write another story... urrrrgghhh
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 25, 2014, 09:25:37 PM
Words on a page are gonna happen tonight.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on September 25, 2014, 09:45:05 PM
I tell myself that every night but... T_T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on September 25, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
nooooooooo don't tell that story. My determination can't take it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on September 30, 2014, 05:05:05 PM
Write in a god damned word document. It's easier.

Unless you were just speaking figuratively - then just write five hundred words. Or 250 until you have 50,000 or so. It's really not that many.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on October 05, 2014, 06:51:10 PM
Was watching the film Troy. Now I feel a new story idea come into my head. What is wrong with me...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 05, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
You sure like those sorts of stories huh.

Jot it down in your writing notepad. It'll come in handy in the future.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 05, 2014, 07:03:03 PM
Bit of a meh film... but great if you feel inspired!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 05, 2014, 07:14:18 PM
Ooooy! Troy was a good movie!


Was it?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 05, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
Write in a god damned word document. It's easier.

Unless you were just speaking figuratively - then just write five hundred words. Or 250 until you have 50,000 or so. It's really not that many.
Figuratively, yes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 05, 2014, 07:54:55 PM
Looking for that topic where people posted what songs go with their stories?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on October 05, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
Troy seemed to be a tad commercialised since it was tagging along the 'Swords & Sandals' genre gravy train ever since Gladiator revived popularity in the genre. But it is hard to put down the talented cast, decent characters (Which is hard to do with a large cast and difficult names), great focus on the action and the epic scale of it all. I give it a 7/10 overall.

...But yes, I'm going to write some notes. Was thinking of maybe doing a Shonen thing with focus on the single-duels between the warriors, only that they're able to use powers like elements and fo shizzle.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 05, 2014, 08:09:19 PM
Haha, elemental powers make the world go round?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 05, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
^I second that!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 05, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Yargh, I need some motivation to write. I figure reading and reviewing stories on MR will help, but I don't have much motivation to read stories on MR either much less reviewing. I suppose this is called sloth. Unacceptable for a practitioner of righteous science.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on October 05, 2014, 09:24:03 PM
A good thing to do is set a small goal when writing. Something like 200 words. It's an easy goal so you'll have no problem reaching it, but by the time you finished, you'll get your brain juices flowing!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 05, 2014, 09:29:30 PM
That's probably a good idea. I think I'm so afraid of having to revise all at once and totally rearrange things that I revise while I write which isn't conducive to pressure free writing in the long run.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 05, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
Yargh, I need some motivation to write. I figure reading and reviewing stories on MR will help, but I don't have much motivation to read stories on MR either much less reviewing. I suppose this is called sloth. Unacceptable for a practitioner of righteous science.

I also lose motivation. i'm usually seeing the same issues time after time after time...and the worst of it is that that now the red flags are becoming clearer and clearer and people dont seem to point them out anymore. people have become fanfic blind.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 06, 2014, 12:49:34 AM
Yeah, I always make the same mistake of setting everything up wrong and have to majorly rework things.

I've meant to review the newer chapters of Lunacy, but just haven't sat down and done it. Same with a lot of stories people are working hard on. I've been told to write 200-250 words a day twice, so I'm going to try that to see if it at least makes writing habitual if not more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 06, 2014, 02:15:29 AM
When you wrote that earlier I was already mulling the idea in my head to start off my workshop, so one of us is being haunted with that task.

I failed on my first day because laziness/tiredness. It won't happen again!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 06, 2014, 06:17:10 AM
Yeah, I always make the same mistake of setting everything up wrong and have to majorly rework things.

I've meant to review the newer chapters of Lunacy, but just haven't sat down and done it. Same with a lot of stories people are working hard on. I've been told to write 200-250 words a day twice, so I'm going to try that to see if it at least makes writing habitual if not more enjoyable.

If you aren't motivated to read and review member's stories, and you are reading or watching published series anyways, then try reviewing those! Thinking about series in a critical way can help a lot in terms of getting your mind in gear.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 06, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
first, you need to know what exactly 200-250 words a day looks like. most times people on this forum spend writing more than that each day on this forum, but its mostly done to socialize.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 07, 2014, 09:26:31 PM
So was reviewing a member work and worked out a technique I use to try to write successful natural sounding dialogue (and story)...

Basically after writing a piece, I read it out loud to myself and imagine I'm talking to/having the conversation with my dad...

Basically... before you all think I'm crazy... my dad is one of the most cynical people I know (I love him but it's true...) so if something - even the smallest detail - sounds off, I know he would turn his nose up at it and laugh, prompting me to work on improving it. For me this helps to avoid writing corny or forced lines.

It does take a certain degree of empathy and knowing a cynic... but think of it as basically writing to please the standards of someone that won't accept any mistakes, and someone who if given a line that sounded odd wouldn't read it out loud even to help you out :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 07, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
Thats basically applies to everything...and you really need to have that side to you. It seems you're finally understanding what it takes to write No1sey. Takes me back to the time when you preached casual writing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 08, 2014, 08:04:38 AM
Hahahaha well I'm still a casual sorrrrry....

But it just occurred to me that this is the technique I use when writing dialogue... I guess it helps that I have a cynical parent :P I just imagine the two of us reading the script I write as if we are practicing a play. My dad would be the last person to say anything corny or stupid...

I still think that people can write whatever they want and write to satisfy themselves, but they should still aim to improve themselves and their writing, otherwise you stop being able to satisfy even yourself.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: everlastin01 on October 08, 2014, 02:26:07 PM
So in other words you are still supporting casual writing as sorta a practice to get yourself better before and while you are writing stories?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 08, 2014, 02:29:52 PM
Hahahaha well I'm still a casual sorrrrry....

But it just occurred to me that this is the technique I use when writing dialogue... I guess it helps that I have a cynical parent :P I just imagine the two of us reading the script I write as if we are practicing a play. My dad would be the last person to say anything corny or stupid...

I still think that people can write whatever they want and write to satisfy themselves, but they should still aim to improve themselves and their writing, otherwise you stop being able to satisfy even yourself.
no, it wasn't that you were a casual writer back then, but whenever i gave critique you would preach casualness to the point that you didn't allow people to get the use of the advice.

Thats something that should never be done even if you are casual writer....when you get critique, dont preach a side that just means no effort. You're not really "casual" anymore either if you're now relying on cynicism to get you moving.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 08, 2014, 03:38:48 PM
Woah woah woah there, I never preached for anyone to not use the advice they were given. Just for reviewers not to push the advice they give any further than suggestion and to understand people's motives for what they write.

@everlastin - not really. I mean that even if you write casually with no motovation to actually make a career out of it, you should still be looking to improve yourself and your writing. You can use it as a means of practice if you want, but at the end of the day it's really about getting the most out of yourself and improving life skills.

Even if you are happy with the level you write at and feel like you don't need to get better, there will come a point where what you write won't satisfy you anymore and so its a good idea to always look to improve so you can always be happy with your work.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 08, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
Woah woah woah there, I never preached for anyone to not use the advice they were given. Just for reviewers not to push the advice they give any further than suggestion and to understand people's motives for what they write.


It was much more than that. May I point to some of what youve said ::) in areas outside of ppls stories and more into a particular area where.general advice was given?

There was a point when you really did preach about It against the reviewers regardless of what the author thought of it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 08, 2014, 06:54:39 PM
Well if there are any exact examples where people think I went too far then I do apologise.

Also my advice should not be taken as gospel :P It comes from a very unprofessional, self-serving and self-built standpoint (nothing but an A grade in English GCSE, a lifetime of enjoyment of literature and 9 or so years reading manga)... but if people find something they like in it then they can take from it what they will. I try to at least make it helpful and accessible.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 08, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
I used to read, then I took a twilight saga to the brain.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 09, 2014, 04:21:25 AM
Im also losing the passion for reading. Mainly because the more, I read the more books are targetted toward teens. The more popular books are always the gate way to reading novels but it never evolves
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
I had a phase where I wasn't reading anything (aside from manga). A few years in fact... It was about the time of my English GCSE actually...

I had always been into a certain type of story - usually crime/action thrillers with a bit of mystery thrown in - and about that time I had finished up all of the really stand out series - The Bourne trilogy by Robert Ludlum (and up to date with the continuations by Eric van Lustbader), The complete Sherlock Holmes Collection by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, The Dan Brown series, and I was up to date with my current favourite; the Sigma Force series by James Rollins. Before that time I had been interested in all manner of things though, from the Darren Shah Series to novels to Rudyard Kiplings poems and stories...

My Grandmother made sure I had an appreciation for literature and the English language... but studying it kinda sapped my interest (especially Shakespeare and modern Poetry...).

All it's taken recently is sitting down, when I have some time, on my kindle and browsing through the books on offer. Same can be done sitting in a bookstore. I ignore all the popular stuff and just look for the blurbs that interest me. There is something for everyone, just like in manga, you just have to sift through to find it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 09, 2014, 07:23:06 AM
You've finished Sherlock and the Bourne series? Man I wish I did that.

Mostly I've found my laptop at fault with my reading life. Mayhap a kindle could trick my computer addicted brain into reading novels. But I'm happy that i've finished a good audiobook and some 3 novels this year. Way too low compared to my previous reading habits but it's still something.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 07:26:43 AM
Kindle is really great... I was not convinced at all but it's led me to reading books that I would never have picked up without it there offering that kindle store accessibility.

But you need time to read a book... I wouldn't have read anything had I not had a long drive to and from Scotland.

Busy life is in the way the most :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 09, 2014, 07:28:58 AM
Audiobooks are legitimately a way to go then.

I tried the game of thrones one though and the narrator's voice got to me a bit haha. Ended up making it too hard to read.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 07:32:24 AM
I dunno about audiobooks... I could only ever have Stephen Fry read to me :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 09, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
Haha. So you actually finished the Bourne series?

managed to get 1,236 words written, which is the first amount of words I've written in a bit too long methinks, especially considering that was supposed to be the daily word count.

Looking forward to crazy NanoWrimo madness this year.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 04:49:41 PM
I'm not up to date with the Eric V Lustbader continuations anymore but i finished the original trilogy in about year 8 or 9... my dad gave me the books after he read them and they were my first "Grown up" books.

New story Lego?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 09, 2014, 04:56:58 PM
It's being continued by another writer?

Probably. I might just finish off one that's been languishing in the WIP folder though. That's always very useful. It'd be fun if I could do 50k in one day again, but I doubt I have the energy haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 05:23:59 PM
50k!? Holy hell that would take a lot of work...

All my writing attention is turned towards reviews at the moment... I hope people are reading them coz I could be writing my own stuff instead :P nahhh I think its a good exercise for me actually, but it's a lot of work...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 09, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
Haha well I've had a bad time following them, and I still suffer from spoiler anxiety >.>
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Well... I do give episode plot summaries... but I try to make them spoiler free for the important stuff or the twists. But you can't really give a review without the readers having some sort of context for it... so... it's a tough balance.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 09, 2014, 05:44:43 PM
I've never understood reviews of anime or movies. Reviews of books I can understand.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 09, 2014, 06:07:29 PM
What's not to get? they are essentially the same thing :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 10, 2014, 08:48:56 PM
The biggest problem with anime and manga reviews is that they get pretentious and really make them difficult to understand...the novel reviews for me really break it down.

Even when its clear what their saying, its often difficult how important it is.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 10, 2014, 10:49:12 PM
Well I try to make sure that I always state the kind of watcher that would best like the series, so that at least it's useful in some way.

Also I try to keep mine objective while still keeping my personality as part of the writing.

Of course this means that some people's opinions will differ, or they just won't like the way that I wrote the review, but that's just something I have to accept. they are just first impressions, so in the long run they could be completely wrong... but my hope is that rather than tell people what not to watch, they can open people up to trying shows that they would not have otherwise watched.

I was joking when I said that people best be reading them, it may be a lot of work but I'm not going to expect or force anyone to read them :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 11, 2014, 02:52:20 AM
I'm sure your reviews are good, don't let my personal opinion dissuade you out of writing them.. I'm not even sure if I used that word in the right context - but I don't really care because... welll you know... outrageous.

Anyway, I was just saying it how I felt after I read the word 'reviews and anime' somewhere around here.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on October 14, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
I used to read lot of books in the past (blame video games and the Internet), I figured I lost the reason what make books enjoyable. To admit, I don't know why I want to write here in the first place but recently, I want to write about how people today (especially in Japan) are dealing with issues relating to their lives and society as they are like slaves to society (and themselves). Most people today aren't showing who they really are and instend do and act what soceity demand them to meet their expectations. America is a huge example of a society who demands everyone living in the nation to be who aren't they really are.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 14, 2014, 01:29:10 PM
I concur.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 14, 2014, 03:02:36 PM
I dunno about that really... I do notice that a lot of manga and anime stories revolve around the same kind of schools and the same kind of social issues, and people tend to always act in the same way in them. It does make me wonder just how big the culture difference is, or if these stories are big exaggerations of Japanese society targeted at school-kids to try and trick them into thinking school can be fun... or that random mech battles or ghost hauntings or clumsy naive girls will actually appear after school...

Over here in the UK though, and from my time spent in Canada and the US, I'd say people are pretty free to follow any path they choose, whether they want to walk down a pre-laid path or forge a new one. The only thing is that in our society it rewards the wealthier people more so than the poorer people and the hard workers. But then the opportunities open to intelligent and motivated people are plentiful. More often than not though kids are forced to choose what they want to do in life very early on so that their education can be streamlined to cater to that, meaning you often get stuck in a career path early on, or you are left directionless at the end of education because you never made up your mind before.

I would agree though, as far as to say that people strive to meet certain expectations so that they can fit in - especially when it comes to emulating celebrity culture. A lot of people want to act how the most popular people act and have no interest in being their own person or strive to achieve anything more than a similar status of popularity.

But personally I feel that it's a personal choice and not something that society forces you into... If you don't mind not wearing the latest fashion item or knowing the latest slang, and if you are motivated to work hard enough then you could literally work your way up into any job and position you want and act in whatever way you want so long as it doesn't have a negative impact on those around you. People may not be accepting of everyone and how they would personally like to be, but there is actually very little exclusion or bullying for those reasons, especially when you grown up and move out of lower education... people are just generally smarter and more open to living alongside other people, no matter how different they are so long as they are nice.

It could be an interesting concept to explore in writing, but I don't know how you could make a story about it interesting... there are plenty of animes and mangas about idols and japanese pop culture and I don't see a story about Western pop culture being any more exciting... we already have Jersey Shore, The Only Way is Essex and Made in Chelsea...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on October 14, 2014, 03:29:40 PM
I understand people can succeed even not being true to themselves, that's the sad part.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 14, 2014, 03:36:48 PM
That is sad, but success comes in many different forms... I will admit, it irks me that people with no talent but that are popular for the sake of being popular make millions of dollars a year, when people actually achieving things and helping society progress do not.

But what I'm saying is that people are able to succeed by being themselves as well, just with motivation and with effort. The reward may not always be as great, but usually people in that position care less about fame and money and care more about what they are actually doing.

Success doesn't mean you will feel fulfilled in life either. Some people would say that's a shallow way of living.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on October 14, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
Yeah, my story is parthally focusing on the main character attempting to convince those he met to be themselves. The major part of the story however, he deals with a childhood pain that haunts him as his shadow deep within him. I won't say anymore of that until later.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 14, 2014, 04:13:03 PM
Well that is a more interesting angle, seeing as it's hard enough to feel the motivation and the security to be yourself when having to deal with internal stress or pain, let alone help others to work towards that at the same time also.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on October 14, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
Yeah, he like helping others and is happy when they are enjoying life as he does not wanted to see a person to suffer like himself. When he meets the transfer student from America, he wanted to improve her life to the fullest as to redeem himself for his choice of letting his close friend die and regreted about it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 14, 2014, 05:05:39 PM
Sounds like a lot of people... I mean characters I know.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on October 14, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
I know but the story will focus on the American girl also, she has a different viewpoint. Compared to the male MC, she wants to feel like home in the town after moving away from her country. She has similar issues like him but she got over them. She hopes everyone in the town would treat her like one of them.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 15, 2014, 03:54:13 PM
Any tips on writing good female characters? Anything you noticed about female characters you find interesting?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 15, 2014, 04:33:16 PM
I really like Koko from Jormungand. Female characters have the potential to be very commanding and scheming but still maintain a soft exterior, which I think is a strength especially when writing.

I think it's a little bit of a caricature of real life but female characters are often depicted as hiding their true identities or emotions. This is dull when the writer turns the girl/woman into a Tsundere most times, but I think there is a lot you can do with that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 15, 2014, 05:45:41 PM
Found Koko to be awesome, and to me Black Lagoon has the best cast of female characters everrr. Balalaika! Revvy! That chinese chick!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on October 15, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
yeah Revy was badddd ass!!! 

hmmm, I'm not too sure what the thought process is for creating female characters. I do have some pet peeves when it comes to females in stories though. When they are purely there for eye candy and are essentially dead weight, that just makes them uninteresting and hinder the story.

I don't mind the tropes being wheeled out, so long as they actually have a character and serve a purpose. Oh and if it's a shonen, or something I like them to be strong willed and have a bit of grit too and capable of kicking ass.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 15, 2014, 06:41:50 PM
Then it seems like my inclinations are correct. I tend to make them badass gunslingers anyways so no problem there.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on October 15, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
When thinking of Female Characters I like best, it's the strong willed ones that come to mind first. They don't have to bad ass or even adept fighters, so long as they have some resolve and aren't treated like lesser human beings or something.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 15, 2014, 07:42:06 PM
"Treated like lesser human beings." <--- That's outrageous.

I like all female characters. Except the occasional yandere loli. Terrifying.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on October 15, 2014, 07:53:19 PM
haha, Ahem EDIT! *aren't treated like lesser human beings.

See, no one noticed  :sure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 16, 2014, 07:56:14 AM
Haha I noticed but I tend to leave my grammar nazi badge at home. Too bothersome esp. when you know what one means
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 16, 2014, 05:46:21 PM
He didn't have the "aren't" anywhere in there.

So it was just: "ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE TREATED LIKE LESSER HUMAN BEINGS"

Which made me cringe enough to pull my GN-Badge back out of the black box buried beneath the catacombs... in my closet.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 16, 2014, 06:04:01 PM
Well mine requires a lengthy transformation sequence so...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 16, 2014, 06:57:21 PM
I suppose one does not simply put a badge on.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 16, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
Well mine requires a lengthy transformation sequence so...

Are you really sure you wanna do that...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 16, 2014, 07:14:29 PM
...


...

No I do not. Tis why I seldom wear the badge.

But as a Raider, it's necessary T-T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on October 17, 2014, 09:01:36 PM
Here's a question; The mother of the Main Character died in a car crash about a decade ago. How do I manage to show this fact to the audience without it being cheesy/convenient?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 17, 2014, 09:06:12 PM
Really depends on the scenario the MC is in... but someone could always ask "You live alone?" or have him look depressed at people that are talking about their mothers, or you could have a quiet scene of him standing by a grave or at the roadside by the scene. just keep bouncing ideas around but think about how things go down in real life - roadside flower memorial displays, people offering condolences and stuff like that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 17, 2014, 10:54:25 PM
Really angry thoughts on the subject could work.  Or near clinical descriptions on what actually killed her in the crash.  MC could try to act aloof when it really gets to them.  Or the subject could be earnestly avoided.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 18, 2014, 12:43:50 AM
When it comes down to it; make it the reason why your character acts the way they do. Whether it be lethally over-joyous or deadly cynical.

There's this sweet spot when it comes down to effectiveness before everything falls off due to how early it is (can't remember)

In my opinion. Just ask yourself how much it affects them and why it affects them.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MangoVoid on October 18, 2014, 01:32:54 PM
Hi :)
I'm started writing recently and i would like to know if any of you have some tips or can share information to help
me get started!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: neoraise on October 18, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
@mangovoid;try to post short stories in the short story section..I'm also learning..I've posted 3 short stories..we can help together if you want..
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 18, 2014, 01:55:49 PM
Hi :)
I'm started writing recently and i would like to know if any of you have some tips or can share information to help
me get started!
The only thing I can tell you is to link us to a thread in the "DEVELOPING YOUR STORY" forum in the writer's category so that we can give you tips and feedback on that which you have already written. Don't worry about it being  fanfiction, unfinished, or even yaoi... don't google that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MangoVoid on October 18, 2014, 02:51:40 PM
Hi :)
I'm started writing recently and i would like to know if any of you have some tips or can share information to help
me get started!
The only thing I can tell you is to link us to a thread in the "DEVELOPING YOUR STORY" forum in the writer's category so that we can give you tips and feedback on that which you have already written. Don't worry about it being  fanfiction, unfinished, or even yaoi... don't google that.

Thank you for the help :)
And you tell me not to google it but...  :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on October 18, 2014, 02:56:41 PM
You played right into it.

All: gg wp
Team: /ff

Can't play League of Legends anymore, internet to slow.

Heart is crush. Want to just ff in real life now... might actually continue working on my story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Pavo on October 18, 2014, 03:01:07 PM
you also shoudn't google boku no pico either

On a sidenote you should maybe look at some other works to get some insight on how to write
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 18, 2014, 03:13:26 PM
Its easy to tell a story. We've a done it. But writing is more than just telling a story, its showing. What I do suggest you google is the key words "show, don't tell" and see how much it applies to writing a story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 24, 2014, 02:59:47 PM
Always a thing to keep note of.

Question: Which is the best alien invasion you've seen in a story that makes logical sense? I mean Japanese stories tend to have the aliens of course land in japan, and americans have America attacked. Have you seen any story/movie/manga or whatever where you feel the invasion location and things like that were justified?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on October 24, 2014, 03:16:25 PM
Aliens works well with American culture because America is one of the bigger continents and not only that but thers a whole conspiracy of aliens.

In japan, aliens are considered more towards fantasy. Back then their stories involved alien invading japan and other parts of the world. Whenever there were aliens in Japan alone, their stories was much more like supernatural type. You wouldn't see a whole alien invasion and the government getting involved, you would only see one or a group of aliens and only certain characters involved.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 24, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
I'm seriously considering Kiseijuu as being the best I have seen.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 24, 2014, 04:07:01 PM
Oh Kiseijuu rocks. I appreciate it when they don't try to go too international and just accept that 'this here is the setting. It's probably happening elsewhere but it's not in our scope of things'.

The greatest ones I've seen would be All You Need is Kill and of course, Gantz and I Am A Hero
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 24, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Ah if forgot about AYNIK... wish they would finish that...

But I like how plausible Kiseijuu is biologically speaking. And I love the concept that all terrestrial creatures apart from humans follow a survival of the fittest mentality and where that can be taken in this story.

I think the more personal nature of Kiseijuu is what works well though. A watcher can easily assume that the invasion is worldwide without having to be told. But the focus on an exception to the rule works really well and the fact that these aliens are trying to integrate somewhat makes for a more interesting world.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 24, 2014, 04:21:00 PM
That story was really constructed well. I totally enjoyed that manga and thought that it was obscure.

So far as I can see Madhouse is really adapting it well. I'm surprised.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 24, 2014, 04:25:04 PM
I have a slight problem that as a horror it's not scary at all... I was ready to be really spooked and instead I'm finding it quite charming and appealing to the scientist in me...

But it is still really good and i am looking forward to doing my first impressions review on it. I think It may be my favourite show of the season.

What sparked your question about aliens? Do you want to write an alien invasion story?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 24, 2014, 04:29:28 PM
Nothing really, just a thought of the moment especially with the Kiseijuu anime this season. Also, was watching that Hataraku Maouu sama anime where the demon lord teleports to Japan and stuff.

On the writing front I'm supposed to be doing a daily regimen again but I don't have the stomach for that at the moment. Working on the Exorcize illustrations for the next chapter, and hoping to find time to read stories on the forum.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 28, 2014, 10:53:21 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WebSerialNovel

I always feel like running off and opening a blog and starting one when I read these. Looking into How to Survive a Zombie Apocalypse, Ra, Fine Structure and Guts and Sass

there are some pretty creative things out there
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 02, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Ever not know the name of things you see every day? Totally happened to me recently. The back of the truck. Ended up calling the tail gate and panel 'railings'
(http://www.sweptline.com/tech/63_68utiline.jpg)

not knowing the parts of this was personal for me haha

(http://www.opticsfast.com/images/Glasses-Parts.jpg)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on November 02, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
a tale as old of time

i remember doing all sorts of research like this when I was writing Life at Sea.

ships are complicated
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on November 02, 2014, 02:51:21 PM
Research is especially a pain when what you envisioned for the story is completely inaccurate.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on November 02, 2014, 06:17:42 PM
I love that aspect of discovery and warping though :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on November 04, 2014, 02:41:03 AM
Research is highly overrated in terms of fantasy.

On another note, I had the strangest dream of some sort of island filled with decaying but dormant humans put under a curse and were also under the spell of the last guy who defeated the other 'Keeper/Speaker' or something. Several people I was stranded on the island with ended up dying after studying the dormant humans, trying to wake them and take them out of one of the Dormancy chambers. They were targeted, exploded and then no more. Nearing the end of our run, the Speaker/Keep became conscious and forced us to kill him to release him from his eternal torment and agony.

At the end of the dream I ended up fishing in a canoe with a friend that doesn't even exist.

This is why I try not to dream... it gives me strange thoughts and ideas hat are so inconsistent that I can't use them for  a story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on November 04, 2014, 05:34:09 AM
"Temple Tips" Sounds like some kind of crime fighting sidekick.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: AnzeiKazumi on November 04, 2014, 07:14:06 AM
Hey there! Kinda new here, you can call me Anzei! I have an unholy love for the color green, and I want to touch the hearts of thousands through written word...You know, the usual goal of a writer.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 04, 2014, 07:17:16 AM
Go read The Alchemist and learn from a master!

@ Vacant indetat

@ Gelmra mein gott, those'd make great stories though. Incidentally I wrote a short story along those lines.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on November 04, 2014, 11:33:28 PM
Go read The Alchemist and learn from a master!

@ Vacant indetat

@ Gelmra mein gott, those'd make great stories though. Incidentally I wrote a short story along those lines.
THAT AVATAR... SWEET MOTHER OF OUTRAGEOUS... THAT AVATAR... -feints-
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 04, 2014, 11:53:35 PM
Haha... Too appropriate?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 07, 2014, 06:14:29 PM
Writers, how are your note keeping habits? Tonnes of resources on your pc? Do you have a notebook? A journal? Do you update it regularly?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on November 07, 2014, 06:52:04 PM
I bookmark all useful/cool webpages

I take notes when I have time

and I keep mind-maps for most of my ideas :) got a great mac app for it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on November 07, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
I usually just don't do anything after a negative review because my perception is that if it's not good enough the first time, then why bother trying to make it good for a single person?

If it's majority I just make the edits mechanically and hate myself for putting myself through such horrid torment.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on November 08, 2014, 07:36:17 PM
My work starts Organised, then kinda....gets a little cluttered :P

But I have it all on my Laptop and stored in Dropbox too, so I can access my notes on my phone. I basically have folders within folders within folders. So I'd separate it by Chapter lists, Story Arcs, Character Profiles, In Universe stuff, Maps etc.

In short, If I have an idea, I make a note of it. Even if I don't use it, I can always take some bits away from it or spawn new ideas of the back of it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 08, 2014, 07:51:56 PM
Even cloud storage huh. Nice.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 30, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
How goes the writing
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on November 30, 2014, 09:00:21 PM
Good and bad  :unsure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on November 30, 2014, 09:00:38 PM
I did some.

But then Litt never did no coding.


Now momentum is dying.

gonna pester the topic some methinks.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on November 30, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
Slowwwwwww but steady. Done for the night, but I have a lot to think about.

Interesting to see how my expectations of Storm Clouds have changed over the course of the piece. I think it's because this one is driven by certain thoughts I had at specific times and my perspective on things has gradually changed.

Research for The Grand Unification is killing me though... the dark ages are so hard to find good information on... (durrr...)

Wanted to do some fun pieces for the forum, like a murder mystery thing last month for halloween... but coursework has been keeping me really busy and then I got ill. Not too big on christmas so I'll leave that for other members, but hopefully I'll have an opportunity to do something soon.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 30, 2014, 09:09:31 PM
I should probably get around to a short christmas tale, but I should really finish of Dystop 2 since it just must happen. Good that things are looking up for you. Also yeah, school tends to do that.

@ Coryn yus. Is that human still alive? We must gather a mob to bring him out of hiding

@ Ginger Haha I know the feeling.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on November 30, 2014, 09:12:48 PM
Oh *censored*,,l Christmas story... I need to find vacant..

Recently I e had dreams that inspired my story writing... But the problem is remembering them
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on November 30, 2014, 09:14:28 PM
Quote
"The advice I like to give young artists, or really anybody who'll listen to me, is not to wait around for inspiration. Inspiration is for amateurs; the rest of us just show up and get to work. If you wait around for the clouds to part and a bolt of lightning to strike you in the brain, you are not going to make an awful lot of work. All the best ideas come out of the process; they come out of the work itself. Things occur to you. If you're sitting around trying to dream up a great art idea, you can sit there a long time before anything happens. But if you just get to work, something will occur to you and something else will occur to you and something else that you reject will push you in another direction. Inspiration is absolutely unnecessary and somehow deceptive. You feel like you need this great idea before you can get down to work, and I find that's almost never the case." - Chuck Close

Not sure how much the 'young artists' term refers to us old geezers, but yeah, it's a pretty nifty quote
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 03, 2014, 06:20:11 AM
So I'm done with the planning for my current project... and although changes will most likely be made in the near future, im just writing the story at the moment when I have the time and it's going well!

As such I have begun thinking about the plan for my next short project (want to keep them short at the moment to build up a portfolio of smaller finished projects while I work on rewriting PEN2.).

I really want to write something based off of my interpretation of the first part of Tesseract's Altered State album. These are the songs Of Matter - Proxy, Of Matter - Retrospect, and Of Matter - Resist. If things go well I'd like to do a sort of epilogue chapter using Of Mind - Nocturne too.

However these wouldn't be adaptations of the songs into story but more of applying the thoughts they provoke in me to a piece of fiction that I think fits. I can't find anything online that goes in depth on the band's thought process for the lyrics so I don't know if the thoughts I have on the content is accurate or not.

What are people's opinions on basing stories off of songs and also using the source material without accurately adapting it?

The last thing I want to do is to do a disservice to some of my favourite songs...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 06, 2014, 03:52:31 AM
When something is inspired by something there's not always a prerogative to completely understand the source material,  especially in a case as ambiguous as yours.  Sounds like an interesting concept.  I should try out that album.  I know I felt almost the same recently with The Glitch Mob's latest album
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 06, 2014, 06:17:29 AM
I found a little article about the album finally and it pretty much confirmed my own thoughts on the songs and allowed me to solidify my ideas about a plot and story. Glad for your back-up though :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on December 06, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
Started writing a fanfiction again. I have no inspiration, so I just hope people like it when it's done.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on December 14, 2014, 10:02:39 PM
I need to write something to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AotSwDs4aA

unfortunately the scene i want to write to it takes place forever from now (CS stuff). and i don't really want to jump ahead
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 14, 2014, 10:28:35 PM
@Gnash: yeh, I have two ongoing fan fictions, both of which are updated biannually. Usually I do two chapter runs and chapters are averaging 1k words now. Should probably go back and edit the terrible first chapters from like four years ago tho lmao.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 17, 2014, 03:21:21 AM
I need to really continue mine as well.  The Wells of inspiration could definitely use some refilling by the simple fun that fanfics entail. 

@You know you've got to drop more hints there


So how goes it so far NO1SEY?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 17, 2014, 07:56:48 AM
Well life's been pretty busy atm so only just gotten back to writing... but Plot planning for the next project is pretty much done :)

Will finish the 1st chapter of the current project this week with all of the changes I need to make, but I'm also trying to finish the 1st impressions reviews too so it's all fairly busy!

How are you?? haven't seen you around for ages!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 18, 2014, 12:54:07 PM
I'm okay,

And that's mostly because my internet is *censored*
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 18, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Your internet is censored? That's gotta suck, bro.
how do you watch the hentais?

Jk jk I know what you meant.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 01:05:40 PM
Oh 'Lua hehehe

Must be productive though Lego, imagine all the free time you have to make proper use of!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 18, 2014, 02:08:33 PM
all ive found is more time for booze so yeah but you could say that @milk lol
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on December 18, 2014, 02:27:00 PM
The only free time I have is for reading Manga and waiting for ESO (Elder Scrolls Online) to come out. Some writing going on in the midst of all of it - but I always seem to lose that battle after 500 words or so.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 02:31:41 PM
ESO is out already... it's even on offer on steam... it's not worth it though, they shoulda just spent the time developing a co-op mode for skyrim...

Gonna do some more writing once these reviews are finished :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on December 18, 2014, 03:14:20 PM
ESO is out already... it's even on offer on steam... it's not worth it though, they shoulda just spent the time developing a co-op mode for skyrim...

Gonna do some more writing once these reviews are finished :)
I meant the console version, stop trying to make me sound like an idiot. Just because I wasn't being specific doesn't mean there's not a good reason I'd wait until 2015 to get it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 05:27:35 PM
Friends and foes, how goes the story writing?  :santa:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 06:13:44 PM
I meant the console version, stop trying to make me sound like an idiot. Just because I wasn't being specific doesn't mean there's not a good reason I'd wait until 2015 to get it.

WOAHHHH there, chill I wasn't doing anything of the sort! Just picked me up a PS4 myself and I'd consider getting it too if it was up to the standard I'd hoped it would be! But this is a conversation for a different topic.


And I'd rather find out how your writing is going Ginger!?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
Eh, long story shot... slow. People are bust at Christmas and thus hard to get ahold of. So not much fruit has beared lately T_T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 06:52:38 PM
I assume you mean busy :P

Yeah... life is getting pretty hectic! Lots to do, lots of preparations to make, lots of people to see.

Anything you are personally working on?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
Ah yes, busy :P

But personally? Yes, all the time I've got things going on in the background. Nothing worth mentioning now, but some stuff will surface next year probably :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
I miss the times you churned out new ideas on your thread like there was no tomorrow :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
Ha, I can easily do that now ::) It's just a question of whether people will actually look at them, considering that I'll unlikely work on them anytime soon  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 08:21:42 PM
I look at 'em!! I look at 'em gooooood :ohmy:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 08:25:39 PM
*ahem*  :blush:
Well, maybe I'll post something up soon :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
Sorry... a little delirious after the anime I just had to watch... I honestly didn't know something so bad had aired this season...

I look forward to it!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on December 18, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
Ugh. time to throw down words onto a word document and form a chapter with at least 6k words.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 18, 2014, 09:18:10 PM
Good luck!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vio on December 18, 2014, 09:34:28 PM
I got a 2 hour interview with a geneticist at one of the local universities tomorrow.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 09:39:00 PM
Are you going to write a story on it?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vio on December 18, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
I have been "writing" this story, Project: A.N.G.E.L.S. for a couple of years now. One of the biggest parts of this story is genetics and genetic engineering, and I'm at the point where I need someone to explain some questions I have.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 18, 2014, 09:54:19 PM
Angels and genes Huh? Funny enough, the church was the first to scientifically investigate genetics through the breeding of plants  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vio on December 18, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
Funny enough, there's actually no "religious angels" involved in this story. A.N.G.E.L.S. is an acronym. ::)

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on December 18, 2014, 10:14:28 PM
Hilarious.  8)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2014, 05:49:30 AM
Sacrilege! 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 19, 2014, 05:51:42 AM
Potato  :confused:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2014, 05:56:17 AM
Chips
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on December 19, 2014, 05:58:22 AM
I just have no words right now...


only 3 more 1st impressions reviews to go and then I am DONE!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on December 19, 2014, 05:59:49 AM
(http://halcyondayswithyou.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/screen-shot-2010-03-05-at-8-10-20-pm.png)

Here's some inspiration to keep you going  ;D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on January 01, 2015, 07:06:23 AM
With the new year already here, what are people currently writing at the moment? :D How goes story progress?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on January 01, 2015, 07:11:57 AM
Currently writing 3 different stories (pretty big difference in genres too) but I have so much information right now (all on Day of the Falling Stars) but for reasons I am not posting them for a while.  But in the meantime I have been enjoying putting stuff in storyboards for people/helping them on their stories and ideas too
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on January 01, 2015, 07:18:46 AM
I think I'm going through a crisis of managing several stories at once too :)) I ought to use the story boards more often, it'll be good to get some public opinion every once and a while  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MangaMan26 on January 16, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
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I think I'm going through a crisis of managing several stories at once too :)) I ought to use the story boards more often, it'll be good to get some public opinion every once and a while  :hmm:

 Funny, cause I was gonna start a general discussion about wether it is a good idea for a writer to put all their efforts into multiple stories, rather than one, where, they can concentrate on just one, while improving their skills. So when they move on to the next story, they'd have better writing skills and experience. And thus, maybe not hurting their other stories in the process. I mostly say this because, it seems like most members here are still very young (like 15-25 let's say) and I think for them (even for me) that the advantage at this early point in life would be to focus on that one story, finish it, receive feedback, then move on into the next story with what you've learned.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KingLycus on January 17, 2015, 11:51:43 PM
Trying to manage multiple stories is a lot harder than managing just one for sure. It can get time consuming, easy to forget about one story while working on the other, and other struggles. It's also easy to kind of burn out (get exhausted/need a break) when trying to do such a thing. I agree with MangaMan26, just focus on one at a time and improve. That way future works are better and people will see that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on January 18, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Oh yea...  Earlier I posted that I was working on 3 stories...  Not anymore...  Working on 7 (would be more but I gave a couple to free story plots)...  I think of these ideas and I just come up with these huge stories.  Of course I let my co-writer help me with some and focus on certain ones
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on January 18, 2015, 01:20:55 AM
Hmmm I think having several stories idea at once is okay but you should only focus on developing one at a time. For instance, maybe you develop your first story for a month. You get writer's block. Okay, now you move to the second and develop that as long as you can. Writer's block again. Move to the third. So on and so forth.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on January 18, 2015, 01:32:11 AM
My goal is to hit up every genre... my newest one which I haven't posted yet is... game related...  but with this many stories I don't think I need to worry about writer's block but that sounds like a scary thing...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on January 18, 2015, 03:37:43 AM
I have once again neglected the existence of my newest fanfic. I suppose it is time to add it to the collection.. -tosses onto pile of paper in corner-
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on January 18, 2015, 03:43:01 AM
I just post them online (in hopes of an artist dropping by and seeing my awesome experience/skill in making stories and possibly drawing them).  Of course I think it wouldn't happen because they rather draw their own stories so I am trying my best to improve on drawing T.T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on January 18, 2015, 03:56:08 AM
I would draw your stories; if I knew how to draw.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on January 18, 2015, 04:09:15 AM
Reaction to complements to my own stories:  O.o  I feel awesome...  If only I had more time though...  All I want to do is draw and write stories...  I obviously like writing stories more because I like how fast I could progress but I like drawing because it is fun and cool (if I spend enough time...)  Gave me a great idea for a manga though...

My newest idea...  A guy who can't draw manga but practices every day...  YES I WILL DRAW A FULL PAGE OF THIS MANGA EVERYDAY ON TOP OF MY 1 YEAR CHALLENGE...  time for my life to get a little more busy...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on January 18, 2015, 04:11:42 AM
Try to give yourself a more realistic goal, browser.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 03:37:18 AM
Question: What do you think a sustainable Utopia would be? How would you write one in your story? I'm talking any sort of utopia, whether it's sustained by magic or science or whatever in between. Any good examples of ones that don't exactly go to crap?

I'm leaning towards one enforced by an artificial intelligence ala Person of Interest
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 20, 2015, 07:20:04 AM
^love that show!!

Are you talking about a full on Utopia or a Dystopia?

I can think of loads of examples for the latter - The Giver which is to do with genetics and socialism, Equillibrium which has brainwashing and the eradication of art and literature that cause impulsive emotions, V for Vendetta has enforced order...

Hard to find examples of a true Utopia because it's practically impossible for one to exist... It requires humans to be compliant, open, truthful, rational etc... All of which humans are not...

Also depends on what kind of Utopia you want to see... Some people imagine Utopia as that view from kings rock in the lion king and everything returning to a more natural state where humans and nature live in harmony, while others may be content with just a city without crime.

A big basis for dystopia stories is that people don't like to hear the truth about why their lives are going well. 80% of the fact that our lives run so smoothly and can be successful is due to people behind the scenes doing less than admirable things. We are happy enough when we don't know about it but when we find out then it's tough to just face the truth that the life you were living is based on many others misdeeds and rather than feel responsible it's easier to place blame on those that have given you the good life. Just like in POI where people are completely happy that there hasn't been another big terrorist attack until they find out its because they have been spied on... To which I say herpaderp would you rather be spied on and safe or have those protecting you be in the dark and you blown to pieces... It's not a problem if you don't have anything to hide, which means it's often a problem for the rich, powerful and bored, young and misguided, and crimals...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 09:23:03 AM
Oh I meant Utopia. And obviously it's not possible to have a 100% one but as the show seems to suggest that could lead to  a Utopia even if there is a seedy underside to it. What's the closest Utopia you can find?

Oh please tell me you read The Giver book. And Fahrenheit 451. Loved those two books. Timeless. Ignored the movie for The Giver because I was afraid they'd ruin it badly.

On my way to the coffee shop today I considered a thing where humans are magically implanted with pain- empathy links. But I quickly found so many problems it was funny. The idea was that people won't kill eachother if they'll feel the same pain as whoever they're attacking. But what if someone is simply sick? Then people would end up feeling pain for no reason.

Unless it was a condition whereby if someone attacked someone they'd feel pain. But even that could be a problem. Say people find painless ways to kill people instead - Gas, poison on one end of the spectrum. And full on nuclear attack on the other end - then people at the mercy of such things would be unable to retaliate properly.

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 20, 2015, 09:47:02 AM
hm. let's see, star trek. humanity gets forged together by a series of massive terrible wars, where the survivors agree that maybe it's time to stop being dicks to each other. they remove the concept of money, and build the idea that the most noble thing a human can do is selflessly explore the cosmos. so everyone works for free essentially, but it's ok because they believe in what they do and because technology has advanced so far that their needs can be tended to without the need for money to do it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 10:06:22 AM
Seriously? I never looked into that proper, but now that I think of it I've never seen humans pitted against humans on Earth in Star Trek before...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 20, 2015, 10:34:43 AM
I think the Book of Eli looks at humanity's response to being crippled by war way better than Star Trek does... People aren't as selfless as they are shown to be in ST... there will always be someone that seeks to control the masses under the pretence that it's for the greater good.

And of course I have read The Giver! it was a year 9 English assignment... but I re-read it recently on my Kindle for personal enjoyment and deliberation :biggrin:

Check these out:
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-utopia.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_20537_6-carefully-planned-utopias-that-went-spectacularly-insane.html
http://mentalfloss.com/article/23297/4-utopian-communities-didnt-pan-out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/utopias_n_3768023.html

Basically to have a Utopia you have to find a way to avoid the chaotic side of human nature. Like in star trek you have to have a way for humans to agree to it willingly and never want to change anything or break the rules. A Utopia built on lies and misdeeds only last as long as them being kept a secret and then it becomes a dystopia, unless the inhabitants are just as pragmatic and evil...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 11:01:27 AM
Cracked always has a way with words, but that was certainly an interesting read.

Still trawling through the other links but... Doesn't it sort of seem like Utopias are super futile while Dystopias are super easy to maintain?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 20, 2015, 11:22:48 AM
Yup...

The way I see it a Utopia only works with a very very low population... Otherwise Dystopian aspects are required to maintain things after the number of people gets out of hand.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
So... A Utopia would be a series of small communities maintaining themselves. When one rots then it should be kicked out... and so on and so forth. >..>
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 20, 2015, 02:16:13 PM
An overwhelming amount of Robots can be used to maintain utopias. They have no ideals or desires.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 02:44:54 PM
Give them artificial intelligences... And feelings, and then the utopia ceases to exist
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: hots_towel on February 20, 2015, 07:20:42 PM
if i may. A Utopia could only work if it's entire populace were, for lack of a better term, brainwashed.

everyone would have to have the same moral compass and philosophy of life. Kind of like what NO1SEY said with "avoiding the chaotic side" of human nature, but to a a more microscopic degree.

even if everyone were for the most part brainwashed, then you still have those few rebels that are thinking outside the box when they arent supposed to. How these nonconformists are dealt with is what really makes a believable Utopia hard to pull off. Unless of course, it were a fake one, or fronted one similar to the Earth kingdom in the original Airbender series.

I believe it was an old english teacher i once had who said "a REAL utopia isnt worth writing about because GUESS WHAT?! its a Utopia! there's no conflict or anything interesting worth writing about."
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 20, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
It's true! How boring would a place that is perfect be to read about!? Nothing exciting would ever happen!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2015, 02:01:12 AM
Reading about mayhap, I would certainly enjoy living in one for a while. If I was an immortal I'd visit a Utopia to wind down and then head out into the world if I ever feel particularly bored for whatever reason .
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 21, 2015, 07:47:53 AM
sounds like a retirement home...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
Hahahaha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 21, 2015, 03:11:58 PM
Personally. I wouldn't want to live in a utopia anyway, chaos makes life less boring.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2015, 03:48:53 PM
Personally, I see no entertainment in strife and would love a utopia.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 21, 2015, 04:10:57 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I'd love to live in a Utopia... so long as there is Music, Video Games and Cocktails  :tongue: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 21, 2015, 07:34:17 PM
Personally, I see no entertainment in strife and would love a utopia.
If you have everything you need, it is the ideal world. But there's not point in continuing to exist within a utopia... so my mind tells me, because it is most likely so very different than the world in which I currently reside...

-voice is echoing up through the bottomless pit, commonly referred to as the depths of despair.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: hots_towel on February 22, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
here's an issue i've been dealing with lately.

i recently came up with some ideas for a new sci-fi story that i would like to pen. most of the ideas are just background information. lore, character concepts, a few scenes here and there, but no overarching grand plot points yet.

here's the problem. the main characters are soldiers. an older brother and a younger one. with no overarching plot points, and characters who are just soldiers, how do you make it interesting? yes, war has plenty of exiting elements that are worth the read, but for the most part, its all just action. the average person probably isnt going to be too enthralled with another show or movie of just battles and military life in between.

gears of war, halo, mass effect, they all follow stories of characters who are soldiers, but there's an overarching story to be told with them thats appealing enough to non-military enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 22, 2015, 11:00:28 PM
Well aside from an overarching plot which tells the character's roles in an even bigger story, there are a couple of things you can do...

Focus on a character's internal story - what drives them, any reservations they have about being a soldier, or even that they aren't cut out for being a soldier or are trying to do something else... becoming a soldier to impress a girl seems to be a recurring theme in most stories...

Or focus on more than just the soldiers' lives. The TV show "The Unit" is as much about the home lives of the army wives as it is about the soldiers off on their spec-ops missions. The overarching story doesn't have to be with what the soldiers are doing, it can be something else entirely and the soldiers are there just making sure that it all can happen.

Really what is most appealing to a lot of consumers of fictional media at the moment is the drama between characters more than the situations they are in - consider The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. Getting readers really emotional about characters seems to be having more success than getting them invested in the story. I don't like this notion though... Still, something to take from it would be that people like to see well developed drama and interactions between characters, so definitely something to consider for your story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 22, 2015, 11:07:36 PM
Sounds like you just need a good brainstorming session to drum up a plot. write out your important lore bits, characters, locations, etc onto notecards or cut up pieces of paper, also throw into the mix some other things like character types or possible scenes, then try arranging them in different ways. mix and match and see what different groupings incite within your mind. This is a method architects use to design buildings. they create paper "rooms" and move them around to build layouts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2015, 11:29:05 PM
Character interaction indeed does make a lot of the meat of the story. Funny thing is  though I'm reading this sci-fi... Absolution Gap by Alastair Reynolds, and it reminds me of why I loved science fiction in the first place. The characters sort of serve as functionaries and take a background to the epic scope of the scientific world they're exploring. It's almost always uncomfortable for me to read sci fi these days but I'm glad that I got the excitement back.

Randomly learnt about brane theory >..<
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2015, 05:47:23 PM
Been pretty sidetracked by reading novels and doing other stuff, but I hope to soon binge read some works made here and share mein thoughts.

Anyways writers, any thoughts on how the section is doing? Are you feeling well read and/or is there not enough feedback? Are you interested in some form of work shop or the other? How goes your anthology entry if you're participating? What stories are on your mind?

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 25, 2015, 07:10:26 PM
Well I'm sure I'd get feedback if I posted something once in a while...

I'm trying not to just post loads of random ideas though and am focussing on rewriting Public Enemy No.2 at the moment. Have been doing more research on bank heists and the great depression of the 30's and have redone about half of chapter 1 so far.

I'm trying hard not to change the tone too much since people seemed to really like that how it was... but we'll have to see because the character I have in mind for Dillinger is not quite as innocent, sweet and loveable as he used to be...

But yeah, reason I have been quiet on the writing front is because I'm busy with uni and really trying to focus on one story at a time... although I may do another short novel chapter for The Grand Unification also when I have time...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
When do holidays kick in for you?

Haha that sounds like some fun research. Got a lot of random ideas too but I always make sure to keep a rein on that. Got so many unfinished project s it's ridiculous. At the very least I need to remember where I left off with those.

Public Enemy is going strong though huh. Nice.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 25, 2015, 07:56:55 PM
No holidays until the beginning of April :(

Yeah I might put up some of the new ideas on my ideas thread, but I am going to make sure I stay focused.

Are you writing anything atm???
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2015, 08:08:46 PM
I am not actually. It's been a season of reading and drawing for me, but I hope to return to writing soonish. I'm playing with the idea of space-faring wizards and something else I keep on forgetting though.

April huh. Well hang in there haha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 25, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
SPACE WIZARDS!?!?!? Sign me up! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2015, 09:59:28 PM
Haha. Yeah I thought it'd be fun to have FTL travel and stasis chambers explained by simple magic. These magicians will have tehe limitation of celestial bodies though. Certain mages can only tune into certain astronomical bodies and the like. I see plenty of fun things to explore on that front.

Of course, Mahouka Kokou no Rattousei will whoop my ass though when it comes to magic science
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 25, 2015, 11:01:39 PM
All hail the Chronomancer and his Chrono sleep. All hail! -presses hand against heart in solemn salutation-
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 25, 2015, 11:41:19 PM
I've been thinking about ideas using it the other way around... where science is used to create magic essentially, so it's cool to see the other side of the coin :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 25, 2015, 11:43:34 PM
Magic used to create science is the best kind of magic.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 25, 2015, 11:49:55 PM
There's a ton you could do with it, and that way the magic becomes a very integrated part of the universe, which is much more interesting than restricting it to a few individuals.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 26, 2015, 04:05:43 AM
Haha true that.

By the way what do you think of this definition of magic that I made up?

'Magic is any process or phenomena that effortlessly contradicts any law of thermodynamics'

Like it can create energy from nowhere, reverse entropy e.t.c  ?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Synctual on February 26, 2015, 04:32:26 AM
Haha true that.

By the way what do you think of this definition of magic that I made up?

'Magic is any process or phenomena that effortlessly contradicts any law of thermodynamics'

Like it can create energy from nowhere, reverse entropy e.t.c  ?

Had me thinking it was the real definition of magic for a sec.  It's very good. A+, I congratulate you on your gradutian from Hogwarts. Haha, but seriously its a great definition. Makes since and is complex yet simple at the same time. I like it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 26, 2015, 04:43:30 AM
Haha thanks. But I'd rather have a lightning shaped scar and get all the ladies!

Oy dude you've got to tell me what anime that's from? Your signature?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Synctual on February 26, 2015, 05:01:22 AM
Oh that thing, it's from Sasami-San at Ganabaranai. It's a romantic/fantasy comedy. It's pretty funny so I'd recommend it.  :thumbsup: The manga is good too, although I only read a few chapters then switched over to the anime.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 27, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
I see, i'll check it out. Looks fun haha.


I was also thinking about how Werewolves would do if they went into space. Would they be cured? Or subject to an even wider range of affects when they reach different planets? That'd be so fun to check out. Too bad I'm a bit lazy on the writing side of things. I'll see if I can do something tonight.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 27, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
That would depend on the exact nature of the lycanthropy I guess. Is it the moon's direct light that does it? Or is there some need for it to be filtered through the atmosphere first?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 27, 2015, 05:34:08 PM
I suspect it needs to be filtered through the atmosphere for the concept of 'full moon' to apply in the first place. I think magic is sort of like a wackily superspecific language. It's like the programming of existence. It's why breaking a mirror will give you 7 years of bad luck and spilling salt will screw you over too. So according to the description of lycanthropy a 'full moon' is what will be a problem. That means you have to be on a planet for the conditions to apply.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on February 27, 2015, 05:48:26 PM
I am planning on doing a vampire/werewolf comic.  ::)

What if the day they transform was the night of a full moon only by coincidence?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 27, 2015, 06:14:54 PM
What do you mean? Like they only transform after an amount of hours and not when the full moon rises?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 27, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
I am planning on doing a vampire/werewolf comic.  ::)

What if the day they transform was the night of a full moon only by coincidence?
It wouldn't make sense logically, since werewolves are born on different days and whatnot. It would be somewhat comedic if you ignore any and all pretense of logic though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 28, 2015, 07:32:49 AM
Well Noblesse doesn't use full moons or anything… and that is definitely not for comedy… Great Manhwa

As long as the werewolves you create make sense in your universe and go by some sort of logic then you don't have to worry about subscribing to tradition or historic interpretations.

…Just… don't make Twilight 2.0...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on February 28, 2015, 10:09:06 AM
They're not werewolves, they're shapeshifters... it's just a coincidence that their alpha shapeshifted into a wolf... but don't ask me how I know that - I didn't read the whole twilight saga... and I didn't enjoy it before it got big.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 28, 2015, 11:16:47 AM
I… have no words…
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on February 28, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
Quote
As long as the werewolves you create make sense in your universe and go by some sort of logic then you don't have to worry about subscribing to tradition or historic interpretations.
I was just throwing that idea out there, my werewolves are actually inspired by Khajiit lore.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 28, 2015, 04:05:08 PM
Khajit lore?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on February 28, 2015, 06:10:42 PM
Elder Scrolls ftw!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on February 28, 2015, 06:16:05 PM
That  game eludes me
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on February 28, 2015, 08:26:02 PM
The type of Khajiit you see in the game is called Suthay-raht, however there are many more variants ranging from true cats to a Bosmer like form. The form they take depends on what the moons where like on the day they were born.

This is how the half werewolves in my story will be, while the full blood werewolves will gradually change from "human" (new moon) > hairy "human" (cresent moon) > bipedal "wolf" (gibbous moon) > "wolf" (full moon).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on February 28, 2015, 10:29:26 PM
oh elder scrolls lore, I love thee.


In the elder scroll verse there is a race called the Redguards (basically they're all just black dudes). But the thing about redguards is that their society has sworn off magic. Why you ask? Well you see the redguards are expert swordsmen, the best in the world, and a long long long time ago they perfected the art of SWORD MAGIC.

What exactly is sword magic you ask? No one *censored*ing knows! Because sword magic was so powerful and so badass, that it's said that a single swordsman DESTROYED THE ENTIRE REDGUARD CONTINENT WITH A SINGLE BLOW.

Of course, everyone decided to never mention that sh*t again, and just shun magic for the rest of time less they destroy another continent.

That is why redguards live in the god damn desert that nobody else wanted.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 01, 2015, 03:11:21 AM
Okay that's pretty awesome
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: hots_towel on March 03, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
oh elder scrolls lore, I love thee.


In the elder scroll verse there is a race called the Redguards (basically they're all just black dudes). But the thing about redguards is that their society has sworn off magic. Why you ask? Well you see the redguards are expert swordsmen, the best in the world, and a long long long time ago they perfected the art of SWORD MAGIC.

What exactly is sword magic you ask? No one *censored*ing knows! Because sword magic was so powerful and so badass, that it's said that a single swordsman DESTROYED THE ENTIRE REDGUARD CONTINENT WITH A SINGLE BLOW.

Of course, everyone decided to never mention that sh*t again, and just shun magic for the rest of time less they destroy another continent.

That is why redguards live in the god damn desert that nobody else wanted.
i dont care much for elder scrolls but lore crafting/world building are considerably my favorite parts of a new project. or even older ones.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on March 03, 2015, 10:25:04 PM
Elder Scrolls is the future of gaming... for me at least... console version was delayed at least a year and I don't have the luxury of paying that massive premium that is getting dropped on the console version... so new news says.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 04, 2015, 05:26:50 PM
Are the maps still gigantic for Elder Scroll games?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on March 04, 2015, 05:35:43 PM
Well... I'm glad they have quick travel...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 04, 2015, 08:45:41 PM
still pretty darn big. not like daggerfall big (or which every one had like 500 square kilometers of space) but still  big enough to get lost in.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on March 04, 2015, 11:02:47 PM
ESO will be my wife, real human ladies will be my concubines.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on March 05, 2015, 03:51:00 AM
When people visualise their characters, do you always have them look appealing to you? (Like, you prefer men to go clean shaven, or women to avoid top buns) I do this a lot, I just can't work with a character who has an annoying visual aspect.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 05, 2015, 05:41:46 AM
It's like your a chameleon Ginger. Didn't recognize you for a moment there.

Yes I almost always do this and it's a problem especially on the art side of the things. I can't write characters that'd generally not be appealing to the public to look like.

But the thing is that's how it is everywhere actually. On a professional level it's a must that heroes must be appealing to their audience. It feels cheap sometimes but that's just the way it is

There was a funny incident though where I had an art collaboration with someone on my story here on the forum, and he down right refused the description of one of the bad guys because he didn't like drawing ugly characters. That was funny
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on March 05, 2015, 08:15:24 AM
Looks like Ginger got into Sons of Anarchy...

When I visualise characters I try my hardest to envisage a look that fits their character/personality. Of course it will always be influenced by my own expectations and bias but I don't tend to just try to make all of my characters look like the coolest thing in my head.

It's important to have a visually dynamic cast to add depth.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 05, 2015, 10:10:53 AM
Yeah I'm always struggling about being impartial. I just get so irked by certain characters.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on March 05, 2015, 10:11:12 AM
a character should look in a way befitting the character. It's like the argument about writing a 'bad' character that people hate for the reasons. it doesn't make the author a bad person, it makes a character they wrote bad. It's entirely different.

So focus less on yourself, and more on your characters. Let them become just as real as you, then it won't matter what you think anymore.


(just don't let them become too real, less they materialize themselves and attempt to murder you in your sleep)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on March 05, 2015, 10:16:02 AM
When people visualise their characters, do you always have them look appealing to you? (Like, you prefer men to go clean shaven, or women to avoid top buns) I do this a lot, I just can't work with a character who has an annoying visual aspect.
Only the characters people are supposed to hate are ugly as hell... either that or they're terrifyingly awesome.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on March 05, 2015, 10:20:49 AM
a character should look in a way befitting the character. It's like the argument about writing a 'bad' character that people hate for the reasons. it doesn't make the author a bad person, it makes a character they wrote bad. It's entirely different.

This. True

The murder thing though hahahaha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on March 05, 2015, 12:44:20 PM
(Yes, the theme song is my ringtone now  :tongue: I love that part of American culture)

Ahh, I thought I was the only one. I just try too hard to give everyone beards and not be stupid, but sometimes they have to make a dumb move. Hopefully no murders from that...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 04, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
Random Observation # 1

Watching Person of Interest and then House of Cards, I find myself really enjoying these shows and still admitting that I have no idea what some things mean or are. When it comes to the political issues happening in House of Cards, I only know the word 'Senate' or 'Senator' and a few other keyphrases, but honestly have no idea about the finer intricacies. Same goes for Suits, but I still enjoy these shows. Because I trust that there is a logic to these systems that are so alien to me, and they don't get in the way of the narrative.

It makes me think it's a great rule of thumb for writing a good story. Because the same thing happens to me when I read fantasy epics like LOTR or GOT. There are just so many things I can't quite understand, but the characters carry the plot quite well, and I don't feel left out of the story.

So methinks no matter how outlandish your system is, no matter how intricate, so long as it follows a certain logic and doesn't get in the way of the narrative it's a cool thing to do. Go wild. Think up the agriculture of certain crops for your fantasy world, think of old songs of lore. Peppering your story with these doesn't completely turn of the reader just because they can't quite follow what exactly what means, so long as you can hold their attention and keep the narrative going.


That was random observation one.



Random Observation # 2

There's also a question that I have, does quitting really improve your creativity? It's happened not only on this forum but elsewhere as well, and my friend has the bad habit of doing something similar: Quitting/leaving a place in order to 'be more serious' about something.

As far as making statements go I find it a bit sad to say' I'm leaving because I'm tired of being all talk and want to become big' hurts me when people say that on this forum and other groups. And my friend just LOVES deleting all his old work, saying 'it's time to get better!' but nothing ever happens, and in fact he loses a foundation that he had at least set up earlier.

I get that getting out of your comfort zone and taking a leap can help your productivity, but I think there are better ways to do this without ending up losing something. I always like the story of a guy who was broke but decided he wanted to be a writer, so bought a laptop at great risk to his house finances. That sort of risk ensured he'd use the laptop to write so that it wouldn't go to waste.

My own personal methods would be when I tackle NaNoWrimo. It doesn't always work but I promise myself to start them, I publicize it so that I'm dedicated to the cause.

I shouldn't lie, quitting something to be more serious strangely seems enticing, but I don't think it ever really works, nor is it worth it.


Random Observation # 3

Sleep deprivation makes me productive . Anyways, I'm working on a one-shot comic based on this hell hole of a country I live in. Scripting everything picture by picture like what Vacant is doing with his story. It's tedious, but I feel it'll be great in the long run when drawing. Got references from here http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=7954

Warren Ellis is one of my favourite comic script writers. His team up with Ben Templesmith on Fell is something I always read and reread.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on April 06, 2015, 05:46:32 PM
Lego you should share your epiphanies more often :biggrin:

On the topic of quitting to improve... I don't think that it really improves your creativity. I think if you come back to things after a break you have some new experiences and can have a new perspective on things that can lead to really improving your work/the way you work... but that depends on you coming back with some vigour.

Sometimes some things just need to be dropped however... they can be adding to much pressure to a person's life or taking too much focus or requiring a person to meet too many expectations.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 06, 2015, 07:15:02 PM
Yeah that's fine,  but other than that it seems like a shame


Haha just get in a pensive mood sometimes
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 06, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
Funny I turn up a day after this comment, not knowing it had been posted. :D

I might get back into writing, though. Aside from working with two bands, I don't really have much else in the day.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 07, 2015, 04:25:49 AM
The Head Minister is back! How are you man
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 07, 2015, 12:15:22 PM
Pretty good. Playing a lot of music. Writing mostly consisting of poetry and scholarship essays. Haven't been watching a ton of anime (I've been watching Mushishi Zoku Shou very slowly), and haven't been reading any manga (it costs money to get them in any sort of quality I like).

I've actually tried several times since leaving to get back into writing. I found myself already wanting to rewrite only a few paragraphs in, eventually with zero motivation to finish it. So, I'm probably going to free-write and see where it takes me. I'll probably not tell anyone what I'm writing until I've got something to show for it.

So how about you? What's new?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 10, 2015, 04:08:31 AM
It's a struggle. I should've never stopped writing because of my internet woes. It's been pretty tricky getting back into it, but fortunately I found an outlet by writing a hell of a lot of poetry.

I also managed to script a one shot comic during my rut so I'm proud of that. Now I'm as always hoping to resurrect my abandoned projects so that I can sleep better at night. Way too many works in progress, too few completed works.  By the way I finished Dystopic Blades. That took years to finish but it's finally done.

Anyways right now I've joined Camp NaNo. I thought the NaNoWrimo thing only happened every november but there's an April version as well. Word count is not impressive, but it's something.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on April 10, 2015, 11:07:34 AM
To get a helpless horror, I think that the antagonist(s) need to be invincible. To be helpless is actually the polar opposite of hopeless, because when you make near invincible problems, there is hope. Take AoT or The Hunger Games(even though they aren't that graphic). Both of them manipulate the hopes of people when, in all honesty, they will die. This makes the reader pity them, knowing their inevitable situation and that makes them helpless.

As for horror, you should find inspiration for monsters in manga such as Deadman Wonderland, Elfen Lied, Berserk, and Gantz. If you're of age, that is. I think Magi and Kyokai no Kanata had some cool youkai. If you wanna go for something original, I think its better to give them something in common. And don't forget, humans make for good monsters, as well.

I hope my opinions help.

I also have a problem of my own. I think I give my characters too much depth, like if they solely believe in a religion,  I make them get so like that religion is their life. Even when it comes to bratty princes or bossy cheerleaders, I make them so that they actually justify it. Is this alright?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 10, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
It's a struggle. I should've never stopped writing because of my internet woes. It's been pretty tricky getting back into it, but fortunately I found an outlet by writing a hell of a lot of poetry.
Same actually, mostly because I'm trying to improve my lyric-writing.

By the way I finished Dystopic Blades. That took years to finish but it's finally done.
Sweet! No thanks to me I guess.  :D

Anyways right now I've joined Camp NaNo. I thought the NaNoWrimo thing only happened every november but there's an April version as well. Word count is not impressive, but it's something.
Man, a national novel writing month always springs up on me. I think, for now, I going to set my sights on something smaller, more achievable, that I can take my time with before August.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: GingerStark on April 11, 2015, 04:51:18 AM
Haven't seen many stories posted lately  :hmm: How's everyone's writing going?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on April 11, 2015, 05:03:06 AM
I just need an artist now!  :sadbye:

I feel like Zero from familiar of zero, or Hestia from Danmachi. The worst part is that I'm still an a cup  :sadbye:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on April 12, 2015, 05:06:54 PM
My writing is going horribly. I literally just set my stories down, and went off to go game and get to Prestige Grandmaster in Advanced Warfare. Approximately 75% of the way there... currently on my 8th Master Prestige.

Once that is 'done'. I will get back to:
- Zaeltorne <--- (Probably going to rename and rewrite quite a bit of it.)
- Hellbreakers <--- (Intend to rewrite)
- Dark Haven <--- (Probably gonna drop)
- INCLEMENT: Online <--- (SAO Fanfiction, going to rewrite.)
- Toraburu: Dark Prince <--- (Not too sure about this one, but it's a To Love-ru Darkness Fanfiction)
- Black and White <--- (Working title, Intended to be a manga, but will probably rewrite.)

I also want to do a story with Mecha but I'm not entirely sure if I should, since I know nothing about all that fancy warp-drive and 'mechanical engineering' stuff. Though I've always enjoyed the thought of a Mecha tearing through an entire formation of obsolete war-machines with grace and elegance that only I can imagine.

HOWEVER. If you have any question regarding any of these project, I will do my best to give you a basic summary.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on April 13, 2015, 03:11:20 AM
Good thing I only have three projects:

Abnormalities
Shizu-Shibo
Under The Midsummer Moonlight(Percy Jackson Fanfic)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on April 13, 2015, 10:31:10 AM
I reined myself back in to 1 project only... but I have no freakin time to write atm :sadbye:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 15, 2015, 07:36:08 PM
i also have absolutely no time to write. i barely get on as it is.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: KingLycus on April 20, 2015, 11:56:41 PM
I'm focusing on one project only, dedicating pretty much all of my time to it. Especially art and storyboarding. That's pretty much while I've also been absent from the forums (which I apologize for).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Synctual on April 24, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
Well, I reduced my projects to a total of 1 for now and am working on it every now and then. But there aren't enough hours in the day to actually sit and write for me. I've had my hands full with so many things. I hope to at least write one chapter or a one shot for my project sometime though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 24, 2015, 08:44:15 PM
The busyness is real haha...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on April 26, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
A life that is boring with nothing to do is far worse than a life without stress, drama, humor and all the other great things that come with being busy.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 26, 2015, 01:42:29 PM
Suffering mind numbing boredom actually. I want to be reborn as the sole mecha pilot of a special mech surrounded by a harem and yet still manage to be single
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 27, 2015, 01:14:24 AM
Is predictability even a bad thing? Honestly, I rarely care when stories are predictable. Should I? :noidea:

I generally care more when "twists" are all there is to a writer's method, especially when they aren't good at writing "twists" in the first place. Mystery and surprise are irrelevant upon second reading/viewing, unless there is some good, subtle foreshadowing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on April 27, 2015, 02:38:12 AM
i dont think predictability is a bad thing in the long run, but if we can predict everything within a single thing that happens in a chapter. Also if a story is easy to predict too soon, it becomes less interesting.

the bad part is also predicting bad qualities or something negative about a story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 27, 2015, 05:56:49 AM
Well it comes back to the troupes thing again. There is nothing new under the sun, but the potential combinations you can come up with will make a show or story sufficiently interesting to read.

Imagine in an attempt to be super unpredicteable and unique someone writes a story in mirror handwriting in a foreign language and you have to crack a puzzle to unlock every chapter. Not many people would be remotely interested in trying to read it, as unique as that'd be.

So predictible plotlines are okay so long as you avoid overdoing it and making some sucky decisions. I had hoped Urobochi would remember that in Aldnoah and Gargantia but I was alas proven wrong
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on April 27, 2015, 06:57:45 AM
With predictability I feel it's a bit of a double edged sword.

Predictable stories can still be very interesting and very entertaining if done well. Think of all of the revenge-action films you have ever watched that all tell the exact same story; I must have watched about 20 or 30 of them last year (yeah I had a lot of time on my hands...) and they all pretty much follow the exact same plot, but I never got bored of them because there is something seriously satisfying about watching a cool MC kick-ass because someone pissed them off! So writing something that will predictably 'feel good' for the consumer can often be an advantage.

Moreover, you may think that tropes are overused and make every story/character feel the same, however there is always an interesting, (maybe not new but) unique spin that can be put on them to freshen the trope up in your story. Don't like the generic archetype your character falls into but can't change who they are? Give them a passion that is completely opposite to what would be expected, or change the way that they perceive their story being told (Shout out to the Happy Hour Yandere Challenge
;) ). It can make even a predictable story/plot feel refreshing and quirky enough to be entertaining.

What you want to avoid are situations where you are detracting from the effect your story will have for the consumer. Spoon-feeding the consumer information for the sake of being clear to the point that you explain away all of your future reveals often leaves the reader with no reason to continue. Giving your main character "plot-armour" in a story that relies on the tension of imminent death means that readers aren't held in suspense and the levity of the character's situation is often lost. Moreover a story where the reader often can guess the way that the plot of the whole story arc will play out from reading a few chapters or just reading the previous arc can leave consumers banging their head against a wall just wishing that they would be wrong for once (cough cough Bleach cough cough).

It's not always easy to tell how your own story will fair in this regard... I have had countless instances where I think I'm being way smarter with my writing than I actually am pulling off... so having your story reviewed can help. Just don't get swept up in trying to cater to everyone's tastes.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 27, 2015, 01:25:58 PM
Good answers, guys. I think when predictability is a bad thing is when the story is attempting to be unpredictable, and lazy foreshadowing gives away too much, too early.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 27, 2015, 01:38:25 PM
Some audiences don't want it to be any different though sometimes. But yeah I agree with the arguments.

Your AVI... Mononoke huh. It's so appropriate that you know that show. Forgot to recommend it to you especially since you liked Musashi too. I guess it's the more action-ny version of Mononoke. 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 27, 2015, 05:21:49 PM
Yeah, very much like Mushishi's slow pace and episodic-ness, just more eerie and dark. I'm still watching it at my own very slow pace, but I've enjoyed it a lot thus far. The art in particular is stunning.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 27, 2015, 07:06:43 PM
 The art is seriously amazing. So cinematic and unique. I want to finish the series.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 27, 2015, 10:17:09 PM
Doooo iiiitttt.

On your own time, of course.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 28, 2015, 05:02:30 AM
Definitely.

Got a random story idea: Ignis

In a sort of victorian science fantasy world there are Clocktower magicians who are the elite in the country. An apprentice of elemental magic starts off an unquencheable fire from his lab that begins to engulf the entire city and spreading out across the entire land. People try to survive this.

Instead of a zombie apocalypse or some sort of nuclear explosion I wanted something different and weird.

Inspired by Elsa from Frozen who put her whole country in winter just like that from out of control powers, so I thought 'why not fire'?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 28, 2015, 12:26:46 PM
Sounds a bit like the first chapter of Lunacy.  ;)

You'd definitely need to figure out how something like that wouldn't kill everyone. Sounds interesting though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 28, 2015, 12:29:57 PM
Oh actually it kills almost everyone and they're either escaping or trying to fix it.

Eh? Lunacy how? There's not even a contest or anything.

As for Clocktower magicians I got the term from the wizard assosciation names in the Fate series and Black Haze
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 28, 2015, 12:32:57 PM
I was just thinking about the explosion in Lunacy that starts from the clocktower. Just reminded me of that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 28, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
Ah, right.

You think you'd be up for a Hot Seat session by the way
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 28, 2015, 02:37:46 PM
I'm working on lyrics this week, but I'd be up for it after I'm done with them. My story ideas are starting to solidify and I'll need to get some practice putting ideas on a page.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 28, 2015, 03:04:09 PM
I was actually aiming for a lukewarm one as compared to earlier. Say any word count above 300, and they can even only be development notes rather than a narrated story.

We could go for writing sprints, but my idea was a cliche a day. From a zombie apocalypse story to a mecha story. It's been done in one of the sessions before and that was pretty fun.

Unless you have other ideas. In any case I need to get into the writing regimen again. 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 28, 2015, 03:05:29 PM
^That would be cool. I think I could do that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on April 28, 2015, 03:11:29 PM
Cool. I'll set the start date for Thursday then. I'll post in the topic
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on April 28, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
Sounds good.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 02, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
Writers, what are your latest thoughts on the reviewing situation on MR? Are your stories getting reviewed? Are you reviewing other stories? Are there any suggestions on how to improve the general situation? Just asking in general, but we should definitely improve things on the front.

I for one think that review swaps are a good idea on how to do things. It makes what should be a normal course of action a transaction but still, it's true: If you want reviews you should also be willing to read other works.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 02, 2015, 06:08:59 PM
Even though I don't post much on here I think the review swaps was a good idea. It kinda makes building a connection with other writers easier. Although, I couldn't do it myself since I wouldn't feel comfortable requesting someone to read my stuff.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 02, 2015, 07:51:27 PM
Reviewing is really tedious for me because I generally have a lot of points to make. There's also answering replies. It sucks up a lot of time. I don't review too much nowadays for that reason.

I haven't posted stories in quite a while, either, so I don't really expect anyone to review anything.

The review swap sounds like a good idea. My two cents (probably not worth that much even).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 02, 2015, 08:10:41 PM
I try to review when I have time, and the review swaps is a great platform to get people incentivised with the promise of a review in return.

But it's still very slow, a lot of people will read and maybe leave a comment saying whether or not they like it, but actual reviews are few and far between.

Moreover I'm only reviewing stories that writers post links to on the Review Swaps thread, which is currently a grand total of 3 links including mine... despite lots more people "signing up".

I am happy to review stories outside of the review swaps though, I think it's great to think critically about things and just be able to offer suggestions and be constructive, and I don't need that to be reciprocated in order to want to do that.

However I have stopped reviewing for just "Story Ideas" and bare-bones threads like that because it's hard to offer constructive advice and there is no knowing how the actual story will turn out.

The flip side is where a story is written and is getting on past 12 or so chapters and I just don't have time to sit down and focus on reviewing it... I think that's more my fault though, have to work out how to review for larger numbers of chapters... probably by keeping things more general.

Anyways all in all, the actual useful side to reviewing on MR is fairly slow and could definitely use a few more people getting involved. Just because it's called a review doesn't mean it has to be long or in-depth, but if you have some constructive suggestions to make about the stories that you read on the site then make sure you give them. And if you find yourself waiting around on the site refreshing the active members list to see if anyone's doing anything interesting or perhaps to spot the person looking at one of your threads, try looking through the first few pages in the "Develop your story" section and try to find some stories to give some feedback on.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on May 02, 2015, 10:52:31 PM
generally, a review is just any form of impression of the story/chapter. a critique is determining what was good/bad. its harder to get critique than a review (which could literally be just an observation).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on May 02, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
Since I've joined MR, I think the reviewing situation has been more or less stagnant with some fluctuations up and down in terms of reviewing activity. The Review Swaps idea didn't boost activity as much as I had hoped but that might be because the guy who started the dang idea hasn't really been setting a good example. So starting either tonight or tomorrow, I plan to review at least one chapter/excerpt/idea/etc. per day on the site. Hopefully others will start doing the same and the overall reviewing situation will improve :biggrin:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on May 02, 2015, 11:35:29 PM
the idea is good, but some series get mroe attention than others. one person may get more swaps just by the person more than the need for reviews.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on May 02, 2015, 11:47:11 PM
That's true. People will tend to review the stories they like but I'm hoping with more members there will be so many varied interests that everyone involved will be getting a decent number of reviews.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 03, 2015, 07:37:31 AM
I don't think you really need to lead by example in this instance GU... you brought the idea to the table, more people just have to actively hop on board :biggrin:

@Lorenx - Would you prefer Critique of your stories over Reviews? Is there a time when one becomes more useful over the other?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on May 04, 2015, 11:38:31 AM
This discussion makes me very guilty  :blush: I don't even read the MangaRaider stories.

However, I will start reading them nowadays since I'm going to post my own. I'm not sure which story I should focus on first. Shizu-Shibo, Devil or Lost Forest  :hmm:

Well, whatever happens, I'll just blame Lego for it  :tongue:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 04, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
Eeeeh!? Don't give Echo any more reason to be suspicious of me!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 04, 2015, 11:55:42 AM
I feel it's quite a big part of the community, regardless of whether you comment on stories or not, it can tell you a lot about what people want to achieve and what they are like. Especially if you want to write stories on the site then it's good to show a bit of give as well as take. Shouldn't feel guilty though.

But yeah Lego it's all your fault!



P.s. Nice pic Akane! Reborn! Ftw!!!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 04, 2015, 12:06:09 PM
When is it not his fault? Ugh.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 04, 2015, 12:18:31 PM
H-head Minister of Mathematics and Ethical Science-san? You too? T-T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 04, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Of course I am joking Vice Virtue Minister.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 04, 2015, 05:29:06 PM
Man... I guess as a lowly bartender I'm lucky that I haven't been executed yet...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 04, 2015, 05:51:41 PM
Are you kidding me? Bartenders have high life expectancy. Unless said bar is full of gunfights...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 04, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
Erm... how gun-toting is our membership???
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on May 04, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
Outrageously gun-toting.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 05, 2015, 02:19:27 PM
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Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 05, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
I wanna write a canon story centred around Happy Hour in the MR pub so badly!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2015, 06:54:09 AM
Doooo eeet . It'll be fun
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 06, 2015, 07:23:57 AM
We'll see, might need some help! ;)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 08, 2015, 11:16:52 AM
So I was thinking of submitting more stuff to places looking for that sort of thing. There's this writers group on DA that I subscribe to but ignore in general. Anyways check out the offers here

http://www.deviantart.com/journal/May-tWR-Prompt-Alien-Influence-530900070

and

http://vigilo.deviantart.com/journal/Publishing-Opportunity-19-and-20-529155433


I think I just have so many WIPs and projects that just sit in my computer and it's gone on for a bit too long. Anyways I better start my pile of rejection notices as any good author has haha... T-T
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 10, 2015, 03:56:06 PM
So has anybody had a whacky story idea and tried making it work? Like for example, a story about a group of warriors searching for the long lost pancake of power, an MC's journey to transform into a butterfly, etc, etc.

If so, has it helped you in any way? Do you think there would be any benefit from creating stories like these?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 10, 2015, 04:08:35 PM
I've done one of those before. A random story about the happiest person in the world vs the angriest. And another where a character discovers he's in a horror story and decides to flee it.

They're basically, fun to do and you're easily motivated to write for them. The thing is the chaos can go too far and become annoying for the reader, and if it's not funny then that sucks. I mean, I have to write a ridiculous story as prompted by the Happy Hour and have no idea how that's supposed to work out

You ever read something by Terry Pratchet by the way before? His stories are hilarious but still, he built a lot of lore for his stories and didn't use the silliness/wackiness as an excuse to slack off the writing
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Crackhead Johny on May 10, 2015, 04:21:22 PM
So has anybody had a whacky story idea and tried making it work? Like for example, a story about a group of warriors searching for the long lost pancake of power, an MC's journey to transform into a butterfly, etc, etc.

If so, has it helped you in any way? Do you think there would be any benefit from creating stories like these?

The pancake so far has been covered in a classic Machima called Illegal Danish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y25XCwOBSUQ

The butterfly thing is commonly used as a transformation idea (figuratively usually)... though if you put a butterfly tattoo on one of your characters thinking it is deep, you need to be punched. 
As for turning into bugs The Metamorphosis-Franz Kafka is one of the most famous pieces. My fav in the "man turns into bug" genre, is the Venture Brothers ep where Dr Venture turns into a caterpillar and begins to make his cocoon.

For Just gonzo you can look at Excel Saga. I heartily recommend it.

Currently I'm working on a parody that might be considered "whacky" if it was not composed almost entirely of shock humor.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 10, 2015, 04:28:04 PM
I had a feeling those ideas were used already...

Franz Kafka though man, that dude is a nut. His stories are good though. Never finished the metamorphosis. Gonna have to one day.

Never heard of Terry Pratchet but He's sounds interesting though. Gonna look him up pronto.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 10, 2015, 04:39:41 PM
I still need to read the Kafka thing too
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on May 10, 2015, 07:12:22 PM
Creating a new RP website. Need lore-writers, moderators, and members. Spaceship designers would be a plus, but are not essential... though they'd be nice to have.

Think Mass Effect except text-based and more open and an original universe.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on May 12, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Should I make a topic in which I should post my projects?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 12, 2015, 11:10:20 AM
If you want to go ahead, you put those in Develop Your Story
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on May 13, 2015, 12:19:12 AM
But I can't decide......
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 20, 2015, 08:27:01 PM
I managed to find time to write stuff!!! Finally!

I've been thinking of a plot for a one-shot or novel type thing ever since the Character Tourny Happy Hour Episode, because I realised that I'm in desperate need of a story with an OP character in my repertoire :P  And I finally managed to get something written down.

Managed to include a couple of ideas from stories I haven't been able to write also, which is great because it means I can chill out about never being able to include these concepts in my writing now.

Felt very therapeutic too in the midst of all this revision.

I do have a question though... and it's quite general... when writing a one shot, are there any pointers to really keep in mind, especially structure and length-wise? I've only ever read 1 in my life and to me it just seemed like a story that was missing the beginning and managed to quickly find ways to catch the reader up before coming to a conclusion. Need to know to basically decide how I pace and write this...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 20, 2015, 10:14:21 PM
The easiest trap (for me, at least) to fall into when writing a one shot is to let things get too complex. The story gets longer and longer, until you're having to cut things out, ending up with a story that's more fast-paced than it should be.

Right now I'm just writing short stories to provide a scalable format for me to experiment with. My primary rule is this: Keep It Stupid Simple. If there must be multiple characters, two or three major characters at most. If there must be a hero or villain, they are individuals and not governments or organizations. If there must be a mythology, nothing that requires to much explanation. If I must provide more characters or more setting development or something than these rules allow, the other parts have to suffer for it. Make sure everything is economical and you're not taking on something bigger than the format can handle. You can expand it when you want to make something longer, but, in this format, keep it simple. That said, I'm just doing it because it's easier to experiment with other elements that way. I don't have a cap on length.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on May 20, 2015, 11:44:31 PM
Don't worry NO1SEY, the only difference between a one-shot and a story is that a one shot has only...one-chapter...But really, it's just like changing from novel form to script form.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on May 21, 2015, 02:40:12 AM
The easiest trap (for me, at least) to fall into when writing a one shot is to let things get too complex. The story gets longer and longer, until you're having to cut things out, ending up with a story that's more fast-paced than it should be.

100% agree with this. This is actually the biggest problem our one-shot team has faced in terms of writing one-shot stories. What usually happens is you start out with a basic idea you think is very simple and short but when you flesh it out you realize how long and complex it has become and then you have to trim it down. So like Paipis said I think it's best to think about how to make your story as simple and concise yet effective as possible in the beginning itself. That way even if you find yourself with a somewhat underdeveloped story, then you can just build upon it, which I think is easier than trimming a story down.

Looking forward to your new story No1sey. What's it about?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 21, 2015, 06:34:56 AM
Thanks for the responses you lot! :)

Hmmm maybe one-shot isn't the right format then... I remember the one shot I read being about 60-something pages long, which I feel may be enough, but it may not be... I dunno, I think I'll just write the story and see how long it is and then decide how to do things...

The story is about someone who finds Pandora's Box and through touching it he partially opens it. A mysterious man/being is tethered to him through the arm that touched the box and then the box disappears. He is told that he must fight and absorb the powers of 4 other beings that have been released and then find the box, which is also releasing monstrous creatures into the world in it's unstable state, in order to save the world from destruction. However, the truth of the situation is not what it appears to be on the surface.

I want to focus on telling the backstories of the 4 beings as part of the story also.

My thought is that I could write a chapter for each being, however I think that they'd be too short. As I said, just gonna write it and see. It's giving me the platform to include several elements I've been wanting to write into stories and should provide me with a suitably powerful character for the next of Whitecrow's multi-character gatherings!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on May 21, 2015, 07:00:03 AM
I wanna write that. I can write everything!! :santa:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 21, 2015, 07:57:30 AM
Sorry... this one is mine! muahahahahaha!

I have a couple of ideas that I probably wont get around to writing though, as well as a couple I would like to collab later this year, so if you are pressed for ideas let me know :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 21, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
Well at least your back on that writing groove man! I've recently gotten out of a slump myself so I know that feeling of satisfaction you get when you do.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 21, 2015, 02:41:13 PM
It's not so much of a slump as it is me stopping myself from writing... I'm meant to be revising...

It is a really relieving feeling though to get stuff written down and out of my head. I'm hoping it will help me focus on my work a bit more now too.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on May 22, 2015, 05:38:27 PM
What do you guys think about giving characters middle names?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on May 22, 2015, 06:15:58 PM
Same thing I think about giving names....But really, in japanese entertainment I dont think they have middle names. I guess you should give names naturally and do whatever comes to you.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 22, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Well middle names are a cultural and personal preference of the parents. So if it fits then go for it!

Don't go overboard with it though... giving every character a middle name will make things read oddly and sound weird.

On top of that, a thing to keep in mind is that names don't always mean things, especially names created in newer languages. Don't try to shove meaning where there doesn't need to be any.

Lastly, most of the time you'll be wanting to increase the familiarity of the reader with the characters. Not only is it very uncommon and slightly strange to introduce characters with their middle names included, especially when writing a novel where you have to integrate name dropping into conversation, but you'll be trying to quickly get to a point where most characters are on a first name or surname basis. So middle names become redundant fairly quickly. However they can add a nice bit of flavour to some characters regardless of the amount of use you get out of it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on May 22, 2015, 06:39:06 PM
I'd probably never have the characters have their middle names spoken, but I was thinking about doing info pages to be released as "extras" in the volumes. So if I did some info pages on the characters the middle names would show up there.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on May 22, 2015, 09:06:07 PM
I like this new story I'm writing. It has mechas in it... and I was trying to decide on the power source or generator for them. I just decided to say 'power-cells with auto-loaders'. As in a storage rack of power cells in the back compartment of the Mecha that pops out depleted power cells  and reloads whenever the pilot is like: "H'okay, low on Energy." and presses a button.

Structural weakpoint, but that makes things interesting.

Also trying to decide how I should introduce the main characters.

Also planning two different books that tell the story of either side's rise of a hero. So you can buy and read both of them to know the 'full story' of the two... but that probably won't work out... though I'm actually taking time to plan this stuff out for once... I usually just wing it and say 'let's go'.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on May 22, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Introduce the characters at the point where their introduction would be the clearest. As in, when they or someone else would give them a full introduction. Or bring them in before then and have the audience wondering. Make sure that not too much important, cryptic stuff goes on with them before then, as the audience naturally forgets what happens before that character is introduced, unless its very easy to grasp (as in "he's trying to kill the hero" or some such).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on May 22, 2015, 10:59:06 PM
I'll post the prologues up sometime in the near future.

WHAT I'M Really trying to decide is whether or not to make them male or female... or both female. Or one female and one male.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 24, 2015, 06:02:52 PM
Just give them whatever gender you want. You start dissecting things on that level you'll see a grand white blank page.

On writing one shots I know the feeling when you want to write something simple and something easy to get into. But then you feel maybe a oneshot is not long enough. Well recently I teamed up with swearzy and Frono to write something random. It was actually really fun to write and we decided to make it a two part short story, so that feels pretty flexible.

Also recent events have taught me a protip: Carry writing book around lest technology leaves you stranded without anything to watch.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 24, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
Did your computer die Lego???


I don't think it'll be a one-shot anymore... I've planned out the general story plot and written a few important parts, which i'm going to call "plot-relevant character backstories"... And it's looking pretty long. I also don't know how I am going to format it but I'm leaning towards a more novel style of writing I think...


Yeah I think it's much better to just go with the gender you think fits best for the story and you feel most comfortable writing for. Consider what dynamic you feel like you can pull off the best also.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 24, 2015, 07:03:15 PM
If you call dying traveling. You do remember what I mentioned on the Happy Hour right? Now I'm crying from being ignored.

Great that the story has developed more than you intended though. That's always great.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 24, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
Oh yeah... sorry... forgot about that...

It's definitely developed past what I originally thought it would be... Realised I have to have an actual overlying plot to house all of the concepts! I'm trying to make sure that the MCs motivations are in line with the plot though, which is causing me to have to make tweaks... A name for the MC would be nice too.

Man all this to have a super-powered character for the next character tournament style project... :sure:

Worth it though, happy with how it's turned out so far and with all of the ideas + concepts I've managed to include, not to mention my character should be robust enough not to get his back broken ;)

Huehuehuehue
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 24, 2015, 07:35:05 PM
Low blow bro, low blow.

I think I want to get in on this ulterior motive as well. After reading Onepunch Man I feel like getting in on that. But I must first finish a certain story with a pink-haired pony tailed gal...

Fortunately already wrote up the third chapter so I'll be posting that soon.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 24, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
Haha you dug yourself a hole by volunteering to write that :P

Hope you are having fun with it though :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 24, 2015, 07:42:11 PM
Most fun I've had in ages. Totally wrong though! I only suggested pink hair for goodness sake!!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 24, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
:devil:

Fairy in the woods was reasonable... it was Vacant and his freakin alcoholic bear parents!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on May 25, 2015, 01:04:53 AM
I've decided that they'll both be female and that they'll have no love interests... because yeah.

They'll just have people interested in them, because they're both going to be really... interesting. Same with the supporting characters.

That's all I'll say before I disappoint anyone after they read how 'amazing' my first chapters will be. Even those two pessimists I know will be at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 25, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
Pessimism? You mean cautious party poopers? (By the way I am one of these)

Trying to read stories on MR again. Not knowing where to start and being generally lazy. I shall improve
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on May 27, 2015, 09:31:39 PM
Planned out the first few chapters. 'bout five total. 2 prologues, 2 chapter ones, and 1 chapter two. Still working on chapter two though... hmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coach Fro on May 28, 2015, 01:28:51 AM
One day I'mma write a story with like 30 prologue chapters.

Back story game too strong lmao!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on May 28, 2015, 04:51:43 AM
The writers equivalent of "When will the bass drop" :tongue:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on May 28, 2015, 05:02:02 AM
That sounds amazingly horrible hahahaha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: WolfManJim on June 11, 2015, 02:25:57 PM
I hope I'm doing this right because I'm trying to reply to a specific section on this forum.

You see, this is exactly what I've been going through. I just started here because I recently came up with a story that I think will get some attention from someone, but I'm already getting cold feet about presenting it 'because plagiarism'. I don't want to sound like an overly cautious jerk, but it's my cub (so to speak) and I want to protect it. I would love nothing more than to find an artist I can trust, who is good at their craft, easy to talk to and work with, and that I hope to start a lasting career with. Starting an author's guild sounds like a good idea, but I think for some it might sound a little time consuming, when an author really would rather be working on what they already have, one track mind and all that. You know how when you get an idea and you just want to jump on it?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 11, 2015, 02:31:45 PM
With things as simple as time stamps there is no plaigarism to really worry about, and if a story is good it'll be known for that.

Also, be aware that no matter what plot there is it's probably been done before. What's important is how unique the characters are

As for being super hyped about a plot I totally get it

However as far as artists are concerned unless you're willing to pay and hire one you'll have to get a reputation as a professional writer before y oucan ttract one for free.

Just my two pence
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: WolfManJim on June 11, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Thank you lego.

I pretty much have the hiring part figured out. I think I will have to end up paying someone, and I'm good with that. You have to invest eventually, right? Sometimes it's the only way if you want to get anything done.

How would I have to go about things once the first volume is all polished? Would it be a good idea to go to a manga website like MangaReader? Would they even accept it? I know there would have to be some kind of promotion at one point.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 11, 2015, 04:17:07 PM
I have no idea on that front. I don't think OELs get published there
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Kata_Misashi on June 11, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
One day I'mma write a story with like 30 prologue chapters.

Back story game too strong lmao!

Is it sad that I feel like my story is getting to get to that point. @w@;;;

The writers equivalent of "When will the bass drop" :tongue:

I can't even... xD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on June 19, 2015, 06:49:10 PM
How are everyone's stories going? What are you writing/working on right now? Are you close to finishing? So on, so forth...what's up basically.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 19, 2015, 09:00:31 PM
Nice to see someone interested in other members work, if not just to bolster a bit of activity :)


I have been contemplating what I want to achieve in regards to writing recently and I guess Lego's motivational speech has rubbed off on me because I've found myself just wanting to have fun... Surprise surprise.

Ive found that creative writing, as opposed to fully fletched story writing, is my hobby and as such I am taking a step back to try and write two fairly short pieces in full prose to sate my creative outlet. I feel I'm more confident writing short segments rather than lengthy multi chapter pieces and I find more enjoyment there.

I will however still be continuing Public Enemy No. 2 when I find time and I also have to write a short story for my character for Whitecrows next community project. Speaking of community, when I get back from travelling, I would like to do a bit of collab work... see if it works better for me than writing by myself.


I think however I'm going to step back a bit from writing in general to focus more on editing and reviews again. Not just of members stories but of published manga and anime. It's something I've always enjoyed doing and wish to continue.


Anyways just rambling really. How is your writing?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 19, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Actually been having an amazing past three days. Been filling up a word document with poetry and three start up of interesting stories. There was this stream of 800 words that suddenly flowed from me about an Immortal who develops an addiction to water in a post apocalyptic earth. He tries to detoxify the planet in order to have the freshest water possible. So random and fun.

I think finding a new rock group has helped a lot of that front.

Haha glad to hear it helped somehow N01SEY. You can always watch the Shia LeBouf just do it motivational speech.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on June 19, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
@NO1SEY:

Ah I see. That's awesome that you're going to start getting into some creative writing and collabs. Although they're not exactly my cup of tea, I can see them being a lot of fun. I'll keep an eye out for your work ;)

Where are you traveling right now?

I've been meaning to get into reviews myself but I want to finish up some writing I've been working on. Great to hear that you're thinking about getting back into anime/manga reviews. I noticed you took a step back after you got busy with school. But now you're all done! How's it feel to be college grad? 8)

My writing's going pretty well man. I've been trying to really grind through Hikaru Rising. I've finished 7 chapters and I want to finish three more before school starts again to finish Arc 1, so to speak. And then I'm contemplating possibly self-publishing it online. But we'll see how it all plays out!

@Lego:

Wow, seems like you've been quite productive man. Detoxify all the water on the entire planet!? How's he going to accomplish that haha?

A new rock group? :hmm: Interesting. Do you mean joining one has helped or did you find a new one that you're listening to?

I've not seen that Shia LeBouf motivational video yet. Is it good? 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 20, 2015, 06:06:16 AM
I'm not travelling just yet, I leave mid-July for Canada until mid-September, but moving back in at home has been rather hectic... hence why I've had little time to come online or do anything... Being a college graduate it stressful as hell man! especially when you are going away soon after... there is so much to get sorted in terms of work experience for a Masters/PhD and finding a Job and I've given myself very little time to do it...

My advice would be to wait until your whole story is finished to self publish, or publish at all, especially if you are going back to school in September. It will avoid you having to adhere to any time constraints.

The Shia LeBouf video is funny if you watch it out of context :P


@Lego- Yeah!? What Rock Group???
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 20, 2015, 06:13:24 AM
It's been remixed so many times it's hilarious. The batman one is my personal favourite. It's called 'just do it'

Getting back into reviews eh? That's one way to brush up on writing skills and have fun actually. I remember putting a few up on tokyoinsider. It's gratifying when people find your reviews helpful.

I hate technicalities like that. I can imagine, but still, congrats on graduating


Oh and the rock group is indie, called Alt J. Taro, Bloodflood and Breezeblocks are the ones that did it for me. Then I listened to the whole album and checked out the lyrics breakdowns in genius and I was blown away. Actually made me sing a song in the poetry thread hahahaha.


Self publishing is a cool way to reach a wider audience, so go for it if you get things sorted out. Just be willing to shelf out money. The more professional your production the easier to attract people.

I also made a little research on making money while writing /gaining audience. Apparently these day rather than waiting for that one big bestseller it's better to write a heck of a lot of stories. It's sort of like fishing, but your chances improve that way...

I wish I could be as prolific as Nora Roberts haha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 20, 2015, 06:35:14 AM
Hahahaha Alt-J are pretty good! My housemate saw them at the end of last year in Brighton and got me into them. I bought him their latest album on Vinyl for his Birthday a couple of weeks ago.

Bloodflood pt.II is one of their best songs in my opinion. Very atmospheric and weird band. Some of their lyrics make no sense, but it's good you are finding inspiration from them!

I love finding inspiration in music - Coheed and Cambria, Tesseract, In Fear and Faith and many more all write/wrote concept albums and other music that just fascinate me compositionally and lyrically. It's a great, if not abstract place to draw inspiration from.


And in terms of reviewing - before joining the site I actually had no real intentions of writing anything. I wanted to do Youtube reviews but lacked the equipment and was also late to the market. There's no doubt that thinking critically about what I and other people enjoy in terms of reading manga and watching anime has helped me as a writer, but I've moved away from the real essence of what I wanted to do, which is to just write entertaining reviews and discussing opinions on series. I kinda want to go back to that a bit and just have a bit of fun with others :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 20, 2015, 06:51:10 AM
Haha nice. You know a lot of bands I know dude.

Wait who sang the Tesseract album?


Yeah man I say go for it. I was hounded by a constant annoyance with writing and it's been pretty devoid of fun for too long... And the annoyance was turning into anger. Honestly I was just going to say 'meh, haitus time' and start watching/reading stuff until I felt better. Was really ruining my days. Not saying I'm permanently on the right track, but I'm sure as hell having fun.

Just yesternight I added more words to Rosea estranged haha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 20, 2015, 07:12:24 AM
Ashe O'Hara was the singer on the previous TesseracT album, he is releasing an album with his band Voices from the Fuselage in 2 days, which I have preordered :)


I'm not angry, just not having so much fun :P


I await more of our random story of Rosea eagerly :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 20, 2015, 07:29:45 AM
Ah I got the spelling wrong. I'll try listening to it, then
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Aozora on June 21, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
@NO1SEY:

Haha I thought you'd be partying it up after graduating man :tongue: But yeah I can imagine it being hectic with trying to get grad school all figured out. I wish you the best of luck with that. Are you gonna do a Masters first or go straight to PhD? Maybe one day when you're a big shot scientist and I'm a doctor (hopefully) we can collaborate and work together :D

Yeah I get what you mean. I'm not sure if I'll be able to finish my story this summer but trying to set some goals so that I get my lazy self to do some work.

Yeah I saw the video. It was pretty fun :)....JUST DO IT!!

@Lego:

I was planning to self publish online through Lulu which is free. The only thing that may cost money is a nice book cover...but I was hoping a fellow Raider could help this artistically deficient person out on that end. I may be thinking too optimistically however :(

Hmm I can see there being truth to that. Rather than hoping to make it big with just one story it's better to have a bunch of stories to get your name out there. Makes sense man. 

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 06:16:00 AM
I decide to be back here after a long time because my mind is riddled with ideas for stories and I have lot of changes from my previous works and also being disatisfied with the unoriginallity that current anime and manga are going through that I want my stories to be more original but not too noticable.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 29, 2015, 06:43:42 AM
Man cheers to you if you want to try for originality, but your stories tend to revolve around the same plotlines. Japanese and Americans and the differences in their culture. It's Ok to have a niche to write around, but you need to bring something more unique in your works.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 06:53:09 AM
I did say major changes, I'm now more writing about humanity's way of life between good and evil and how it will lead them.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on June 29, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
I think everyone who wants to write manga needs to watch/read Bakuman. Is it really the truth about what goes on inside Shuuisha? Amd apparently, the reason why most of the famous animanga are little boys shouting out very catchy words that almost kill everybody for their nakama/tomodachi is because that's the main attribute the shounen jump wants. It got me thinking whether a lot of us are really suites for manga.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 29, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
There's nothing wrong with simplistic plots. In fact the simpler the core the more you can work with. Hell, I've seen Harem anime done well. I've seen good vampire romance stories. In the end there's got to be a core genre that a reader can latch onto, and then you can go along remixing things as you want.

As for making stuff suited for manga my research isn't nearly enough to know. It's also one of those things you can only know if you talk to the actual people in japanese. I think Korean too could come in handy.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on June 29, 2015, 12:28:30 PM
If I ever write a Harem Manga it would be like Vampire Rosario in the sense that it has a serious plot with comic relief and tons of action... that reminds me...

-goes back to Project: WAR NEVER CHANGES-
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 07:20:01 PM
I really dislike harem in anime or manga if it's overused or showing up all the time, just one girl liking the MC is alright for me, the others are just close friends.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on June 29, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
I really dislike harem in anime or manga if it's overused or showing up all the time, just one girl liking the MC is alright for me, the others are just close friends.
Harem is a genre. There is no such thing as overusing a genre. I would just like to say that... because I approve of harems... fictional ones.


...Then stroke my chin philosophically as I think about what insightful thing I should say next, while being passively arrogant and egotistical. Since that is my nature... I'M A MONSTER!

Yes... yes... you are a monster, aren't you? A freak of nature... an abomination... a mixture of all your experiences and then ultimately an object of nothing more than mortal pain and suffering. Laughing on the outside... crying on the inside... HA HA HA HAAAAA HUAAA HUA HUA HUAAAAAARGH! -inhales fly, starts coughing unontrollably-
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 29, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
^
You Sir, are mad. Outrageously mad. I approve of this outrageous madness.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 29, 2015, 08:02:54 PM
I really dislike harem in anime or manga if it's overused or showing up all the time, just one girl liking the MC is alright for me, the others are just close friends.
Harem is a genre. There is no such thing as overusing a genre. I would just like to say that... because I approve of harems... fictional ones.


...Then stroke my chin philosophically as I think about what insightful thing I should say next, while being passively arrogant and egotistical. Since that is my nature... I'M A MONSTER!

Yes... yes... you are a monster, aren't you? A freak of nature... an abomination... a mixture of all your experiences and then ultimately an object of nothing more than mortal pain and suffering. Laughing on the outside... crying on the inside... HA HA HA HAAAAA HUAAA HUA HUA HUAAAAAARGH! -inhales fly, starts coughing unontrollably-

Terrifying
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 08:14:00 PM
Any reason for girls to like the same guy? It's been used a lot over the years :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on June 29, 2015, 08:17:47 PM
well I mean, how many girls out there want to sleep with Benedict Cumberbutton?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 29, 2015, 08:19:34 PM
Any reason for girls to like the same guy? It's been used a lot over the years :P

I can't help but recall a conversation I read while streaming Youtube about why men stare at other women even when he has a partner. I'll just copy+paste that conversation  ;D

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ruffhouse00x
I noticed when your single women don't give you much attention but when your in a relationship women try their hardest to flirt with you.
   
TheGrace020
Everone wants something forbidden and they try their luck
   
Dan Sinatra
The reason for this is that women are socially focused creatures. Social cohesion was essential for females and their offspring's survival during hominid evolution. For this reason it pays to be especially sensitive to social queues within your group. Women look to each other for positive social "hints" in nearly every aspect, clothes, behaviour and especially men. When a woman sees a man that is in a relationship, she can immediately tell that he is a worthwhile male because he already has female approval. In this instance it is easier for a female to "steal" this male rather than going through the time consuming process of finding a quality male. This is why we have "Suzie HomeWreckers".

Tiffany Linda
Women like getting the approval of other women, having something that other women want. So if your in a relationship your deem desirable to at least one woman and that's enough for other women to get a piece of you.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 29, 2015, 08:32:55 PM
Well that's freaking fantastic to hear
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 08:36:31 PM
I do have ideas for non-canon routes in my stories for Satsuya with all the girls in my next story who are American-born who's families are from different countries except for one who is the 'blonde' girl, is it alright to have those kind of routes? At least for the girls who are well-recieved by readers.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on June 29, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
Any reason for girls to like the same guy? It's been used a lot over the years :P
I have a story like this.

Floating around at the back of my consciousness as I write this post.

All the girls like the guy for a variety of different reasons. Some for the same reason. The main character was mistaken to be a girl, and nations of the world sent a tribute to the 'Party Box' to engage in virtual warfare. No fraternizing with the enemy is allowed.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 29, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
Taking a swing at non-canon routes? Sure! Why not? Adds more variety to the outcome of the story.

That's why you have visual novels, my friend  ;)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 08:55:22 PM
Alrighty, the girls have their own issues dealing with being from a hated country (Russian), born from illegal immigrants (Hispanic) and wanting a simple life from royality (British). Satsuya in their routes will comfort them about their issues and learn about their deepest feelings about themselves.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 29, 2015, 09:23:33 PM
Any other issues with people from different countries? I already have the boy characters having their own issues and being best friends with Satsuya during their time in the night hanging out in New York City.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on June 30, 2015, 01:34:55 AM
Hey someone just called my country a hated country  >:(  Jk I don't mind  :tongue:

Well, I actually know someone irl who has a harem.....
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 03:00:44 AM
Sorry about that Akane, Russia is very hated by the US and many European nations right now for taking over Crimea and warring against Ukraine. I do not hate your country though, I know there are good people there which is why I have a Russian girl character in the story to show that all Russians are not bad.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 30, 2015, 04:17:46 AM
"Hated" is a little strong... But when you manage to get Scandinavian countries to take up arms, we here in Britain have to sit and wonder if Putin is a little bit loopy...

I know some lovely Russian people though :)

That's a very heartwarming story concept you have there Swordhero, make sure to be really detailed and expansive with actually writing it however. Slice of life is a difficult genre to write because, while it doesn't need to have as much of a direction or a goal, it still needs to keep readers invested.

Also make sure that you can deal with criticism now... It's an important part of story development...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2015, 05:26:02 AM
SwordHero, you should really discuss your story in your own board at this point. But more importantly than that you should go give feedback to at least 5 other stories on the forum.

At this point most of your posts have been small chat level posts about your story, which would be great if it was aimed at developing your story rather than you advertising what you've thought about.

At this point it's spam. You should show you have an interest in participating in the community. This was the same problem in the Skype chat, you'd endlessly wait for someone to get on, and ass soon as they responded to your greeting you'd throw your story into their faces.

That behaviour needs to change, because other forum members with lesser post counts have been much more exemplary in willing to be a part of the community.

This is not an advertisement site, and it is not a one way street. People are free to talk with you if they want, but you need to put some real effort into being a part of the community.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Sorry, I didn't know. I'll stop for now
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 05:37:05 AM
Seriously though, I want to start writing soon, I CAN get carried away when new ideas came up, sorry for the trouble but don't try to discourage me from writing like what happen last time with you-know-who.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Peraso on June 30, 2015, 05:42:51 AM
He is simply telling you not to spam a story, not telling you to stop writing it completely. In my time here I haven't seen a person tell someone else to stop writing their stories for x and x reason. It is different to tell you to stop spamming than to stop writing your story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 05:47:35 AM
I get it, I'll stop alright?! I don't want anymore bad blood with anyone else.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 06:05:50 AM
What's with the hostile attitudes, everyone? People couldn't at least try to be courteous with one another... does everyone leave their people manners out the door when going online nowadays?!  :ohmy:

It's very disturbing to see this growing trend of insensitivity on the internet, even as common as it was a decade ago...  :(

But I digress.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2015, 06:12:32 AM
You mean my attitude? If I came off as hostile then I do apologize.

And SwordHero you have the freedom to write your stories. I was just pointing out an issue that should be fixed if you really want to be part of the crew, otherwise it's like you're using everyone else like tools. That's more insensitive than anything else.

Forgot to mention try Review Swaps out http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php?topic=13165.msg230002;topicseen#msg230002
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Peraso on June 30, 2015, 06:14:11 AM
I didn't mean to be mean, I was trying to say Lego didn't say to stop writing,but apparently I was misunderstood. I do not wish for any person to stop ther aspirations, I am no one to do so after all.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 06:16:53 AM
No, I'm sorry. I just want to not write another bad story, I spent years thinking the story that fits my ideas the most that will inspire people to be more open to others and to accept who they are, there are still those who focus on differences such as race, gender, history that cause bad blood to each other and not focusing on their feelings and personalites.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 06:21:30 AM
And Lego, you have no right to accuse me of using anyone as a tool because I NEVER tolerate those who use others for their  own personal gains and I consider it as a crime to a person's feelings.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 06:27:31 AM
Let's just end this here and get to help each other, alright? Try to provoke me more or argue further, I am leaving this site for good, PERIOID.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2015, 06:32:46 AM
You see the thing is SwordHero you've  threatened everyone with that statement before.  You always blow up rather than try to hear out what other people are saying. You've threatened suicide before, which is not a cool move. This is manipulating people with feelings of guilt and fear rather than trying to talk to them.

That's not how things work here. We are each our own people, so just get to writing your story and participate in the community if you really want to get feedback on your story and improve your writing. No more shouting matches, no more threats like that because that just disturbs forum peace.

Feel free to use the PM system to people you want to review your story if you want. But as far as things on the forum itself goes you better change your behaviour.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 06:35:02 AM
Now this is what I mean by "insensitivity." People aren't thinking about the words they put up there for everyone to read... I never thought I'd have to say this (even toward a mod, in which case I apologize profusely for my out-of-line statement) but please remind yourselves that there are people behind these usernames and that it would be in everyone's best interest to speak politely and with respect to others. In other words...

May Hasith have mercy upon your souls.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 06:41:51 AM
Just stop, I understand, I'm getting stressed with life you know, having two jobs now limits my ability to talk to others and share opinions, I don't have much time to be online because of that, family's in poverty and I need to use most of my time to help them out. I had falling outs with friends because of relationship issues, that made me not want to try to be in a relationship since I have better things to do. Life's tough and I know that but there are others who had it worse, don't let yourself be affected by others because I made that mistake before and I want to focus on more important goals.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 06:47:15 AM
Well, that issue's settled then.

Let's get back on track now that the drama is over!  :thumbsup: (Mein Gott I hate drama...  :glare:)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 06:55:42 AM
Any writing topics you want to discuss on? I thought about fan service, I hate the sexual part of it. Make men be pervs without realizing it, that is scary  :ohmy:.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 07:04:20 AM
Hmm... fanservice. I don't mind fanservice (I've spoken about the need for more plot if you get my drift  8) ), but fanservice that actually does something... now that is gold  ;)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 07:09:32 AM
You know guys, they buy and watch anything that sparks their dirty thoughts, I'm alright with fanservice as long it's not overused or for plot (High School DxD is one of my most hated anime and the protag too but I'm alright with fans of the anime).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 07:18:27 AM
That's the thing about some shows. They're created specifically to cater to fanservice, and that's exactly who they're catering to. People have different tastes when it comes to what genre they like watching (this includes fanservice). Animes like Queen's Blade or The Qwaser of Stigmata exist because there is a legitimate audience for those types of genres. People either like it or don't like it.

Personally I don't care what shows I watch. As long as they're good, I have no qualms with what they choose to present (Though I avoid some shows for personal reasons...).  :sure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 07:27:03 AM
I mention harem before, I always tend to avoid any anime that has it to the max like with SAO's second arc for example which made me dislike the anime and lowered my expectations, I do see other people mostly dislike it too.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 07:43:08 AM
Bad directions writers and animators must have to avoid to not disappoint and lose fans. I've felt disappointed in some anime and manga I used to like before it went to a direction that I really dislike about.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 07:43:28 AM
Honestly I've never watched SAO before (*gasp*  :o ), but I had my doubts about the story to begin with. Still, I doubt I'll rule the series out completely (until I get over my personal conscience barrier...   :glare:) despite the distaste toward the series's development. Harems do play a large role in romance anime, so if you're into those types, expect lots of conflict and drama over who-gets-who (Secretly I'm more for the harem route. It solves every problem!  :push: )

With that topic in mind, what do you guys believe is the most ideal story for you? The greatest story you would ever want to watch or read about? It can be an actual series such as Naruto or Fullmetal Alchemist, or a general concept, like your own stories. Whatever illustrates your idea of the "greatest story ever"   :D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 07:48:43 AM
I thought of One Piece since it's the best selling manga with a great storyline and lot of likeable and hateable characters and is almost to 800 chapters. I do see flaws in it, mostly Oda dragging some arcs like Fishman Island and Dressrosa which some chapters are just filer that no one wants to see and instead wants to see the arcs end and move on to another new setting.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 30, 2015, 08:05:30 AM
With that topic in mind, what do you guys believe is the most ideal story for you? The greatest story you would ever want to watch or read about? It can be an actual series such as Naruto or Fullmetal Alchemist, or a general concept. Whatever illustrates your idea of the "greatest story ever"   :D


Geez what a question :P I don't think I actually have one...

There are definitely stories that I love though, for various different reasons, and that I am greatly inspired by. For instance I love the story and the background story in the DS game "The World Ends With You", and I have to stop myself trying to be influenced so much by it.

I also really like the story of Sirius Amory, as part of Claudio Sanchez's "The Amory Wars" universe and the subject of Coheed and Cambria's double album "The Afterman".

Then on TV I have "Vikings" and "Black Sails", which story-wise I consider truly epic, GOT can go eat it's heart out :P

As for manga and anime I'd have to say that story-wise I don't think any are even close to being the greatest story I will ever read or watch. Code Geass is one of the few where I think the story itself is actually very very good.

The thing is, what I find entertaining and enjoy doesn't really always correlate into great stories... I would love to say series like Barakamon, Shokugeki no Soma, Reborn! etc... but I just cant  :(
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
I thought Black Sails wasn't good. I must continue watching it then

As far as greatest stories go though there are so many mediums to relate a story that I can't just choose one. True detective season 1 had a brillaint story, and Harry Potter I'll definitely reread because of how timeless it is

The hard sci fi of the old greats like Greg Bear, Arthur C Clarke and Isaac Asimov tended to have no flowery language and pretty one dimensional characters who were more often than not passive observers of the wonders of space and the like, but their narratives were also amazing and entertaining.

Anime wise it's pretty easy to think of them. So many to go on. But something like Gureen Lagaan I say also has the characteristics of an ideal story despite it's over the top action and the like.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 30, 2015, 08:18:35 AM
I thought Black Sails wasn't good. I must continue watching it then

It's freakin awesome dude! But then I really like Pirate stories... but the plot twists! THE PLOT TWISTS!!! Season 2 is much better than season 1 too.

and Harry Potter I'll definitely reread because of how timeless it is

NO!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2015, 08:25:42 AM
Fool, do not dare disrespect The Boy Who Lived! In fact I shall buy the whole collection this year, because I can't read that book digitally. From things as non relevant like font to the matter of fact narrative style, I truly enjoyed those books. And it just keeps on getting better till the end
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on June 30, 2015, 08:27:43 AM
I prefer stories that destroy the concept of right and wrong. Like Kurosh¡tsuji, despite all the disturbing fanservice, I liked the fact that no cause was 100% just. And Magi as well.

I never really liked Harry Potter since the MC seemed way too emotionless and Mary-Sueish. I could'nt really connect with the series.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 08:29:22 AM
Hehehe, I love the baffled replies I'm getting from that question. I ask for the most ideal story and instead I'm given a bucketlist of what people consider good stories  :D

Now, after giving your general idea of what you consider a "good story or stories", what kind of story would you create that would account for everything you love about the story yet fill/fix the "flaws & dislikes" about that story?

Furthermore, would you consider yourself more as a creator or a spectator? Are you the type that would rather experience the story or the type that would rather build the story to your own liking?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 30, 2015, 08:37:46 AM
Furthermore, would you consider yourself more as a creator or a spectator? Are you the type that would rather experience the story or the type that would rather build the story to your own liking?


I'm definitely more the latter... although when it comes to games I much prefer sandbox style games or games where you can forge your own story e.g. Skyrim and Civ V.

But I enjoy consuming good stories that other people create, and I enjoy consuming bad stories so that I can rip into them in satirical reviews.

Still it's always good to do something creative also, so writing and playing music does that for me.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 08:51:59 AM
I played Persona 2, 3 and 4, I cannot wait for the fifth title this year. I hope the game will be darker, I honestly thought the cheery parts in 4 were a con in my view as it took away the dark feeling of the Megami Tensei games as they were meant to be dark.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 30, 2015, 08:53:56 AM
^^ Is that for the "What Video Games Are You Playing At The Moment"  (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,11419.0.html)thread??
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 08:58:45 AM
Hey, games count as stories, so it's all fair game here!  :D

*ba dum tss*

... I'll go show myself out now.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 09:01:50 AM
Uh no, I meant about the writing and mood of the game that took away the serious feeling that the metaseries were known for. I usually don't like a mostly lighthearted part in a series that is known to be dark to the soul (though regardless I fully enjoyed P4 for it's truth theme and characters).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on June 30, 2015, 09:11:46 AM
Ah yeah, consistency in tone is fairly important, although sometimes tone switching can be used to good effect. It's a problem when it interrupts things though.

For instance a comedic scene in the middle of a serious fight scene that changes the pace of the story and allows the main character to win the fight, even though there was no way they could win before, is a really annoying technique used by writers when they are dealing with power escalation...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on June 30, 2015, 09:12:20 AM
Hehehe, I love the baffled replies I'm getting from that question. I ask for the most ideal story and instead I'm given a bucketlist of what people consider good stories  :D

As simple as the question sounds, I think it's quite possibly one of the most difficult questions to answer specifically. I can give a theory on what an ideal story for me would be but there are many stories I love that contradict my definitions.

A story that can get you fired up and emotional would be my vague answer with characters you feel empathy towards and care about (or truly hate if that is the intention). It doesn't require outright shock twists but it should rarely be predictable. That being said, one of my current favorite tv shows is Arrow and there are many times throughout the show that I can predict the outcomes of events or question a character's actions whether those actions are big or small. In games, Mass Effect had one of the greatest storylines ever in my opinion but once again there were questionable moments in it. In these imperfect stories however, there's rarely a time that someone could say they would be able to change it for the better. So maybe imperfection plays a factor in a captivating story, I really couldn't say. So that's my long way of saying I don't have a clue haha!

I like to think I am a budding creator but that's only been in recent years after a very long period as a spectator with occasional half-hearted contributions to the work of other creators. We all have to start somewhere though, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 09:20:12 AM
Agh, just remembered Akame Ga Kill, that anime was terrible when it went full-on comedy that ruins the serious tone.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on June 30, 2015, 09:26:56 AM
Hehehe, I love the baffled replies I'm getting from that question. I ask for the most ideal story and instead I'm given a bucketlist of what people consider good stories  :D

As simple as the question sounds, I think it's quite possibly one of the most difficult questions to answer specifically. I can give a theory on what an ideal story for me would be but there are many stories I love that contradict my definitions.

A story that can get you fired up and emotional would be my vague answer with characters you feel empathy towards and care about (or truly hate if that is the intention). It doesn't require outright shock twists but it should rarely be predictable. That being said, one of my current favorite tv shows is Arrow and there are many times throughout the show that I can predict the outcomes of events or question a character's actions whether those actions are big or small. In games, Mass Effect had one of the greatest storylines ever in my opinion but once again there were questionable moments in it. In these imperfect stories however, there's rarely a time that someone could say they would be able to change it for the better. So maybe imperfection plays a factor in a captivating story, I really couldn't say. So that's my long way of saying I don't have a clue haha!

I like to think I am a budding creator but that's only been in recent years after a very long period as a spectator with occasional half-hearted contributions to the work of other creators. We all have to start somewhere though, right?  ;D

True that, there is no perfect story as there will be people to not like it, we just need to write a story that will appeal to many as much as we can.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on June 30, 2015, 09:40:22 AM
Haha, ideal story

That would be Magi's Slavery mixed with Baccano's not too creepy on screen gore, Durarara's web of connections, Attack on Titan/ Owari no Seraph's Fight Scenes, a torture scene (preferably for a minor character or villain), Kurosh¡tsuji's Philosophy, Hisoka form HXH/ Izaya Orihara, Aizen-sama, Katsura from Gintama's madness, and Gintama's comedy and Death Note/Zankyou no Terror's riddles. Mix it up and polish it onto high school kids, one exaggerated rack, a badass themesong, a couple who we all ship due to the lack of personal space but have never kissed and a Half historical half future timeline like Gintama.


I suppose I start out as a spectator, but when I find one that completely baffles me (in a good way or bad way), I become a creator.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on June 30, 2015, 09:42:56 AM
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Agh, just remembered Akame Ga Kill, that anime was terrible when it went full-on comedy that ruins the serious tone.

I thought Akame Ga Kill was epic until it begun to mix comedy with the "kill off every main character one at a time so they've all sacrificed themselves for the greater good" as it reached it's conclusion. It took away the emotion from a lot of the deaths. The only character I majorly felt for was Bols surprisingly. Almost everyone else seemed to be mildly-naturally psychotic because of something that had happened in their past but Bols had a simpler premise. He killed because it was his job and he knew that he would be judged for it someday. That simplicity and acceptance of what he was doing without taking pleasure in it made him more effective than any of the more complex attempts at backstory could do for the other characters.

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True that, there is no perfect story as there will be people to not like it, we just need to write a story that will appeal to many as much as we can.

I think the key to writing is formulating a story that you yourself feel would captivate you which is a difficult thing because so many starting writers lack confidence. I don't know about anyone else here but many books or mangas that I really love, I will read more than once. If I can write a story that I'm willing to read to myself again long after it's been completed and proof-read, I'm willing to bet other people will enjoy it the same way.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
To give my input to all the questions I laid out so far...

To be honest, there is no Golden Standard to any story out there. There's always going to be some flaw in it regardless if the "Almighty Creator of the Universe" came down and wrote the script itself. Some do a better job than others, but you'll never see a story that will satisfy 100% of the audience. That's just not possible. So the best thing you can do is pick the ones you enjoy the most and roll with it  ;)

With that knowledge, this is why I ended up creating a Universe with my story Chelderan Chronicles instead of the typical "follow one plot" story that revolves around the protagonist or group of protagonists. I find I'm always going to be dissatisfied to some degree what I can do with my characters based on their characteristics and situation I place them in. I can't have them do everything at any time, otherwise it's simply a showcase and not a story. So instead of a one-story-fits-all scenario, I have multiple stories in the same scenario catering to different viewpoints and ideas. So in terms of creating an ideal story, I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to achieve that. But at least I can take potshots at it, hoping one of them might make the mark.  ;D

I'd say my spectating contributes to my creating. It's what inspires me to contribute to this fantastical world of imagination and creativity that no one else can see but your own. You build upon the ideas of others, twist it, reshape it, fine-tune it to your own, and eventually you create this magnificent world floating inside your head that you yourself play god to. All that is left is to put it into physical being. In short, I consider myself both. I'd be unsatisfied just as a spectator as I helplessly sit and watch these great characters meet their dissatisfying doom (I'm looking at you, Akame Ga Kill  :glare: ), and I'd be unsatisfied just as a creator because my world would be dull and boring at the blank room I'm in right now.  8)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on June 30, 2015, 11:11:55 AM
Completely agree Operative, all creativity stems from what we spectate in the world around us especially in seeing the work of other creators and drawing something from the experience.

So much flak for Akame Ga Kill today ::)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on June 30, 2015, 11:44:44 AM
Tis what happens when you decide to water-down the series instead of sticking to the original concept.  ;) No one likes bad pacing, and the story does it from the very start (Who puts comedy immediately after a dead-serious death!? You completely ruin the feels for that! You gotta let it sink in... slowly, and painfully). It's a shame too... Akame Ga Kill had such high expectations for the sheer shock-value it had. (Death Flags for Everyone! No One is Safe!  :devil: ) Regardless, it's not the first show to fall victim to bad pacing...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 02, 2015, 07:56:38 AM
I agree, comedy in anime where main characters even die, it's ridiculous. It takes lot of effort to have main characters be likeable to invest their feelings for them.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 11:51:32 AM
Keep in mind that even if no story will ever be perfect, there's no excuse to aiming for perfection or adequacy.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 02, 2015, 12:34:19 PM
Right, perfection is impossible, we all humans can't do the impossible
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 02, 2015, 12:36:46 PM
Perfection is something that can no longer be improved upon and relies heavily on human perception and perhaps your own idealism. It can be done, if you think something is perfect. It's just that others are unlikely to think so because their ideal 'perfect' is probably different than yours.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 02, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Yeah, everyone thinks different in case of story writing, it makes each one of them unique, having their own thoughts and ideas into their work.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 02, 2015, 02:35:22 PM
Just FYI. I aim for glory and honor on the field of battle. Not perfection.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 02, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
I think there's something to be said for writing for pleasure as well. The main reason I write is for the enjoyment I derive from it after all.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on July 02, 2015, 03:39:49 PM
Yeah, I'm looking just to write creatively now...

I'm past the days of "Oh I have a great idea for a manga story that's waaaaaayyyyyy better than Bleach!".

I enjoy sharing though and I do still have a series I want to continue working on :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 02, 2015, 03:50:33 PM
Yeah....but thats probably because you came to the realisation  that bleach has a perfect story and can't be topped........  :sure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 02, 2015, 04:34:26 PM
Honestly I think a lot of my disatisfaction with Bleach comes from the fact that it's a really fun concept with a tonne of potential. Everyone from fan to hater has an idea of how they'd improve it to make it better rather than just dismissing it altogether.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 02, 2015, 06:37:57 PM
Kubo succeeded in making Aizen a fan favorite because of his way of manipulating others through just words and his power.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 02, 2015, 06:53:52 PM
When I have this time off, I'm so totally having a couple of Writing days! Just solid writing. I want two chapters of work done at least!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 02, 2015, 06:57:57 PM
That's cool, currently my interest in Bleach is motivated again after the lackluster dragging and arriving at Ywhach's New World
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 07:50:14 PM
i just want to say that even though you write to let out your creativity and put it into words, even if you never aim for improvement, even if you never even wish to be published.

Aiming for improvement shouldn't be a problem. Because when you share your story, you want readers to enjoy it. and if the reader doesn't see it the way you wrote or even close due to many flaws, then thats where one has failed.


So don't get wrapped up on perfection being "subjective". That's no excuse to recognize flaws. Your goal should still be to entertain your readers just as mucha s you entertain yourself. If you're easy to please, work harder into making sure you see other point of views.  bad pacing, difficult to understand characters, lack of development. those are all things anyone can find.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 02, 2015, 07:59:37 PM
               Not to say people shouldn't ever strive to improve. I think with anything we enjoy doing, its only natural we'd like to get better at it for sure. Its just that sometimes it swings way too far the other way, to the point where people are almost embarrassed to admit they write for themselves, like they're afraid to admit they don't have a high goal and want to be the very best like no one ever was. 
               
                 Its a community for all ages and skill levels, so I think its nice to remind people its okay not to want to become a millionaire and go down as a national treasure off the back of your work.
               
                 I'm of the personal belief that its better for someone to write a flawed piece, than them to become so filled with anxiety about their ability that they choose not to write at all. No one ever improves if they're discouraged enough to the point of giving up.
                 
                 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 08:08:54 PM
               Not to say people shouldn't ever strive to improve. I think with anything we enjoy doing, its only natural we'd like to get better at it for sure. Its just that sometimes it swings way too far the other way, to the point where people are almost embarrassed to admit they write for themselves, like they're afraid to admit they don't have a high goal and want to be the very best like no one ever was. 
Well there is only embarrassment if they only chose to write for themselves and had absolutely no intention of conveying their thoughts properly, or fixing flaws. For example, if someone wrote a story, and the flaws were so apparent, and the writer was embarrassed to recognize them and having to tell the person "i wont fix it, because i didn't write it to be good"
               
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                 Its a community for all ages and skill levels, so I think its nice to remind people its okay not to want to become a millionaire and go down as a national treasure off the back of your work.
most time people fail the basics though. Even for all ages, i'm sure all ages can take it. Most times the problem isn't the criticism, its the fact that in order to convey the problem,  a lot of examples need to be provided.
               
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                 I'm of the personal belief that its better for someone to write a flawed piece, than them to become so filled with anxiety about their ability that they choose not to write at all. No one ever improves if they're discouraged enough to the point of giving up.
I don't think its an either-or situation like you make it out to be though. Most people who can't take criticism are people who don't want to improve. No one ever improves if they don't even know what to improve on too. keep that in mind.
                 
                 
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Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 02, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
I'm a total hypocrite in this post as I'm guilty of all of the above but I still understand and accept what I'm gonna say and it's likely that everyone else on here that cares about writing will know it too but it's a very easy thing to forget.

Improvement is what every serious writer who is starting off strives for personally and it's very easy to get consumed by that motivation to the point that it's damaging their progression due to their own self-judgement. I know that I'm guilty of that on a regular basis to the point that it affects my entire style. But I've learned over the years even if I don't always abide by it that the best way to improve is to relax and not focus so much on it as that improvement comes naturally. I expect that it's the same with artists, so long as someone remains active and enthusiastic with what they're doing, their skills will improve naturally.

It's awesome to always strive to get better but the most natural way for that to occur is by relaxing, continuing to learn what you can and refine your own style. Listen to your peers when they advise you but don't let contradiction of your current ideas define your future ones unless that contradiction turns out to be constructive criticism and opens up a side to your ideas that you didn't see before.

No matter what people say negatively about your stories or styles, hold onto them but be flexible enough to refine them from relative feedback is what I'm trying to say I suppose. Even the most successful writers should be still willing to learn to improve further in my opinion. Otherwise they're abandoning what it meant for them to be a writer in the beginning. However your stories turn out you should never be too stubborn to listen to feedback.

Pardon that rant, I just typed away and before I knew it I had a life story written out for this post haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 08:22:27 PM
To me, i believe one must always aim to write an "adequate" story. If it consumes someone, its because they aren't taking it one step at a time. It takes multiple revisions for a reason. if you tried fixing it all at once, you get consumed (but thats if you can't handle more than one issue at a time).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 02, 2015, 08:36:52 PM
Adequate by what standards? Adequate for me is something that I would enjoy reading if it was written by someone else. It's a tough line to define because reading your own work can lead to either undeserved pride or undeserved embarrassment regardless of the actual quality but if you can look at something you've created yourself objectively outside of that and say it's interesting to read while others say the same then that is adequate to me but many people may have completely different definitions.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 08:54:17 PM
Adequate by what standards? Adequate for me is something that I would enjoy reading if it was written by someone else. It's a tough line to define because reading your own work can lead to either undeserved pride or undeserved embarrassment regardless of the actual quality but if you can look at something you've created yourself objectively outside of that and say it's interesting to read while others say the same then that is adequate to me but many people may have completely different definitions.

i think your definition is too based on the idea that "one person liked it". or "two people liked it".

me its "how well you conveyed your thoughts". Sometimes people just like things blindly. Especially when it comes to amateur writing, they don't really care about what is going on...or how its portrayed. A lot of empty areas and the casual reader (who will forget about the story in two days) will just fill in the blanks, even if the blanks are bigger than the story itself (making the reader make his own story as he reads it).


the reader who actively wants to know what exactly the story is about, what flow the reader is trying to portray, and what feeling they should be getting. they will actively look into it, and if the blank spots or contradictions, or lack of character development, or bad pacing, those are the things that the reader will actively point out.

I've been told that i remember a lot of stories. a lot that many casual readers claimed they liked, but never fully wanted to know more.






so you ask by what standards? the standard of rally leaving an impression on your reader....that standard is all about earning them, working on every aspect, every piece to make sure it flows properly and making usre your characters are well understoo or give the correct impression on your readers.


sure, you write for yourself, but when you share, you obviously want to invoke a feeling that you got when you wrote it. If the reader isn't getting it. then thats where you should find out why. Thats how you become "adequate".
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MissChurro on July 02, 2015, 09:34:22 PM
Hey Lorenx, you're free to post here as much as you want, but please don't make any posts directed at or addressing SwordHero or his story. He's asked you to not talk to him several times, so if you continue I'll have to take action. Thanks.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 02, 2015, 09:46:02 PM
Adequate by what standards? Adequate for me is something that I would enjoy reading if it was written by someone else. It's a tough line to define because reading your own work can lead to either undeserved pride or undeserved embarrassment regardless of the actual quality but if you can look at something you've created yourself objectively outside of that and say it's interesting to read while others say the same then that is adequate to me but many people may have completely different definitions.

I agree to an extent what MisterSherbetLemon describes as adequate (If it's a good read, I don't care what the reading is about), however I may point out that "adequate" has different perspectives depending on the situation. If the writing is for yourself, simply finding it to your liking is adequate in itself. If the writing is for a small tight-knit group of friends, as long as they like it, it is adequate. So on and so forth...

I read some interesting articles about concept of writing for readers...

http://writetodone.com/why-you-should-write-first-for-yourself/

https://medium.com/@PaulJun_/dont-write-for-others-write-for-yourself-cf9e338a0977

http://www.writersdigest.com/online-editor/should-you-write-for-yourself-or-for-the-reader

Many of these established authors generally sum up what I believe writing should be like. I encourage others to read up on these articles and draw conclusions for themselves. These are people who have known in-and-out what the industry is like and what it takes to be successful in it. (As amateurs, we might not be looking to be a part of that industry, but at least it'll help motivate you to write  ;) )
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
That was unnecessary publicly. Trust me, I have no interest in seeing the exact same story over and over with the exact same mistakes
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 10:04:56 PM
Adequate by what standards? Adequate for me is something that I would enjoy reading if it was written by someone else. It's a tough line to define because reading your own work can lead to either undeserved pride or undeserved embarrassment regardless of the actual quality but if you can look at something you've created yourself objectively outside of that and say it's interesting to read while others say the same then that is adequate to me but many people may have completely different definitions.

I agree to an extent what MisterSherbetLemon describes as adequate (If it's a good read, I don't care what the reading is about), however I may point out that "adequate" has different perspectives depending on the situation. If the writing is for yourself, simply finding it to your liking is adequate in itself. If the writing is for a small tight-knit group of friends, as long as they like it, it is adequate. So on and so forth...

I read some interesting articles about concept of writing for readers...

http://writetodone.com/why-you-should-write-first-for-yourself/

https://medium.com/@PaulJun_/dont-write-for-others-write-for-yourself-cf9e338a0977

http://www.writersdigest.com/online-editor/should-you-write-for-yourself-or-for-the-reader

Many of these established authors generally sum up what I believe writing should be like. I encourage others to read up on these articles and draw conclusions for themselves. These are people who have known in-and-out what the industry is like and what it takes to be successful in it. (As amateurs, we might not be looking to be a part of that industry, but at least it'll help motivate you to write  ;) )


That's a completely different idea than what is being said
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MissChurro on July 02, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
That was unnecessary publicly. Trust me, I have no interest in seeing the exact same story over and over with the exact same mistakes

You've already made a few posts directed at him in the past few days so I was just making it clear not to do it in the future, as to avoid any drama this time around.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 02, 2015, 10:33:27 PM
That's a completely different idea than what is being said

What?

Am I saying things out of context? I don't believe I'm stepping out of line when I'm adding on to the idea of what defines" adequacy".  :(

On another note, I thought you made it publicly clear you did not wish to speak to me. While it would be unfair for you to solely have the speaking privileges between us, I would advise adhering to what you stated earlier, or we might have a situation. I'm not the only one who has a problem with your conduct, so please reconsider your actions beforehand.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 11:32:56 PM
 

You've already made a few posts directed at him in the past few days so I was just making it clear not to do it in the future, as to avoid any drama this time around.
I actually made it to the topic at hand. Multiple people referred to such topic. Not once have I specifically mentioned his story

What?

Am I saying things out of context? I don't believe I'm stepping out of line when I'm adding on to the idea of what defines" adequacy".  :(
I simply said what is a completely different idea. But I will respond in detail when I have time. Not to reply to you, but to inform everyone else.
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On another note, I thought you made it publicly clear you did not wish to speak to me. While it would be unfair for you to solely have the speaking privileges between us, I would advise adhering to what you stated earlier, or we might have a situation. I'm not the only one who has a problem with your conduct, so please reconsider your actions beforehand.
please reconsider yours. Keep in mind, this is an isolated issue. You know full well you played a role aswell. Did you not intentionally seek arguments? Did you not take offense much more easily? Operative. I am merely responding for the sake for no one to confuse that the links you provided are not what defines adequacy.

Please don't bring up conduct unless be branded a hipocrit. You actively seeked me out from time to time regarding how I review. That was 100% on you just as it's 100% on me to even respond to you knowing full well your intentions.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 02, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Writing for you self before others is more about writing your ideas and thoughts and not allowing someone else to compromise that original thought.

However when one mentions to think about your readers, it's about conveying those thoughts adequately. If the flow is choppy, if lack of character development is there or didn't care that the reader will see it then you wrote a story not meant to share because it's not meant to be understood or have readers feel the same emotions you wanted to convey with yourself.


If you wanted to share and have readers understand and feel what you wanted them to, then aim to improve. It really is about understanding and following the basics.


Like DeAngelus has said in the past. I'm only expanding
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 03, 2015, 12:16:23 AM
@Lorenx1
The moment you reply, you know full well that it is directed toward the person replied to. This is certainly not an isolated issue if you're breaking your own declaration and bashing it further, and I would kindly ask that any further contact be avoided for both our own sakes and the community.

This hostility from you is not welcomed.  :noyoudon't:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 03, 2015, 12:32:27 AM
Writing for you self before others is more about writing your ideas and thoughts and not allowing someone else to compromise that original thought.

However when one mentions to think about your readers, it's about conveying those thoughts adequately. If the flow is choppy, if lack of character development is there or didn't care that the reader will see it then you wrote a story not meant to share because it's not meant to be understood or have readers feel the same emotions you wanted to convey with yourself.


If you wanted to share and have readers understand and feel what you wanted them to, then aim to improve. It really is about understanding and following the basics.


Like DeAngelus has said in the past. I'm only expanding

Holy crap. Lorenx1 is here. I'd better go get my green suit and trim my mustache before I make any points. Be back in a few posts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 03, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
^May Hasith Have Mercy Upon Your Souls...  :sadbye:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 03, 2015, 12:35:56 AM
Operative, you were told specifically to avoid talking to Lorenx in public, because this will provoke another spat no doubt. Same for you Lorenx.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 03, 2015, 12:42:45 AM
This hostility from you is not welcomed.  :noyoudon't:
oh story it you know full well you play a bigger part of it. My initial comment was nothing wrong. If there is any hostility it is purely deserved. I simply made a responce, you turned it into a fight


Still.....@everyone else


Don't confuse writing for yourself to not trying to convey your thoughts properly
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 03, 2015, 12:44:48 AM
My deepest apologies... I was under the impression Lorenx1 was directing comments at me again.

... and still she continues to do so.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 03, 2015, 12:47:29 AM
See, it's side comments like those that cause problems.


If you two can't play nice, we will have to do something more drastic about the problem, and I don't think either of you really want to be on the receiving end.

So just, stop. Don't go trying to get the last word in. Just stop.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 03, 2015, 12:50:22 AM
i said nothing wrong.....period.....anything else was provoked. And you all know that. But i will repeat myself for the sake of staying on topic:


Do not confuse that Writing for yourself means ignore advice, or claiming you know best to improve. the only thing one can truly say they know is the ideas and thoughts they want to convey with the story.

Everything else is determined with how many people can see it and accurately state such. When you aim to improve, its for yourself as well, because you learn to tell a story. Telling a story to others is important.

People forget about stories quite easily despite claiming they "liked" it. I, however, don't forget stories, even the heavily flawed ones. And thats something others consider a quality.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on July 03, 2015, 01:22:29 AM
Wow, that escalated really quickly. I think I'll just sit in the corner to avoid making anoth argument  :ninja:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 03, 2015, 01:26:27 AM
Akane, you're not really helping yourself if you're only going ot comment about that, and not continue the constructive side, or at least make a new topic of yourself. Must i repeat myself a 4th time since the main comment is in previous post?


i think most of you know how to improve too...I just don't see why you all trying to find an excuse NOT to improve.

It doesn't look good when one cant understand "adequacy" and "perfection". granted perfection isn't 100% possible, but it shouldn't stop any one to aim for perfection from what you do know. You know character development, proper pacing, and clear sentences is what helps make an adequate story.

The rest is making sure you convey your thoughts clearly.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on July 03, 2015, 01:54:41 AM
Yeah, well, you see, errmm...I have the feeling I shouldn't add this but,

Akane, you're not really helping yourself if you're only going ot comment about that, and not continue the constructive side, or at least make a new topic of yourself.

When did I say I wanted to be on the constructive side? Even though I am and I can completely follow what you're and despise it when people want to make excuses for themselves, it doesn't neccessarily mean I have to say anything about it. Yes, this is a manga creation community and it was most likely made to do what you're doing, telling people the right thing (yeah, meaning I'm not really playing my role as a MangaRaider), but by the time someone says 'No' to your advice, you have to leave it at that. I kind of understand why you made a topic about wanting to leave this place, seeing as you're always giving advice and people don't want to accept it. In this case, turn your head, flare your nostrils and say 'You can drag the horse to the river, but you can't make it drink' or something along the lines of that. No offence, though, to the people with differen opinions. You aren't horses, you're humans
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 03, 2015, 01:58:08 AM
AND I AM BACK.

Now. Let's discuss my latest story. Link is in my signature. Let's try to help me improve.

I'd like a few questions answered from a beta-reader's perspective.

Did anything make you laugh? Did nothing make you laugh, did you find anything interesting, or awesome. Do you have anything to say about the realism of the whole thing... or the time frame it takes for things to happen? Is it too cliche to have action so suddenly, or does that make the chapter intersting? I just picked up the script style of writing... so try to be not too harsh.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on July 03, 2015, 02:05:42 AM

When did I say I wanted to be on the constructive side? Even though I am and I can completely follow what you're and despise it when people want to make excuses for themselves, it doesn't neccessarily mean I have to say anything about it. Yes, this is a manga creation community and it was most likely made to do what you're doing, telling people the right thing (yeah, meaning I'm not really playing my role as a MangaRaider), but by the time someone says 'No' to your advice, you have to leave it at that. I kind of understand why you made a topic about wanting to leave this place, seeing as you're always giving advice and people don't want to accept it. In this case, turn your head, flare your nostrils and say 'You can drag the horse to the river, but you can't make it drink' or something along the lines of that. No offence, though, to the people with differen opinions. You aren't horses, you're humans

its more that the forum has endorsed immaturity, and the mods just don't know what to do when someone is clearly trying to cause problem, rather than avoid it.

THe forum had stopped trying to move toward maturity. It allowing members to be abusive. Overall though, in the other forum (granted not 100% about manga), is alla bout improving, and doesn't have to blow up in immaturity. the person normally gets shunned.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Wasted_Dragon on July 03, 2015, 02:38:55 AM
I think we should all stop bein super cereal and go to the MR beach trip thread.....not cause I'm bored and have nothing better to do or anything.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 03, 2015, 03:10:21 AM
@Wasted_Dragon
I'm guessing we're all stuffed into that bus(es?) for the sake of inflating attendance... not implying I hate the beach or anything...  :sure:

AND I AM BACK.

Now. Let's discuss my latest story. Link is in my signature. Let's try to help me improve.

I'd like a few questions answered from a beta-reader's perspective.

Did anything make you laugh? Did nothing make you laugh, did you find anything interesting, or awesome. Do you have anything to say about the realism of the whole thing... or the time frame it takes for things to happen? Is it too cliche to have action so suddenly, or does that make the chapter intersting? I just picked up the script style of writing... so try to be not too harsh.

Give this man a medal! I haven't laughed this much all day!  :D

I remember Crackhead Johny writing something along the lines of this style... imagine a duet with the both of you! It'd be a killer!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Wasted_Dragon on July 03, 2015, 03:45:48 AM
@Wasted_Dragon
I'm guessing we're all stuffed into that bus(es?) for the sake of inflating attendance... not implying I hate the beach or anything...  :sure:

According to Coryns' setting? yes. Anything goes? I guess so. What should we write? {input evil laughter here}
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 03, 2015, 03:47:15 AM
Plans for World Domination via Harem Scenario?   :sure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on July 03, 2015, 03:50:04 AM
^^ Ah but then you have to get roped into working at a beach cafe for the mess you cause...

Oh wait... that was Squid Girl...

Erm... how would a harem scenario be a plan for world domination!?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on July 03, 2015, 03:52:40 AM
Simple! Conquest of all the women in the world! The one who rules the gene pool... rules the world  :ninja:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Wasted_Dragon on July 03, 2015, 03:53:09 AM

Erm... how would a harem scenario be a plan for world domination!?[/size]

Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou was like that I think, if I recall correctly lol. It's been a while.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 03, 2015, 04:43:08 AM
Wow sparks have been flying while I slept o.O

To the beach thread for happy times then!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Hasith on July 03, 2015, 09:20:07 AM
I thought I made it clear last time. You 2 don't speak publicly, period. Doesn't matter the reason whatever unless it's a life and death situation. Even if it's life and death just call a mod. So there shouldn't be a next time since this is the second warning. Whoever speak first to other person directly or indirectly get a vacation. And other party Must report it rather than reply or both get a vacation.

Sorry guys but there's nothing else we can do about it. You 2 guys simply can't get along and I don't to have a next time. You both guys are contribute forum in your own unique way and it's really great but just stay completely out of each others way.

It will be really unfortunate if I have to hand over temp ban for either of you since you both are good regular members.  But THIS does not happen again I don't care whatever the reason. Just don't make me do it. There won't be warnings for next time. and That's from right now after my post.

Use PM system if anyone have a question or anything.

I'm heading to this check this beach topic ...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 04, 2015, 04:35:51 AM
You guys need to talk to each other about writing, not your own stories here. I learn that mistake and now I have the strong feeling to talk to others about their writing and mines too. I want to get along with everyone here.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DeAngelus on July 04, 2015, 12:51:28 PM
Sorry I can't be here in time , my phone service provider had to do some emergency servicing , cutting our district's line .

I don't usually come to this thread simply because it's not of my interest (I no longer do writing) but because of a certain someone who PMed me telling me of this argument , I had to come . I've made a long post for it , but decided to keep it away for now due to an unexpected reasons .

You guys need to talk to each other about writing, not your own stories here. I learn that mistake and now I have the strong feeling to talk to others about their writing and mines too. I want to get along with everyone here.
But not with one particular reviewer who so far have been contributing most of the 'proper' reviews I've seen thus far ? I'll send you a PM since I've now decided to not make this dire issue public ... yet (and it's going to tarnish the peace & my account) . But I'll tell you this upfront , my tolerance on your actions is now as thin as hair ...

EDIT : Also , I'll be PMing Operative13 as well since you're included in the PM I've received as well .
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 05, 2015, 01:29:14 AM
What are you opinions on stories about thieves such as Arsene Lupin the Third?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 05, 2015, 10:31:14 AM
To my shame I've never actually gotten into Lupin, everybody tells me it's awesome though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 05, 2015, 11:53:44 PM
It is, best thief story so far, give it a try if you want.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 06, 2015, 01:55:40 AM
Also there's a new anime of Lupin III starting this month, I hope you like it if you want to watch it :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 12, 2015, 08:23:31 AM
Lupin. Will need to find time for that at a point.

Was failing repeatedly to continue my regular writing regimen but finally caught up today by writing 3470 words. I did 1,500 by hand and the rest by borrowing a pc. Its a real struggle by hand and will need lots of tips on how to get into doing that again, but I'm glad I can still write despite technological difficulties
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 12, 2015, 10:24:03 AM
God, I just can't do hand writing. I just can't keep up with my mind when I do it. I'm always like 3 sentences ahead of where my hand is. Drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on July 12, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
That always happens with me.  Actually for me I am thinking of the whole next chapter when i begin to write or type O.O
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on July 12, 2015, 10:56:58 AM
I really want to handwrite one of next projects though... been wanting to do that for a while now... I think it's a more immersive writing experience than doing it on a laptop or computer...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on July 12, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
My style of writing is write on paper first, then type it up, lastly type up storyboards.  Except for my stories Mircowaved and Life of a Pencil which I think of one simple idea then just write on the fly...  But seriously who else besides me writes crazy stories about microwaves taking over the world and pencils trying to live their life to their best...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2015, 06:05:57 AM
It is immersive for sure. And so alien I'm ashamed to say. Used to fill up notebooks with my writings haha. It came so easily to me. An annoyance is that I keep on thinking my handwriting is ugly. I'm not sure yet which is harder in terms of coming up with ideas. On one hand I cant go with my fast flow but on the other a buffer of ideas builds up and I only need to reach them so the slow pace doesn't feel too painstaking

Wrote 1120 words. Fulfilled my quota and continued the Gray Souls collaborative story I've been working with Nomena on. Figured it was time.

Man I'm done with Dystop but still got infinite works in progresses and stuff haha. Well its better than nothing I guess, but I wish I had a more complete bibliography of finished stories and the like.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 13, 2015, 06:40:58 AM
It is immersive for sure. And so alien I'm ashamed to say. Used to fill up notebooks with my writings haha. It came so easily to me. An annoyance is that I keep on thinking my handwriting is ugly. I'm not sure yet which is harder in terms of coming up with ideas. On one hand I cant go with my fast flow but on the other a buffer of ideas builds up and I only need to reach them so the slow pace doesn't feel too painstaking

Wrote 1120 words. Fulfilled my quota and continued the Gray Souls collaborative story I've been working with Nomena on. Figured it was time.

Man I'm done with Dystop but still got infinite works in progresses and stuff haha. Well its better than nothing I guess, but I wish I had a more complete bibliography of finished stories and the like.
Well. At least you have finished stories... must be nice... to have the will to complete even one story.

All I can think about is how ridiculously outrageous the vast majority of my stories are.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2015, 12:06:55 PM
Its less will more like pulling teeth. I gave up on being inspired a long time ago hahahahahahahahahaha




*sob*
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: The SlamJam on July 13, 2015, 12:17:48 PM
Its less will more like pulling teeth. I gave up on being inspired a long time ago hahahahahahahahahaha




*sob*

I know dem feels. It feels like i only started getting inspired again in the last week. (Although i'm talking about art).
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2015, 03:23:26 PM
Well they're problems which both sides face. I just avoid waiting to feel great about what I'm writing, otherwise ill never get anything done
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 13, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
Yeah, my stories are set in the same universe and have different plots so it gets hard to move from one plot to another but I won't give up my years of brainstorming for it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 14, 2015, 05:55:11 AM
How many stories do you have in that universe
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 14, 2015, 07:43:33 AM
That's interesting. I never set my stories In the same universes. I guess it's because they're all different genres and themes I suppose they wouldn't go together well.

But one cohesive universe can lead to some interesting crossovers.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 14, 2015, 09:06:27 AM
I've got a naming theme going on and written two novels with the same concept but wildly varying timelines. Things can get interesting over time yeah

Wrote 1120 words.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 14, 2015, 12:07:03 PM
Perhaps five, one is set in the very ancient past unrecorded in history when 'good and evil' originated, two set in 2018, one setting in 2036 and one setting in a 'doomed ruined' future where only thousands are left alive and is sort of a 'what-if' side story if 'evil' prevails.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 14, 2015, 03:58:23 PM
All of my stories are now officially set in the same universe. In various locales of he galaxy.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on July 14, 2015, 04:08:08 PM
Every one of my story ideas exists independent of the others, but I'd be ready to throw them all into a single crossover fighting game if the opportunity ever arose. ESPECIALLY if they they wouldn't make sense in a fighting game to begin with.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 14, 2015, 06:10:45 PM
The 2018 timelime is when the story starts, continuing into 2036, middle into the story will tell about the forgotten past which only a few knows the truth.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 14, 2015, 06:16:02 PM
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Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on July 14, 2015, 06:30:14 PM
vacant I don't know where you got that image but it's all sorts of broken.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 14, 2015, 06:41:22 PM
What setting you prefer when writing a story? Modern, futuristic or ancient times?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 14, 2015, 07:34:34 PM
Depends on what mood or theme I'd like to explore when writing. I've dabbled in all three before. Each one has different advantages too. For example, a story set in ancient times won't have modern communication or Crime scene analysis or CCTV. So certain plot points can be more easily achieved. Or take a futuristic setting. Someone loses an arm? No problem...give them a cybernetic prosthetic.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 14, 2015, 08:03:00 PM
I like to mix and match. I have a fascination with older time periods (spent five years being super big on the Three Kingdoms period of China 2nd and 3rd century which began before I ever played the Dynasty Warriors games :P) but I like to mess around with futuristic settings too. Writing a futuristic script that has elements of fantasy at the same time as doing a medieval-renaissance period story at the moment but I love the stricter cultures of periods like Three Kingdoms and the conflicts that can emerge from them.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 14, 2015, 08:10:39 PM
I also like to combine modern and ancient through modern humanity's way of thinking and believing in past times that is mostly wrong as they do not know what really happened back then which can twist their beliefs and a way to manipulating their way of thinking.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on July 14, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
What setting you prefer when writing a story? Modern, futuristic or ancient times?

Depends. Would you call the 1950's modern or ancient? Or the 1990's? Those are both solid time periods.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 14, 2015, 08:32:30 PM
It's all about perspective, I can create fantasy worlds better when the time period is medieval or older but like to test myself with future settings. One thing I find very difficult to do however is anything to do with space travel/multiple planets or galaxies. 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 15, 2015, 12:08:40 AM
I only write High-Fantasy Sci-Fi. Because I'm not good with not being able to fly on a dragon instead of inside a metal box that certain people call a 'dreadnought'.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 12:47:14 AM
High Sci Fi means Scifi fantasy right? Like Star Wars rather than Star Trek? Because if so then that's what I lean towards more. Though itd be really cool to write like Greg Bear or Arthur C Clarke.

Recent Hard Sci fi that I read was Absolution Gap by Alistair Reynolds. Ex astronomer and now novelist. Really something else to read. I hope to read more of his books soon.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 15, 2015, 01:27:42 AM
High Sci Fi means Scifi fantasy right? Like Star Wars rather than Star Trek? Because if so then that's what I lean towards more. Though itd be really cool to write like Greg Bear or Arthur C Clarke.

Recent Hard Sci fi that I read was Absolution Gap by Alistair Reynolds. Ex astronomer and now novelist. Really something else to read. I hope to read more of his books soon.
Space Dragons with logical explanations. Is what I lean towards.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 01:35:15 AM
Have there ever been space dragons? I need to read of such immediately
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 15, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Have there ever been space dragons? I need to read of such immediately
I also aim towards originality... so I don't think I've ever heard of space dragons that aren't Mecha... sadly... Maybe Grimlock?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 01:44:35 AM
I have some dragons that live in a crashed spaceship and there was a dragon in Ben 10 that was revealed to be an alien.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
Oh I didn't see that one. And which story is that from?

Grimmlock almost fits the bill. Interesting. I wonder if this is prime territory for exploration. No chance of making it not sound comedic though!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 01:59:43 AM
My story is Melody Box (The "sequel" to Lunar Legend).
It was mentioned in here, but I didn't give much info on it.
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,13227.msg230998.html#msg230998
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 04:27:04 AM
Ah. So they live in that space ship. Does the crash happen in the first story or this one ? Also it seems apocalyptic to me. Gotta wonder how the humans have the strength to take on dragons. I always wonder how they have a chance haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 15, 2015, 05:28:32 AM
Dude putting down your own peeps  :o Humans know their dragon slaying!

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f343/Cozo2005/rmx-i-told-you-to-slay-the-dragon-not-lay-it_o_388508.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/Cozo2005/media/rmx-i-told-you-to-slay-the-dragon-not-lay-it_o_388508.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 05:36:04 AM
Oh hell hahahahaha.

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MK on July 15, 2015, 06:03:07 AM
That was pretty funny XD.  Isn't that supposed to go in you raff you ruse?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 06:23:01 AM
Ah. So they live in that space ship. Does the crash happen in the first story or this one ? Also it seems apocalyptic to me. Gotta wonder how the humans have the strength to take on dragons. I always wonder how they have a chance haha
Do you want some spoilers?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 06:36:43 AM
On second thought no not now. I'll have to get to reading your story at a point when I find the time.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 06:43:06 AM
On second thought no not now. I'll have to get to reading your story at a point when I find the time.
It's not on here. Other than the occasional short story, I'm not going to post it until it is in comic form.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 06:45:52 AM
Ooooh I assumed it was. Then I guess you could spoil it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 07:20:19 AM
Alright, read at your own risk.

Spoiler
"Does the crash happen in the first story or this one?"
It actually happens in between the stories. A long time passes between the two stories and they don't even happen at the same place.

"Also it seems apocalyptic to me."
Melody Box takes place after the human empire has been destroyed. A few planets were missed by the calamity and this story takes place on one of them. After the Event man kind was all but extinct. Civilization reverted back to the basics and eventually man kind began to rise again, however the knowledge of how to use space age technology was lost to time.

"Gotta wonder how the humans have the strength to take on dragons."
Do you want to know the answer to this? And do you have any other questions that you would like to ask?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 02:39:03 PM
Spoiler
ah, interesting. Yeah sure I want to know the answer, unless the comic is coming soon then I can wait properly for the answers.

Just gotta ask how many more dragons are remaining, and if the series ends on this sequel
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on July 15, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
So doesn't look like I'll have the time to make any further progress on writing before I leave :(

I wanted to at least post a re-written chapter 3 of Public Enemy No.2 for you guys but it's not finished yet...

I am also still working on my creative shorts... I hope to hand-write them on the plane over to Canada so that they are ready for typing up when I get back...

Anyways, just wanted to apologise for not living up to any promises I may or may not have made, but things have been pretty hectic this week! (Just had my graduation ceremony in the middle of packing and shopping... so yeah I'm an official graduate now!)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 15, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Congrats man! So you're finally out the door huh. Have a safe and awesome trip dude. And Congratulations!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on July 15, 2015, 04:25:21 PM
I leave on Friday morning... but I'm pre-empting not having a lot of time on MR tomorrow...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 09:54:48 PM
Spoiler
ah, interesting. Yeah sure I want to know the answer, unless the comic is coming soon then I can wait properly for the answers.

Just gotta ask how many more dragons are remaining, and if the series ends on this sequel

Spoiler
Before the Arcane War, dragon's were almost as numerous as humans. During the Arcane War human magicians struggled against the dragons and their allies (traitor magicians). That is, until the invention of "golems" (Hint - My story is also steampunk). With their new creations humans quickly over powered most of the dragon forces. Now there are only a few clans left that have since retreated into the remote places of the world.

I put sequel in quotes because they are actually stand alone stories. Melody Box will have a few minor references to Lunar Legend, but for the most part they could be read separately. There might be another story, but I haven't thought of one yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 15, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
I hate research and figuring out details... yet if I don't I can't develop my stories any farther.  :push:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 15, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
I leave on Friday morning... but I'm pre-empting not having a lot of time on MR tomorrow...
Well this is awkward... I thought you'd be gone right now... -hides scandalous secret anime to review-
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 18, 2015, 02:49:08 AM
Does anyone else struggle with onomatopoeia?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 18, 2015, 03:38:16 AM
Does anyone else struggle with onomatopoeia?
I do not...

...Even know what that means... even after reading the definition.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 18, 2015, 03:43:42 AM
Sound effects.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 18, 2015, 05:49:45 AM
The cow goes shazoo!

In all seriousness, I've yet to reach the point of adding many sound words into anything I've written. This site should help though. Written Sound Dictionary. (http://www.writtensound.com/index.php)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 18, 2015, 05:54:32 AM
I have a few sites like that already bookmarked. My problem is deciding when they are needed in the panels.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 18, 2015, 06:25:54 AM
I'd keep them for both the quiet tense moments (a character hiding and the footsteps of an adversary approaching) and more extreme moments (an explosion going off at the end of a chapter). Those are two very cliche examples but my point is I would use them sparingly. It all depends on your own style though.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2015, 01:54:39 AM
I love onamaetopia. Unless you really go all out with it readers easily choose to tune them out or add them in their reading experience so I try whenever I want. Note that different countries have different ways to sound out sfx

I say other than manga webtoons are great at doing these, since they're translated into words usually and don't sound weird but effective rather e.g I saw 'type type type type' as a sound effect and heard it in my head as keys being struck.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 20, 2015, 04:30:34 AM
I love onamaetopia. Unless you really go all out with it readers easily choose to tune them out or add them in their reading experience so I try whenever I want. Note that different countries have different ways to sound out sfx

I say other than manga webtoons are great at doing these, since they're translated into words usually and don't sound weird but effective rather e.g I saw 'type type type type' as a sound effect and heard it in my head as keys being struck.
I would've wrote keystrokes as something like...

"Tap Tap Tck Tck Tap Tck Tap Tap Tap Tck Tap."

Because writing words out like that is... half-assed? I don't know, that's just how it might come off if you write 'boom' when a grenade explodes. or 'Bang' when a gun is fired.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 20, 2015, 11:09:03 PM
I don't want lot of cliches used for my story, want to try being original but not too much, foreshadowing is a big thing in stories, right?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2015, 11:13:34 PM
That's just a technique and can be done well or not. Cliches mostly come from the characters themselves. Their names personalities and actions, or at least it's character cliches that bore people the most usually. Cheap romance novels recylce the entire plot but still get interest by having different characters involved
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 20, 2015, 11:28:10 PM
Romance not a main thing for my story but for character development I guess. I'm going for shock value with foreshadowing but leaving a few hints to what's actually going to happen and difficult to verified it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2015, 12:20:04 AM
It'll only work as shock value if readers care about the characters, so work on making them interesting and diverse

@Gelmra those are the most sound effective typy effects i have ever not heard
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 21, 2015, 12:32:02 AM
It'll only work as shock value if readers care about the characters, so work on making them interesting and diverse

@Gelmra those are the most sound effective typy effects i have ever not heard
-smirks diabolically-

Spoiler
"When you're not sure what's going on... act like you know exactly what's going on."
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 12:35:06 AM
My main characters are diverse in terms of race and different cultures, wanted to try out that to represent real life issues such as racism and immirgration and for the readers of different backgrounds to relate to.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on July 21, 2015, 09:40:00 AM
But when you try and do the best for readers as a reader, its almost like ur kissing ass. Crossing out fanservice, loooooooong fights, explicit jokes, 'clichés' and what not. By the time you finish crossing everything out, its like pouring out all the spice
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2015, 11:08:34 AM
Best for the readers is always subjective. If you think cliches fanservice long fights and explicit jokes are always bad then you're missing a lot of the response that audience have to this sort of thing.

Also if you try to make a perfectly safe story, no one will want to watch or read it. Or it'll become a mindless toon like Disney tends to be these days.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 21, 2015, 01:46:51 PM
Speaking of cliches:

In a story I'm developing about Immortals, I came up with the idea of their names and personalities being based on the signs of the Chinese Zodiac. Would that be considered an overused cliche in manga? Only one that comes to mind is the brief appearance of the Hunter's Council in Hunter X Hunter but I feel it must've been used a lot more than that lol.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
No I meant I don't want to overuse cliches, I'm using them when I feel it's a good time to do it, I do plan to have scenes that has 'love making', and Akane, not cool telling me that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 04:00:43 PM
How would you think about a story that goes into a darker path?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2015, 04:05:25 PM
You'd have to explain more than that Sword Hero. A story can have all sorts of twists and turns and techniques but people have to care for the characters to be interested... However I tend to like dark stories

@Sherbet definitely raises alarm bells so you just have to play it straight and not be lazy when utilizing the zodiac. Then it can become a fun and engaging platform. Artemis Fowl was about fairies and a boy genius and I thought it was just another book. Blew my socks off that one
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on July 21, 2015, 04:05:53 PM
Using chinese zodiacs is really cool seeing as , so far, only Fruits Basket annd Hunter x Hunter are famously known for doing that.

No I meant I don't want to overuse cliches, I'm using them when I feel it's a good time to do it, I do plan to have scenes that has 'love making', and Akane, not cool telling me that.

 :notunderstand:  wats not cool?

I do like dark stories but it should be realistically not just some sort of woobie fanfic
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 04:14:08 PM
A dark path in my story has the protagonist finding out the truth behind his power and his past which the former he thought it is a power he intended to be used for good but it's usage affects everyone around him to become 'evil'.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 21, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
Does anybody else have the 'idea' trouble?

When I say that I mean it like... you can come up with ideas and jot them down but when you go to write them - it just feels old for you and you don't think anybody will like it but then people like your ideas and writing and you wonder why they do or why you don't like them? Must just be me. Such a complex and personal feeling I suppose.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 04:23:21 PM
Yeah I do, past years I thought about different plots and ideas that I scrapped when I feel it's not working out. Now I almost think I have the right plot in my mind in an attempt to write a single overarching story connected by smaller short stories.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on July 21, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
I call it Crafter's Syndrome. Everything seems awesome and sweet and defo the next bestseller until you really face and then you just make up all these uneccessary flaws and throw it away even though it was really good. I think its just humility, itll wear off after some 300 anonymous compliments.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 21, 2015, 04:27:26 PM
@Sherbet definitely raises alarm bells so you just have to play it straight and not be lazy when utilizing the zodiac. Then it can become a fun and engaging platform. Artemis Fowl was about fairies and a boy genius and I thought it was just another book. Blew my socks off that one

Yeah I know, not wanting to go overboard with appearances to make them look like zodiacs so it'll show more in their personalities with small physical features.

Quote from: AkaneKuromai
Using chinese zodiacs is really cool seeing as , so far, only Fruits Basket annd Hunter x Hunter are famously known for doing that.

Glad to hear it's not already been overused at least haha. Hunter X Hunter really overdid it with the appearances of some of them, may check out Fruits Basket to compare as I've never seen it :P

Quote from: Gelmra-Sensei
Does anybody else have the 'idea' trouble?

When I say that I mean it like... you can come up with ideas and jot them down but when you go to write them - it just feels old for you and you don't think anybody will like it but then people like your ideas and writing and you wonder why they do or why you don't like them? Must just be me. Such a complex and personal feeling I suppose.

All the time Gelmra. I think you've just got to try and churn it out without overthinking about it. Get a good portion done before proof reading because it's very easy to get judgemental on yourself before you've even made real progress. Write as much as you can and just stop yourself reading back on what you've written for a few days. Taking a break before reading what you've done gives a fresher perspective since you're still wrapped up in the zone after writing.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 04:29:10 PM
Best to put your best ideas for people to see and wait for the reaction.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
Good to put a name to the syndrome. It's reason why there are such encouraging writing quotes like 'its easy to write. Just sit at the keyboard and bleed ' and so on and so forth.

Was talking with a friend and I noticed that gaiman wrote Coraline and Ocean At The End of The Lane for his daughter and wife respectively. When you have a grip on a target you're writing for... The less overly high expectations the better your inner editor isn't so acidic and your fear doesn't cripple you so much. Its why fan fictions are such great grounds for creativity since people are writing for audiences knowing they'll accept it in one form of the other. Of course this leads to some horrible stuff, but I think such a positive creative atmosphere is a great thing
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on July 21, 2015, 05:45:33 PM
Yeah, the Zodiac theme's pretty cool. Only other time I remember seeing it besides the aforementioned was in the adventures of Jackie Chan (God I miss that show), where they were talismans that granted special powers.

So I don't think it's overdone and could be very interesting (kinda like the celestial spirits off of fairy tail being linked to astrological signs)

In terms of a dark story. It depends on what you're writing. Is it set up to be a tradegy? A lot of stories have a darker phase. It's very common in three act stories or trilogies. The middle is when all hope seems lost and the world is against our hero (providing you're writing a main character whom we should be rooting for), then they finally over come the odds in an exciting finale.

Another thing I'd say to be wary of is not to oversaturate your story with themes swordhero. Throwing too much at a reader makes it difficult to digest and if there's too many themes (Racism, romance, a hero's struggles with the past, a dozen characters backstories being introduced simultaneously etc.) and it also gives you less time to focus on each of them, thus reducing the potential scope and impact that theme and potential plot point could have.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 21, 2015, 06:08:54 PM
Anyone who didn't love the Adventures of Jackie Chan should be put down by a vet for being terminally depressing. :P

The term "dark story" can mean so many things. Some people consider things like Attack On Titan and Game Of Thrones dark because of how quickly characters you root for can be snatched away. Others just consider a bleak setting with moody characters like Claymore dark. I couldn't even say for sure where the line is for me in manga/anime that something becomes a dark story.  :-\
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 21, 2015, 07:37:54 PM
I finally figured out what my character, Misty's, name was before the story begins. So yay.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 21, 2015, 07:49:32 PM
Glad it's coming together Robin, have you got a link to your stuff?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 21, 2015, 07:52:43 PM
Glad it's coming together Robin, have you got a link to your stuff?
I haven't put my main stories online. I did put together a "short story" that I posted here if you want a link.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on July 21, 2015, 07:56:47 PM
Send it my way :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 21, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,12742.0.html (http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,12742.0.html)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: SwordHero16 on July 21, 2015, 11:46:36 PM
I have one theme for the story, the issues are just for each of the characters who they have to go through to give them development and won't be in the main plot.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2015, 07:24:50 AM
Oh, a general question for writers. What word processing software do you use? If any.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Peraso on August 02, 2015, 07:34:42 AM
I have always found Microsoft Word to be the ideal one for me due to its performance and overall content, but that is on PC. On a tablet I use Google Docs and it does work great on mobile devices. Plus, one can store documents online, open from a mobile device, and makes some quick change or if not continue on your work. Both softwares are great.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2015, 07:40:33 AM
I've never considered Google Docs for writing. That could be pretty useful yeah. Especially with my track record with computers haha.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 02, 2015, 08:31:18 AM
I'm insanely disorganized with my writing. I have excerpts on Wordpad, Microsoft Word, OpenOffice and even Notepad between my desktop and my laptop. Strangely enough, some of my longest pieces are still on notepad, I don't mind the presentation so long as I get what's in my mind written down, can sort through it when it's nearly finished.

If I put them all together, I could have an encyclopedia of MisterSherbetLemon nonsense.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2015, 08:34:04 AM
I actually use Wordpad a lot because of the lack of the redlining (though you can turn that off in MS Word...). The writing just flows that much better.

I actually have two notepads called Muse and Earaer. One I fill with random notes and ideas the other I write poetry in
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 02, 2015, 08:37:01 AM
I have a mountain of papers because I have a weird habit of ripping pages out of notepads after I've written on them. I don't tear them up or throw them away, i just cleanly tear them and put them in the mountain.

We all have our ticks i'm sure.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2015, 09:00:22 AM
That seems like a particularly special one hahaha. Ever written with a pencil before?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: RPGlitchy on August 02, 2015, 09:53:30 AM
I just use microsoft word for all my writing. Haha. My friend has been trying to get me to move onto google docs, but until they put in a thesaurus. I'm reluctant to give up my easy two click access to the dictionary.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 02, 2015, 10:19:02 AM
I have a lot on my Dracone project written down with pencil but usually I type. I used to have a notebook on me at all times for writing down ideas.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on August 02, 2015, 11:21:07 AM
Microsoft word, like y'should be using.

seriously, it's been around and refined for so long, you really just can't complain.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on August 03, 2015, 02:24:27 AM
My greatest resource and method of sounding a bit smarter: Thesaurus.com
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 03, 2015, 11:10:35 AM
Oh man Gelmra this website is actually pretty fun! Even better is that the writers from my country tend to use bombastic words out of nowhere. I'm sure they'd love this site haha.

I might as well join the trend
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lovus Eternius on August 06, 2015, 04:33:40 AM
IT is indeed fun searching for words that have the same meaning as more commonly used words... and using uncommon words that other people don't understand.

Like: Enrapture.

YES... THE POWER OF THAT WORD!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 09, 2015, 08:09:55 AM
Research is being a huge issue.

How the heck do you pick up a topic, pick out interesting details and filter them into your story in a convincing way?

Forget about researching for foreign countries even haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 09, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
That's been a problem for me too. The rule is "write about what you know," right? So if you're going to write about something you don't know well, you have to learn as much as you can about it so that you do know. How do I do that?

I was looking at the "thanks" section of my copy of Memoirs of a Geisha. The author made several trips to Japan and talked to several geisha's about their lives and childhoods, as well as experts on Japanese culture and mannerisms, as well as just Japanese people who grew up during World War II. He also read a lot of Japanese poetry which greatly informed the prose style. Thing is, not everybody has the resources (or is dedicated enough) to do this. So what other ways can we write while looking like we know what we're doing?

We write from experience, so, essentially, what those authors are doing is deliberately experiencing something so they're able to write about it. Often, the reason we choose characters with certain lifestyles or who live in a certain place, is because we've experienced them in movies, TV Shows, books, etc. I can write an imitation version of Memoirs of a Geisha once I've finished it. A lot of writers, especially screenwriters, rely on this instead of actual research. If they are writing a mafioso, they watch the Godfather, instead of interviewing actual mafiosos or mafia experts. At best, they'll read a book on them or watch a documentary. This is one solution. It does not match up to actual research, but the reader may not be able to tell the difference. (Note: This is why you have a lot of unrealistic tropes in film, so beware).

The other solution is that we can simply write about what we've already experienced. Harper Lee did this, John Kennedy Toole did this, etc. We can write almost literally about it, or we can abstract that experience into something else. I can describe and personify run-down southern American towns well because I've seen a lot of them. Many people base their characters on people they know, and write about places and cultures they've experienced (or the equivalent in their fictional universe).

For the average writer who cannot travel to the place they want to write, they are probably going to want to use a bit of both of these.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 09, 2015, 03:56:07 PM
Maybe I should go into an insane research mode.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 10, 2015, 01:54:24 AM
Reading books on the subject helps. Just go to your university's library. It's literally there for research.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Lumaria on August 10, 2015, 02:12:26 AM
It really depends "how" deep you want to make a story follow a certain part of history and/or society and/or skill set. If you want to know the "behind the scenes" information, then yes, do what Memoirs of a Geisha has made, then go travel and speak to these people. you dont have to speak to them face to face or travel. you can skype or find an intermediary.

But if you're mostly trying to be unique, and not trying to follow the common tropes of it. then get the bare basics, and may be a little more after that, and make sure your story is saying "we're not trying to be the historically accurate, but the unique/misfit/maverick type that no one knew about"
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 10, 2015, 01:41:37 PM
Looks like I'll need to go for a balance to be realistic. Maybe I can escape by writing surrealist literature.

Oh, another question. I'm tasting the bitter medicine of being a complete beginner in a language and have decided to write 100-300 words every day in German. Now I know how it feels to be a complete beginner in a language.

I can usually churn out tips for absolute beginner writers in English, but now I know how real the struggle is.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 10, 2015, 01:49:40 PM
Learn the way anybody learns a language. Immersion. Watch films in that language (without subtitles if you can), read books (possibly kids books first) in that language, so you can get a feel for the usage of certain words. If you encounter words you don't know, have a German dictionary in hand (not a German-to-English dictionary mind you) and read the German definition of that word. If there are words in that definition you don't know, look those up, and repeat until you can put it together. But you should probably have a level of competency in the language before you do some of these things.

That's all I got really. It comes from no experience at all trying to write in another language.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 10, 2015, 01:51:27 PM
Haha, still helpful tips. I guess I'm using the english-german dictionary too much. That's why I bought a german grammatik book.

Damn. I'll need to do some serious chopping of my English based media if I'm to get anywhere.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 11, 2015, 06:59:55 PM
DAMMIT IT HAPPENED AGAIN.

I was writing a super hero story and was looking in the tv troupes pages for web serials just for fun and found a humungous popular web serial called Worm. It completely defeated me. I have no words. I hate this crippling jealousy dammit.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on August 12, 2015, 01:16:11 PM
This has probably been posted a bajillion times. It's pretty old. But I'mma post it again:
https://iwl.me
 (https://iwl.me)

I just revisited it for fun and there is probably a decent-sized margin of error, but I figured it would give me some names of authors I might find interesting.

I got David Foster Wallace twice.  :hmm:  I mean to read Infinite Jest when I get the chance. Both texts were more character oriented, and the characters in it were very relatable people. I know that DFW, despite his intelligence, tried as much as possible to be an ordinary, unpretentious everyman. I'm guessing he wrote very relatable characters as well.

And I got Dan Brown twice. Likely because of the historical and religious themes in the texts I used. Have never read anything of his, but I always got the impression I wouldn't like it that much.

And I got Arthur Conan Doyle once. I think I can see why, although I can't really think of how to explain it. Something to do with small details, and subjective reactions and perception described vividly. 

But yeh, I think I'm going to pick up a David Foster Wallace book after I finish one of the books I'm reading. I also kinda wanna see that new movie about him.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2015, 05:21:36 PM
Who in the world is Margaret Artwood? Damn. I want to be able to write like Hemingway.

I like little apps like these. The Hemingway App is also a favourite. Then theres the 7th Sanctum for crazy character generations. Always a blast.

In other news I'm adding writing 300 words of german per day to my writing regimen. Which means I have to write 700 english words a day and 300 german. The thing is the german is being impossible, so I've decided to go 'tracing'... except with novels.

I'm going to type out a german novel I've been wanting to read on the side to fulfill that quote. Hopefully by some freaky osmosis I'll learn the proper way to write the language, because coming up with words on my own was proving to be pretty hefty. I can do that in english with no problem but mein gott...

Anyways, I'll see how this turns out. All I can say is that the first session went really well. I definitely at the very least learnt a word or two. And I can tell that I need practice because I still need to look on my keyboard for where the special chararacters öäü and ß are. If anything I'll be able to touch type in this language too.

Reminds me of the training I did with tracing Bleach pages for that Insane Massive Training Workshop. I didn't learn anatomy or anything, but that definitely helped me with coming up with panel ideas and seeing into the mind of Kubo a little bit. Since recently I've been in training mode rather than making projects I might as well consider making studies on that front.

Random thoughts
 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on August 12, 2015, 11:14:02 PM
I write like Douglas Adams? Yeah, I can live with that.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Funkermonster on August 19, 2015, 03:24:40 AM
So I made a synopsis of a manga I plan and introduction to its characters to make in the story developmnt boards about a day ago, its been about a day and its only got 11 views and 0 comments so far. I know I'm being impatient, but I really am itching to hear what people think of it (if anybody's willing to help, I can link to it). I cannot publish anything right now since I'm only 16 and am still in high school, but within the next few years I wanna find a way where I can start with it. With said series I'm making I've taken at least a 2-year headstart in pre-planning it: I know who my main characters are, a few supporting characters, the general plot synopsis, and I've made some attempts to draw some of the characters. But now that I've done those, I dunno what I should do next. Should I keep practicing my art skills until I am totally satisfied? Should I try to get the first chapter/issue down? Is there something more important than either of those that I may be missing? Basically my question is, when you start your own manga series, what do you think would be the most important steps to starting it after you got the synopsis and the main cast? After I did that I feel I hit a roadblock and I don't know what to do next.

I also still await critiques on it before doing much, as I want to know if people even think its a good concept in the first place. If its reception is too bad, I'll just have to throw it away sadly
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 19, 2015, 05:47:44 AM
Well usually if you want people to read your stories you should try reading others. Over time people feel inclined to read yours. There's also Review Swaps if you're interested http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,13165.msg224014.html#msg224014

As for stories be careful of trashing them because of critiques. It seems like you've worked on it for a long time so it'd really be a shame to just toss out a story just like that
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Funkermonster on August 19, 2015, 02:19:31 PM
That's not a bad idea, actually. Could never have thought of it on my own, thanks for pointing it out. I think I will look for some others' stories to read, should earn me a bit more attention from others' and it should be fun to do anyways. The last post in the review swaps thread was in July, it doesn't seem to be very active but I'll give it ago and see if I get anything out of it anyways. And yeah, been planning my story concept for quite a few months now, and to just throw it all away does sound pretty ridiculous so I highly doubt I'll do it. But at the same time, I occasionally worry that if no one's even going to read or like it in the first place, it would have all been a wasted effort.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2015, 06:37:47 PM
Question, would a story like Bayonette ever work out as a novel? As in if it originally came out as a novel. I'm wondering how video game characters who's primary skill is to kick ass would be taken in written form.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Nairbons on August 21, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
Question, would a story like Bayonette ever work out as a novel? As in if it originally came out as a novel. I'm wondering how video game characters who's primary skill is to kick ass would be taken in written form.

A story LIKE Bayonetta? Sure! Actually using the story of Bayonetta? Good luck with that. Most of Platinum Studios' stories are weird nonsense that VERY loosely hold together cool gameplay setpieces, but Bayo 1 takes the cake.

I'm convinced that you can write a good story about just about anything if you can find the right way to do it. Having a main character be so casually overpowered in their everyday life would be a fun read. If you aren't already doing so, maybe go check out One Punch Man.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2015, 08:31:53 PM
Oh dude you have no idea how much I'm reading One Punch Man hahaha. Can't believe the anime is just around the corner. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on August 22, 2015, 04:35:22 AM
*perks head up at the mention of One Punch Man*

I'm afraid I've never played Bayonetta, so I cant speak for the story. But I'd echo the sentiment of Nair. Pretty much anything can be adapted into a novel, or indeed into other any other media.

I guess it just depends on what you add/omit or adjust. The walking Dead and Game of Thrones tv shows have a plethora of differences to their source materials.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 22, 2015, 09:51:19 AM
Mwahaha you guy have been reading that too then? Awesomeness


One Punch Man really knows what it's doing, and now that I think of it Vampire Hunter D does this perfectly well.

What have you people been writing recently 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on August 26, 2015, 01:06:19 PM
What do you guys think about a story based on a russian university? A plain, kind of bpring but smart male protagonist lives with his three female cousins in a Russian uni. Although there are main characters, im thinking making it a slice of life like gintama, so it follows other students who may or may not meet the main characters and have their own unique personalities and backstories. Its also set in a smaller town so news spreads quick, diseases and drought hit hard. I want to make it psychological because its going to follow these students in conditions much different than their home and most of all, life without their lived ones.

So, what do you guys think? Of course, I'd need an artist tho  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 26, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
University in Russia? Just that makes me interested in reading it. You could get a lot of interest if you put as man realistic references as possible rather than having it simply be an anime with a Russian university as a background.

Other than that I'm bad with drama stories that don't have monsters and explosions. You'll need some interesting dialogue there and interesting personalities, and knowing manga/anime that's very possible... I mean they can make a calligraphy anime interesting for goodness sake haha
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on August 26, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
 I know. Gintama does it, they make everything so heartfelt and dramatic from scaring people to making dango. And then they add that bit of comedy that somehow isn't offensive to women and they rarely resort to fanservice or ecchi. Man, I love gintama
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 26, 2015, 01:27:33 PM
I want to actually read the manga, because it is indeed something else.

If only I didn't lose so many braincells reading it. Too hilarious sometimes
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 26, 2015, 03:44:25 PM
Gintama's one manga I really want to get into but find trouble getting started with. Read the first few chapters but think the length of it intimidates me because once I begin something I like I MUST finish it asap.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 26, 2015, 03:52:44 PM
Haha you can always go with the anime. The gags carry on so well there I don't even know if the manga will manage to keep up with it
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Funkermonster on August 26, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
What would you think of a comic/manga series starring 4 characters? I've got my series planned with 4 characters that I've put a lot of thought and work into over the past couple months, centering mainly around sci-fi action, and slice of life. I made 4 characters for my series, and I originally intended for all of them to share the spotlight in a way and not really have one definitive protagonist: Like each issue's story can focus on one of the four and cycle trough from time to time, and whoever it's following may have his/herself appear inside the comic's logo or something. On rare occasions, I could maybe even do that with a character/group of characters who aren't part of the main 4 to make some subplots and a little diversion from that. But one of my 4 characters is a superhero/schoolboy so I felt that he would end up giving the series the most depth and impact of the story along with interacting with its setting and other characters the most often because of that, so I chose to make him the driving force of it and being a superhero is the only reason I made this choice. Even so, I find myself attached to other 3 too much to ignore them and I still want to do the multi-character issue idea I originally planned. But I might end up losing focus on the real star of the show and lose focus of what the story was about, so not everyone might might share my view and be on board with this plan.

 So I just wanted get some opinions on whether it'd be okay to do this and if you think most readers would too. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 27, 2015, 05:11:11 AM
If you have a star of the show then you have 1 main character with 3 supporting characters. You can still have multi character stories with someone who will turn out to be favourites, but if you deliberately make him shine then it might not be what you're aiming for.
 
Other than that it's not easy to say what to do because I know tonnes of superheroes off the top of my head. Heck I could make one up that shoots lasers from his hands. What's important is how the characters interact in the world and not necessarily what they can do.

What's the story about?
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Operative13 on August 27, 2015, 05:19:02 AM
If you need an example of multi-protagonist stories, look no further than Durarara!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Akane on August 27, 2015, 06:08:50 AM
Gintama and Baccano do it too. I do it too. The idea I posted above also follows more than 100 characters.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on August 27, 2015, 07:12:28 PM
Well, while you have one man who is considered the main protagonist, there's always ample opportunity in a story to shine a spotlight on the supporting cast. Often this is done by having a story arc that centers around them and their motives/issues/goals, an adversary that is from their past and the main character simply assists them (While they develop their relationship further with said supporting cast member)



 
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Funkermonster on August 28, 2015, 03:01:13 AM
If you have a star of the show then you have 1 main character with 3 supporting characters. You can still have multi character stories with someone who will turn out to be favourites, but if you deliberately make him shine then it might not be what you're aiming for.
 
Other than that it's not easy to say what to do because I know tonnes of superheroes off the top of my head. Heck I could make one up that shoots lasers from his hands. What's important is how the characters interact in the world and not necessarily what they can do.

What's the story about?
I'll try to make it as short as I can:

Its about a 15 year old ninja-in-training schoolboy who steals hi-tech super weapons from a private science & military corporation after spying on them and sneaking by, who planned to use them to attack his hometown & its civilians on a conquest, quite possibly for world domination. He makes his own superhero alter ego (haven't come up with a good name for it yet though) and costume to conceal his identity from them and everyone else, beginning to live a double life as a school student and crime-fighter.  As he holds their weapons, he becomes wanted by them and they begin to hunt him down with a mission to destroy him, and as long as they are bent on world domination he is forced to spend much of his time keeping an eye on and fighting them. As he does this though he grows to dislike his new job as he sacrifices is time for his hobbies, school life, and worst of all: time to spend with his 3 best friends, starting to isolate himself from them and leading his gang to become suspicious of him and question his loyalty. But as he tries to conceal his double life, its difficult to let them know what he's doing and what he's going through,  To up the ante, he has unluckily allowed a civilian girl to catch a glimpse of one of his battles and discover his identity, and has recorded it on video. She has taken a personal interest in him and becomes involved in his missions, acting as his one and only partner in his war and helping him out in whatever ways she can. At the same time though, she also blackmails him using the video she recorded to force him to do whatever she wants him to, otherwise she'll upload it to the internet for all to see and potentially jeopardize his mission and even his life; essentially making her his new frenemy. How long can or will he keep this up? Is his secret safe with that girl? Is there something he can do to protect his friends and is friendship?

The synopsis kinda sucks atm and I'm still workin' on it (specifically on shortening the description somehow, something I generally struggle with in general), but I hope it at least lets you see where its going. Basically want to make subplots for his 3 friends I mentioned and show what goes on with them at home, with each other, or when their friend is not too busy with his escapades.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on August 28, 2015, 04:58:15 AM
Man that is quite the wacky story. Seems like it could have a lot of potential to be both hilarious and serious at the same time. I'd say start working on how they look in your head I guess, try to make them more alive before you start working on it.

I can only ask a few questions

1- How does a super high tech company fail to record him when a girl with a video camera gets him on tape?

2- Aren't the weapons trackeable somehow? How does he keep them without being avoided.

3- As for saving the world does he fight big monsters in the city or something?

4- Is he a solo ninja or belongs to a family of ninjas or something?

Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 28, 2015, 05:51:27 AM
1- How does a super high tech company fail to record him when a girl with a video camera gets him on tape?

2- Aren't the weapons trackeable somehow? How does he keep them without being avoided.

Hack their systems? They'd all be connected while the video camera is remote.

Weapon tracers could be deactivated also, I'd suggest giving your protagonist a computer wiz friend or accomplice to accomplish hacks like that rather than giving the protagonist all the skill sets, gives him someone to bounce conversation off of regarding the more secretive stuff he does.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Funkermonster on August 28, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
Man that is quite the wacky story. Seems like it could have a lot of potential to be both hilarious and serious at the same time. I'd say start working on how they look in your head I guess, try to make them more alive before you start working on it.

I can only ask a few questions

1- How does a super high tech company fail to record him when a girl with a video camera gets him on tape?

2- Aren't the weapons trackeable somehow? How does he keep them without being avoided.

3- As for saving the world does he fight big monsters in the city or something?

4- Is he a solo ninja or belongs to a family of ninjas or something?

Thanks! Been trying to find some unique ideas, and this gives me a good sign. As for your questions

1. This is a bit difficult to answer, I'm still working on the scene of him obtaining the weapons and haven't thought that far yet. I'm thinking of hacking their systems like mistersherbert said for now while he was in disguise. When he met the girl, he didn't notice her prescence and took off his mask at a bad time while she was recording in a dark plce or something, unluckily revealing himself to her and her camera. I dunno honestly, still working out on a few important kinks, and I'm glad you pointed this out. I gotta work on my common sense...
2. Nope, they don't have any tracking devices or anything.
3. Big monsters is a possibility, yeah. Haven't decided exactly what yet, but I do plan to pit him against other villains besides just the military. What's on my mind now are mutant animals, robots, maybe aliens, stand a lone super villains, or basically anything that would work in a sci-fi setting. I don't wanna plan too far ahead just yet though.
4. Solo.
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Hack their systems? They'd all be connected while the video camera is remote.

Weapon tracers could be deactivated also, I'd suggest giving your protagonist a computer wiz friend or accomplice to accomplish hacks like that rather than giving the protagonist all the skill sets, gives him someone to bounce conversation off of regarding the more secretive stuff he does.

Wow.... this is something that slipped my mind: that's not a bad idea, actually. Funny you should say this, because I originally did give him a partner like that, but somewhere along the way I lost interest in the idea and replaced him with that girl I was talking about before. But I'm not sure I wanna go with that: I actually kinda intended to have him work by himself for the most part and having only 1 partner at most, as the idea is to make his job even more difficult to manage when he's got to do all of the fighting and no one else is around to tackle his enemies. Also one part of his personality is that he's independent and has a tendency to refuse help when its offered to him, as he is somewhat prideful and doesn't enjoy roping others into his jams. That girl I mentioned has taken a liking to him and tries to help him out in just about anyway but also blackmails him into going on missions of her own and occupying even more of his time than before, and at times he may even try to refuse her help since his job is dangerous and she's still a civilian who lacks superpowers, weapons, or things like that. While she tries to support him and is the only one who can know , at the same time she's still got footage of him and is using that against him for her own personal benefit and creating even more stress for him than he previously had, even she hardly counts as a partner and that's why I wanted to throw her in there. I wouldn't have problems with making her a computer whiz, but I sense that would be a problem at the beginning since I had the two meet after he became a crime fighter, and now that I think about it I'm probably gonna have to either change these parts a bit and revise it, or make another partner for him to fit that bill. Your idea definitely would make more sense, but it kinda goes against what I was originally trying to do since I only wanted him to have 1 teammate, who hardly even counts as a teammate.

I think I'll be spending quite a bit of time thinking about this, thanks for pointing that out. I would've missed this plothole if you hadn't brought it up
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 28, 2015, 10:14:22 PM
While it may seem a little typical to have a partner in crime, I think for this story it works extremely well, I dont believe anything is "typical" or "cliche" if it fits well with the story.

I think the main thing to put you off is the idea of maintaining such a character. It works well but with a side character having such a crucial role in the story means you will have to build up their role into a major one. For example, I'm currently watching Chuck on Netflix and the protagonist's best friend is finally being inducted into their spy life (pardon the spoilers). This leads to stranger situations because the best friend is generally an unusual guy to begin with. Depending on the personality you choose, having a hacker as a close friend/associate (e.g. Similar situation to "Chuck" where this character is a best friend or taking an alternative route where the hacker is less of a friend and more of an associate that has been roped into something they're not prepared for), this character can become a major player that grips your audience and affects how the story plays out, beginning with small things and building up to major contributions in order to help the protagonist.

I don't mean this as  a way to dictate your story, I'm just offering potential arcs for your storyline and I do hope it opens up possibilities for you even if my posts on their own offer little variety. :P I do think it's crucial for your protagonist to have someone to bounce opinions off of even if they don't directly affect the story, it's a very difficult thing to write a riveting story where a main character acts completely solo and even having a confidante who has little to offer other than an ear to listen can be much more effective than trying to write inner monologues on a regular basis that would likely bore the reader/viewer. It is feasible but I feel readers/viewers enjoy a story where a protagonist has a confidante or at the very least, some kind of chemistry with someone who is trustworthy and/or always on the edge of discovering the truth of what the protagonist is up to while unknowingly aiding them in small ways. This advice is kinda going along the realm of mainstream drama shows but I genuinely believe it implements just as well into anime/manga when portrayed correctly. Trust me, if this advice suits right with your idea for the story, the potential story arcs will lay themselves out for you as you write them. Some things just tie perfectly together in a story as you build it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on August 28, 2015, 10:23:45 PM
Wow.... this is something that slipped my mind: that's not a bad idea, actually. Funny you should say this, because I originally did give him a partner like that, but somewhere along the way I lost interest in the idea and replaced him with that girl I was talking about before. But I'm not sure I wanna go with that: I actually kinda intended to have him work by himself for the most part and having only 1 partner at most, as the idea is to make his job even more difficult to manage when he's got to do all of the fighting and no one else is around to tackle his enemies. Also one part of his personality is that he's independent and has a tendency to refuse help when its offered to him, as he is somewhat prideful and doesn't enjoy roping others into his jams. That girl I mentioned has taken a liking to him and tries to help him out in just about anyway but also blackmails him into going on missions of her own and occupying even more of his time than before, and at times he may even try to refuse her help since his job is dangerous and she's still a civilian who lacks superpowers, weapons, or things like that. While she tries to support him and is the only one who can know , at the same time she's still got footage of him and is using that against him for her own personal benefit and creating even more stress for him than he previously had, even she hardly counts as a partner and that's why I wanted to throw her in there. I wouldn't have problems with making her a computer whiz, but I sense that would be a problem at the beginning since I had the two meet after he became a crime fighter, and now that I think about it I'm probably gonna have to either change these parts a bit and revise it, or make another partner for him to fit that bill. Your idea definitely would make more sense, but it kinda goes against what I was originally trying to do since I only wanted him to have 1 teammate, who hardly even counts as a teammate.

I think I'll be spending quite a bit of time thinking about this, thanks for pointing that out. I would've missed this plothole if you hadn't brought it up

I don't see why you can't have both the girl and the partner, this can offer up intriguing yet unnecessary conflicts (as in two people who want the best for the protagonist but have very different ideas as to what that is) which eventually leads to uneasy alliances between them when things get very difficulty for the protagonist. Try to remember that the protagonist may be the key to the main plot but that doesn't mean they have to be in the spotlight throughout the entirety of the main plot. Other characters can find times to shine which may affect the protagonist for better or worse, leading to captivating moments of doubt, concern and excitement for those who follow such a series.

EDIT: Also I just want to say I like the idea of your story and see a lot of potential in it. All you need to do is refine the possibilities of characters outside of your protagonist that can alter the story. In terms of mainstream manga/anime, the majority bring major plots into the mix that involve side characters so that readers/viewers can see that there is greater depth of the story beyond the scope of your protagonist. I believe that the greatest stories are told not only by the hero's perspective but by the people around him and how those people are affected by the protagonist. Bringing a deeper story to those characters in general and following it up with how they change for better (or worse) because of the protagonist will improve the depth of your story.

Double Edit: I hope this seems as constructive advice as I aimed it to be but if not I'll warn now I'm typing while dealing with a major fever haha :P I hope this helps!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 14, 2015, 04:49:49 PM
Hey people, got a question, since I always do NaNoWrimo as it comes around and I'm usually free, I thought we should also do another writer sort of event that month.

How about we have November as a communal reading month? Like we make sure we read eachother's stories and stuff? I don't know whether people are free then or not though.

Could totally shift it to other months, heck even some time next year, but I thought it'd be nice if we improved the feedback amongst us active members on the forum.


Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on September 14, 2015, 04:57:16 PM
Dude!!!! I was brainstorming something similar. Having something like a book club of sorts!!!

People sign up and they are that day/weeks "featured" member. The others who have signed up have to read their story or at least some of it and review it. (Maybe even have a pm of questions about the work, like background stuff, influences etc. as if it were an AMA or something)

The beauty would be that it would go around the table. So everyone would be guaranteed to be in the mix and have people read/review their work.

EDIT: Might work best in a smaller group. Say 5-6 people per group or something. Then whoevers last wouldnt have to wait too long (after all, it would be a shame if after someone got reviewed they then just dropped out)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 14, 2015, 05:00:03 PM
Sounds like a plan I say. The featured member thing is actually something I considered too. A PM like that, even if it's in a detached survey mode would give really useful feedback to authors.

And exactly on that last point. Everyone would be involved.

I just don't know which month would be optimal for it to happen. I don't want to wait too long, but also don't want to clash with too many of the active members' daily lives and stuff
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MissChurro on September 14, 2015, 05:01:35 PM
I'm not great at reviewing stories, but I actually have been wanting to read more and practice reviewing, and Vacant's book club set up is a really good idea! I'd definitely try to take part in that. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 14, 2015, 05:07:25 PM
Then that's two RSVPs Vacant, when you're ready set it up and I'm in
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: alphabunny91 on September 17, 2015, 08:55:46 PM
This is amazing... I'm glad I can find a place to share my ideas and get them out in the open.  :clapping:

When I have writers block, I vegetate... Either I sit on my ass when I'm not working and watch Netflix, anime, or I go out into the real world. Sometimes, I don't even vegetate and just occupy myself entirely to clear my head. Recently, my story has morphed to the point where I get inspiration from real life things that have happened to me, things I'm involved with, or things that I've seen or heard from people I know or people on the internet. Sometimes, when I see something, I think "Would this kind of scene fit in my story?"

My work (read: child) is called Love Asylum, originally called Lady Prince. It originally started as a one-shot to parody rom-com anime and Asian dramas. I was making fun of Hana Yori Dango (Boys Over Flowers, Meteor Garden) because I was so tired of the female protagonist being portrayed as unable to speak for herself or not speaking to clear misunderstandings... or giving too many f**ks. So I made the female lead the antithesis of all that embodies female lead stereotypes, especially in Asian dramas. Not only was she a tomboy rebel, but she was bisexual, smoked, drank, had a sailor mouth, and did whatever she wanted because she hated everyone. She would kick your a** if you got on her nerves and she doesn't slap. She punches lol The male lead was a punked-out version of Domyouji but I purposely made him to be a douchebag. The school was literally just like Eitoku. This started back in 2005 when the drama came out and I was getting irritated with a lot of Japanese and Korean dramas at the time.

Over the years, my story morphed so much. The characters turned from satirical to having personalities that are more realistic (sometimes exaggerated for comedic relief). I wanted to see how things would fit in a Korean version of a Taiwanese version, just like how those countries made their own versions of BBF. I stuck to Korea for a myriad of reasons (though I do plan to use the original Japanese characters for a Japanese version). Now, my story does make fun of things in dramas and anime, but it's not a parody. The female protagonist is the antithesis of the antithesis xD. I changed the title to Love Asylum for this reason. LA contains themes involving the dark web, rape, sex, drugs, mental illness, corporate crime, internet crime, the LGBT community and how they are viewed in Korea vs the rest of the world... in other words, it's an 18+ story.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: alphabunny91 on September 17, 2015, 08:57:44 PM
Sounds like a plan I say. The featured member thing is actually something I considered too. A PM like that, even if it's in a detached survey mode would give really useful feedback to authors.

And exactly on that last point. Everyone would be involved.

I just don't know which month would be optimal for it to happen. I don't want to wait too long, but also don't want to clash with too many of the active members' daily lives and stuff

I work from home (borderline hikkikomori status lol) so I tend to have a lot of free time after work. I would like to join if possible.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Robin Ryuu on September 17, 2015, 09:35:58 PM
It's funny how stories can evolve sometimes. One of my stories was practically a genderbend of American Dragon. Now I bet no one could guess that it had been.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2015, 07:45:14 AM
This is amazing... I'm glad I can find a place to share my ideas and get them out in the open.  :clapping:

When I have writers block, I vegetate... Either I sit on my ass when I'm not working and watch Netflix, anime, or I go out into the real world. Sometimes, I don't even vegetate and just occupy myself entirely to clear my head. Recently, my story has morphed to the point where I get inspiration from real life things that have happened to me, things I'm involved with, or things that I've seen or heard from people I know or people on the internet. Sometimes, when I see something, I think "Would this kind of scene fit in my story?"

My work (read: child) is called Love Asylum, originally called Lady Prince. It originally started as a one-shot to parody rom-com anime and Asian dramas. I was making fun of Hana Yori Dango (Boys Over Flowers, Meteor Garden) because I was so tired of the female protagonist being portrayed as unable to speak for herself or not speaking to clear misunderstandings... or giving too many f**ks. So I made the female lead the antithesis of all that embodies female lead stereotypes, especially in Asian dramas. Not only was she a tomboy rebel, but she was bisexual, smoked, drank, had a sailor mouth, and did whatever she wanted because she hated everyone. She would kick your a** if you got on her nerves and she doesn't slap. She punches lol The male lead was a punked-out version of Domyouji but I purposely made him to be a douchebag. The school was literally just like Eitoku. This started back in 2005 when the drama came out and I was getting irritated with a lot of Japanese and Korean dramas at the time.

Over the years, my story morphed so much. The characters turned from satirical to having personalities that are more realistic (sometimes exaggerated for comedic relief). I wanted to see how things would fit in a Korean version of a Taiwanese version, just like how those countries made their own versions of BBF. I stuck to Korea for a myriad of reasons (though I do plan to use the original Japanese characters for a Japanese version). Now, my story does make fun of things in dramas and anime, but it's not a parody. The female protagonist is the antithesis of the antithesis xD. I changed the title to Love Asylum for this reason. LA contains themes involving the dark web, rape, sex, drugs, mental illness, corporate crime, internet crime, the LGBT community and how they are viewed in Korea vs the rest of the world... in other words, it's an 18+ story.


Hm, I'm not exactly familiar with asian dramas, but moving to having more realistic personalities is always a good thing. It's fun to be realistic while still prodding at the edges of what could be considered unbelievable, which is where the best characters come from in my opinion.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: alphabunny91 on September 18, 2015, 01:07:33 PM
Most of the Asian dramas I refer to were originally derived from manga and anime or webtoons. But even if they aren't, a lot of Asian drama tropes are pretty close to anime tropes, only slightly less exaggerated to fit "real life" standards (when in real life, people still don't act like that).

Some Japanese dramas try to emulate anime expressions and it looks hilarious when they do it xD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Funkermonster on September 25, 2015, 04:08:22 PM
Does anyone have any tips on writing a one-shot or first chapter of your story to start things off smoothly? I have this story I'm working with, I'm not exactly starting on writing the chapters just yet (I'm learning how to properly draw the important characters, backgrounds, and stuff before I start on it), but I have been thinking of some cool plot ideas that I will roll out eventually when I get to them. The problem is, most of the ideas would come along mid-way or very late, and I still can't come up with a clear and cool beginning so that said ideas would make enough sense when I get to them, and I'm having trouble my particular story's introduction especially for pacing issues. I feel I'm worrying too much about the middle and ignoring the beginning, and I dunno what to do.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DevilPogoStick on September 25, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
Does anyone have any tips on writing a one-shot or first chapter of your story to start things off smoothly? I have this story I'm working with, I'm not exactly starting on writing the chapters just yet (I'm learning how to properly draw the important characters, backgrounds, and stuff before I start on it), but I have been thinking of some cool plot ideas that I will roll out eventually when I get to them. The problem is, most of the ideas would come along mid-way or very late, and I still can't come up with a clear and cool beginning so that said ideas would make enough sense when I get to them, and I'm having trouble my particular story's introduction especially for pacing issues. I feel I'm worrying too much about the middle and ignoring the beginning, and I dunno what to do.

Well, there is nothing wrong with a slightly slow start, a means to somewhat get to know the main characters and what they do and their goals in life (mostly give readers a reason why we should care about this person or their situation). So perhaps if you give your ideas out in small bits of information (rather than big blocks of exposition) it makes learning about those ideas of yours not as much as a hassle later on.

To me, I guess I go straight to the point. Rather than make something cool or awe shocking, since I never really think I can pull something like it off at the beginning. Instead, went straight to building up something rather mundane and getting used to the main character until the plot came right at them as if a shark came loose. XD

As long as you don't make a rather long winded opening that is nothing but action just to show your characters as an utter badass. A fellow writer I knew went this route...It became an actual chore to read to my dismay.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2015, 12:56:40 AM
Write it, and show it to me if you want. I can help give you pointers. The others on the forum will be sure to offer their assistance too.

Remember those Lightnovel writing teams we had set up? Well my nakama vanished from the face of the earth... But I would love it if we could have something like that happen again. Or at least a coalition. The agreement: To get our stuff published in one form or another and match off our works. Well I guess we already did get votes and have a tie, but it would be nice to work on completing projects.


Also a general reminder that the Anthology is hungry for entries. Please, please people post your stories. We need to have it happen, and I'm eager to start collecting!
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 28, 2015, 04:21:28 AM
If I find enough time I'll try to get an entry ready...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on September 28, 2015, 05:13:45 PM
Does anyone have any tips on writing a one-shot or first chapter of your story to start things off smoothly? I have this story I'm working with, I'm not exactly starting on writing the chapters just yet (I'm learning how to properly draw the important characters, backgrounds, and stuff before I start on it), but I have been thinking of some cool plot ideas that I will roll out eventually when I get to them. The problem is, most of the ideas would come along mid-way or very late, and I still can't come up with a clear and cool beginning so that said ideas would make enough sense when I get to them, and I'm having trouble my particular story's introduction especially for pacing issues. I feel I'm worrying too much about the middle and ignoring the beginning, and I dunno what to do.


I think Devils already given some good advice, but I'd like to also throw my two cents in.

In terms of the focusing on the middle, or the "meat" of the story, I wouldn't worry too much. Thats the norm for a writer. After all, we want to visualise those climactic moments, the  good stuff. But of course we need to go back and make sure we don't lose the reader long before these epic moments unfold. So theres plenty of ways to do this and I'm just going to bullet point a few.

-POV chapter from a supporting character's standpoint: Have a side character reveal info of the main character/cast via interactions with others. This eventually culminates in their fateful encounter with said protagonist.

-Flash forward: Have chapter 1 be set part way into your character's adventures. This allows you to get to some of the action and quickly establish whats going on. However, it would be wise to go back and fill in the blanks for readers, as while the characters will be overly familiar with their mission/goal/obstacles, the reader will not.

-Start from the beginning: Actually start the chapter from the beginning of the characters story. We see them before the plot gets moving as they go about their daily lives. This allows us to learn their personality and hopes and dreams.

There's other ways but these are pretty simple. As Lego said, if you give it a go writing it, you'll be surprised where it goes. After all, it'll only be a first draft so can get help on here with it until you're happy with it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on September 28, 2015, 05:16:44 PM
Remember those Lightnovel writing teams we had set up? Well my nakama vanished from the face of the earth... But I would love it if we could have something like that happen again. Or at least a coalition. The agreement: To get our stuff published in one form or another and match off our works. Well I guess we already did get votes and have a tie, but it would be nice to work on completing projects.
Dude, I'm down with something like that. In fact there's something I  had in mind that I wanted to discuss with you and a couple others..... :ninja:


Also a general reminder that the Anthology is hungry for entries. Please, please people post your stories. We need to have it happen, and I'm eager to start collecting!
Will get on with my SOL light novel. Can put forward the prologue of Nephilim too and maybe something else I've been working on :P
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
Send a PM! Or we could talk it over skype when people gather. I'm interested.

Prologues and first chapters are a-okay I say. We just really need content.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 28, 2015, 05:39:13 PM
I'm trying to see if I can do a re-write of "Storm Clouds and Silver Linings" for the anthology... wanna make it a comedy rather than a sob story... How long do I have??
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2015, 05:41:54 PM
There's really no time limit because it's not viable to make the anthology without a sufficient amount of entries, but in general by the time the year ends it should have enough stories to get started. Wouldn't mind it being released early 2016, but it's been in limbo for way too long otherwise.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: Vacant on September 28, 2015, 05:57:58 PM
End of the year target sounds good. Gives us something to drive for and look forward to in 2016  :hmm:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2015, 05:59:36 PM
Yeaup... Illustrations would be nice though for this one. Might have to go Crow and actually hire someone. I want to do my own but it would be nice to have a legitimate looking cover or something.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on September 28, 2015, 06:04:08 PM
Good stuff, I can definitely manage that :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2015, 06:37:40 PM
Looks like we're at 40,500 words (91 pages about) so just about 9500 words and we're all set. I suppse that's 2 or 3 entries? If there are more then I can always cut down, but I need to confirm if everyone who's put a story in the anthology is going to submit their story. I've PMed them all
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: alphabunny91 on September 29, 2015, 08:12:44 PM
If it's not too much to ask, I would like to read your story as well. As far as the middle part of the story, I'm always changing things around to make improvements. I usually start in the first 10 chapters where story is outlined.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DevilPogoStick on September 29, 2015, 08:32:48 PM
Hmm, I was wondering if I might share a sort of film like special of my main series?

Since while it does follow the same script format, it's actually a bit more action packed with some of the usual comedic shtick of mine.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 13, 2015, 10:25:56 AM
Two questions:

Do all the best stories need in depth research?

And is research done electronically ever equal to research done by actually going to a place?


Usually I'd ask these to get away with being lazy with writing a story, so I understand that not doing proper research shouldn't be an excuse to be foolish when writing stories, and depending on the genre I guess you should be more careful. But most of my stories tend to revolve around alien worlds and have people blowing up things with the swing of a sword
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 13, 2015, 10:52:32 AM
So I'm gonna pitch in here and give my two cents.

I don't think all the best stories need in depth research. A little can go a long way, and sometimes a good story can even be written with none. It requires the writer to be knowledgeable and creative, and it also works better when the story doesn't need to be grounded in reality at all/minimally.

If the story has symbolism, mythology, real locations, real characters/characters based on real people, or anything that does require an element of accuracy or in depth knowledge about a certain subject, I would say that researching said subject can only improve the story experience as a whole. It's really the little things - small character quirks, a small landmark, a short passage of writing, a town lay-out, even a framed sports jersey on the wall - that make a lot of difference in the establishment of characters and settings. I don't think I have written a single story without doing research before AND as I write. Even though it could be as simple as looking up an old Roald Dahl poem (I look forward to writing up that one :) )

From experience (with Public Enemy No.2 for me) I can say that electronic research can sometimes be lacking. For instance, I have never been to Dayton Ohio, and I'm not overly interested in the place to be honest, and it can be really hard for me to picture what it would be like for the story even with research. Granted, however, I'm sure visiting the city now would not help me picture 1930s Dayton... But maybe it would help to make descriptions a little less vague and get an idea of street layout and such. Some things however, even if the electronic information available isn't great, you can just make feasible with a little creative license.

Sure there is more that I can say but I'm gonna leave it at that for now :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 13, 2015, 11:06:32 AM
Field research > internet research, but internet research isn't always bad or inadequate.

A reminder: Write your experiences into your story. If a man is reading a magazine make it a magazine you know about that would shed light on his character. If a person goes to a secretary's desk, base that secretary's mannerisms on those of a secretary you've dealt with before. Things like that can help a lot with the credibility aspect. One possible reason your stories might feel a bit unbelievable is a lack of believable detail.

Second reminder: Try to stay away from abstracts. That's not a rule, but it helps. I recall a sentence in one of your stories that was something like "The castle was very expressive," when the next statement was far more relevant: "Not a space went unfilled." Abstracts can put in too much of the author's voice/signal their intentions too clearly, breaking the fourth wall and reminding the reader that it's a work of fiction their reading. That's not always the case, but it's an easy pitfall.

Third reminder: A good bit of critical thinking about your topic can help to fill in the blanks as well. If you're writing a story about gangs, how might those gangs have started? Why do people typically join gangs? What would be the natural relationship between them and another gang in the city? Writing a story requires an amount of logistics. When I wrote the scene in Dream Library where Indigo first meets the Captain (you may not remember this, but I'm to lazy to quote it; I don't necessarily need to to prove my point), I had to work out when he skipped school, how he got where he needed to go, where he needed to be for the Captain not to see him and how he got there without being seen, and what he needed to use to get the cellphone from the Captain without being seen, and how he got that thing. Otherwise, the reader may have been knocked out of the story by the questions they had (not that they weren't at various points). You can figure out some of the answers to the questions you have yourself if you absolutely need to.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: MisterSherbetLemon on October 13, 2015, 11:21:10 AM
NO1SEY's got it right on the money really.

It varies with each story/writer really, if you're aiming for accuracy with real places/religions then you're going to need to know about it but a lot can be achieved with raw creativity and a basic understanding of how these things work. If you wanted to write a story based in Tokyo for example, your required knowledge of Tokyo will be dependent based on how accurate you want the setting to be. If it's a story about Japan being taken over by aliens for example, you could completely change the structure and culture of Tokyo based on the alien culture. Perhaps make a few minor references such as landmarks (or where they used to be).

I chicken out of a lot of research by creating fictional cities or worlds in my stories as one of my favorite parts of writing is building up potential lore. It all depends on what kind of story you're looking to write. In your case Lego, with the collaborated piece you did with swearzy and Fronomenal for the Anthology "Diablo Of Fazenda" the description of the setting did a great job of setting the scene but it wasn't by any means the key factor in making a captivating story. That was all down to the plot, characters and general writing abilities of those who worked on it personally.

On the other hand. another example for things like lore and religion, a story I'm working on has characters built around the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. I researched the basic story behind the zodiac and what kind of personality traits are believed to be linked to each zodiac animal but I already knew how I wanted my story to develop. Research helped me to build up the development of the characters but if I'd chosen to base it on the Western Zodiac signs the change to the primary arc of the story wouldn't be wildly altered. I had that down before I even decided to base it on zodiacs, it simply helped add content.

I guess what I'm bumbling around trying to say is building the research around your story turns adds to the quality far more than researching something just for the sake of building a story. The two go hand in hand but the amount of research required is preferential to each writer.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 13, 2015, 02:32:55 PM
Thanks for the tips people.

And yeah I do remember the scene Paipis.

On my side of things I do think minimalist writing can work... but only truly will if you know your stuff. I know Dean Koontz does a mixture of research offline and on. He went to fly a flight simulator just to see how it feels to ride a chopper.

It's a big issue for me though I admit. Still have it, and need to change it.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DevilPogoStick on October 13, 2015, 03:06:31 PM
Since I do a rather comedic slice of life script story of stories, I kinda don't go nuts on research unless I want to touch a subject that may require a bit of extra knowledge.

Though I do at times do my best to understand different values that Japanese Culture has in at least basic form.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 13, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
Yeah I should probably invest a little more time into researching Japanese culture... :sure:
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DevilPogoStick on October 13, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Yeah I should probably invest a little more time into researching Japanese culture... :sure:

Eh, I only do that when I realize a short script of mine needs the whole context.

...Otherwise, Kaimon is the strangest town in Japan XD
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 13, 2015, 08:18:38 PM
I just have barely any stories that are based in Japanese culture... and tend to not really invest time into familiarising myself with it, despite enjoying reading and writing manga...
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DevilPogoStick on October 14, 2015, 05:22:15 PM
Quick question, how are opinions with scripts to you all? It's a format I do and was curious how people felt on that sort of thing :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: legomaestro on October 14, 2015, 05:28:30 PM
Scripts usually mean your end goal is a comic, movie or the likes. So long as you know the use of the medium and the story comes across, I say there's no issue with using script form
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: NO1SY on October 14, 2015, 07:07:10 PM
Depends what you want to achieve really. The be all and end all is basically use whatever you feel most comfortable writing in, but here the run down of my opinion on formats:

Panel-By-Panel scripts are impressive on behalf of the writer to be able to write straight into, showing a distinct, decisive vision of how you want it to look as a comic strip before any drawing has even been done. This is the bare minimum that most artists will accept to start work on also, so it gives you a bit of a head start (can easily be converted into a story board also). However, if you are looking for feedback and reviews on your written story, panel-by-panel scripts are a pain in the ass for readers a lot of the time (only seen it done well about twice in my entire time on the site) and don't always convey the story properly or fully so that the story can be assessed.

Continuous prose (or novel-style) is the most full bodied for a reader and conveys the written story probably the best, however it is a bit long winded to read and write, and if not written well then it's quite obvious and the story can suffer a little. Grammar and punctuation and spelling are all also probably more important to get right in this format. It also leaves the writer with the most work to do if they want to eventually turn their story into a comic strip, however it probably prepares you quite well.

Play-script style formats are a happy medium, although probably only bringing the writer a little closer to the final comic strip than continuous prose. It is a bit more concise than prose and sets up the scene by scene, action speech action speech layout that can be useful for storyboarding, while still presenting a full enough written story for the reader to consume. You can also use 'stage directions' to indicate things that don't really matter much from a comic stand-point but are still important story-wise - for instance you can show how a character's voice sounds by giving the direction (gruff voice) before their line of speech, you can set a scene in one paragraph of exposition, you can describe a characters clothes etc. However it is really easy to get caught up in dialogue while writing in this format and forget to give the characters actions and movement - leading to scenes that can feel pretty static. Also presentation of this format can be fairly important. If it is laid out in a lacklustre way it can be quite difficult to read. I like to use bold to describe scenes, italics to describe characters and their actions, and then normal font for speech, and I think the end result makes it a lot easier to read.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: DevilPogoStick on October 14, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
Thanks for the comments, guys. :)

I admit I do feel a tad insecure in my script format in the past but I've been pretty chipper and hoping i entertain some readers here if they're interested. :)
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: alphabunny91 on October 20, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
I think when you're going to delve into certain topics, especially if your story takes place in the real world, then it's probably best to do as much research as you can about that topic. That way, if you want to add fantasy elements to it, then you can do it in an efficient way without f-ing up because you know how to manipulate elements... I'm not sure if I'm wording it correctly but I think you get the picture.
Title: Re: Writer Discussion Table
Post by: 50 Words for Paipis on October 20, 2015, 04:38:38 PM
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