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Title: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 01:16:46 AM
Basically. describe how you come up with ideas. cover everything from the specific thought process to what kinds of things you do to get yourself inspired or just things that happen to end up inspiring you. also your physical state when you come up with ideas the easiest and/or are coming up with your best ideas.

hopefully we'll all be able to learn a little bit about each other as well as maybe find out a way to come up with ideas that you havnt explored before.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: AnimeDoodler on August 13, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
Same as most, I read, listen to music, read manga, watch anime..all that good stuff ^^
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 01:22:48 AM
i was really talking about more specific things. i'll have to put my own info up as an example. though it might take me a while to sort it all out in my head.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 01:25:42 AM
Mine are built up during moments like while reading a scene in a manga that raw idea is built upon and I think of a new story altogether from it. I also listen to music and lie down and stare at the ceiling, it helps me think greatly.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 01:30:44 AM
i have a couple of different things...

for main plot lines i usually get inspiration from books anime movies or manga that i am reading.watching or have in the past

for minor plotlines i either just get hit in the head with random inspiration or chattign with doodle comes up with something... the easiest way for this to happen is for me and doodle to be working on a new character and then as i try n think up thigns about them i come up with a backstory that creates plot points for side arcs etc

for dialoge and such i actually imagine myself as the character in that moment and just type out what ever i say... it was kinda creepy when i was typing up the fight with the bounty O_o
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 01:33:16 AM
for dialoge and such i actually imagine myself as the character in that moment and just type out what ever i say... it was kinda creepy when i was typing up the fight with the bounty O_o

dont worry. i do the same type of thing.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 01:35:39 AM
glad im not alone then x_x


that means theres less of a chance of me being skitzo...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 01:40:09 AM
I don't imagine myself as the character so much, which seems pretty common with writers, I would not like to be a little girl in mind at all. I just imagine their personalities and guess what they'd say.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 01:41:09 AM
well theres that too. you got to mix the two up

and aero. i got bad news for you.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 01:48:05 AM
daaaaw.....
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Monsterful on August 13, 2010, 01:58:36 AM
Putting myself in my characters place is a must for me.

It's not only lots of fun, but helps a lot with the creative process...

Also when I'm thinking and even drawing i can't help but to make the same expressions they're are making.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 02:03:39 AM
yay another skitzo!

(lol about the expression XD)

anyways i think if you draw a happy character you feel happier, atleast for me when i can recognize the character as happy
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 02:21:07 AM
haha making expressions. i never seem to make them when writing but when i'm doing other boring random things i find myself making some of the more animated expressions from my story. can lead to awkward situations in calc lecture when someone catches me making a bat *censored* crazy smile/laugh face
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 02:23:24 AM
Sometimes I read out the lines or try to make a face like my character to see if it'd work well or not. Moving past my looks and horrible voice acting skills, it helps...sort of.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 02:25:42 AM
i'll read out lines just to see if i can say em. it's different when reading so its not a necissary thing  but i like to know i can say what i write without tumbling over all of the more complicated stuff
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Monsterful on August 13, 2010, 02:31:05 AM
Looks and voices dont matter much when you enter the... Creative Zone.

Just let your imagination run  rampant like you were a little kid playing he's an astronaut, it may sound a little stupid but man... Being a kid at heart sure rocks! XP
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 02:35:28 AM
I always imagine a voice for characters, same with manga so when the anime differs I go wtf?
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Monsterful on August 13, 2010, 02:41:17 AM
Yes Imaging the voices is very kewl too, and since it's your imagination you can take the place of anyone and play it out nicely. That's the reason why we have it right :P?
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 02:43:41 AM
something like that

for Coryn at least i just kinda insert my own voice for him. of course its my own voice speaking in japanese with a japanese accent but it gets translated to english in my mind and stuff....it's kinda complicated.

as for other characters i kinda combine the voices of different anime characters in my head. like this one character is part Kira from death note, part ikkaku from bleach, and part my own. if that makes sense.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 02:44:31 AM
o_o surprisingly i dont have voices for my characters yet...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 02:46:31 AM
I don't really think of other characters' voices, more like I actually hear them in my head, freaky and helpful.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 02:47:28 AM
hahah strange...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 02:48:03 AM
well i've got a pretty clear vision in my mind of what you're characters sound like aero. i'm surprised you dont. for me its usually one of the first things i come up with
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 02:50:18 AM
I don't remember Chimera well enough to hear their voices. :confused:
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 02:57:55 AM
*stares at litt as a single tear rolls slowly down his cheek*

i dunno why i dont have voices set... weird...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 03:02:15 AM
I've been lazy lately, I don't remember most stories. I set mine from chapter 2 though, chapter 1 is still iffy for voices and personality since I make it up on the spot, as most people do.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2010, 05:30:47 AM
I'm pretty much a mixture in terms of voices. Sometimes they're in my head speaking the same way, sometimes they're cheap imitations and sometimes they're just authentic.

And my thought process is not an exact science... where's that C.S Lewis quote... agh, heck, i'll try explain:


1- The fast track (for when i'm blank of ideas and wanna write a short work), I sit down set a 10 minute timer on my cellphone and start scribbling words that come to mind. Non-stop, without corrections. After that i pick out the ideas that seem interesting and start adding on them throughout the day through music, TV, and stretches of thinking.

2- Gradual development (When i have inspiration i don't want to mess up by rushing it). I have a writing notepad and a doc on my pc for Works in Progress. I try to build on each and everyone over a long period of time. Weeks... The longest being two months, i think.


In general, though, i just get inspired. I've discovered forcing thoughts is hard, so i have to let em come. I slack off to allow my mind to fill up with ideas of its own, then i write. These days though manga and anime are the chief source of inspiration, since 1 i'm loving it and 2 i'm no manga/anime veteran.

(... for character ideas, i write down the names of cast members at the end credits of any show. These names i try to attach personalities to (this is my new method)

... yeah
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 02:05:16 PM
i never keep notes. it's all mental for me. i figure that if i forget an idea it's not worth putting in the story.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: AnimeDoodler on August 13, 2010, 03:06:22 PM
I can't say I have voices for my characters either...

what I usually do is plan out their personalities and back stories first. This helps me come up with designs fro them and also helps me write because I know how they'd react in certain situations ^^
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 03:15:08 PM
I used to type up each idea I thought up and write some down, I still like to write down basic ideas for ones I like, but I stopped for the most part. I have about 40 ideas written down in one file, I only tried writing 4, then went off and made 20 odd more different stories. I now figure that if I think of an idea and it stays in my head and forces me to think of a  story that it's good.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
Yeah, the ones that stay are obviously good.

I'm terrible at memory though so notes help, and sometimes the apparent non-interesting story becomes something else entirely after some time. It's how i wrote my Kingfisher story, by picking up old notes.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
i dont really take notes... i only write stuff down as i plan out the basics of chapters
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 05:07:28 PM
I feel like when I plan out a story it'll die in my mind. If it isn't made up on the spot I'll have a bored expression since it's like reading a manga when you've already seen all the spoilers online, it'll be no fun. Spontaneous is best, impulse is a great word.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 05:28:07 PM
im in the same boat Litt, i make it up one chapter at a time =P
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 05:31:30 PM
i kinda go the same way. i have a basic layout but when it comes to the details of a chapter i just start writing and whatever comes out just seems to work  :confused:
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 05:36:50 PM
Arc->Chapter->Dialogue

that order
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 05:38:53 PM
yeah something like that. cept throw "actions" in with dialogue too
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2010, 05:44:46 PM
Impulsive writing? I use that for training, as mentioned earlier. But to channel it into a sensible story?

Lemme try it out...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 05:45:25 PM
you should. who knows. it might be for the best
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
All of chimera is impulsive so i guess it kinda works, sounds like a lot of Coryns saga and Litts stories are too O_o


i would guess though that impulsive would give you more of a twisty plot overall since its not created in a linear fasion
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 05:51:56 PM
All of my stories end up being impulse since I forget previous plans for it and just have to make up something anyways. When things are planned you feel too trapped, gotta have more freedom when writing and entertain yourself though I feel like an idiot when I ask myself, "What's gonna happen next!?" in an excited manner.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2010, 05:53:36 PM
This is actually fun. There's no hassle at all. No ten minute timer helps matters as well

... oh oh... an ecchiish fantasy just walked into my impulsive story... o.o ...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 05:56:22 PM
i do that all the time litt

seriously when i read comments or get a msn message from doodle along the lines of whats coming up next i can only shrug n say iono


WHOO ECCHI XD
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
I think writing ecchi is more perverted than drawing it.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 06:00:14 PM
probly. cause you got to do a real good job of explaining those details.

really impuslive writing led me to write one of my favorite chapter ever. and gave me some ecchi in it. all in all it was a good day
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 06:01:20 PM
to a point... i dont think i could write ecchi...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 06:04:14 PM
In one racing heartbeat I would and could, this is because I'm an adolescent who's watched his fair share of ecchi anime and read his load of ecchi anime. Also on a related note, chapter three of MR Sentai Go! being written now is titled The Ecchi Eros.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 06:05:54 PM
o_o


WHICH RAIDERS DOES IT FOCUS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2010, 06:07:57 PM
I think writing ecchi is more perverted than drawing it.

Now i'm a pervert...

but heck, this chapters good. Yet i'm stuck, and its going to enter my archives. The same fate as a linear story...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 06:09:07 PM
o_o


WHICH RAIDERS DOES IT FOCUS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we only have two females. so i'm guessing doodle, co, or both
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 06:11:11 PM
turn on some music, lay down on your bed and visualize the chapter in its entirety

then just write what amuses you

usually works if i get stuck, otherwise i finish it the next day


EDIT: that reminds me... the ratio of skirts to pants in the sentai story is sadly one sided...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 13, 2010, 06:15:11 PM
It has neither of them in this chapter, I didn't want to face the wrath of lawsuits and harassment along with the added pain of banhammer and mod power.

I look outside my window for inspiration, though the view is crap, please trust me completely on that, if it's sunny I can write, if cloudy less inspiration, if night then tonnes, if raining even more so, the weather affects my brain activity.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
I love rain + emotional music. Images churn up like crazy. Easily turned into action.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 06:35:35 PM
i can think best when its all dark and rainy like. it sets a good mood and bright light always *censored*s with my head anyways. maybe cause we get so few cloudy days around here
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 08:27:33 PM
alright my thinking process since i said i would describe it.

so this is how it works. basically, i see things, then i make things from them. since that might not make much sense let me give you an example. once i was looking a pair of scissors. my mind randomly generated the image of a pair of scissors in the form of a weapon. my mind then started making correlations with things. making connections in obvious and not so obvious ways. about twenty minutes later i had the basic image of a new character in my mind. so basically i made an entire character from a pair of scissors.

now with other things like a song perhaps. i lyric might randomly come up. one in particular was "with lightning all around me" my mind suddenly when crazy on me and in little time i had an entirely new scene in my head. once again because my mind drew correlations between the lyric and my story which eventually cumilated in the new scene.

moral of that story. if you talk to me you might end up inspiring something.

another thing i do is translate dreams into story. which might seem a little like cheating but what the hey. it works.

physically when i think best are the times when i'm about to fall asleep, when i'm driving, when in the shower, and when in lecture. basically those times when my mind is partly preoccupied but not entirely.

a lot of other stuff has already been mentioned so i'll leave it at that for now unless i figure something else out
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 08:41:14 PM
interesting...


also scissors make badass weapons XD
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 08:46:06 PM
i thought so.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 09:18:28 PM
(http://rainchildstudios.com/strawberry/comics/2008-09-11Strawberryp8.jpg)


scissors sword ehehe... kinda resembles soul caliber though
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 09:26:39 PM
a little yeah. though what i ended up with was a bit different
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 09:31:12 PM
i would imagine, that comic is kinda gothpunkish O_o

still good art though, and its cool how he only uses red black and white to color the pages
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 09:34:35 PM
yeah i've started reading it now. it's interesting. though i meant that the actual scissors ended up a bit differently in general design
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 13, 2010, 10:24:49 PM
ooh... yeah >_>

its pretty good but it falls of when you get to current dates, he kind of lost his inspiration for the comic T-T
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 13, 2010, 10:30:19 PM
i'll take your word for it. it's pretty much goth punk D.Gray-man but it's cool. i like the way the colors are done though.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2010, 05:13:26 AM
Which comic is this? it looks awesome!

Interesting color theme. I'm totally goint to try that out. It looks really vectorish.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 14, 2010, 12:49:20 PM
http://rainchildstudios.com/strawberry/?p=19
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2010, 01:49:33 PM
Is there some joke/myth/tale on strawberries and death that i'm missing?  Bleach's first chapter was 'Death and The Strawberry' and now theres this 'Strawberry Death Cake' manga...

google for me, i guess.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Tostificer on August 14, 2010, 01:56:30 PM
Don't forget that L loved strawberries. And he *SPOILER ALERT!* died.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2010, 02:05:24 PM
Oh, yeah! That's right!
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 14, 2010, 04:32:58 PM
doesnt Ichigo mean strawberry?

and ichigo died in that episode to become a soul reaper w/e the hell he was so thats where i thought the title came from
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
Oh! That totally makes sense! Can't believe i missed that!

Am also shocked by the art in this deathstrawberry comic. It has its own original style. Makes me want to figure out how one  develops their own unique art style, i'm always juggling those.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 15, 2010, 03:26:36 AM
actually i'm pretty sure death and the strawberry comes from ichigo meaning strawberry coupled with rukia being a soul reaper. which is the japanese equivelent of the grim reaper aka death.

but back to topic
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: socks11 on August 15, 2010, 06:12:45 PM
sometimes its from watching very in depth films which make you think things like what would I do in that situation and what would happen if it didn't resolve the way it did then suddenly there you go I have a story idea
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 15, 2010, 06:14:53 PM
yeah. that kinda leads into a sort of fan fic idea though. not a bad thing though. and it's not like i havnt done something similar. or will do something similar that is.

bwahahahahahha!
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 23, 2010, 08:28:29 PM
so hears a random question since it just happened to me. does anyone else get shivers all over there body when they think of a truly awesome and epic idea?
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 23, 2010, 10:33:37 PM
I think ts happened once or twice :P
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 23, 2010, 10:37:48 PM
I get really excited and I think my hands have trembled with desire to type it, and sometimes I spontaneously smile when I think of the story. This is why I refrain from thinking too much in public.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Vessy on August 30, 2010, 03:33:34 AM
This is why I refrain from thinking too much in public.
Iceh knows what this is like.
Only replace 'in public' with 'all the time.'

Anyway, I have a hard time coming up with ideas because I start out by basing it off something. Like if I wanted to write a fantasy story I'd think, "Oh, like Terry pratchett." Then I'd accidentally steal something from it and forget about it an hour later anyway.
The good idea's just happen for me. Like I'll be in the shower then all of the sudden I'll think, "I write a lot in my head. what if I did it outloud? Then what if everything I wrote aloud came to life?"
How my newest story came to be, anyway. I string things together like that.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: [aero] on August 30, 2010, 04:38:20 AM
heh i love thinking in the shower...

but then i get yelled at for taking to long cause i got lost in a story >_>
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 30, 2010, 09:30:51 AM
i usually just end up realizing my body is over heating and my toes look like prunes. since i do my best to refrain from thinking while showering when i have something i've got to go to or others need to use the hot water. but all in all i've had some of my best ideas in the shower/while doing things in the bathroom.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 30, 2010, 11:37:49 AM
so holy crap....i really need to stop thinking in public. i was walking along on my way back to class and i remembered something i said on MR this morning. one thing led to another and i almost started crying because the scene i came up with was so sad....i dont know if this is a good or bad thing.....
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Tostificer on August 30, 2010, 12:42:54 PM
Coryn, I can only say one thing...

You must be a great writer.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 30, 2010, 01:02:28 PM
maybe. though i cant wait to write this scene now.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Tostificer on August 30, 2010, 01:54:51 PM
Do it.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Account Disabled on August 30, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
Cried? That's kind of weird even for me, though I wanna read this scene.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on August 30, 2010, 07:22:22 PM
it's still a ways off. part of Coryn's origin story. so i've still got to get through arc three before i get there.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: yukihana on March 26, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
Most of my writing inspirations are influenced by seeing a sign down the street, or an action in which someone is engaging in and a whole new idea can develop, however most ideas occur from animes and reading materials from manga's, sometimes, poses, words amongst other things can become my next story.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on March 27, 2011, 12:10:05 AM
its always good to extrapulate new ideas from other things. got to be wary though that you dont take too much from them.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: yukihana on March 27, 2011, 06:08:17 AM
This is true too, I'm not the one to do it, its a sad state of affairs unfortunately, there is no law in which if an idea is used that if the characters names and settings are altered, then that are not copywriting anything, or so I have read, its like an adaption from the original.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on April 12, 2011, 12:04:45 AM
so this *censored*'s related to the topic at hand. i've been thinking these last few days about how to solve a problem, well set of problems really at the end of arc two of my story. all kinda complicated in my mind and until now only loosely fleshed out. since the next chapters to be written would be concerning all of this stuff i really needed to get it figure out. but since it was all related and all rather complicated reasoning it out in my head didn't work so well. so i came upon this idea. what if i just typed out my thoughts as i had them into one giant un-cohesive whole and see what happens? as it turns out random jabbering does but in the end being able to look at my thoughts let me reason out this stuff. so the long and short is i can finally finish arc two. yippy, skippy.

btw if any of you care to actually see my thought process i'd be happy to oblige. though i'm weary about just posting it here on the forum since many spoilers are contained within. so i'll pm it to anyone who so wishes. with the exception of lego cause he's my only control group.  sorry but thems the breaks man. after arc two is finished though i'll let you see it if you want.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on April 12, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
*censored*

...Aw man what the hell! What did i ever do?  T-T
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on April 12, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
you actually read the story. i suppose i could send you the idea sheet. but would you really want the rest of arc two ruined for you?
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on April 12, 2011, 05:15:07 PM
hmmm... but... but it's an interesting idea..

but yeah spoiling it'd suck.

Anyway i know the chapter is up there but still in my little research run. I'll announce it wide and proudly when i'm done..
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: gstar244 on May 16, 2011, 09:26:24 PM
lol thats a psychological question, and am pretty sure you know how most people think and get there ideas.
original ideas derive from experiences with a wave of imagination.
ideas in general are usually not original(thought up) and go around the same notion.
so to be inspired is one thing and to be an inspiration is another.
but to answer your question would mean to ....... if you can know

Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 17, 2011, 01:40:32 PM
right. so i was talking about this thing earlier in the year. basically me writing out my thought process as i thought it. which it ends up representing my average brainstorming session. don't know if any of you are interested but i figure i'd post it due to shear boredom. and since arc 2 is finished and it wont serve as a spoiler for the readers. unless you havn't actually read arc 2 and plan to/ haven't read arc 2 and don't give two *censored*s. i should also note this thing has been rendered a bit obsolete in some of the things i came up with but hey that's writing for yah. well here it is.



So I started this word document to help me think. Figured just typing out thoughts like this might help for once. So here’s the dillio, I have an issue needing solved. That issue being how the *censored* shiro took coryns… what shiro did with coryn’s energy once he stole it, how he used it and why the five cant close the dam hole. What I have so far is that shiro was able to track down coryn cause both of their energies are white. Since similar colored energy means that the two users enix has a similar pattern they can interact better. So shiro sorta kinda locked onto coryn’s signature and then reached out with his own energy as a sort of…of….magnet? grabber thingy? Stoof……let’s say he intertwined the two energies and that caused coryn to get yanked through the Kurousen…yeah that works. I should underline that so I don’t forget. I’ll make up the particulars during writing with fancy language. Next issue being what he did with the energy once he got it…. I know that he basically just combined it with his own and used all of that to expand the tiny whole he had made to get in originally just enough that it began to expand exponentially until its all crazy and *censored* explosions EDIT: or so he will tell coryn and friends when in reality he only used coryns energy…. You know what that’s good enough. Next…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….i forget……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..*censored*ing hell……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..oh right! Why the 5 couldn’t close the hole! Well as explained in chapter who gives a *censored* whatever was powering the opening was obviously above the power of any one of the five so they couldn’t effect the hole. And since they can’t sinc up their energies cause that *censored*s like impossible cause I said so they can’t all just effect it simultaneously without causing an explosion or some *censored*. But here’s the kicker yeah? Since shiro used Coryn’s energy to power the opening instead of his own and since coryn at full power is the strongest member of the five and since shiro basically called upon all of coryn’s energy to open it then it’s all of coryn’s energy preventing the hole from being closed. And since the opening of the hole was done by coryn’s energy it sort of linked the two. So coryn’s very existence is basically keeping the hole open and expanding. *censored*ed up yeh? Right then. I think there was one more issue……..right how shiro…two more…no wait shiro just *censored*ing forced his way though and that messed his brains up so that’s not really an issue. The one last issue is how the *censored* we’re going to close the hole! Well there I was. Watching the entire universe collapse and no idea how to stop it. What is this song playing…..oh *censored* yes that guitar works. I think I have my new song! Hopefully. But anyway universe exploding and coryn and the others are trying to get the *censored* out of the dark side of the universe. They get onto the light side and coryn looks back all dramatic like and everyone else is like wt*censored* coryn what are you doing? And he’s like I got this! But not really cause its intense and *censored*. So he jumps back into the gap of the Kurousen but now since it’s all going beserk and *censored* he can manage to stop himself halfway. His body is being forced to existence on both sides at once an that’s seriously *censored*ing him up. Like what happened to shiro but coryn’s a badass hero so you know he comes through ok and *censored*….and I need to skip this GOD DAMN SONG@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ooooo derezzed that’s good. Anyrate who I hit return on accident, and added in some @ symbols. Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy……………………………………….so *censored*’s going down and coryn does…….coryn does…….he does something that fixes everything………………………and now you see my ultimate dilemma really. I don’t know where were/ I’m going with this so wtf on my part. I know that something about how it’s really his energy he’s fighting against helps him out but I just don’t know…..just like reabsorbing it is just a bit too bland isn’t it? Maybe now he just tries to effect it like he would his own energy? Like manipulating something foreign would be different? I never really had to think in these terms before so yeah…..but yes that could work? Yes….knowing that I’ts his energy he manipulates it as such by merging all that caotic swirling energy with his own. Intergrating himself into the kurosen if you will. At that point he rechannels it into big ass swirling mass around him which he then sucks back into this body like he did in the early chapter thing.
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……IGNORE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But anywase…… but he can’t figure it out until he’s in the thick of it. Desperately trying to save the universe and *censored*. He like feels its right in the back of his mind but just wont come to him. Katsumi’s all like calling out to him once he’s like intergrated but still not sure on the next step. Thinking he’ll just like. Get himself absorb and that will stop it? No that’s ridiculous. Maybe if he gets intergrating unintentially and then realizes it when he feels that It’s his own energy. So note to self shiro can’t tell him it was his energy that he used. He’ll play it off that he just wanted to kill coryn and stealing the energy was just his way as claiming a trophy. Albeit in the most confusing and pointless way possible. Or something like that. Just another side effect of being bat *censored* crazy. So yeah. Coryn reabsorbs that *censored* and like the massive whole in the universe closes up and everyone is like where the *censored* is coryn? Then the universe spits his burnt ass back up and he’s all like. “I’m ok it’s cool! But not it isn’t we’re still kinda screwed and here’s why.” Basically shiro maybe dead but the four negagirls survived and will still most likely try to settle the score in someway or another. Also are at a risk of continuing to travel to the light side of the universe and cause havoc because while the hole was once again stabilized, it still remains open and transversable since coryn is of course still alive and kicking. And still of course feeding the hole with energy. So coryn’s all like ima go hide and stuff. If *censored* hits the fan come find me.



i do have a second more tame one of these as well. let me know if any of you guys are interested in seeing it.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: TsukiokaLoli on September 17, 2011, 02:51:14 PM
The way I come up with things is I get inspired and stuff. ^^
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on September 17, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
Hmmm will you be convinced to post if i say i want to see more? Needless to say this is very interesting for me to read. Lol it's random as heck in some cases. Which song was cutting into your thoughts?
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2011, 01:47:22 AM
i honestly don't remember. been a while. i'll try and get the other one up tomorrow
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
right. second log/idea thingy. not as specific. and pretty sure it's spoiler free. so enjoy



WIBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY SPACY WACY STUFF!!! As you may have guessed I’m rather bored at the moment and typing out my thoughts is the most entertaining thing I can come up with at the moment. This is of course due to the fact that the re-siding process of my house has caused both the satellite and internet receivers (since I’m out in the country side we get our internet via radio tower so if the receiver isn’t up on the roof I don’t have jack or squat to connect to.) So I’m effectively without internet or television for the next few days. Oh joy of joys…..so yeah. Thoughts writing. Nothing in particular to think about really I guess. Several things on my mind writing wise. Got to buff up arc 1. Arc 3 still needs written but I don’t have enough material or what I have properly sorted so yeah. Which at this point it’s mostly a locations deal. And then keeping everything from transforming into dragon ball Z. It’s the issue of having to train for the big bad guy but without becoming. “Everybody serve as meat shields until Goku is ready” which it won’t be going exactly like that but I still have the dilemma of finding a place to stick a sort of mini arc so you know, it’s feasible that some of my characters don’t just get slaughtered immediately. Which until now it’s been more of a thing that I just keep the weaker characters out of harm’s way but having them do some more serious fighting will definitely be something to spice things up. Not that they weren’t fighting seriously before but I want them to clearly be advancing. I don’t know I’ll figure it out.

Another real issue with Arc 3 is one particular bit of conflict resolution. You people reading this of course have no idea how arc 3 is going to play out at all but the important thing to know is that instead of being the usual formula of “one story inside of Coryn’s life.” It’ll be. “one story inside of another story inside of  Coryn’s life inside of someone else’s life.” Which if that doesn’t make any sense right now I promise it will eventually. But yeah. Got a bit much going on with everything right now and not entirely sure how I’ll pull it off.
Also of course have the issue of expanding arc one in a way that doesn’t mutilate the feel I produced with the original version. Which in my mind is one that’s kind of simplistic and not overly spacy wacy timey wimey. But of course the stuff that I want to add is all spacy wacey timey wimey. At which point you see my predicament. Though it’s all meant to add to Coryn as a character and break up the story a little and make it more deep it’s also bound to add quite a bit of exposition that I’m not entirely sure I want to add. I mean I have one idea for a short chapter. Maybe kinda longish depending how much I work with it. But the principle is the same I guess. Though I am leaning towards the idea since some of the readers weren’t able to pick up on the theoretical stuff right from the start. So I’m thinking that showing a little bit of it instead of just explaining it will help drive it into the reader’s mind that this is how it works. That this is what Coryn means when he’s making his long ass rants about dimensions and time travel. Which of course is much better explained in arc two and everything not explained there will be uncovered in arc three. But yeah. I’m starting to see it. Interdimensional travel is basically thrown in your face pretty well in arc 2. And while time travel is touched on it’s not really that present despite its presence. Right sure that might not ring any bells with you guys but it makes sense to me. *sigh*. So much thinking hm?

Guess I should mention something about frost bitten? Since I’m sure I won’t have finished writing it before I post this. First thing you should know. I have the story in my head. But absolutely no drive to write it at the moment. I mean I guess some of that is caused by some blank spots in my mind about the story like just what happens between the expositional phase of the story and the finale. Which is kinda annoying since I know have a beginning and an end but no cream filled center. I mean at least with arc 1 I had the general idea of “the girls fight demons and get stronger.” Which I’m flat out amazed I was able to do that over and over without dragging the story down into the depths of boredom. But here I got nothing. I mean I have my main antagonist all set up and ready to kick some ass but no one else for Jack to fight really. He has no real allies and there’s just not much except his end goal to achieve. But there must be a road. He just can’t skip from one side to the other.
Perhaps my main problem though is keeping the story as far away from captain planet as possible. Mostly because I have plans for a very similar character to one from “planet” which is my main concern. I just don’t know. Having other allies on the quest (at least the way I’m currently envisioning them) will be kinda cliché, but of course Jack’s back story isn’t exactly groundbreaking story wise. GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!! Why didn’t I just write October’s origin first. Much easier. Damn it…..I really need to google the word “ballad” right now….. But in unrelated yet very much related news I figured out how I can explain that true vampires (that is vampires that are born vampires, not turned by another vampire) just stop aging at one point!!! So that’s fun. Also I guess Jack’s back could potentially turn into Avatar a little bit. But I’ve never actually seen the show enough to know how it all works that well so that may not be overly true. Which I hope that doesn’t serve as a spoiler too much but if you’ve read arc 2 up to date I should think you’ve got the general idea about how his back story is going to be. Anyrate though. I think the window’s guy is about ready to get in here and start replacing some windows so I’ll close this log. Hope you all liked reading my ramblings. It’s a bit more not crazy than the last one I wrote but I guess that’s cause it’s too early in my day for the madness to kick in. Anywase. Later people.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on September 18, 2011, 05:15:14 PM
Strangely i can understand exactly what your saying so i guess that's cool. Yes, the time aspect in your stories always has struck me as being underexplained and left on the side. It would be great if Coryn with all his impossible power base doesn't just zap around the time stream and fix fix fix like a mad man. Perhaps even fix the time his home planet was invaded.

Talk about exposition... that would be something great to explain.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2011, 05:31:03 PM
well i think fixing his own origin story so it didn't happen would fall under the paradox thing i mentioned in arc two. least i think i mentioned it. damn it's been a while since i wrote that chapter. but i'm pretty sure i included it in the bottomless hole chapter.

this would be the short version though. paradoxes don't occur because on the individual dimension level those who mess with the time stream are just shifted into an alternate reality where it only appears that they have changed time. On the larger multiverse scale paradoxes dont occur because of an unspecified reason that will be explained later.

and similarly Coryn doesn't go around fixing things in such a way. for if he were to go somewhere and see it was messed up. then attempt to go back along that dimensions time stream and fix the event. he would create a paradox. which as said doesn't happened for reason to be explained later. so he is forced into fixing the situation linearly from the point at which he enters it.

though as anyone who watches doctor who knows; technobabble and different spacy wacy timey wimey events can make anything possible. but for the most part the above rules are pretty much absolute. much more so than such rules are in the Who universe.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on September 18, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
It's always great to match up with the surrounding fiction.

But that does clear things up. Although, it's pretty frustrating you know? For some reason when reading the story i'm not a critic who wants action to continue for the sake of it (okay, i don't mind the sword slashing mind boggling action) but i want Coryn to go Dues Ex Machina on everyone's asses and end everything in one fell swoop. That'd be nice. He goes through too many problems.

The Katsumi thing sucked as well.

But this internet business you wrote about in the intro of your thought process... you wrote this recently or earlier? makes me a little confused
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2011, 06:06:32 PM
ah. well this one was wrote at the beginning of the summer when i was back home from college. and as noted the internet was down so i wrote this up. the first one was written in april when i was still in college and just racking my brains with the issues noted.

back on teh subject of the log: though that's the thing with Coryn. it's too easy to make him the god from the machine that makes everything just go away. (hence his god complex). it's why you see so many of his tasks being so monumental and ridiculous. it's all about making situations where he can't just end things in a second and move on with life. ie. the final battle with shiro. the two stood nearly equal in power, leaving experience as the only real variable.  of course its not like he doesn't do that at points. such as when he fights the grand demon in arc 1. he takes it out in about 30 seconds. similarly when i had him fighting the three proto humans in the follow up to your fan fic.

on the other hand of course he has to hold back because going all out can lead to unexpected consequences. as noted in arc 1, he rarely if ever goes all out. as reality has a tendency to buckle and collapse around him.

so i think the moral of the story here is that he only does what is needed and little more. for example. for the most part you always have the capacity to run. yet you're probably going to walk right? you aren't going to full on if the situation doesn't call for it.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on September 18, 2011, 06:17:25 PM
Yeah that last sentence is the perfect way to sum it up. I shouldn't be asking questions especially since you've shown what Colt can do. Really i find Colt and Coryn to be nuclear bombs on a dimensional scale. And i must make it clear i in no way underestimate Jack and October, it's just that they don't quite strike me as scary as those two.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2011, 06:30:52 PM
well that's a good thing really. October and Jack are supposed to be the lighter half of the group. as well as the more relatable characters. and really if you go on a scale of pure destructive power it does go something like Colt > Coryn > Jack > October. most of that has to do with age and therefore higher energy levels though. though with Colt his full power on this scale can only be realized once he transforms.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on September 18, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
I must tell you though i'm not looking forward to that. He's a pretty BAD proto human if i remember correctly. I need to read that segment again.

Oh and yes, i fear i may have overlooked the important allusions to Jack's backstory. Yeah i really am interested in seeing that go through, but i do understand your reasons for not getting with it just yet. All in all though i'm interested in how he fell in with Coryn and the crew. In how everyone joined up really, and Frost Bitten is an important piece to that puzzle no matter how cliche it's path of story telling seems to be
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 18, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
well to be precise Colt is just Colt. the proto-human is a separate persona within him. two souls in one body as it were.

as for jack's back story i might say it's more of writers block than anything holding me back right now. basically i'm trying to go life at sea > origins > arc 3. so it's just a process i have to tear through first. but keep in mind that like everything i do it's a process that's been planned out for a while now. and i'm telling the three origins first for a reason. after all. To know where you're going, you have to know where you've been. and yes. that is a hint about arc 3.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on September 19, 2011, 05:47:52 PM
It's a hint at the very best. Can't quite make heads or tails out of it. But i'll be looking to it. How goes life at sea?
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on September 19, 2011, 05:53:09 PM
the better question is how goes college. even better is how much free time do i have left for writing. the answer isn't much. so yeah basically it could take a while now. though i am headed home this weekend. so there is the possibility for some work getting done on it.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 02:30:36 PM
Hmm that aside i know it's ages away but is there any progress on Coryn Saga 3? But no... i'd rather not see those thought processes, it'd spoil things for me i imagine.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
completely. but it's not like no progress has been made. i just want to finish life at sea before starting on arc 3. which translates to i'm banking on figuring out how exactly to start it before i finish life at sea. but yeah it won't be too far away actually.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Always good to hear. But i feel sad that it's going to be ending soon. Man the story is inheritely infitine but the arcs can only be a few... well, i just hope the backstories add more meat to the story, and next, the manga!

That reminds me... Gotta type up the other chapter for the fan fic!
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 03:30:54 PM
well yeah. but keep in mind. these three arcs. these three books. that which is Coryn's Saga. is just part of the story in the end. they're just part of the over all story. Perhaps the most important part of course. but hardly the end of the content stream. there are books and books yet to be written after CS is over with.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 04:04:06 PM
Hm that is encouraging.

I don't want you to reply to this, but i'm guessing importance also signifies some deaths i will definately not like. I can sense the cruelness increasing in arc two. Okay i'll just say the gravity of the situation increasing since arc two.

Correct me if i'm wrong but a free-for all diety war has begun? I don't remember it being stopped or anything like that. Shiro did a most bastardly thing.

Also the fact that Coryn ended matters the way he did. I expected a more passive approach...
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 04:13:24 PM
yeah. cruelness is probably the wrong word. i'm just ramping up the seriousness of things. i wont say a word about any possible deaths so dont worry. hopefully everything in arc 3 will be a complete surprise.

and yeah. all out diety war is happening as you put it.

though i'm not sure what you mean by a more passive approach. removing himself from the conflict is about as passive as it gets.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
Haha, i didn't want to suggest it directly, but how he dealt with the perpetrator of the whole shebang. It was really a surprise. I expected a more infruiantingly anime approach to things... I mistook Coryn for being like Ichigo for a moment if you know what i mean.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 07:52:40 PM
haha. yeah. Coryn isn't one of those characters. i wouldn't go so far as to call him cold but he isn't afraid to take a life when it becomes necessary to do so.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 07:59:18 PM
But... painful kill much coryn? I mean... yeesh!
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 08:24:49 PM
well let me explain. i didn't have him kill him in such a brutal way if it wasn't necessary. there are two main reasons behind it.

1. He was in his original form at the time. Therefore the evil half of his soul is present and influencing his thoughts. which equals him being more brutal than normal.

2. You can only kill an immortal under specific circumstances as pointed out by Shiro during the final battle. Namely that the victor must be emitting more energy than his opponent in order to keep his opponent from regenerating. And it of course goes without saying that the opponent needs to be mortally wounded in order for death to take. And since we are dealing with extremely powerful immortals the most merciful thing Coryn could have done in that situation is wound him as badly as possible, expediating the death.  Which if you pay attention to the description of the final cut, Coryn cuts through all of his vital organs. leading to the odd, L shaped cut. 
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 09:07:07 PM
There's that Coryn Sken mythology or world-rules again. Well it definately clears that up.

Now that i think about it i'm really looking forward to how The Five met up with eachother.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
so am i. well once i figure out how it all comes together exactly. it's probably not what your expecting. but hey. that's what i do.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Inkwizard on October 06, 2011, 04:52:53 AM
I get insperation when I am in bed, as I do not get much sleep, I just think of stories in my head.
Title: Re: How do you think?
Post by: Coryn on October 06, 2011, 11:52:18 AM
i know what you mean. i've come up with some of my best ideas while laying in bed.