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Title: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 25, 2010, 07:51:29 AM
Just felt like showcasing my more stable works.

Photoshop painting. Only used a brush. No filling or filters...

(http://i.imgur.com/IMsvbWjl.png)


Photoshop Blending experiment. Voila!

(http://i.imgur.com/bn0hqSAl.jpg)


3d model with softimage. Used a reference image and toon rendering+shading. (Why do they pronounce it softimaahj?

(http://i.imgur.com/XWQpNNZl.jpg)

Flame of thought. Modelled with anim8or...

(http://i.imgur.com/nIqPBCtl.jpg)

And finally an old pic i found somewhere somehow in some backup folder somewhere...

(http://i.imgur.com/OWNGtlAl.jpg)

Bacardi, anyone?


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on May 25, 2010, 09:52:05 AM
Well your better at keeling then I am >_<

and the pronounciation of softimage is probably artistic >_>
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 26, 2010, 05:36:31 AM
* wonders 'keeling?' *

Thankee sir.

It makes them sound ridiculous when they pronounce it lyk that tho...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on May 26, 2010, 03:20:50 PM
Ment modeling, my phone has an annoying autocorrect

and yah... Sounds weird
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coryn on May 26, 2010, 05:54:50 PM
interesting. like the gun
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 27, 2010, 10:31:32 AM
@ aero: phew! i thought i didn't know a term in 3d... ha ha

and thanks coryn
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2010, 05:48:12 AM
My friend and I are starting a 3d album based on aliens invading earth. They land on Antarctica as they cannot survive in high temperatures.

PS+Softimage


(http://i.imgur.com/B8vkYmAl.jpg)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on June 01, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Pretty cool stuff, I dunno how to do most of that >_<
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Liar! You've got all those meshes and vectors, i actually look up to you're drawings... :)

How serious are you in Illustrator by the way, just for fun, Halfway-serious or Serious?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on June 01, 2010, 04:32:27 PM
Mostly for fun, I've made money off it though >_>

I taught myself for fun though
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on June 02, 2010, 12:42:00 AM
Money? Really? Awesom!!!

Howmuch? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on June 02, 2010, 01:04:30 PM
I did a few simple t-shirt designs for a local company (sport team logos etc) which paid like 3 dollars a pic. Then I did a few designs for grassroots skateboards, two are in my vector art thread, the bamboo one and the audio levels one, and those made me quite a bit more per pic (15)


Overall not paid very much, but more then I made at my old job making pizzas (damn you minimum wage jobs!)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on June 02, 2010, 01:15:21 PM
Hey, you're lucky to even be talking about making money with designs. Here they're tight-fisted. (Or maybe our art was that terrible?)

I wonder if you could show me the t-shirt designs... In you're own time?

btw have you tried www.photoshoptalent.com ? (it has another name now but this link works and redirects accordingly) whether casual or serious, this is a nice art community to hang out. Just saying.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on June 02, 2010, 01:35:15 PM
Ah cool, i probably check that place out later

and I can upload a few of the t-shirt things once I'm on my laptop
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on June 03, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
My first contest entry at Pxleyes (I remember the name now)

A diety turtle.

(http://i.imgur.com/6o2y35rl.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on June 03, 2010, 10:04:22 AM
reminds me of a jade turtle, pretty cool

dunno what pxleyes is though
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2010, 09:55:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/oakiYHFl.jpg)

a (failed) sketch from some model magazine.

 (My friend keeps on giving them to me. Says that's the best way to learn. Draw models... Tis tedious... But I aint complaining much, though... >.> <.< )


(http://i.imgur.com/aaW9FFcl.jpg)

Done by 'keeling' the process of making a simple model then painting over it. DO NOT BUY THIS DRINK!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coryn on August 12, 2010, 01:22:45 PM
haha. brainfreeze. brought to you by the fine makers of doodle paint
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2010, 01:43:59 PM
Haha ^^
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 03, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7M8twSzl.jpg)

I'm almost beginning an experminetal digital comic, so here's an experiment i made before i even start on it. I painted over a photograph so... yeah... don't be impressed (if you were)

I'm trying to make minimalistic backgrounds and characters, and am aiming at toons in particular. Mostly i'm studying Genndy Tartakovsky's works (Samurai Jack, Dexter's Lab, Symbionic Titans)
... Looks like a project looms. Hopefully all will go well.

(Oh, this is a  of my brother. He'll kill me if he knew i did this but i'll take the risk.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Tostificer on November 03, 2010, 03:12:41 PM
Awesome Lego, I love it! Can't wait to see your webcomic!

Actually was thinking of doing something similar, but only when I get the time.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 03, 2010, 03:30:42 PM
Thanks!

I'm not sure of 'webcomic'. It's purely just a test, and i'm not making any webpages or copyrighting or what-have-you until i'm done with the experiment stage.

You should try it out, though. Go go Kuri is still an option, i mean, Yuuki has her own little strip, you should try it out as soon as you can.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Tostificer on November 03, 2010, 03:33:28 PM
Yeah, I got my inspiration from Yuuki indeed. Just when I have the time, draw a comic. Seems about right, right? Lol.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: matsurinoaoi on November 04, 2010, 10:48:56 PM
Long live new ideas llD
Nice job, Lego! The shading around the jacket is a nice touch, I think.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 05, 2010, 09:18:08 AM
Thanks matsu
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 06, 2010, 06:52:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bVteD79l.jpg)

This evolved from Paint to Sai to Photoshop.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 06, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rRQtSMtl.jpg)

Further experminents with non-outline art. I know Illustrator is the best for the job, but it's too time consuming for my tastes. This is the comic i'm hoping to make.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Fabiafidus on November 06, 2010, 10:34:44 PM
Lego. that funky lion think, its epic. You inspired me to do some lightshow backgrounds for my drawings. :3
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: matsurinoaoi on November 06, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
Yay, possessed people! Sounds like a good concept to me XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Fnnenn Enninn on November 07, 2010, 01:08:36 AM
Pretty good work, I totally see some great improvement.


24 O.o.........
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 07, 2010, 08:06:55 AM
Wow really fabia? Thanks! And that's great to hear. I'm very much looking forward to them. I know you'll blast this lion pic to smithereens :)

@ Matsu thanks! I wasn't really sure so it's always nice to hear outside input.

@ Sumi thanks, and yeah... 24... Nothing compared to Legion, (from the Bible) though (1000 + demons)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 08, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
Continuing experiments with non-outline, minimalist art.

(http://i.imgur.com/qpzWers.jpg)

Girl in a forest amongst fallen leaves. I used blue in general to try something alien but in the end i find the pic unsatisfactory, i learnt some things though so i'm not completely disappointed.



(http://i.imgur.com/obVtX3t.jpg)

Jud floating waaay in the sky. Hint: It's NOT earth XD.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on November 08, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
very awesome lego, im liking where your taking your digital art =P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 09, 2010, 09:08:38 AM
Wow really? Thanks! That's a relief to hear, as i was on the verge of quitting. I've also got a techincal query to ask ya.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on November 09, 2010, 10:40:50 AM
sure ask away =P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 09, 2010, 01:55:56 PM
This is the art i'm hoping to achieve. Minimalist, and outline free:

(http://i.imgur.com/vGwAmTd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/n8WtUhi.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uRAwYb6.png)


I'm sure you'll recognize at least one =p.

Now i've been trying to find a perfect way to make such smooth lines (especially like the woman in the white dress) within acceptable times. Is illustrator fast enough to do this? If so, how?

I'm trying to make a comic so speed is everything, since i'd love it if i could use illustrator do you have any suggestions on how to work fast to make such pics? As in, Graphic or Mouse, Brush or Pen?

Or just suggest a software...

uh... the question is really disjointed so just throw anything that comes to mind to help me out with this. Basically i need to know:

1 - Speedy Techniques
2 - Recommended Software
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on November 09, 2010, 07:56:32 PM
illustrator or flash would be optimal for this kind of effect, and a mouse of tablet would be about equal in this aspect. for illustrator i would say go mouse n do something similar to what i was doing for the comic covers a little while back, if flash then use a tablet n have at it

theres a few videos i can find i think, though it may take a bit to find em again
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Monsterful on November 09, 2010, 09:10:30 PM
vector art yes... Illustrator would be the choice but for speed you would need to know when to use the pen, pathfinders, brushes, blob brushes, custom lines, the hand tools... and goes on.

after you get used to illustrator you should be able to work at high speeds, its recommended to sketch on paper or another sketching program before, illus really sucks for sketching.

Another HUGE advantage of Illustrator is the creation of one object and then being able to just modify it freely to create another with little to no work, take the guys holding Tiana in the last pic (Heck yeah that movie was awesome xD) you can see that they're all the same, you create one and then rotate it, then add two in the back, shrink them a bit and change their skin color with just a click. Gotta love Illustrator :P

Hope that helps Lego.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 10, 2010, 05:24:58 AM
Ah THANKS A LOT, this helps a hundred. I'll be sure to practice to get to a good speed at making stuff with Illustrator, and I'll try out flash again.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 20, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
During my haitus, i was trying to find a way to train myself and also open new ways of thinking and creativity. So i venture into yet another art form...

Speed painting!  :D

Now laugh at my works! Here! 8)

(http://i.imgur.com/N4At09N.jpg)

Skytrain. Speedpainted over a reference of my friend in some run-down Malawian trainyard. 15 minutes.


(http://i.imgur.com/LFwIJrS.jpg)

Gangster with a shotgun speed paint. Done referenced from Pineapple Express. 10 minutes.


(http://i.imgur.com/h4Evi3M.jpg)

Speedpaint from reference of a soldier. Didn't turn out too well but i learnt something. 10 minutes.


(http://i.imgur.com/S3oMfdj.jpg)

No reference speedpaint of yellow sci-fi ships named Indyz. I gave up on it but i hope to add more detail and stuff. 10 minutes.



(http://i.imgur.com/rwaaVeA.jpg)

Blue rush! 20 minute speed paint. I took a picture of an utterly boring landrover and made it more alive... hopefully...



(http://i.imgur.com/B4pkFfP.jpg)


A jungle scene and a Canoe. 10 minutes. This is from the world of Jud Posessed. Jud was supposed to be in the canoe but my alarm clock rang...

>.>
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 20, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
And other works...

(http://i.imgur.com/A6A4FUV.jpg)

Jud meeting a horse god. Yes, SJ gave me the idea. This is a speedpaint except i took like 25 minutes. I'm really slow...


(http://i.imgur.com/QAaI6tS.jpg)

An abstract ID i crafted...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Tostificer on November 20, 2010, 06:09:20 PM
Laugh at them? Dude, this stuff is awesome. At least someone spent his time well... In the contrary to others >.>
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 20, 2010, 06:16:09 PM
Thankee!!

...Those 'other's' really have it in them except they hold off to let me feel better about my works ;).

Oh yeah, toasty, how about we visit that previous arrangement? You sketch and i paint? I'd like... three sketches, if you can manage. Sketches for ANYTHING, mind you. (okay, manga preferably but NOT BPH)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Tostificer on November 20, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
Wait, what arrangement? You mean Black Pine H? No, you just said you didn't mean that. So I draw anything and you do your digital shizzle with it? Ok, fine! Let's! I'll start as I get home tomorrow, had to pick up drawing anyway!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 20, 2010, 06:26:32 PM
That's a plan
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: matsurinoaoi on November 20, 2010, 07:22:16 PM
It looks like Jud gets to go to a lot of cool places XD
Nice job! I especially like the one of the car. Though I could just be partial to pretty white lights *-*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: [aero] on November 21, 2010, 01:47:22 AM
wow great stuff lego!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 21, 2010, 11:23:38 AM
indeed matsu  :D

I'd say the white lights don't hurt the picture. Thanks for liking it :)


@ aero thanks a lot
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 27, 2010, 07:46:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/x9oVyvI.png)

>....<     really need to vector more often...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Fabiafidus on November 27, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
hmm you are evolving in some nice way. seems you are bound to colors very much ^^ i like it.

I mainly do lines and stuff. and rarely colouring.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 27, 2010, 10:55:53 PM
thanks.

Yeah i really want to be free of lines and i've been interesting in coloring and such. My final goal is to make an animation but before that: Digital Comic
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on March 31, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
And i found a camera, so i can finally post!

First art in a long time! Happy new year for this folder...

All work here has been done completely with a pen, without guidlines and whatnot...

Been watching a lot of smallville. Made quick art from memory.


(http://i.imgur.com/olrvFDf.jpg)
Clark In The Rain

(http://i.imgur.com/WiJEopM.jpg)
Clark

(http://i.imgur.com/RSoNIBo.jpg)
Hall of Sin

(http://i.imgur.com/Da0KhqO.jpg)
Factory

(http://i.imgur.com/jTt4SMS.jpg)
Eval The Holy Hunter. I'm currently writing a script for a one-shot i hope to draw. Hope, mind you, i'm not really sure if it'll work out...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on March 31, 2011, 04:40:14 PM
More bic art...

Felt like practicing in the ecchi-female department so i drew from reference images. Nothing more...


(http://i.imgur.com/YdP0Ibr.jpg)
Denise

(http://i.imgur.com/oecwykG.jpg)
Christina

(http://i.imgur.com/iL4d6MH.jpg)
Amy


More ink works coming, and when i get to my tablet again i hope to make things more interesting
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 01:30:16 PM
Very colourful, i know, so shield your eyes!

(http://i.imgur.com/7Ws6DeK.png)

I wish i executed it better though
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2011, 01:38:43 PM
definitely interesting. and very colorful indeed
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 03, 2011, 02:06:27 PM
hehe ^^
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 31, 2011, 03:43:29 PM
Testing out GIMP to make the painting look like a certain traditional medium. I won't mention it. I hope you can guess right. No harm if you phail.

(http://i.imgur.com/eMaJqD8.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: jp89 on October 31, 2011, 05:20:09 PM
Markers?

Either that or some sort of paint. I'm not a painter though so I wouldn't know. ;-)

It's obviously a medium that allows you to get a very dark black.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 31, 2011, 05:29:28 PM
Aaaaand... no. But  i don't mind that result at all.

I'll just ask you straight out because you sort of put me on the path. Erm... how do you do digital water colors. I'm using GIMP.

T-T I know, it doesn't look like water color in the least. Please tell me what you use!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: jp89 on October 31, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
I used Corel Painter 11 to do the watercolor painting of the lighthouse. It's a rather expensive program though, so I only have access to it at college.

I'm not an expert when it comes to watercolors (nor GIMP), but I'd recommend you use brush with low opacity, and use lighter colors. Nothing too dark or saturated. You can also use the smudge tool (or whatever it is in GIMP) to soften and blur areas.

If you're going for a style similar to the picture I did, you can even intentionally miss some of the brush strokes (not always staying within the lines) to add some "character". ;-)

You might want to check out some of Tony Couch's watercolors. My lighthouse painting was inspired by a video of his I saw in my art class.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 01, 2012, 02:29:16 AM
Gah i feel bad that i didn't reply to this, but i can always check up on that advice now thanks.

(http://i.imgur.com/E55R59l.png)

Oliver Queen from the TV Series Arrow
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: jp89 on November 01, 2012, 03:00:17 AM
Good job with the values in that picture. The lights and darks are working pretty in describing the form of his face.

If you feel like taking images like this a step further, you can decrease the brush size even smaller, and work in some finer lines. (The hair and beard could use a little more detail.) Of course if these are just quick value/proportion studies then you don't need to bother. ;-)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 01, 2012, 03:29:47 AM
No! I want to be able to refine them. So i just so smaller brushes, right? Thanks!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: P4 on November 09, 2012, 10:13:03 PM
user retired
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 10, 2012, 01:14:00 AM
Yessss! Start a revolution! Call me MAESTRO!

hehe, thanks for the tips. I'll be more careful next time. I'll work on detailing my drawings after roughing them out.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coach Fro on November 10, 2012, 09:31:43 AM
I didn't know you had another art topic lego.

You Definitely got some interesting art here. Very nice use of color and inking! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :clapping:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 10, 2012, 09:37:25 AM
Haha yeah i used to post topics for any new art i made. I think there's a vector art topic i made too. Thanks Frono!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/D3Z2UZU.jpg)

Okay i totally lied.

I'm still drawing.

I'm a spaz: it comes with the territory. >...<
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coryn on February 21, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
damn lego.

you've gotten a lot better with this style methinks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2013, 03:00:28 PM
thanks man. I was wondering... could you tell who i was trying to draw?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coryn on February 21, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
Neo and Agent Smith?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2013, 11:35:38 PM
(http://moonloh.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/success_baby.jpeg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: h_musick on February 22, 2013, 12:01:33 AM
woah lego... you got like...crazy good going on.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2013, 02:44:31 AM
Thankee musick. Thank you very much
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 23, 2013, 06:43:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/D1lzuBZ.png)

Some moar painting pracitce. Getting values down is haaard.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EjZg38F.png)

Hansel sketch from the upcoming hansel and Gretel movie. don't look like him at all though. won't finish it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Coryn on March 12, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
I actually recognized the actor before you mentioned who it was. I think you're selling yourself short.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on March 12, 2013, 04:13:17 PM
Guh really? I guess i'm trying to push myself by self-deprecation.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Tostificer on March 24, 2013, 06:13:05 AM
Holy crap they look good though! So realistic even with the sketchy style of drawing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on March 24, 2013, 07:31:51 AM
Thanks man! and haha, interesting avatar
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: h_musick on March 24, 2013, 11:59:06 AM
Nice use of value..... *elbows lego over and over* Did you hear me? I learned that in school.  :D  *gets stuff trown at her*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on March 24, 2013, 02:23:07 PM
*kicks whoever's throwing things at her

haha. That was actually a nice joke. thanks.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 08, 2013, 05:51:12 AM
Pen sketchies

(http://i.imgur.com/ObawvQg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bc6qWeo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dVPsGnd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/L2laDPg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kC0Vh6M.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bzKzLP8.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: suuper-san on May 11, 2013, 09:30:11 AM
nice!!!!!
DO YOU FEEL THE POWER OF THE PEN?????????
i loved the first pic the blue one.
how does drawing lightly feel when using a pen? do you feel you are able to press light enough to draw guidelines, or is it harder to do than with a pencil?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 11, 2013, 01:20:06 AM
It's a bit harder than a pencil because the very guidelines themselves can become real lines haha. I wish I had more pointers on how to do them. Thanks. I sort of didn't see this comment at the time
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Hasith on October 11, 2013, 05:24:54 AM
Did you draw the image in first post ??? Now that's really good stuff !
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 11, 2013, 07:14:55 AM
Yes I did :) thanks hasith!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: IronQuill on October 12, 2013, 03:52:52 AM
its good to see your progression from the first post, i like the value stuff, your sketching still needs some work, but you seem dedicated considering your first post was in 2010, not to sound patronizing but keep it up, persistence and patients they say...oh and that blue pen sketch of the girl, there is something i like about that, nice!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on October 12, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
Haha, people like that sketch more than some of the ones i worked more on. I knew it, sketchy art is just the kind of thing that suits me. Really liking that result
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/kapNo9l.jpg)


and an ecchiworld drawing http://www.ecchiworld.com/forums/index.php/topic,1788.0.html
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 02, 2014, 03:26:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oclxIft.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/n3S8JUV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Abakkqm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AqiSVRa.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 16, 2014, 11:28:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/gQsCxU3.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: KagePen on February 16, 2014, 12:35:08 PM
Spoiler
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s648/KagePen/200_s_zps5dd9d8c4.gif) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/KagePen/media/200_s_zps5dd9d8c4.gif.html)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on February 16, 2014, 12:37:03 PM
Indeed
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 07, 2014, 05:45:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1LgThGR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aEIp9Yk.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: everlastin01 on May 07, 2014, 08:08:40 AM
Wow....I am now jelly
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 07, 2014, 09:34:19 AM
Haha don't be jealous. All referenced of course and I'm nowhere near the masters
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: everlastin01 on May 07, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
We need to become masters!  8)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 07, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
Sure thing, sounds like a plan
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: NO1SY on May 07, 2014, 04:02:46 PM
The Improvement to your artwork is remarkable :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 07, 2014, 04:43:47 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: TBerkich on May 10, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Wow the just brush work in photoshop is really nice. The gun is super sweet as well!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 10, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
Haven't modelled in quite a bit. I must've had willpower on a different level then. Haha, I'm on a painting haitus. Thanks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 15, 2014, 04:55:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Big7UT4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DStXX3X.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 17, 2014, 04:32:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NJR3Nmg.jpg)

I think I've hit a bump when it comes to pen... I might need to transfer to pencil.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: everlastin01 on May 17, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
I normally start in pencil then go to pen
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 18, 2014, 05:21:19 AM
I was going commando for a long time. It was fun while it lasted, but now I need to try something else.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 19, 2014, 10:03:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BLmuL8H.jpg)

Trying out Loomis again. Excruciatingly boring as usual haha. Pencil as well as opposed to my usual pen. Hope I can hold out. Need to get a systematic drawing method.

From Fun with A Pencil

I'll just turn this into a general sketchbook for what will hopefully contain figure studies and the like.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 20, 2014, 09:46:26 AM
Copy drawing from Rembrant... Learnt only a little and slanting my drawings... Should've done it with pencil but I can't help myself. Anyways I like how he builds up value with single lines rather than cross hatching. I realize I was hatching without realizing how to use it...

(http://i.imgur.com/93fiRCu.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/KIUlBXn.jpg)

I find myself wondering how he got the beggar as a model. Was it just dress up or did he ask him to stand a few moments.

Need to draw more... Doing Loomis...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 21, 2014, 04:06:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5InFx9M.jpg)

More Loomis.

They're even worse when you zoom in. Loomis is telling me how badly I need to relearn the really simple. This was really frustrating. I love drawing anime jawlines and spiky hair, not old English looking gentlemen. I hope I learnt something from this though. I want to skip right to the figures but I'll try to stick to it till I finish all he has to say on heads (For this book at least. I know there's one specifically on that subject by him.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 22, 2014, 05:42:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VFvY0I0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/jjMUimk.jpg)

Bahaha... Man. Man oh man. Soul sucking Loomis is doing his thing as usual... Slowly going through the book at least... Looks like he insists on practicing on heads first. Says the rest will come easier.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: Nabe Man on May 22, 2014, 06:03:06 PM
Huh I didnt know u had a gallery lego. I learn new things everyday but I have to say you are greatly improving. Good job. I cheer for you on the sidelines   :dance:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 22, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
Thanks alot Nabe-san that means a lot
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts
Post by: legomaestro on May 23, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4JSMEys.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Tp9dTwt.jpg)

More Loomis... It's starting to get just a tiny bit less annoying. I can tell it'll scale to something harder next though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 24, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5xT0T05.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 25, 2014, 05:16:27 PM
Got sidetracked so I didn't do Loomis today, but I did do a direct pen and ink sketch

(http://i.imgur.com/gN2DFH4.jpg)

Tried the drawing twice from a reference image, this one turned out better anatomically but the other one turned out at least more beautiful. Both need more refinement. Nevertheless, I'm glad that I still enjoy pen and ink, I think I can't just abandon it despite the merits of a pencil
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 25, 2014, 07:50:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Aq4FOYO.jpg)

Did loomis for the day. My lines are like i got athritis, the spheres at this point are just arbitrary i'm not really making them circular enough.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 27, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XSIumqh.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: everlastin01 on May 28, 2014, 12:17:20 AM
I started laughing at the eyebrows on the witch. They look freaking awesome!  :thumbsup:


-for some reason I can no longer not look at awesome eyebrows without laughing at them-
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 29, 2014, 08:04:54 AM
Haha that's a strange condition to have.

And I suddenly realise two days passed just like that. Who stole my time?!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 02, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XSIumqh.jpg)

Dried out for a while... My journey continues. Still can't draw a circle worth anything, but the soul sucking is decreasing  per page
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 03, 2014, 06:23:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8t3wWNd.jpg)

Things were a disaster this time around. The *censored*ty week continues
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: everlastin01 on June 03, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
why does it look blocky?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Rojas on June 03, 2014, 06:43:02 PM
Argh LOOMIS he is amazing, but it's very slow paced~
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Nabe Man on June 03, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
wow its like I'm walking in a retirement home. I even see grandpa.
 Cool work lego are you making these for a gag manga or something
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Roshiro Byakko on June 03, 2014, 06:46:43 PM
I just realized these were all old men :unsure:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 03, 2014, 06:49:42 PM
Haha no I'm going page by page through Andrew Loomis' Fun With A Pencil to try and learn a little... Technically I should be doing a page over and over again but that'd be beyond my limits.

@Rojas I know the exact feel man. I'm dying here.

@ everlastin I took it a bit too far, but he says men have blocky and angular faces, and when you're drawing angry expressions make the construction angular (because anger comes from ang-gu-lar, according to Loomis).

@roshiro I know. I know. Old white men. Loomis is very diverse... It only aggravates the soul sucking condition.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Roshiro Byakko on June 03, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
On the plus side, the frown looks like my face when they stopped the Bleach anime. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 04, 2014, 09:10:46 AM
Hahaha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 04, 2014, 05:12:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xPSOVL4.jpg)

Erm... I'm picking up tiny hints on how to make expressions, but my blook building deteriorated a little because I'm being impatient, especially with the beginning circle. But oh well...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: everlastin01 on June 04, 2014, 05:21:20 PM
is the top right face chewing bubble gum?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 04, 2014, 05:31:14 PM
Er, let's just say he is.

*Cries in a corner
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: everlastin01 on June 04, 2014, 05:56:01 PM
*pats shoulder* don't cry....I am just not used to seeing these types of characters still   :sadbye:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 04, 2014, 06:12:14 PM
I desperately want to draw an anime character right now... Or another nationality haha...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: everlastin01 on June 04, 2014, 09:20:15 PM
Draw a anime character of a different nationality XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: NO1SY on June 05, 2014, 06:07:42 AM
^^

I really like those old guys! You got the expressions spot on too :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 05, 2014, 06:53:45 AM
Haha thanks.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 07, 2014, 04:53:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/x8mPzSd.jpg)

Loomis forcing me through his soul sucking rituals again.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on July 08, 2014, 06:10:49 AM
Haha awesome!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 08, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zFcQm5C.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1SVLIJs.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HuaSX3j.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on July 08, 2014, 06:04:16 PM
dat scap and dem thighs xD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 08, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
She's quite healthy
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on July 08, 2014, 06:37:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5BP-4alrXQ
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 09, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
Hahaha...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Austadophilus on July 17, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
Great stuff, Lego! I love the pencil work! <3
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 17, 2014, 05:54:47 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Jamie on July 24, 2014, 05:55:43 AM
You seem to have been doing the starter faces for a while. Turn to chapter 2, lego.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Darksquirrel on July 24, 2014, 06:55:08 AM
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMIS

Great stuff Lego, I remember drawing those exact same faces long ago...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 24, 2014, 07:56:41 AM
Haha really? Then you know my pain! How did you survive?

@Jamie hahaha I know, I want to skip to the good stuff too, but I'm going sequentially, drawing every blook he's set in my path. Or is that the wrong way to go about things? I didn't want to half-ass it...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Jamie on July 24, 2014, 09:11:05 AM
You seem to have grasped the concept of his basic little cartoon faces. I think it would be benificial for you to atleast try reading. What page are you currently on?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Darksquirrel on July 24, 2014, 10:22:43 AM
I never actually finished the book  :blush:
I found most of the stuff in there quite dull looking (Not by 1930's standards), although I probably would have benefited more if I kept going.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 24, 2014, 10:11:36 PM
Yes, like I said, it's really soul sucking, but I've decided to finish at least this book.

You seem to have grasped the concept of his basic little cartoon faces. I think it would be benificial for you to atleast try reading. What page are you currently on?

Page 30, and yeh I'm reading as I go along too. There was some useful tips on expressions and the difference between male and female faces too... My faces are still sloppy too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 24, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OUYwYgk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jFq7nT4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EGq0b9g.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/T6iUshF.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on July 25, 2014, 08:40:30 AM
Man, these are awesome!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 25, 2014, 08:50:26 AM
Thanks Kage! They're very very far from the photorealism you can pull though that's for sure haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 25, 2014, 12:16:05 PM
You're getting better with your shapes Lego!
Neat drawings.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 25, 2014, 11:19:23 PM
Thanks Echo! Glad to hear that
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: DBNext on July 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PM
The first one is great, good job on the hair.
Is that miley cyrus in the second one? O.o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 26, 2014, 12:16:05 AM
Hahahaha no I don't think so, but she looked very weird, from pose to outfit. Thanks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 26, 2014, 01:13:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/wOdPPOU.jpg)

Next lesson is projection which is going to be hell. I still don't understand his choices of adding artefacts to the faces, last one confused me the most.


(http://i.imgur.com/Ks39sxL.jpg)

Haunting a strongisbeautiful pinterest board.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on July 26, 2014, 02:24:53 AM
Thanks Kage! They're very very far from the photorealism you can pull though that's for sure haha.

You wouldn't be impressed if you knew the amount of effort and time it took to make haha


Those cartoon faces you're doing are getting better, keep it up!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 26, 2014, 02:32:54 AM
Haha, patience is an asset not a problem.

Thanks again. I'm not sensing any great difference but it's a relief that going through Loomis is helping a bit.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 30, 2014, 04:40:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/K04Xzlh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zus2kt0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XCeU6q6.jpg)

more loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Darksquirrel on July 30, 2014, 05:02:49 AM
Good, last one shows a lot of consistency.

The manga ones are good too, though the, um, chest, on the second one is a bit undefined
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 30, 2014, 05:06:49 AM
Oh it does? I'm glad to hear that

I wanted to lay off on the shading for the second one. Guess it didn't work out. Well it was impossible to capture her beauty anyways.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 31, 2014, 11:09:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dB3noQK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8Ji8JqN.jpg)

Loomis gave his own image to deform but I made my own. Didn't turn out that well, but the principle is easy to recall. For 2 dimensions at least.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 31, 2014, 11:35:17 AM
Whooo, that girl. Hard to stylize hair like that with my hair length.
You've got the proportions pretty much right, and good attempt on the shading.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 31, 2014, 11:40:34 AM
Thanks!

It did look good. I laze'd out by toning it in pure black, otherwise there were some interesting curls in her hair, and she looked much better than this drawing.

Weird question does it take you long to grow out your hair? >...> and do you ever trim it or something?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 31, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
I like the stark black and white contrast of it. Makes it looks rather manga-ish.

Haha, well, I haven't cut it since I was, what, 9 or something, so it's past waist length right now. I only trim it when it gets really uneven and frizzy.
But I don't have bangs, so I haven't figured out any other creative ways than a ponytail to do.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 31, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
Ah I see.

... OTL I had no idea bangs don't grow sometimes. Thought it just sort of happened.

The more you know...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 31, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
*facepalm

Er, I meant the bangs aren't cut across so they don't hang over my forehead.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on July 31, 2014, 12:13:49 PM
Your stuff just gets better and better.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 31, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
Danke Kage!

@Echo haha cool cool
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lM29UrT.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/CxpxD29.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on August 02, 2014, 05:42:56 PM
Pretty cool!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
Thanks Kage!

(http://i.imgur.com/7SoEoQr.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/layCpI8.jpg)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Rojas on August 02, 2014, 08:01:14 PM
I can tell you've improved quite a bit, gj Lego.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2014, 08:04:11 PM
Really? Thanks a lot Rojas
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 03, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/L9NnNuF.jpg)

Messed up the nose

(http://i.imgur.com/FlsjN5A.jpg)

Loomis. Females come along and show me how hard everything is.

Quote
THE PRETTY GIRL
A pleasing head of a girl depends ninety-nine percent on how well
you draw it. More exactly, the ball must be drawn well, the construction
lines correctly placed on the ball and plane, and the features
nicely placed. Remember there is the width of an eye between
the eyes. Do not place the mouth too low or get the nose too
long. I have used a pen here. Try it sometimes.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on August 03, 2014, 03:45:07 AM
Awesome stuff :santa:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 03, 2014, 03:53:57 AM
Thanks! But them heads though...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 04, 2014, 11:15:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/yDulCR4.jpg)

You win some you lose some. Ink doesn't lie.

(http://i.imgur.com/fd8imkN.jpg)

Loomis. Women are problematic as always
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on August 04, 2014, 03:37:06 PM
Ink is a feisty one. You gotta have patience with her, 'cause she never has any with you. I hate inking...

Good work btw!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 05, 2014, 01:44:53 AM
Haha indeed. It's why I've abandoned inking, I'll just work on photomanipulating pencils to look like ink.

Thanks Kage!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 05, 2014, 11:25:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/FWbaUzp.jpg)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on August 05, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
You're drawing quite a lot, keep it up! I like how you did the beanie on the gal
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 05, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Haha, she was a tricky one. Her hand made me miscalculate the size of her face though. Women...

Just finding something to do when I watch TV Series haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KagePen on August 05, 2014, 01:01:07 PM
That's smart, I gotta do that too once in a while.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 06, 2014, 12:36:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mk2VgLs.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/l9nEYUZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 08, 2014, 09:14:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JG26YdD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5n1h50N.jpg)

Markers that dry out fast are oxymorons

(http://i.imgur.com/D3Qd8x7l.jpg)

Last set of heads. I finally passed this part of the book.

(http://i.imgur.com/WQ3QWuw.jpg)

Loomis' suggested doohinkus is still hard to work with, particularly setting the head on the shoulders.

(http://i.imgur.com/o401YPW.jpg)

Loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2014, 04:42:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/keMxyfx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JTxNG3b.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FpL83Zy.jpg)

loomis
(http://i.imgur.com/Nr0i6Dpl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3RfgTEml.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Nr0i6Dpl.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 12, 2014, 01:40:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/281t3iOl.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/ay7POW2l.jpg)

loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/BBzRJgLl.jpg)
my own as directed by loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 13, 2014, 01:40:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mRZOteql.jpg)

She's not technically correct but for some reason I liked the way it turned out a lot.

(http://i.imgur.com/FxNITz2l.jpg)

Loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2014, 02:39:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gFjGIHnl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zEuW9mKl.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: DBNext on August 14, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
I haven't been keeping up with this.
Inking is getting better, but it's still a little shaky in some places. What pen are you using?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2014, 04:46:28 PM
I'll upload a picture later but it's a 0.4 mm Artliner. Cheap inky pen and the nib wears pretty quickly. I draw those directly though without pencil lines. Just training my eye.

Second is pencil of course >.>
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: DBNext on August 14, 2014, 04:52:05 PM
Directly huh? Looks hard as heck not being able to erase and redo
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 14, 2014, 05:05:05 PM
It's always hell and I'm never satisfied, but I suffer through it.

Pinterest also has plenty images to keep me interested nudge nudge wink wink
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 15, 2014, 07:55:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/L7fxGiul.jpg)

(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/legomaestro/IMG_0004-17.jpg) (http://s594.photobucket.com/user/legomaestro/media/IMG_0004-17.jpg.html)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 16, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BDCjMmcl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/3hFVqWY.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2014, 10:47:41 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8VyVEDel.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OR9gVVY.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 18, 2014, 05:28:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/K6HDwQSl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/7GsQQhX.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on August 19, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Nice stuff Lego! That police one is cute. The second is almost Layton like.
Are these just off the book?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2014, 08:07:11 AM
Thanks Echo!

Layton? I forget who that is again >...>

Yeah all the pencil ones are off the book...

(http://i.imgur.com/k56gwRq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/40YW2nC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/eZ4grG0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/xOMau7N.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Tostificer on August 20, 2014, 08:08:51 AM
It's starting to look really good, lego! I like the style of the last drawings, although a bit less manga-y.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2014, 08:11:48 AM
Haha, they're from Loomis' Fun With A Pencil. It's painful to draw characters like them, guess I'm used to spiky anime hair, but it definitely teachers a lot.

I'm on page 80 and beyond, and there's a bunch of these characters that he tells you to draw. Long walk to freedom but I really think I'll finish a Loomis book. Didn't think it was possibru
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Tostificer on August 20, 2014, 08:18:03 AM
I can only imagine. So does this Loomis book help well with improving?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2014, 08:19:52 AM
I honestly do not know, I'll have to see how my drawings turn out after the fact. And I'd be loathe to say for myself. Constructing figures is easier though since I have a method I've memorized... Otherwise....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Tostificer on August 20, 2014, 08:21:35 AM
Well then it wasn't useless at least. Every small step is still a step towards greatness.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2014, 09:30:05 AM
Haha, sure hope so
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2014, 03:00:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NYNx2fnl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/xtVa7jm.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 23, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dCQStH7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vdeXbbF.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/40mnkYP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EpccQwM.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on August 23, 2014, 04:50:34 PM
Lovely as always! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 23, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
Danke Vio
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 24, 2014, 12:54:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VydbyFll.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/R3Rin1j.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 25, 2014, 11:26:31 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vFISm7ol.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bUCxrcE.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 26, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GbLHDOal.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fami3pO.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 27, 2014, 05:15:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JTLik9Q.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FPEywi5.jpg)
you win some you lose some horribly


(http://i.imgur.com/tmdI5lI.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on August 27, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
lego with those charictatures it makes me imagine you doing political comics
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 27, 2014, 06:50:18 PM
Haha I have next to zero knowledge and understanding of politics.

And it's totally Loomis's fault.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 28, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N1bu9UZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/jRsTf8m.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 29, 2014, 08:37:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/5iBmNvw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qtJxUX4.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 30, 2014, 12:03:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3JT4T8q.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/c8pT9xq.jpg)

loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on August 30, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Absolutely gorgeous work~ :clapping:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 30, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
Wow that's a pretty high complement. Thanks Vio
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on August 30, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
No problem~ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 31, 2014, 01:00:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Z8AVdgJ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/PZ0QNJf.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 01, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VWcuwYy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TMabmZO.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 02, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gN5rSvn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VHLB3op.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5h9zdMZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/6l4rvTo.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 04, 2014, 05:23:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/C6UlfcD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zqH2oxp.jpg)
loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 05, 2014, 03:58:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HwKJNOn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/svVpyCk.jpg)
loomis

And that's the last picture from this section.  Next is a bit of perspective stuff which will eat more of my lifeforce, but the end of the book is definitely in sight. Can't quite believe it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 05, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/J2pfefO.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qyeeO2h.jpg)

loomis

Next topic seems to be a short discourse on perspective and the likes. Then a little on light and shadow
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 10, 2014, 06:36:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sy0MUo7.jpg)

messed up the loomis lesson on perspective. It's too hard to follow using only text. Will have to supplement with youtube videos before I try what he's suggesting.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 11, 2014, 05:26:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/RlUv0fH.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pH8QMcP.jpg)
Loomis. Severely watered down from the original lesson though. The measuring things are very tricky.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on September 11, 2014, 05:31:45 PM
That artwork will now be entitled, "Yikes Perspective"

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 11, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
Hahaha seems reasonable
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on September 11, 2014, 05:43:32 PM
That's a really intersting method for drawing perspective. :hmm: I've never thought of looking at it in a bird-eyes view within a grid. Interesting! :clapping:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 11, 2014, 05:45:38 PM
The main principle is to use a box and divvy it up into smaller boxes, and then project it and use diagnol lines to find the centre of any projected rectangle.

If that makes sense. It's even worse in the book itself. He's so wordy and it's a pain. I wish I had a Loomis for dummies book haha.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 11, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
What a rockstar haha great work brodah
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 11, 2014, 06:45:13 PM
Haha, thanks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 12, 2014, 09:40:42 PM
http://imgur.com/2LHjmcC
http://imgur.com/W4vEUVu

(http://i.imgur.com/c9izA60.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UBAkZ2X.jpg)
loomis

Perspective is a whole new can of worms in a warehouse full of cans of worms that is drawing
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 13, 2014, 11:49:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/FNFNTNo.jpg)TT

(http://i.imgur.com/3zOJwuT.jpg)

loomis

that did not end well
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 15, 2014, 02:18:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/F7k6vQz.jpg)

Michonne

(http://i.imgur.com/xSJ2k4s.jpg)

Patrick James


*drumroll*

(http://i.imgur.com/G49x1xC.jpg)

loomis
(http://i.imgur.com/zUtAXMZ.jpg)

loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/96Gg2rf.jpg)

loomis. The light studies did not go my way at all to be honest, so I just noted what Loomis was trying to teach and moved on...

(http://i.imgur.com/WAuinia.jpg)

I took a dig at the final image because why not. It did not turn out at all as planned, and the lightning principles are still over my head, but I did what I could.

Afterall... This is the end of the book!

I've finished Fun With A Pencil by Andrew Loomis, and I'm leaving it at that. It was... A ride... That's all I can say.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 15, 2014, 07:34:11 PM
Haha you really enjoyed and learned a lot on it lego brodah nc
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 17, 2014, 06:34:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kmINJhY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qUx4w0H.jpg)

Was going to start on Loomis's Figure Drawing for All It's Worth, but decided maybe to jsut make simple bic sketches instead and use my freed up routine time to either focus on writing or attempt another one shot comic. I do want to get at that as soon as possible though, so I might just juggle everything at once because why not.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 17, 2014, 07:54:23 PM
Nc
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 17, 2014, 08:10:39 PM
Thanks Killer B
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 18, 2014, 05:14:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/a2HoRoK.jpg)

Polkadots and a cat
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 19, 2014, 05:43:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/h2fW9Qd.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 20, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/n1GFLW1.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 21, 2014, 04:09:01 AM
What are u using on making of your sketches?   what a rockstar lego really
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 21, 2014, 06:49:20 AM
Haha that's a high compliment. Thanks Killer B. And I'd like to call them sketches but really just call them drawings that aren't that good hehe >.>

I use an inky pen and go for references at pinterest.com
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 21, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
On paper or on digital brodah
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 21, 2014, 01:33:21 PM
Paper. I luckily have a scanner too
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 21, 2014, 08:24:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KlTg0UF.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on September 21, 2014, 09:41:25 PM
Nice lining Lego.
The skull is neat.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 22, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Thanks Echo
I thought so too when I saw it
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 22, 2014, 11:14:52 AM
that shoes and shirt rocks lego
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 22, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
Thanks haha.

(http://i.imgur.com/9uFteWc.jpg)

Really hate it when I mess up the face *Facepalm*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on September 22, 2014, 06:55:49 PM
Whoooo what a hat.
Steampunk?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 22, 2014, 07:10:04 PM
Steampunk.

Actually the tag that I clicked on when looking for the image haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 24, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9uFteWc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8GqWlM2.jpg)

Things didn't go as well as I hoped this time around
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 24, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Hha your facial expression looks like real and it carry the show brodah lego hmmm  its good yeah
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2014, 11:08:21 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/c9XnU6F.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 10, 2014, 09:22:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/QcsjkfB.jpg)

Cat. Want to get into figure drawing and drawing whatever interests me. Just to keep a regular habit.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 12, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tECBkHJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SadFVHJ.jpg)

Trying to get some figure drawing done.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on November 26, 2014, 08:16:17 PM
whats this its awesome after the cat is that an engineer or something like academic
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 01, 2015, 02:38:11 PM
Trying out some pages in Loomis' Figure Drawing For All It's Worth

(http://i.imgur.com/rEp19TJ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HMDJCCs.jpg)


and an ink drawing from reference

(http://i.imgur.com/XO87wi2.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on January 01, 2015, 05:50:02 PM
How are you lego brotha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 02, 2015, 03:45:14 PM
I'm fine Killer B, how are you?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on January 03, 2015, 12:29:04 AM
im ok trying to improve more can't buy a wacom cause expensive hahah
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 04, 2015, 03:46:29 PM
Ah that's unfortunate. Well there's always pencil and paper then until then. I haven't touched my tablet in a long while and still don't really want to.

(http://i.imgur.com/staM9Ct.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nHRUIIN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pRkAf78.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on January 06, 2015, 04:26:44 AM
what are you using on drawing that brotha it looks like realistic and can be manga gogogo lego u can do it the first picture fabulous 2nd fashionist 3rd looks like a boss
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 06, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
Hmm It's a pen, one of those inky ones. I reference from a website called Pinterest.com. Thanks a lot Killer B, but these are way different from drawing actual comics.

(http://i.imgur.com/56R3LMJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on January 06, 2015, 11:37:27 PM
yeh a bit but like the other manga it have some realistic features like the kingdom manga
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Jamie on January 09, 2015, 10:53:11 AM
Hmm It's a pen, one of those inky ones. I reference from a website called Pinterest.com. Thanks a lot Killer B, but these are way different from drawing actual comics.

(http://i.imgur.com/56R3LMJ.jpg)

 :heart: I really love the storytelling in this pose! Well done dude
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 10, 2015, 07:27:13 PM
Thanks a lot Jaime! Means a lot

(http://i.imgur.com/fDMbYvR.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on January 10, 2015, 10:25:41 PM
there is quite a strong trend of smoking figures here.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 11, 2015, 01:44:33 AM
It's fascinating how everyone points that out haha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 18, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VIJi5lL.jpg)

Going through Loomis again page by page. I wanted to go through Hogarth instead but couldn't download it. I'll deal.
(http://i.imgur.com/o0DDUdc.jpg)

Tried out pencil
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Jamie on January 28, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
I'm guessing you have multiple types of pencils? Like 4-6b was probably used for the background?

Try to work from light to dark, layering the graphite like paint!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 29, 2015, 01:16:38 AM
I wish I did, and will have to find those when I have the chance. I used a mechanical pencil throughout for this
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 29, 2015, 04:05:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1ceAI4e.jpg)

ballpoint
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on January 30, 2015, 06:55:42 AM
Emotional brotha leg u can think on whatever u think of it its great
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Jamie on January 30, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
I really liked the drawing! Made me want to draw it, so i did. Unfortunately i forgot to make a new layer :L

http://i.imgur.com/QvgHEMo.jpg

Good job lego! I'd love to see the ref :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 30, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
Thanks, Jamie!

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/64387469643381322/

That's the ref


@Killer B thanks man!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 31, 2015, 03:47:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/cRSxmKh.jpg)

I empty

bleed out my septic mind

inhale good
exhale bull
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on January 31, 2015, 10:11:11 AM
oh my god thats smoke cool
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 31, 2015, 12:06:54 PM
Thanks Killer B
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on January 31, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
Nice one legomaestro...yeah she bleeder out her soul here ... I love the smokes  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 31, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
 That's Nomena, muchly appreciated
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Jamie on February 01, 2015, 12:18:17 AM
Wow I was super off on what i thought her head position would be :L

You should post the references when posting btw! They're always interesting, and it adds a comparison for potential critiques/advice that users would be able to give you! :)

Good job on the last one, smoke is cool!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 02, 2015, 02:48:44 AM
She's leaning on something I think?

Yeah sure when I can I will

Thanks
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 13, 2015, 09:56:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YFWQeYb.jpg)

Having a really slow existence, but pushing things forward

(http://i.imgur.com/8QR03wB.jpg)

From a Person of Interest episode


(http://i.imgur.com/P8xl14n.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/dZ8N0X7.jpg)
Loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 14, 2015, 05:46:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JPpsYkj.jpg)
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/487162884667838272/

(http://i.imgur.com/xIXlExZ.jpg)
Loomis.

Seriously this book is frustrating as all hell. I wish I'd seen people who actually tackled this book to see how they fare. I'm basically winging it at this point

(http://i.imgur.com/Y10fctU.jpg)
Nihei

Making studies of one of my favourite mangaka, Tsutomu Nihei. I've just started what is a third reread of Blame! and decided i'll be drawing things I find interesting. Will mostly focus on figures though
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Boosted Nomena :) on February 14, 2015, 05:55:44 AM
Nice perspective training  ;)

That woman sitting on the chair is kind of inspiring  :heart:
just like that of the smoking one  :doublethumbs:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 15, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
fabuluous Nihei Tsutomu's point of views
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 16, 2015, 11:37:59 AM
Thanks Killer B

@Nomena thanks. It's pretty dull and difficult stuff to do but hopefully i'll tough through all of it.

Glad you like those

(http://i.imgur.com/BCJn7Zu.jpg)

Loomis. Goshdarned Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/rWPORnO.jpg)

More Nihei studies


(http://i.imgur.com/zzpCm1F.jpg)

Drawing from some Killer is Dead screenshots
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 17, 2015, 11:15:30 AM
cool :angel:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Thanks as always killer b

(http://i.imgur.com/npZRXUe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ahr3dbr.jpg)

More Loomis.

This book really just jumps right into the concepts on the spot. It's something he really wants you to read in depth more than his earlier work. Perhaps I should have gone with the heads and hand one. Anyways, the tips will be helpful. Still completely bungling the figures he provides


(http://i.imgur.com/yfP9qBa.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zEpSbuR.jpg)

More Nihei

(http://i.imgur.com/9lUc6e5.jpg)

Went to a coffee shop and ordered two large cappuccinos while sketching pictures in a magazine. Definitely going to do it again because it really revived my pen hand again. Been feeling stiff lately.

(http://i.imgur.com/uNyGoDK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QsBPWd5.jpg)


pinterest


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/aCcyFjy.jpg)

pinterest

(http://i.imgur.com/lpwsoN2.jpg)


Went to a coffee shop and drew from a magazine. Bumped into an old school friend, phoned and talked to people. Basically did what I don't usually do i.e be a hermit. Twas a good day

(http://i.imgur.com/O8n2uN1.jpg)

Pinterest. Zinadine Zidane , Likenesses will always elude me haha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 21, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/G19sRzL.jpg)

Loomis, although it looks like a pen won't get me very far with this book. Looks like I'll be needing to construct fuller figures if I'm to figure out what I'm learning. The next page is horrendous, and the future ones will be even more tedious. This book is truly, very fat.

(http://i.imgur.com/yy9rQpW.jpg)


pinterest

(http://i.imgur.com/0iYeGjs.jpg)

Tsutomu Nihei Studies
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 25, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SPHSuz8.jpg)

loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/05tzryp.jpg)

pinterest

(http://i.imgur.com/tPntx9q.jpg)
pinterest
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 27, 2015, 07:26:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vw0m9n7.jpg)

Loomis. This is one excercise I can remember and emulate easily at least.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZmErw1t.jpg)

Pinterest. Supposed to be christiano ronaldo. Likeness is so much harder  to do with smaller faces.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: AmanoMai on February 27, 2015, 07:47:00 AM
hmmm, how to put this in a simple way...

"in your quest to capture the body's movement, the body's form it self is lost, and they looks like lumps of clay that moves"

i wonder if that was comprehensive enough...lol

it was your problem from day 1 , and still persist, maybe start to do some closer study at the body figures
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 27, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
I'll keep that in mind
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 28, 2015, 07:18:18 AM
Enjoy men im always watching and also learning hha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 01, 2015, 09:43:12 PM
Thanks Killer B, though you should be careful with that and make your own studies when you can

(http://i.imgur.com/7fEjr4P.jpg)
Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/giVTany.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tuynnEi.jpg)

pinterest
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 02, 2015, 05:13:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JXhWR2i.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/qi3vUfU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Rp8Zsdq.jpg)

pinterest
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: everlastin01 on March 02, 2015, 05:46:43 PM
You are getting poses down faster than I ever have  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 02, 2015, 05:53:07 PM
Thanks everlastin
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 03, 2015, 03:31:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yvKIouW.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/9RoOjxO.jpg)

Nihei

(http://i.imgur.com/SYgMM8u.jpg)


Pinterest
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Austadophilus on March 03, 2015, 03:36:20 PM
Wowsers! Great stuff, Lego! You're really advancing in your work!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 06, 2015, 07:08:48 PM
Thanks Austa, muchly appreciated.

(http://i.imgur.com/tCEGwXf.jpg)

Loomis. The book has become significantly easier to deal with after all those first pages, but the measurements and rules are sure to show up again.

(http://i.imgur.com/IZZGC3z.jpg)
Pinterest. More interested in movement now. Planning on moving to tennis more. I saw a tip on DA that said tennis players make good reference for sword play drawing.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 15, 2015, 02:46:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1Hz0jBs.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8re3V57.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2GrKWoe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/IDGISYB.jpg)


I'll get back to the Loomis book now I hope.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on April 15, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
very nice
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 16, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
Thanks Killer B
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 22, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/csAeONQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/l34VZdA.jpg)

Still haven't found it within me to continue Loomis, but I'm deciding to go with drawing tennis women. Pinterest is a good friend.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 23, 2015, 06:20:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UekTbKo.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zdcia3r.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 07, 2015, 02:10:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/RZv9O3t.jpg)

Got a new inky pen to work with. I don't know what to do anime manga wise so I'll just get back to drawing pen and ink
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 24, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
Making a 2d game with a friend called The Witchdoctor's Apprentice. I'm hoping to draw inspiration from Another Worlds' and Prince of Persia's rotoscopy techniques. My friends were delaying so I've set myself up as the model. I shall acquire a wizard hat and a more badass coat for future renders.


(http://i.imgur.com/0TYuInP.gif)


The process was

1. Set up tripod (borrowed)

2. Record

3. Take screenshots of recording

4. Draw over them (Use a layer over the original photograph to cut out any unwanted bits. It took me app. 5 minutes per frame when I was in the zone... Otherwise there were lots of blunders along the way. And I still haven't coloured and characterized the damn thing)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Lovus Eternius on July 25, 2015, 04:04:46 AM
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/zdcia3r.jpg)

This image injected thoughts that must never be transm-

I'll just do it anyways.

This image made me think of Gelmra-tan frolicking in the daisies with a butterfly net... the moment captured makes it seem like he elegantly threw his head back as he lunged forward to exaggerate his form to catch his first butterfly of the day...

I might be a little bit tired... -looks at time-

3AM... been in the sun too long.

...

Your animation is still pretty badass... but I thought that 'The Witchdoctor's Apprentice' is the name of a movie that released just not too long ago... just.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 25, 2015, 04:41:39 AM
Bahahaha the title is fodder as hell and will be subject to change.

Thankee for your kind and slightly strange words.

I'm going to try to figure out more stuff in this vein if I can.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 25, 2015, 10:38:24 AM
Interesting :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 25, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
Haha thanks Killer B
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 01, 2015, 08:47:44 PM
Messed around with another animation test. It did not go well at all.

I think I need to be less timid with the use of references and tutorials. This reinventing the wheel thing is getting tiresome. I demand to be able to make animations! I shall pilfer from anime I watch

(http://i.imgur.com/SjC4Kwx.gif)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on August 01, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
Its good what did u use on animation?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 01, 2015, 09:02:20 PM
a software named pencil but it's not easy to use its better for mac in the end. I had to use gif just to save the animation.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Nairbons on August 02, 2015, 12:42:33 AM
Were you rotoscoping pictures of yourself into individual animation frames, or freestyling it?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2015, 07:01:08 AM
Rotoscopy. It became plain painful later down the line though haha. I preferred working on the drawing the wand one.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 03, 2015, 12:52:28 PM
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/legomaestro/TestAnimation.gif)

Animation test by referencing Afro Samurai. I need to be more careful with keeping the character consistent frame by frame. I'll use a smaller pencil and be careful next time.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
hey lego!!!!!!
wow you've gotten a lot better!
especially at showing motion in the pictures!
animation is always a pain to get it right, i have done enough to know that its seriously hard.
that being said, i havnt tried animating anything in the last 6 or 7 years or more, so i dont know if i have gotten any better at it.

what program did you use to animate it, or did you just compile separate pictures after drawing them?
i must give it a go as well now :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 06, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
I basically did this, but with references

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkr7zks3uVc
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 06, 2015, 07:12:06 PM
yeah i see. who'd of thought GIMP though :P
references are quite important of course :P
im sure theres an animation program that does a better job, but is it free is the question :P
thanks and keep it up!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 06, 2015, 07:24:12 PM
The free bit is the exact problem. I downloaded pencil but it didn't work for windows at all. If you find something better then tell me by all means haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 07, 2015, 03:59:38 AM
sure. knowing me i might end up writing my own program!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2015, 07:53:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/z0y7JvV.gif)

Phew! After a lot of suffering I finally finished my little study animation of a scene from Dark Matter with help of CT Chysler's technique https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkr7zks3uVc


I'm going to make studies from the One Piece OVA next but definitely hope to make my own animations soon
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on August 20, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
look at that smoothness~ :o
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
30 or so frames of suffering haha. I thought I'd never complete it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on August 20, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
Then get ready for some backaches and hand cramps when you start to add in little details in each frame~ :clapping:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 20, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
Well that's totally encouraging
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Operative13 on August 20, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
Seizures... seizures everywhere...  :ohmy:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 21, 2015, 03:29:59 AM
wow fantastic! thats so much an improvement than the others!
how long did it take?????

oh just one improvement, based on the speed the sword spun, i dont think it would have got much wavy line distortion, normally thats for higher speed objects i think, but it doent look out of place. just my thought

i just noticed the lines aren't anti-aliased(?) (pixelly). did you still use GIMP?
but well done, especially on the face, very consistent!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2015, 04:22:48 AM
Took me seven or eight days but only because I was animating 4 frames a day and then gave up till just yesterday. It was so painful to see how many frames remained yet and knowing the smoothness isn't as effective as getting more key frames down from my own animation, but it's been really informative as a study.

Oh yeah the speed lines were sometimes a bit much, but on the actual screenshots it does blur sometimes. It's also an effective way to trick the eye into motion, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it.

Ah yes, that's because of the tutorial I watched. (Same reason for red and blue frames) It's to make the colouring process infinitely easier. I say that after some good post production effects you can make it look really great. Watch the video if you can! It's worth it...

Yes, GIMP has been my only friend as far as animation is concerned
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 21, 2015, 04:33:19 AM
i plan to do some animation at some point, although until i can draw the way i want for a single drawing i doubt i could draw a lot of frames consistently :P
i will watch the video sometime :P
but can you imagine animating a whole 20 minutes a week for an anime :P and that includes coloring etc :P thats madness i tell you :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2015, 05:23:18 AM
It's pretty chinese sweatshop yeah from what I heard. One of the members here Nyosan was in the production line for that sort of the thing and it was crappy pay, crappy boss and taxing like no one's business. He quit haha...

I'm studying One Piece Baron Omatsuri now to see some interesting scenes to animate from. I love how they focused on motion over the art and I can guess people didn't like it as much but I feel the action is infinitely better. They should've done it for the main anime as well! I hate those super stiff frames
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 21, 2015, 06:49:55 AM
yeah its nice to have both motion and good art, but for some reason that hardly happens.
i think i prefer good art, but bad animation is a no no :P not much space for improvement :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2015, 08:07:57 AM
Tried to make an animation after studying another, this time drawing keyframes, but halfway in I realized I really do need to use thinner strokes and definitely need to work on simple sketches before working on things like details and effects.

I'm going to attempt another one and be uber careful, and I'll draw from memory without any references to see how much I actually know

(http://i.imgur.com/8JgwmqD.gif)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 10, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pe1wE6W.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GLvhb8p.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DAKPWZQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GKdinH7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AmCyDuI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ogYQDnI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JlGdowk.png)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: neoraise on September 10, 2015, 01:39:06 PM
Lego,can i take that last one?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 10, 2015, 01:42:19 PM
Take it? As in for what? Well I did reference it so it's not really mine
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 13, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HGUscEd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AYQQDf9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/if0BhNt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ybr2NWK.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 14, 2015, 02:13:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JyBNkDu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vrcj45Z.jpg)

Pinterest. I'll keep a better track of my references from now on.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 24, 2015, 10:26:02 AM
great figure drawings!
how long does it take to do each sketch?
it looks like the more sketchy your style, the better the proportions are :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 31, 2015, 06:20:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/u5DHyZl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YV8seHx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/B9AbX7C.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/u64KY3E.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RxVv1Rq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/F8TlbXT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MhF3j17.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WH8dZ8p.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 10, 2015, 02:49:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NBom8c8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hCsupt2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/82Fmqom.jpg)
Studying Ashley H Wood's works.

Hate his scatalogical jokes, but otherwise love his impressionistic style. Drawing through the Tank Girl comic currently in hopes to gain tips and tricks.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Nairbons on November 10, 2015, 09:40:33 PM
The Ashley Wood style is working really well for you, Lego! It complements your style quite nicely. For your realism and other sketches, though, it would still greatly help you to start with some construction lines. A few light, light cross sections along the face are great for lining up the locations of facial features. In general, they also help out in keeping proportions correct when as you micromanage a larger drawing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 11, 2015, 01:43:34 AM
Hm, I guess there's no escaping the need for proper construction lines to make character faces haha. I should at least be able to swing that with ballpoint sketches

Thanks Nair! It's fun making studies of his work, but reverse engineering it will be another issue entirely
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Nairbons on November 11, 2015, 02:44:39 AM
Oh, man. You're using pens? You're braver than I've ever been. Supposedly, using a pen as your main means of drawing and sketching out practice makes you more confident and capable with linework, since you have to commit from the very start. Plus, it shows up WAY easier on a scanner.

I'm a big coward who's only ever felt comfortable with a pencil or computer tablet for quick erasing and redrawing. From the looks of things, you've got a good grip on gripping things. If there's an area of focus I'd say that needs work, it's just proportions and placement. Sketch things out with some basic lines to get the flow, balance, and construction looking natural.

You're the one who drew a bazillion cubes, remember! Put that practice to an applied use!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 11, 2015, 05:55:44 PM
Jolly Nair speaks too lowly of his own work!

I don't know man, I might be learning bad habits by not using pencils but heck, it never killed anyone right? Or at least I think so.

A bazillion cubes that got both crapped on and praised. The internet is a scary place.

I've got a book by scott robertson, and hope it really teaches me stuff on perspective. Looks hard as hell though haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 23, 2015, 11:24:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EFR5cMd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lz94VMh.jpg)

I'll just go ahead and draw 2 pages whenever I can from the Ashley Wood comics that I have. It's really fun. Random and amateur as hell but I like it so I'll stick with it I hope
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 25, 2015, 02:52:52 PM
Last one isn't SFW because Ashley Wood
(http://i.imgur.com/fhNSZl1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mbavRJJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g35kwGL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/t6vLSmm.jpg)
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 29, 2015, 01:28:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dnSzxDT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QryioRu.jpg)

I definitely need something that can do nice big blacks. Ashley Wood makes backgrounds and things stand out a lot using those, and thin lines can't cover everything.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 30, 2015, 04:54:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/h8QYZrP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kJONWja.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1HhjsIW.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on November 30, 2015, 07:02:35 PM
Lines nice clean and cool Lego XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Hahaha thanks. Man, I just wish I could pull of sketchy lines in the way I want to to make them look as cool, but I guess it's something one does after drawing proper lines.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 16, 2015, 01:23:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gbQLY84.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/paKqWdP.jpg)

Back to drawing from photos, even though they always lull me into a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 20, 2015, 11:02:07 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/C4UAzEy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Oh2S9LU.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 20, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zcevKSr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ev8YV43.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: DBNext on December 25, 2015, 08:20:12 AM
I really enjoy looking at your sketches. They're rough, but that's their charm. I also get the idea that you know exactly where you're going with them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 01, 2016, 04:21:19 PM
Thanks DB. I don't really feeel great about them usually haha but I keep at it because it occupies my day. I hope I'm learning something at least
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/Jb0epiH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OKJMGK5.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 02, 2016, 04:02:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ItiJMl6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KSSiiuB.jpg)

Back to 2 ink drawings a day. Proportion and skill varies widely, but I'm hoping I'm making some sort of progress. I don't want to jump into a drawing book just yet because I'm feeling really lazy, so I'll just be doing these as basic exercises
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 03, 2016, 10:14:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/SNwqNkc.jpg)

I started Figure Drawing For All It's Worth by Loomis... Again. This time I hope it takes like Fun With A Pencil.  The difficulty is no joke though for me haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 11, 2016, 09:48:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/n5KvMoJ.png)

Trying to gain some practical skills that are actually needed. I love drawing and black and white but I'm frustrated by being unable to make graphics or 2d models, so I'll be tutorial hopping to a more reasonable level (Used to do this in the first place but it just sort of petered out haha)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on February 02, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
your work with faces has improved a lot now!
with the cup, the red circle looks a bit too round, did you add perspective to match the cup?
otherwise pretty cool job, did you use a vector program to draw it?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 02, 2016, 05:20:06 PM
Yeah, I did it from a vector tutorial and it was more design oriented than accurate. It was still fun to do though. I used Inkscape
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 04, 2016, 06:37:16 AM
its getting good lego  :ninja:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on February 04, 2016, 12:09:40 PM
thought it might have been inkscape. i used it once but im not really a vector person.
one might use it to draw backgrounds for stuff, since buildings are mostly lines, it should be easier to get a good drawing with perspective and stuff using vectors.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 04, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
So I hear. I haven't touched the program in a while, but when I get to it i'll check out tutorials in that direction
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on February 04, 2016, 05:43:55 PM
me too lol. i have such a long list of skills to improve :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2016, 04:35:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zoYnNKd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QuRsPyO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MYhOlUV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1sractK.jpg)

Went to a coffee shop and sketched random faces as they came by. I forget vital information too quickly, it's quite frustrating. Always makes me wonder what I lack to remember finer details like that. And forgot about the bicycles the most of them were moving along!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 07, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
Quote
I forget vital information too quickly, it's quite frustrating. Always makes me wonder what I lack to remember finer details like that
we forget information that we dont understand. for instance, if i showed you a sentence in english, you would be able to write it again, even remembering the font for the most part if needed.
but if i showed you a japanese/chinese/russian/whatever you cant read sentence, you wouldnt be able to re-write it, even though the information is roughly the same, we ar enot used to the format.

its funny, you often comment what i am thinking or have been thinking the last few days, and a while back i started doing gesture drawings from memory, ie look for 30 seconds, draw for 30 seconds without looking up. its surprising after the first set you can still remember what you drew to a much higher level. i plan on doing it a lot more regularly to improve my visual database

but sketching people as they go by is a great idea, you get used to the movement as well, which is neveer the same when copying a photo :P you also got an expressive quick sketch style going on there, so keep it up. dont forget to be bolder with thicker lines and quick block shading to express stuff, you always tend to draw quite thin faint lines.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 08, 2016, 12:08:25 PM
Thanks for the tips man, and that gesture drawing thing sounds really interesting. Update me on how it goes please! Of course, I'm impatient to get really good, but any repeateable drawing excercise that yields some result without a doubt that stays with you till later I'd love to try. I'm actually studying stick figures too. I'll ask for your thoughts when I get the scans up
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 08, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
stick figures are alriiiiiiiiight, but generally doing normal gesture drawings you start to use them subconsciously for some parts. theres a lot of tutorials that i want to do explaining my own processes to either help people or to be critiqued on myself, but i have a sort of tutorial phobia, which explains why i havnt done the pen one :P

i have a theory that if you draw anything, you will get better at other areas, just because your experience is valid across fields. like if you drew nothing but cats for a whole year, you would be better at people portraits after. obviously i dont plan on testing such an outrageous theory, but it occasionally explains why i am better at something that i have put no effort or time in whatsoever.

because fundamentally, art is just lines (or form etc), and practicing lines will make you better at drawing other sorts of lines.

my new gesture drawing program is nearly at its first testable version, but theres lots of random buttons and stuff everywhere i need to make it neat before i can post it here :P

sorry for the order of thought on this one:
regarding my memory gesture drawing, i tested it almost 3 weeks ago, and i can still remember almost half of the poses i drew, enough to draw them completely again. i am trying to improve the memorization speed, at least down from 30 seconds to 15 or something. usually it takes me as long to remember it as it would to draw it, since i am actually drawing it completely in my mind first line by line. i occasionally close my eyes during the 30 seconds to see what i have remembered and then i can focus on the parts i have forgotten. negative space is a life saver as well. i still move my hands during the 30 seconds memorization time, usually in the air as if i am drawing,or by my side, still tracing the lines in the air. it helps me , at least. if its difficult you can try out only memorizing a small part of the picture, such as the basic line skeleton, or basic gesture pose, and gradually add more detail as you feel comfortable. you will probably fail really hard on the first few, but you improve really fast as you learn what details you actually need to look at to remember.

i can understand being impatient to get good, every now and then i look the the progress i have made, which is not bad, but i cant imagine myself getting as good as the huge artist i admire. it helps doing it as  a job, because you are doing it so much. i am almost thinking about leaving my job in a year or two and seriously cracking down on it big time, but i dont know if i actually want to do art as a full time job anyway, i think it would become less fun. but thats another story.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 10, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
You have some pretty interesting insights as always, dude. I'm still looking forward to that software for sure. Please send it? I have so many useless screenshots.

I'm still trying to gain insights into drawing lines, especially when drawing people instantly on the street haha.



Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/aOltfdH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nQ223Xd.jpg)

Stick figure failure! But I wanted to draw something haha. @tramp this is not what I was going to show you later
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MK on May 11, 2016, 06:28:34 AM
Spoiler

(http://i.imgur.com/nQ223Xd.jpg)
Lego, your weapon of choice is wrong, you need a pencil, pen or brush (well any art media is fine but swords don't count)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 30, 2016, 09:33:08 AM
@kenshin the pen is mightier than the sword........:P

as regards the gesture software, i think it might take more than a while before its working, im spending more time drawing and i generally code when the drawing goes downhill. you are probably better off using posemaniacs and similar sites for the time being, as am i :P

looking at how to animate books often helps with posing characters, since a manga panel is just a snap shot of an animation really, so the expressions are often exaggerated. try and make sure that every body part is deliberately in a place, not just by the side of the body etc.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 30, 2016, 04:49:00 PM
You know of any animation books you can recommend? And yeah, I've always thought of manga like that. I'm still cursed by the impulse to always make close up shots rather than establishing scenes though.

For the sake of hand eye coordination I'm trying various portraits again. To see progress takes a long while but I think it's something nice to have every day under my belt. I can't imagine what leaps I would've made if I stuck to doing that at least for the past years haha. In any case, I hope to keep up the pace this time.

(http://i.imgur.com/bpb9R0S.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 31, 2016, 02:39:28 AM
something you might need to work on is quality of shading, i think your lines are a bit scruffy sometimes so it lowers the quality of your work. try to keep all the lines parallel, and make sure to start and end neatly at the edges of your area of shade.
of course there are other types of shading which are not parallel, but that seems to be the closest to what you are doing.
otherwise a nice portrait, try trying to sketch fainter so when you ink your lines you have just the one solid outline (even when sketching in ballpoint)
keep it up, any sort of practice will help you make improvements :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 01, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
I see. Haven't paid heed in these two drawings but I'll try seeing how that works out on the other drawings. Even though a ballpoint is still ink I get the same temptations I had from a pencil to work over the lines and the like.

(http://i.imgur.com/HcC9pLn.jpg)
This was from yesterday. The hair looks like stone. The eyes are out of sync.


(http://i.imgur.com/S5Ijj9l.jpg)
Really didn't enjoy today. The self loathing was set to 8, but I just went ahead and drew it. Horizontal flip taught me how badly I had lined everything up. Will need to watch out for that I guess.

Looking forward to the next failures! Mwahaha! *Breaks pen in two
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 04, 2016, 07:49:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f1CyqpD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rfmqxPx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3Bmapps.jpg)

Business as usual

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 05, 2016, 08:06:16 AM
thats a pretty decent middle one, a lot better than normal!
i assume it was referenced, but did you draw guidelines for that one and erase them or draw as-is? either way really cool :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 07, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Thanks suuper. I got a lot of likes for that one on DA. Well, it is referenced, but I haven't used the blue pen line method in a long while. Still crippling my artistic progress by drawing only with ballpoint.

(http://i.imgur.com/9KLzvpg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CPS1TI7.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 13, 2016, 05:32:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/D1tqaFE.jpg)

Been a bad week for portraits, but I haven't missed too many days at least. Details still intimidate me so I quickly dissolve into scribbling as usual, but I hope that after a while I'll make some form of level up or the other.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: The SlamJam on June 13, 2016, 11:33:54 PM
You're making some awesome progress mate!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 15, 2016, 10:29:25 PM
Wonky eyes, proportions off. One of those days, but I started with Loomis... Again.
(http://i.imgur.com/VvKGaBZ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uzaSVAU.png)

Figure Drawing For All It's Worth 01
(http://i.imgur.com/q7EgKPT.png)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 16, 2016, 04:54:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Cu7IaC5.jpg)

Loomis 2
(http://i.imgur.com/dKHv6Et.jpg)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 17, 2016, 02:41:09 PM
nice studies. your faces are looking good, its just getting those pesky proportions right :P
i did look at loomis once, maybe i will try again as well :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 17, 2016, 02:52:39 PM
Yeah, proportions are a real issue. At least I can try to remember the 8-head-height division rules.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 17, 2016, 02:54:48 PM
yes having a method to dividing the proportions up helps, its a bit harder to keep those proportions when the character is in a pose though so watch out for that :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 18, 2016, 06:01:13 PM
Exactly. And when it goes into foreshortening and the likes it's a whole different can of worms haha.

(http://i.imgur.com/pO4I9Uo.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tg41djm.jpg)


Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/HgViGjL.jpg)

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/legomaestro/IMG_20160618_0003.jpg

Very wonky days, but I got them done I guess. This is where I keep on quitting Figure Drawing For All It's Worth because it pissed me off how perfect the example figures were. Already reached this page three times before. This time I'll just continue along and take what I can from what I read and saw on the page. Sigh.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 19, 2016, 07:52:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/um5f6br.jpg)

Loomis. Did not go well at all

(http://i.imgur.com/zX8ZLeu.png)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 19, 2016, 09:15:52 PM
(http://imgur.com/zvljink)

Same, bruh. (Offers a sympathetic pat on the back.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 20, 2016, 03:51:05 PM
nice work again lego. you're certainly churning them out this time!

if your drawings are skewed (especially all the same way), then youve got a bit of basic co-ordination problem. my drawings started to skew a year a go and i didnt notice for ages :P
i think posture makes a difference, if you look at your paper at an angle, you tend to draw so it looks right to you, but then you move and realize how skewed you have been drawing. like you may have seen some people who write/draw with their heads on their desk, that is very comfortable, but you get some serious skew that way.
give it a look over and see if that is you, because that is one of the easiest things to fix :P
another basic problem is that you are not perceiving vertical and horizontal properly. i draw with a tilted head so this is me :P make sure your first basic guidelines are perfectly horizontal/vertical/straight and you may find your drawings are more upright :P
also drawing slower (with more analysis along the way) can have a large impact as well. when i draw slower i notice this as well.
hope one of them helps!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 20, 2016, 04:22:45 PM
Wow, Suuper, now that you pointed it out, I realize that I do the same thing and that explains so much. :ohmy:

I guess having so many sketchbooks and not having had a proper drawing desk for years will do that to you.

Anyway, lego, on the upside, your contour lines are still way better than anything I could pull off at my current level.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 20, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Thanks a lot Mahlua, also for understanding the pain haha. Yeah, a drawing desk is really a life saver on that front. In fact I still need to find something to prop my work against rather than having a simple flat surface. I hope you find what you're looking for...



@suuper I sure wish I read that earlier, I guess I'll have to see what happens with the next attempt.

I have a very bad but the only effective method for me when it comes to dealing with problems I can't understand: I just rush through it. As I've said I've tried this particular Loomis book several times and quit because I simply could not get past the first pages. It's a really bad idea, but I'd rather have my severly flawed draw-through attempt of the book rather than claim that I'll eventually get to it somewhere down the line. I just wont haha.

I'll try to pay attention to my posture though. I hope that helps.



(http://i.imgur.com/NvZbQ8t.jpg)

Loomis


In other news my lack of 3d perception is severely crippling in terms of understanding these pages haha. I wish I could but it just doesn't happen. Well, I hope I get some proportion from this at least.


(http://i.imgur.com/YhXuBEa.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 23, 2016, 03:31:10 PM
@lego better sooner than later :P

i wonder...................................................................................hmmmmmmmmm
regarding proportions, do you use guidelines a lot?
and i wonder if you can draw circles/curves well? i think you dont draw smooth curves much and this might be how you are holding your pen or some other thing which is preventing your from getting those nice curved lines......
-when you draw with ballpoint, do you find it hard to get a faint line?
-does the ink come out at full opacity with minimal pressure, or do you have a fair amount of control?
im wondering if i have reached a wrong conclusion about something at some point.
keep up the effort, and speeding through a problem is probably not the best way of improving at it, although if it works for you then keep at it :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on June 25, 2016, 10:12:31 PM
Oh lego that girl ur making my nose bleed hhhmmmmm it has its style i just feel it keep that style leg its epic  :hmm:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 26, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Yeah well, it's the cosplayer who is amazing. But thanks Killer B haha

@suuper Haha, I'm not mentally disabled if that's what you're getting at, just really can't be bothered to slave at my drawings too long. It just gets too annoying and I leave things be. I can change opacity when I want, and I've done those line and arc excercises quite a bit - from drawabox.

Yeah, definitely not the way to improve. One has to take their time with these things and study the drawings carefully, but I just don't have that skill. Just the recent Loomis pages made me not draw for two days straight because of how daunting they were.

I'll just continue slumping along I guess. Maybe I'll pick some things up, maybe I'll not. Just got to see I suppose.
(http://i.imgur.com/AUFtFzv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R0lcqmC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TlnuHnQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wu73vnh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/StWiFKp.jpg)

Loomis
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/IGvZwrL.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/npZRXUe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/SoC79qR.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 26, 2016, 08:23:01 PM
The guy running away and throwing his pencil is me. I know it's also you, but it's me. Perspective is death.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 27, 2016, 05:40:22 AM
It is a common pain.

(http://i.imgur.com/AltFsci.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/dsMYyTK.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 27, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
the bolder lined ones were quite expressive, well done.

I'm not mentally disabled if that's what you're getting at, just really can't be bothered to slave at my drawings too long.
haha no sorry i didnt meant that at all, i meant more like i think the pen always seemed bold, i wondered if you were having trouble sketching your first lines faintly, meaning that the drawing based off those lines would be skewed/wrong. if youre confident you have the opacity control and just dont normally put the effort in then thats fine, i just had to double check so i wasnt giving the wrong advice :P
in that case it might have been the scans looked a bit wierd to me, or my monitor is off coloured or something silly :P

for perspective, i just treat everything as a cube, and it generally works out :P
looks like you've got the hang of it from the last few so thats great!
also with practice eventually you dont have to draw all the guidelines out every time as certain camera angles you will use more than others, so its something that can still be improved at, even once you understand it fully :P
although i have a tendency to think that i can do it with less guidelines than i actually need :P

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 28, 2016, 10:03:14 PM
Ballpoints are awesome in that you can really lightly sketch and then work over those. I may just need to work with a free flowing pen though if it looks so weird.

Yeah, I was trying to unlock that ability by doing the 1,000 cubes thing, but I guess speeding through things does nothing for grasping a concept. I should've just worked on drawing 1 perfect cube after meditation or something hahaha.

I got some wins, but I'm hopelessly out of my depth haha.

(http://i.imgur.com/x5BGGkn.jpg)

Loomis. I love how he can draw the human figure with great proportions and then add detail to them. Amazing artist.

After training on building characters on the image, he works with vanishing points that come from off the image and I'm immediately lost naturally haha. I love you perspective.

Failed and moving on!

(http://i.imgur.com/W2vIEMc.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 29, 2016, 02:31:56 AM
ahaha the john and mary problems, i remember those :P
i think it might be you scan in black and white, not greyscale, so the sketchy lines look darker than they should, leading to my confusion :P but never mind as long as they are faint for you :P
i think speed is a crucial aspect of drawing, especially for manga/professional work, but at the same time i think you can only go fast once you get what you are doing. i would recommend picking a drawing that you have not drawn as well as you would have liked recently, and trying to redraw it, spending more time than usual. when you draw at your maximum, you can easily identify the next step you need to take in piproving you skill. but speeding through things, you can easily make mistakes that your full skill level would have avoided, if you get what i mean, so it makes more work for you :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2016, 04:43:10 PM
Yeaup, I do that a lot before I even post anything. I know what my problems are: Remembering things. If I could remember the way even eyes looked from the countless photos I've been drawing I'd have levelled up on that aspect at least. Breaking down images is also an issue. Proportions. 3d. Yeaup. There's a bunch.

(http://i.imgur.com/8wehMrL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RoCOTF8.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/C0NUVAV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/7SfU3nV.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on June 30, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
I know what my problems are: Remembering things.
that is so exactly me!

nice face studies again, i think to improve, try and focus on the angles of the lines, so when you draw parts of the face etc, you will be able to get it more realistic. after each line, double check that you have drawn what you are looking at. better to fix it sooner than later. hope that helps a bit :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 01, 2016, 08:29:13 PM
I love focusing on one area and then forgetting to proportion the rest. I love it when my brain just nopes out of paying attention to the detail or finds an urgent task that really needs to be done on the side right now when I'm drawing.

(http://i.imgur.com/N3maZmU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Mz9ax7G.jpg)

Loomis


I also love it when I draw in a slant. *flips table*

(http://i.imgur.com/wfz0yya.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 02, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
@lego out of interest, what reference do you use when drawing, is it a particular person or style, because the clothes are all very similarly styled and i was just wondering :P

but nice again, i think your detail work with clothes is getting better :P

and....DAT SLANT :P
just goes to show what you one is capable of when not concentrating, i need to be careful or i do the same. ironically, if you just rotate the picture, everything is fine, so really its not as bad as it could have been :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 02, 2016, 07:26:35 PM
I need to have more tools on the table I think. I wanted to be able to train my hand and eyes to be straight as lasers, but I think this is really where tools come in haha. I'll try with the basic school instrument with the ruler, protacter and 15 cm ruler

I use pinterest for reference, and love the steampunk cosplays that I find there. Some *cough* other cosplays too.

Dat Slant was horrid man. I have no excuse haha.

(http://i.imgur.com/t3qsqZq.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/ursotdY.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: The SlamJam on July 03, 2016, 02:33:51 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/t3qsqZq.jpg)

 :ohmy: :ohmy: I REALLLY LIKE THIS  :heart:

Fantastic job. We're all gonna make it bruh.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 03, 2016, 03:01:13 AM
We're all gonna make it bruh.
agreed. we are all in this together, and i so totally cant wait until we are all super good :P

@lego ahhhh i should have figured it was steam punk. that latest one is a lot better around the face area for proportions , and the lines are a little different, did you draw it larger, or use a different pen? because it looks good you need to keep that style :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 07, 2016, 12:09:34 AM
Haha it's the same ballpoint I've been using. I just had a good day haha. Thanks man. And yeah the pins I follow on pinterest are really good for that.

@Jamie thanks dude. It's all referenced, of course!

Finally caught up to a backlog of drawing that was really bothering me. Quality worse than normal, but meh. At least I'm back on the track... I hope.
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/hsgd6xR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WGvMes9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MFMCuoO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/15SnDVO.jpg)
Loomis
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/J8uc8y7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GMjLN6y.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/c5pYl4L.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YUmJJVz.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 07, 2016, 07:11:31 AM
Perspective huh very nice realism there i like the last and the girl with the gas mask is good too the constructions are getting better too hhha im impressed on the face lego theres a construction for realistic too hha  :tongue:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Miska on July 07, 2016, 07:23:45 AM
I see steampunks  :D
Very nice sketches!
Andrew Loomis' books are great for study/practise. Have you read drawing the head and hands from him? His way of drawing heads seems to be great and it's said to be the only one that works perfectly for drawing from any angle possible. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 07, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
Steampunk is life

Thanks Miska, his books are pretty dated and I'm not sure if there are easier ones out there, but Fun With A Pencil was a great one to work with. I just set a small daily goal and let it rip. If anything it's a great feeling when you'Re done.

I've seen Drawing Heads and Hands. If this ever possibly gets finished I hope to be able to take that on too. I really hope to level up after that one, at least.

Yeah, there's this great comic artist who used Loomis and Hogarth quite a bit, so I respect his skills. Dude was a beast.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Miska on July 07, 2016, 08:05:56 PM
Yeah, there's this great comic artist who used Loomis and Hogarth quite a bit, so I respect his skills. Dude was a beast.
Who is it?
Drawing head and hands is the only book i've read, only browsed fast through the others.
Proko's videos on youtube are awesome. I think he does great job explaining Loomis' way of drawing. I have never been bored when watching his videos  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 09, 2016, 01:30:03 PM
That would be Alex Ross - the name slipped from my head during posting - and apparently he even brought one of Loomis' last books to life! http://www.printmag.com/daily-heller/alex-ross-on-andrew-loomis/

I never heard of that one, and it looks pretty fun.

I hear a lot of praise for Proko's stuff. Right now I'm on a book run though, because youtube videos are great but the temptation to open other tabs or wander away, pause e.t.c defeats the purpose. I'm so spazzy like that. Maybe if I download them haha.

(http://i.imgur.com/XFGLx2l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3To5pmb.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/YUmJJVz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fCbyPyk.jpg)


The slant again.

I've pretty much faked understanding the perspective here. I get what he wants to achieve with the arcs, but actually seeing these figures in 3d space doesn't work. I just placed the lines as I thought they would best work. I don't see the cylinders or volumes in the shapes.

I don't know if I can train it, but I understand how useful perspective is more than ever. Loomis is a beast. I pretty much gave up on this second page, but I finally acknolwedged it.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Ryan on July 09, 2016, 02:34:17 PM
That would be Alex Ross - the name slipped from my head during posting - and apparently he even brought one of Loomis' last books to life! http://www.printmag.com/daily-heller/alex-ross-on-andrew-loomis/

I never heard of that one, and it looks pretty fun.

I hear a lot of praise for Proko's stuff. Right now I'm on a book run though, because youtube videos are great but the temptation to open other tabs or wander away, pause e.t.c defeats the purpose. I'm so spazzy like that. Maybe if I download them haha.
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/XFGLx2l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3To5pmb.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/YUmJJVz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fCbyPyk.jpg)



The slant again.

I've pretty much faked understanding the perspective here. I get what he wants to achieve with the arcs, but actually seeing these figures in 3d space doesn't work. I just placed the lines as I thought they would best work. I don't see the cylinders or volumes in the shapes.

I don't know if I can train it, but I understand how useful perspective is more than ever. Loomis is a beast. I pretty much gave up on this second page, but I finally acknolwedged it.

I'm confident you'll be able to learn perspective, or rather, train it. Do you have any other books on perspective?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 09, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
The one recommended by Loomis terrified me to all hell. I haven't looked into any others. Pitch me some if you know of any and I'll take a look at their pages.

I actually have How To Draw by Scott Robertson which goes deeply into mechanical drawing and has some nice 3d tips there, just haven't gotten into it yet.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 10, 2016, 05:13:02 AM
man lego youre posting so much stuff i cant keep up haha :P
it looks like your slant is getting better, although i know from my own experience it comes and goes when it pleases :P
yeah i sort of learnt perspective in school and didnt get it at all, but when i came back to it the second time it made a lot more sense. if you keep it up you will get better, although i think practise will help you get the hang of it, more than copying other stings, because it forces you to work out the perspective, and if you get it wrong, you now know one way to not do it :P
thats the stance ive taken with inking and colouring now, just get it finished and focus on a complete flow through to the end product, rather than keep improving the sketch phase :P
keep it up, you're doing more now than ever before!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2016, 07:32:40 AM
Haha so you claim! I've seen the monstrous projects you've been doing on your Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQui90Fdul7Rg84z_oWB64w)

I definitely need to have more Sketchup lessons from you.

The slant does come and go when it wants, but there's something to be said about being conscious about a problem for sure. I try what I can to keep things straight.

I actually have questions on that front: I don't think I know how to use rulers to keep my drawings proper 90 degree straight on my page. Embarrasing but there it is. Heck, protracotrs have been useless to me pretty much too haha.

That's a philosophy I can stand behind for sure. I'm bad with learning things by theory, and if anything my inner editor can immediately tell when something is off at least. So I might have to go Edison and learn how NOT to do perspective several times before I even learn to do it right.


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Loomis

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Landmarks. How could I have forgotten about those too. People mentioned those once or twice but I totally filtered it out. If there's something I want to learn before anatomy, it's landmarks, because it lets my lazy self 'cheat' anatomy by knowing where bones and muscles affect the way a figure looks.

They're so many to memorize, but even a well placed collar bone does wonders for a drawing. I love how expressive Kubo Tite's hands, arms and legs look because of landmarks. Definitely less indimidating than learning everything in a human body.

I don't like how little going over a page does though. Damn, Loomis. This book works better for people who've already started working out these sorts of things. I'm just using it as a flashlight to illuminate some areas I could possibly learn. There's no ways I'm levelling up my actual drawing skills through this pass, but I'm glad I'm about to reach the 50 page mark.

Hoping I get to continue.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 13, 2016, 11:37:50 AM
Bruh just looking at your sketch of the landmarks I feel like I learned a little something. Sweet. Yeah, I have kind of been using my own form of landmarks for a while, but more in the sense of proportion and where things naturally fall. I haven't really figured out much how to draw from behind, but I figure this little cheat here may help me with that.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 14, 2016, 07:40:47 AM
Haha, I'm glad those could be helpful in some way. They're a tonne of them though


When you mess up female eyes forget about the rest

(http://i.imgur.com/WlqYD0P.jpg)



Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/yNGQjol.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 14, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
I think you captured the perspective well on the first drawing O:
The eyes look pretty good though by themselves. If you were going to fix it, I think the smaller eyes would suit the face better. It looks nice on the whole!
*smitten by the realistic touch of it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 17, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Thanks Echo!

Haha well I should probably work with more realistic drawings: I just like cosplays too much haha.

(http://i.imgur.com/WlqYD0P.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/54uPOvy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ceVPL2B.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SAPnp7V.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bGoseRu.jpg)

I'd love reaching a time where I never feel apprehensive about drawing from a reference image. I thought it'd be second nature to me but I'm always worried about proportion and stuff haha. Maybe I need to cool off with figure drawing or something.




Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/RSzNYuq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2BTIpUw.jpg)

Guh, had another catching up session that was... Functional. Girls really are the hardest to draw. The rules are different in small but important ways that I really need to figure out.

This book is pretty extensive. I have no words.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 17, 2016, 12:34:33 PM
Girls are indeed hard. I've been working on figuring out the subtleties of their form for quite a while now as well. I think it has to do with all the curves that while you're drawing make you think it's too thin, especially if you've been working on the male form for a long while.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 17, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
Exacta
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: DBNext on July 18, 2016, 03:47:32 PM
Great to see you've been studying up on anatomy.
It's always nice to see your character designs.
This is something I noticed by going over some of your newest sketches; it seems to me that whenever you draw characters in small sizes (multiple ones on a single sheet of paper), you always get the anatomy right, but whenever you try doing big, detailed pieces, the anatomy sort of gets jumbled up and you end up with awkward bodies. It's a lot easier to spot and correct errors when looking at a small drawing, at least that's how I see it.
I suffer from this problem a lot, and I thought I'd share a workaround I've been doing. Instead of going straight to drawing on a big canvas, I draw the body/pose that I have in mind in a really small size. Once I'm satisfied, I scan it, blow it up digitally, decrease its transparency to the point where I can just about see it, and print it out. Then I trace over it, going in for details. I'm always against tracing, but when it's your work that you're tracing, you can never go wrong :D
Keep it up, and let me know if you need any help. I kind of miss those cheap tutorials I used to cook up lol.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 20, 2016, 12:24:23 PM
More like just going through Loomis. I cna't really call these studies because I'm just taking down the pages rather than repeating what I'm learning. I do hope I learn a bit though. And thanks. Remember, everything here is pretty much referenced.

I can't measure the proportions for close up shops that well. It's really a problem. That blowing up thing may be a solution for a piece I really want to get right. I'll keep it in mind man, thanks.

Haha you were always a boss at those DB. When I continue work on my comic again I'll be sure to ask for some tips. Thanks for taking the time to comment


(http://i.imgur.com/MKeIBzc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/04x4Sl7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vQidedz.jpg)
Loomis

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 21, 2016, 01:56:32 AM
pretty studies there dude thats really good i see the part and why theres no pinpoint to the parts so u can get familiar on it more the parts.Pretty well drawn there but its somewhat,fast drawn i think hha the scapula is one that i noticed attractive hah the shapes are good meanwhile the portrait and some sketches is good too,impressive hands there hhhaa im just getting the feeling that im incomplete wihout skeletal parts haha  :tongue:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 24, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Thanks Killer B. Well good for you man haha, I'm just no good at remembering these parts. There's just so much information at once my mind just blanks out and I can't follow every single body part. I'll see if that improves down the line.

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I've had some catching up to do.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 25, 2016, 05:52:11 AM
nice sketch leg
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 25, 2016, 05:53:02 AM
Thanks Killer B

(http://i.imgur.com/YWFF0YW.jpg)

Loomis

(http://i.imgur.com/BmK6VC6.jpg)

Messed up the knee position in the last one.

Cant quite make out all the divisions for each individual muscle

Bottom left doodle is from Loomis
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on July 25, 2016, 06:51:46 AM
pretty good studies dude like the way the muscles drawn hha your getting better men the first sketch with the owl too btw is it traditional dude? hah :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 16, 2016, 06:16:03 AM
great output and studies as always lego, i think cosplay is a great thing to study, because when drawing manga, that is what we will be drawing :P

as for upright lines, i generally use this trick for quick straight lines, you can also use it to check if a line is straight
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 27, 2016, 12:21:43 PM
Indeed. I'll need to look for many more at a point.

My scanner decided to die on me when I desperately needed it, so I've been continuing the loomis book on the side. Right now I'm four days behind again, but I'm glad to be able to scan my drawings again. Guess I cna't help but try to show my progress, even though it's pretty horrible stuff.

That trick is almost witchcraft, Suuper! You're really full of gems man. Cheers, I'll keep it in mind.


Dump alert

Daily ink drawings

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Loomis. I've decided for the later pages to only draw what I can actually construct myself, because I'm barely learning anything following what I see on the book, rather than understanding how things are constructed. I'm so frustrated that I haven't learnt much anatomy even though it feels like I should've. My memory just sucks too much for such things.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 28, 2016, 04:30:24 AM
i know what you mean about memory, i have a real trouble memorizing anything too. i think instead of trying to learn a lot, just focus on one small point, be it an arm, or just one muscle in an arm, but focus on the same thing every day rather than moving on. chances are much higher you will be able to memorize it.

eventually you remember a whole lot of different points and they help you when drawing. thats sort of working for me, but its slow going :P

your loomis ones are really well drawn, especially the first 3 pages !

as for your daily ink drawings, its great to see so much output, but i would love to see more detail in the drawings, especially the wrinkles and folds on the clothes, which will help when you construct your own clothes as well.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 28, 2016, 08:28:02 AM
As far as I can tell I can only make wrinkles when I understand the underlying form. I can only understand the underlying form when I know anatomy. Then I'm back to square one. Dunno where to start on that front.

The worst thing is even if I memorize say a hand I can't rotate it in space in my mind. Just so many fundamentals to grind it's downright depressing

As far as detail is concerned I really feel its useless without knowing what I'm drawing in the first place. All the pretty painstaking shading in the world won't save a drawing with bad proportions and perspective in space. Makeup on a pig and all that.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on August 28, 2016, 10:21:02 AM
Remember Lego, reference photos are your friend. Even top level artists use them. And I don't mean simply copying other people's work. Grab a friend, a camera, and have them do a bunch of stuff while you take pictures.

As for as things like a hand, keep a mirror nearby, or take a photo of your own hand.

Even Leonardo had some model for the Mona Lisa
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 28, 2016, 03:35:51 PM
wow lego you always say what i am thinking.

the underlying form: yes, me too, thats why i did millions of gesture drawings and studies to grasp that form. keep it up and you will get the hang of it :P

rotating stuff in space: damn yeah me too, after drawing for a while i can sometimes do it, but again it takes a lot of knowledge to build up a 3d model in your head so more studies will improve that as well.

i see what you mean about the details. thats true to an extent, but i think if you dont add any details, you arent practicing getting it wrong either. i cant really explain it well but if you dont practice it at all, you wont improve at all. what i sometimes do, is practice different stages of art (sketching/inking/colouring) on other peoples work, to skip the stages that i am bad at. for example, colouring lineaarts skips any problems you have with drawing because you have a "perfect" lineart to practice. i sometimes practice inking over linearts as well, and i improved quite a bit, which i could then apply to my sketches, and i could see why i wasnt able to get a high quality previously was the quality of my sketches, not my inking skill.
try grabbing a random picture off the internet, like of a person in t-shirt and jeans, and just sketching a new outfit over the top. thats something that im trying to do this very moment in fact, but with my own pre-drawn poses (doesnt that defeat the purpose?- i dont know).

hope some of that made sense, keep it up and well done as always, it looks like we are both dealing with the same sort of problems, i will let you know if any of my solutions work wonders :P

and coryn is totally right, even pros use reference so its not wrong to use it. although i dont want to believe it haha :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 01, 2016, 11:20:21 PM
Going through a short ebook on drawing cartoons and comics. I want to grind the absolute basics again, because Loomis always leaves me feeling so stretched out in territory I have no idea where to start from. Trying to put drawing from photos on hold for a bit tell I learn more of this stuff

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Loomis

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 02, 2016, 08:26:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pBN9xNG.jpg)

Loomis
(http://i.imgur.com/PvEO1Bi.jpg)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 03, 2016, 06:49:07 AM
so youre studying all about animation dude haha let me give you more principles

1drag
2anticipation
3follow thru
4ease in ease out
5staging or thumbnails
6timing
7exageration
8pose to pose
9arc or path of action
10dynamic
11coution
hha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on September 03, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
understanding animation does indeed help when drawing still shots, actually its harder since you need to define the whole motion on a single frame. thats why manga tends to be to expressive, because a lot is going on "at the same time"

good studies, the expression on the torso/pillow thing was quite good
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2016, 09:49:08 AM
I forgot to reply to your earlier post suuper. I'll try to keep the outfit thing in mind, but perhaps more for my own mannequins and figures than anything. More than clothing on limbs though it's the underlying skeletons that are something else.

And yeah, I've seen how important it is to think of motion when it comes to drawing, and I think I'm definitely going down the toon route rather than very humanoid looking characters. I just need that level of characterisation and caricature to do what I want.

It's from a book I'm learning from so none of the work is mine! Just a heads up.

@Killer B haha I thought you were reading directly from the book. The next step was indeed anticipation. The book is only 30 pages so not much to have to go through.

(http://i.imgur.com/cvMkcR8.jpg)


Loomis
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I went through more pages than I usually do in the day, because I really want to be done with this book. I have a lot of daily routines where I nickle dime my progress, but I feel I need just a little extra push to aim for goals rather than to endlessly train. I know learning never stops, but I can do a little more than I give for myself. I'll at least have less guilt for when I miss some days.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 04, 2016, 03:07:17 PM
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Loomis

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on September 05, 2016, 05:03:59 AM
thats a lot of studies leg haha amazing
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 06, 2016, 03:29:23 PM
Thanks Killer B.

(http://i.imgur.com/EEDjECD.jpg)

Loomis

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Vio on September 06, 2016, 03:39:08 PM
These are looking good, Lego.  ;D

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So, how long until we start seeing your characters posing Jojo style? :ninja:

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 06, 2016, 03:48:41 PM
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNKge3G_460s.jpg)

Bahahaha. I'm not that far gone yet.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 07, 2016, 01:24:58 PM
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Loomis

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 08, 2016, 12:58:13 AM
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Loomis

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 16, 2016, 12:26:36 AM
Loomis - Figure Drawing for All It's Worth: Finished
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I made a pretty long post about finishing this book, but it all boiled down to: Go ahead and do tutorials and read books as reference, but the most important learning for art is through experience: Just draw, draw, draw  and keep an eye on the world and you'll be fine.

Man it was a long post. Dammit MR.

I'm happy that I managed to finish this. It was eating my life and I was going to jus tbe doing a page a day for a while but decided to burn through it and here I am muhuhehehehehehe.

Sigh.

I wish I could say my art improved as a result, but while I did observe some things, that's still a road yet to be travelled.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: The SlamJam on September 24, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
your art improved drammatically since starting loomis. Well done!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on September 25, 2016, 07:30:30 AM
very nice studies :) keep it up!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 25, 2016, 09:12:28 AM
Thanks Gabryel, and cheers Jamie! It was really a struggle, but I do hope I learnt something from it
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on October 02, 2016, 04:44:31 AM
oh  i havent looked into this massive studies its amazing leg how much time have u spent on this  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 02, 2016, 07:07:10 AM
Thanks Killer B. It took about 2 months give or take. I'm still tired out by it all to be honest haha. I haven't gotten back on the study horse for ages since then.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 12, 2016, 04:33:17 PM
Feeling rusty on all fronts, so I'm getting some tracing paper and attempting something similar to The Insane Massive Training Project. I'll just be tracing to try to get a feel for how the manga pages are made. The panels, the dialogue boxes, the placement of the characters e.t.c

I miss the pen drawings too. I'll see if I have it in me to try that out.
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 14, 2017, 01:12:37 PM
I found a super long tutorial on how to draw hands. I'll jump in and off of it when I find the motivation.

https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/human-anatomy-fundamentals-how-to-draw-hands--cms-21440

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 09, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
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After a legendary drought, I decided I needed to grind basics again. I'm going for 10,000 stick figures or mannequins this time.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on March 14, 2017, 05:42:29 AM
Oh wow 10k?! Good job on the first 100 anyway, and my respect to your determination :D From what I saw of you, I'd say your stickmen are already very good. Stuff like the last ones are probarbly more what you could need practicing, to get your brain to understand the forms around the sticks. Favs are 23 and 24, looking smooth!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 23, 2017, 12:16:41 AM
Thanks for the comments Gabryel. I definitely need to work more on emotion and proportion than just doing the stick figures as they are, and I did try to do what I could, but I can only hope that I have learned a little something.

As far as determination goes: It's the complete opposite. I was feeling completely unable and unwilling to draw or even write, so I said I just go ahead and do this.

45 days later, I finally did it haha.


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I finally drew 10,000 stick figures.

Between bus rides, lunch breaks and waiting for the train and cafe visits I drew stick figures. I checked out some youtube videos (Surprisingly useful stuff there) and internet image searches to inspire myself, but otherwise made sure to just draw. Some were mannequinish, some were scribbles, some somewhere in the middle. Several wrong, I guess, but in the end, I counted them all and drew them all.



I had off weeks, I had great days, I had more of 'meh' days where I knew the task and did it without complaint. Something that is phenomenal for a noob artist like me, because as much as I love drawing, it is quite the angst-filled road for me.
 
I've come to accept as I've mentioned in earlier grinds, after finishing loomis and tracing 200 pages of Bleach that I'll never 'level up' or at least become a badass great artist. It just won't happen, dudes, and duddettes. Passable, maybe, but that ideal that I have at least shall never be grasped, and that sucks all kinds of lemons, but fine, deal, where do I go from there?

I looked for an excercise that 'could be useful technically' but also 'fun', and that was the stick figures grind. Just as I like to participate in NaNoWrimo to write bad novels, I wanted to draw simplistic things just to have something flowing.



Ah, I wish I could describe the entire process better. I have learned so much from the whole thing that I'll be talking about it for days on end, and I do think it's changed my mindset in a big way.




Sadly: I've realized that only I can motivate myself to draw. I'm too screwed over by self deprecation to be able to take critique and grind it out like the pros do to improve my art. I can only draw what I want to draw and do what I want to do.

Happily: I'm really interested in collaborations and the like now. Knowing my level in art and my wishes, I can finally look at great art and appreciate it without comparing myself to it.  It's sort of like i've been learning in Sociology: 'The Frustrating Fact of Society' (literally translated from German) - An individual has individual wants and needs, but all humans require society. So sure, I pull up my collars and say 'I'm a lone wolf and want to do art my way' But i'll still need to participate in the community.

Otherwise I'd be writing this entire thing in my journal and post to myself, pat myself in the back and look in the mirror and have a conversation with myself.

... Hmmm... That could be an idea.



In any case, the milestone has been passed, the deed has been done. Hell yes.
 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on April 23, 2017, 04:52:15 AM
Lego after drawing 10,000 stick figures.
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But seriously Great work!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 23, 2017, 02:13:29 PM
Oh that is amazing.

ONE STIIIICK

Haha I've found a new avatar.

Thanks Kean. It was an experience.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Ryan on April 26, 2017, 04:29:43 AM
I like to think that you did an ode for every person who has ever said "I can't even draw a stick figure."

I can't wait to hear more about what you learned from it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 30, 2017, 04:44:42 AM
Thanks Ryan! But like I said there's no drastic level up here, let alone any hair loss haha.

If there's something to mention is that it trained my resistance to monotony a little. My latest project is drawing from life as I'm in the bus, train or whenever I can to train my eye to pick out small objects. I'd been doing this a while when I first came here and always played with the idea, but always dropped off.

After the stick figures grind though, it's been a matter of course.

3d forms refuse to compute as always, and the time I have to be able to pick out an object is quite quite slim, but the frustration is not as bad as it used to be. I'm not excited as I draw, but a little numbed by the pain that I used to have.

I have a mantra too 'If I'm too scared to draw it, I'll try it out.' #

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Not that there isn't a lot of self-swearing going on.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on April 30, 2017, 03:49:50 PM
I did post some complicated images to use as reference in the background workshop, so that might help you continue with the 3d exercises. I look forward to seeing what you'd do with it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 30, 2017, 05:09:42 PM
That sounds like a plan...  For some reason your images aren't showing on my PC though. Gotta use incognito mode to load them I think. That happens to me sometimes with suupertramps' images haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on April 30, 2017, 10:12:07 PM
That's weird. I'm just using Photobucket, as always.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 02, 2017, 06:34:58 PM
Photoshop can be really weird like that...



So I'm on a new stage of drawing, but it's no fun at all. I'm just drawing from life, trying to fill every second I can with looking at whatever is before me, whether my hand or impossible architecture out the window and drawing it.

Having an mp3 player is proving to be helpful sometimes, but oh my word there is an almost physical pain in my brain when I try to draw things I feel completely unable to comprehend, especially the more industrial things.

I had a pretty long day, but in the end it was interesting I suppose. I honestly don't know what exactly to focus on or get to next other than shoes, hands and buildings though, so I'll just keep at it.


Incoming sketch dump

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on May 02, 2017, 10:03:05 PM
Good work on the hands. Love all the background drawings  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on May 03, 2017, 12:49:44 AM
Hmm...this seems like a really cool exercise. I think I might start going around town doing the same, like I did when I found all those neat photos. It might do me a little good to get back into the game. Besides, I still have a sketchbook or two that could use some filling up. Thank you for the inspiration.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 03, 2017, 12:51:26 AM
Cheers Mahlua, like I said in the other post you have more of the mindset for this sort of thing so I think you'll level up pretty well when you get at it. Will be looking forward to your stuff!

@Keane thank you!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on May 03, 2017, 09:20:42 AM
Your hand studies are getting better! Keep it up!

For the next step, you could try what my father taught me. He broke down the hand into cubes and cylinders, or told me to draw simplified skeleton hands to grasp the movements of the fingers.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Ryan on May 12, 2017, 12:21:41 AM
Physical pain in the brain? Yes please  ;D

That is a sign of learning and adaptation to the challenges you are giving yourself. Pain is the best. I wouldn't be surprised if all the best artists are masochists.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 12, 2017, 05:45:32 PM
Your hand studies are getting better! Keep it up!

For the next step, you could try what my father taught me. He broke down the hand into cubes and cylinders, or told me to draw simplified skeleton hands to grasp the movements of the fingers.

I'll definitely try that out later down the line. The thing isI understand what people are aiming for when they say 'break down a form into 3d shapes' but I just don't see it. I can fake it, sure, but I don't see the invisible 3d lines behind the shapes haha. But thanks. Your father is an artist?

Thanks for commenting!


Physical pain in the brain? Yes please  ;D

That is a sign of learning and adaptation to the challenges you are giving yourself. Pain is the best. I wouldn't be surprised if all the best artists are masochists.

At this point I'll even end up accepting that title. More than masochist I'd just say I'm realistic about my faculties. I'm done searching that epic height of artistry I once wished for. I'll try to improve, but there's no chance I'm getting that absolute devestating knowledge of space and room that the likes of Kim Jung Gi have. Not fun to admit, but it is what it is. In the mean time I'll draw.


Not an excuse, but the majority of these were drawn in transit. I know it's frowned upon but I depend on my symbolic break down of things I see out my  bus/train window to draw the images. My backgrounds are sparse as it is, so if I'm able to at least use some of the elements of what I see it'd make them look at least a little more interesting.

I'm also getting a feel for drawing the pubs/bars I visit. Makes for interesting times.

When I have no reference at all that interests me, I draw my hands instead.


Incoming dump.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on May 12, 2017, 10:37:25 PM
Well, look at you, drawing everything under the sun. Keep it up, man, and eventually I'll be starting to do the same thing, going around town with a sketchbook, drawing everything. It'll be a fun thing. We could probably make a thread about it...Eventually.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 14, 2017, 01:17:49 PM
wow, super large sketch dump! love it!
its a nice idea to draw while you are travelling, because other than reading or listening to music, theres not much you can do, and if yours journeys are long and frequent enough its a lot of time you can use to your advantage. plus when you draw a manga, you will be drawing a lot of these everyday items anyway :P
i sometimes use google maps street view to get some inspiration from different countries' streets :P
good work on the hands, they look really realistic. and overall, your drawings are less sketchy, probably because you are drawing them faster, but they look nicer, and more easy to see what they are clearly.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 14, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
Actually you can spend hours on your phone forever, so yea for sure, it's either music, reading or drawing for me. I'm trying to win as few minutes as possible back from my phone as I can haha.

Cheers suuper. I've found general sketch runs and dumps have made me feel better about drawing than waiting to sit comfortably at my desk and come up with something great. I guess it all comes down to mileage, in the end.

I'll try the street view thing at one point, but for now I want to draw scenes that relate to my daily life, otherwise I could google anything at my computer and just have a folder with a thousand images = me waiting to sit at my desk or looking at my phone for reference again.

I guess because it's traditional? But yeah you could be right. Because I'm forced to be economical with my lines I don't have as much time to pet them as I usually do

Another sketch dump

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on May 14, 2017, 04:32:01 PM
I love the building, cafe and hands :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on May 14, 2017, 11:20:29 PM
Particularly, I love the coffee shop. You're developing an eye for detail and constructing it. It looks like you had some perspective intricacies going on with your eyeline shifting. It makes an interesting curve.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 19, 2017, 03:10:42 PM
Thanks Mahlua. I'm just trying to get a feel for things now. I'll need to look into drawabox.com though at a point to level up my mechanical skills.

It's been a long week: Music is always a salvation when it comes to drawing. It helps my mind drift haha.

@Keane Fox thanks!

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 20, 2017, 05:11:12 PM
I could google anything at my computer and just have a folder with a thousand images
that is 100% me lol

and you are seriously pumping out the sketches!
something you might want to try to help improve your memory, is after drawing something, try and draw it again from memory. because you have drawn it recently, a lot more details will be in your memory, but you still get the practice drawing it from memory which strengthens the details in your head.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 25, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
I could google anything at my computer and just have a folder with a thousand images
that is 100% me lol

and you are seriously pumping out the sketches!
something you might want to try to help improve your memory, is after drawing something, try and draw it again from memory. because you have drawn it recently, a lot more details will be in your memory, but you still get the practice drawing it from memory which strengthens the details in your head.

Haha, I just really got a boost by the stick figure thing. Now that I know how much time I actually have in my day I've put aside more time for drawing. It's even cutting into my novel reading time! I never thought that't happen.

I'll try the drawing thing from memory after a bit. A lot of my routes tend to have the same objects, and right now I'm just trying to flex my muscles and reduce the headache when I stare at complicated shapes. When that fades away I'll think about really attacking the forms I see and 'breaking them down' as they all say you should do. I still see jack cheese when it comes to looking at forms in life. My xray doesn't exist.



It was a nasty week for more reasons than the bad drawing trips. Bad sleep patterns only made it worse. I'm so glad for the long weekend I get to have right now. Really needed it.

I think I might end up using the inkier pen more when I'm really low energy. The thing just glides across the page and ets me put down ideas clearer.

But the ballpoint is still king of versatility when it comes to being able to shade and put in light lines.

Circles and straight long lines still prove to be impossible.

Bumpy buses destroy all accuracy.

3d forms refuse to be seen.

Same old, same old.
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 07, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 07, 2017, 10:08:19 PM
Noice. I see that people have started popping up more in your sketches. A day or two ago I drew some stuff that was hanging out in one of my classrooms, but it's in my notebook, so I'll have to scan it at some point because pencil doesn't show up well with my phone, as we have discovered.

It's always a pleasure to see your updates. Sketchdumps give me life.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on June 09, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
You're improving alot, lego! The sketches are great, especially the third page with the bottle and the bag and stuff, and some like the view from the back of the bus. I'm getting into that kind of sketches atm too, to get a better feeling for perspectie and proportion. Sadly my scanner died on me T_T I need a new smartphone that makes some decent pictures, then I could maybe use instagram to show some of them ... anyway, great stuff!

Also, the hand drawing the bicyle (guess it's yours XD) is so much better already than the last hand studies I saw from you. Good job! And thank you, because seeing you guys sketching and improving motivates me to do so too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 28, 2017, 06:19:46 PM
Thanks, Gabryel. I know the feeling of scanner blues. Those things are indespensible when it cmoes to uploading drawings really. I used to work with a camera too but it was too frustrating haha. Wishyou luck on finding that phone.

Yeaup I haven`t yet gotten the nerve to draw other people`s hands, but I will try.

Glad I could inspire you a bit! I`ve been having the worst of times, but I`m glad to see that after looking up from it all I was still drawing more or less.


@Mahlua Yeah. Dat anime sickness got me bad, though. I look at collected works of renaissance artists and just melt at how good they are at capturing faces. They draw noses and cheeks well enough without making women look ugly or men like babies. I don`t know how it`s done.

How is the sketch game going your side?




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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Manimal on June 28, 2017, 06:33:09 PM
Keeping up with the sketches, cool stuff. A lot of it to. Seeing all the faces is neat especially because there is variety there. You get the shapes of things down pretty well with some very fast lines. The object studies and settings look cool here.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 28, 2017, 06:52:32 PM
Cheers, Manimal muchly appreciated
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 28, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
It's nice to see your stuff around again. Seriously, where've you been all month? Haha, out sketching, looks like.

As for me, I haven't had much of a chance to do a lot. I've actually been working on letters as a side thing, but that involves a lot of writing over myself so the pages are illegible at this point (but it was a good exercise nonetheless). I've been busy elsewhere, though, as I'm sure your "evil twin" will tell you.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 28, 2017, 07:22:52 PM
I wish it were that glamorous. Damn dragons.

Ah, penmanship. Wherever you`re updating your progress on that I`d like to see it because I have a doctor`s handwriting and no excuse to back that up.

Do you mean legoc? Haven`t met him in a while, but I`m curious. I`ll go digging around the city to see what`s up. Unfortunately I`ll look like a spam ninja for a while as I catch up with everything, but meh, everything`s got a price.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 28, 2017, 07:24:51 PM
Do you mean legoc?

I dunno. It's the one who knows how to deal with those color-coded death puzzle cubes. :glare:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 28, 2017, 07:34:33 PM
Well now colour me concerned.

Quote
color-coded death puzzle cubes

Coryn? Or the tans?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on June 28, 2017, 07:37:39 PM
...Yes?

Or I could ruin the fun and just point out the fact that there's literally a link in my description.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Nairbons on June 30, 2017, 01:11:40 AM
I don't know if it's the skazillion stick figures or the life drawings, but it's always fun to see you improving. Especially when you keep cranking out sketches (and bonus guest star Poetry) like you do. Makes me all warm and fuzzy to see you drawing on the right side of the brain.

Which brings me to my question: have you heard of or read that book "drawing on the right side of the brain?" I may have left and right mixed up here. Your drawings of hands just remind me of the high school art class I took that used that book.

Keeeeeeep it up!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on June 30, 2017, 05:51:09 AM
Whooop! That café sketch, awesome!

Have you ever tried to draw human skulls, lego? I did that alot and it helped me to grasp the hape of the human head, because if you draw people you see, your mind always "helps" with informations or the feeling of knowing how it should look. That is difficult to overcome because we have so many informations about human heads and faces in our brain, and abstracting it by drawing skulls was a very good training to get away from that. Should integrate that in my drawing lessons ... *mumbles*
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 14, 2017, 07:51:41 AM
I took your advice Gabryel, and will be embarking on a journey of skulls at a point in time soon as I get the chance. For now this thread like my main art one has lost too much for me to even begin to think of backing it up, so I`ll hop to a new one when I finally have something to post.

@Nairbons thanks man! Appreciate that. And yeah I`ve heard of the book. I think my library is overloaded as it is, but I shall get my hands on it the first chance I get!

Thanks again!


@Mahlua Link shall be checked. I am finally free atm so i``ll be doing a lot more reading.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 20, 2017, 09:06:52 PM
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I've been on a drawing binge for the ages. It just sort of happened when I was playing around with one point perspective (and a little on iconography/symbology)

The cubes became mind-numbing at a point, but I definitely feel a lot better about 3d these days. At least a little more hopeful. I haven't counted, but I'm pretty sure I've hit the 1,000 mark by a rough calculation. Was an interesting rush.

As for the whole iconography/symbology thing. I've been gripped by the whole concept ever since I looked into sketchnotes. Why are some things instantly recognizeable, and some others not? Is there any way to use them to relay an idea fast in the simplest way possible? Most of the doodles here are referenced, but I think I'll look into it a bit more.
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Manimal on September 21, 2017, 08:52:09 AM
BOXES. SO MANY. BOXES.

Really nice to see stuff like this Lego, you are drawing so fricking much! Those little sketches are really cool actually, with the array of items you have going on and man, those boxes. That's dedication, surely yer 3D skills must've improved some after all that. What yer doing with those icons is really neat though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 05, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
"ode to a Lego brick"

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 10, 2017, 07:36:29 PM
suuper, you have no idea how much this comic made my day hahaha. Man how even and why!?

I shall definitely keep at it. I just need the usual bout of madness to strike me again.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 11, 2017, 05:25:29 PM
@lego every now and then i feel like expressing myself in art rather than text. hopefully it will happen more often now :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 26, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Haha keep at it then. I need such insta-comic slinging skills.

Been sitting on a haphazard drawing regimen. Mostly my own hands.  I wish I had something to take me up like the stick figures thing.  Those are always fun.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 26, 2017, 06:39:30 PM
Daaayum man, makin' me look bad over here.

Looks like your next step will be to start getting your pressure consistent. I'm having a similar issue right now with my tablet pen tbh, but you can really see with the blue pen where you get a little blotchy.

I'm glad to say that your perspective has come leagues above where you started from. Congrats, Lego! Maybe someday it'll reach Maestro level...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 29, 2017, 02:58:21 PM
@mahlua keep it up!!!!! its better to do a little each day than a lot in one go (basically the exact opposite of what i do :P)

brilliant quantity as always. more than before i'm feeling that your style is starting to become more uniform, and among those sketches there were some brilliant hand poses and character designs. good building stuff too.

perhaps try drawing the same character more than once, in a different pose or clothes or expression, that might help you to focus on maintaining consistent details. its something im trying myself as well, because in a manga you draw the same character(s) relentlessly, so being able to keep the details the same is very important.

you still sketch while travelling?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 29, 2017, 07:27:29 PM
I haven't been able to find the juice for it strangely. It's really frustrating. All I do is stare catatonic like out the window haha.

I hope to be able to do it again though.

I'm getting into comics a little, so maybe I'll be able to draw the same character more than once, but if you're hoping that I somehow get some consistency and order in my drawings, then you are dreaming a pipe-dream. It's just not my thing, unfortunately...

@Mahlua nein. Don't aspire to my lazy art heights. Defeat them. As for pressure, I hear you. These liquid ink pens are quite nasty when it comes to drawing, so I'll need to get back to bic a bit it seems.

And haha. I can't make the great Mahlua look bad. You have jokes!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 15, 2017, 08:46:01 PM
Ah, yeah. The plan is for me to start back up over the break, although I can already tell based on some small sketches I started earlier last week that I've lost my touch quite a bit. Hopefully it'll grow back pretty quickly, like learning a thing a second time usually does.

But I will probably get around to defeating you eventually. I just take the slow, I-have-other-things-to-do approach, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: OviumNoir on January 17, 2018, 07:05:08 AM
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I've been on a drawing binge for the ages. It just sort of happened when I was playing around with one point perspective (and a little on iconography/symbology)

The cubes became mind-numbing at a point, but I definitely feel a lot better about 3d these days. At least a little more hopeful. I haven't counted, but I'm pretty sure I've hit the 1,000 mark by a rough calculation. Was an interesting rush.

As for the whole iconography/symbology thing. I've been gripped by the whole concept ever since I looked into sketchnotes. Why are some things instantly recognizeable, and some others not? Is there any way to use them to relay an idea fast in the simplest way possible? Most of the doodles here are referenced, but I think I'll look into it a bit more.
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Lego! your mind reminds me perhaps you'd love some of Kim Jung's work (check him out if you haven't heard of him, your doodles on 3d objects in space remind me of his perspective work) If you do/already like him, Karl Kopinski I think is another guy you'll love, they have a doodle style (completely free hand, ink or pencil, absolutely fantastic) that I think you'll love.

Then there's this youtube channel: Moderndayjames who teaches exactly what you're doing in your doodles which is boxes in space, along with perspective,  with just the doodling/freehand style that you adopt. I think you'll LOVE that stuff especially if you're going in the direction I think you're going in.

(Didn't even know you posted work yourself, happy to see this :) )
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 19, 2018, 08:36:35 PM
Oh hell yes I know of Kim Jung Gi's work. I bought his french comic book - the only thing I could afford. His art books are too damn expensive :( - I even follow him on facebook, and he does streams pretty regularly.

Never heard of Karl Kopiniski though so hell yes and thank you Ovium.

I'll see if I can check out Moderndayjames. While skimming one of his videos I got the useful tip 'don't zoom in and out of a canvas' or something along those lines. Was pretty interesting to learn.

Haha yeah I actually do post stuff like this. This is more of a record than anything though, since it's not directly related to manga and anime in any way.





Been working on thumbnailing because I want to focus more on drawing sequential art.
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(https://i.imgur.com/c6RWwcb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sL7anuc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sDs5rUM.jpg)

I quickly realized I was being drained of ideas way too fast, because I'm still not comfortable with what I consider to be the holy grail of building up drawings: The square (rectangle), triangle, the circle and lines. So along my other odd life drawing regimens, my current main focus is playing with those simple forms. I hope to be able to realibly twist and manipulate them as I wish, and with the right shading give them different aspects. I want to make it a self study as much as possible, and honestly it's been really fun just screwing around and seeing what effects I can achieve.

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(https://i.imgur.com/9YA5X6E.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jiCcbII.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ddmDFua.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/X0xkYlM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NBQmrZz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/s2L5ivv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkInhHF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VHu85ai.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RjjhteW.jpg)
Triangles prove to be the most annoying forms to work with alone. They just beg to be paired with other simple forms. Circles and squares (rectangles) prove to be the most diverse.

I used to love cross-hatching at a point because of the cyberpunk mangaka Tsutomu Nihei (Sidonia no Kishi, Blame!) but the more I try it out the more I see how hard it is to use crosshatching to make forms look good. Darn it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 06, 2018, 06:43:44 AM
Warning: Lotso cubes

Drawing them was already hellish. I couldn't be bothered to scan so I just set up a tripod and photographed everything. Some pixels died in the process.

(https://i.imgur.com/mC6MSYl.gif)

Well this was the last cube regimen that I'll ever do. It took way too long, It was torture when I had a hundred pages left, it was torture when I had 60 left, and even worse towards the end, but finally I  filled about 250 pages with cubes and I am absolutely done. I postponed a tonne of things to finish this because I wanted to challenge myself for once at something.

I only have a couple of instances where the cubes were sort of feeling themselves in my mind, which is dissapointing because I wanted my 3d visualization to be on the level of a Byakuugan at this point, but meh, I'm just pleased to be done with it all. Mechanical 3d it is.

I'm looking forward to returning to drawing from life and all that jazz. Pretty stoked actually to have other things to tackle than these accursed cubes.

Nah, jokes. I love cubes.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on April 06, 2018, 07:40:00 AM
Oh boy that is pretty trippy to watch right after waking up...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on May 11, 2018, 10:37:56 PM
You've certainly kept yourself busy. I wish I can say I have been too, but alas...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 13, 2018, 04:15:30 AM
Doesn't matter how fast you run, all that matters is consistency, and after this epic excercise I haven't been doing much training haha. My cooldown time is still too damn high.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 06, 2018, 08:02:46 AM
Ah, the dreaded block. I burnt out after making comics for a bit, what isn't a good omen for my hopes of making them more regularly, so I'm trying to get at least something done by doing stick figures. Even those crashed and burned, but over time I've managed to get something out.

Warning: Some scrolling
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(https://i.imgur.com/kdWFZOl.jpg)

I'm amazed at how other stick figure artists can really show personality and action through such simple figures. I'm more interested in communication with art than ever now. I'm going to steer a lot away from photorealistic art and focus on expressive stuff. It's always been my jam anyways.

Proportions would be nice to learn though.

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(https://i.imgur.com/RZo6V9b.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V1K8NBw.jpg)
I had an interesting conversation with someone at a park while sketching and playing the guitar. Some punker types.  This is why I'm always walking around with a pen and paper. I can remember the context of whatever I was doodling so it's great.
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(https://i.imgur.com/hILMsFd.jpg)
Train, and my guitar on the left
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(https://i.imgur.com/BmDILpu.jpg)
Motorbikes. I love motorbikes. Motorbikes and watches: If I could ever be talented at something it'd be to be able to draw them at least. They're just awesome.
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(https://i.imgur.com/QzBqiyh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4f8OWeg.jpg)
More stick figures

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(https://i.imgur.com/LTohgHy.jpg)
no idea no jutsu
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(https://i.imgur.com/tgKY4PK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EbE6iCu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TXELwJb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EGwHBvG.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/HVRaYhD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jrF6qAU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TmQZYb1.jpg)
Thumbnails and draw-copies from Naruto. Kishimoto-sensei's backgrounds are amazing.
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(https://i.imgur.com/z3Umq68.jpg)
Used to do one of these every day. I don't have a theme on my mind at the moment so I've let it go, but it's always calming to work on these.
(https://i.imgur.com/tQbLvsL.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/bM7UuQX.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/T6aSmNB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zYNp53o.jpg)
My weaknesses/wishes as of now: The ability to draw animals, comedy in my stories, drawing larger women, texture and complicated mechanical objects
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(https://i.imgur.com/OQxdM16.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0iy47Fw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HTlcxKy.jpg)
I saw cars and said 'What could go wrong?' Many things. Several things.

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(https://i.imgur.com/ipeif49.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Xd7xiZC.jpg)
This half way between stick figures and fashion could be a thing for me. I'm forever hoping to be able to make cooler looking outfits for my characters
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(https://i.imgur.com/omuQuVP.jpg)
Moar figures

(https://i.imgur.com/6SlVF9a.jpg)
Moar figures.
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(https://i.imgur.com/BwaZeeP.jpg)
Plants are fun to draw when they sort of work out.
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(https://i.imgur.com/YLve2eZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ChC5sQ4.jpg)
thumbnails and some dude with a crown
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(https://i.imgur.com/rhzSyhZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/M9S361C.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1JFpV7h.jpg)
Was drawing classmates from a writing course i'm visiting. I've been lazy with life drawing and urban sketching. Must continue
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on July 06, 2018, 09:07:15 AM
The burn out is real. You should do some research into "differences of kind". Basically, doing the same thing in a lot of different ways. Keeps the mind fresh and not bored.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 06, 2018, 02:04:42 PM
That's still more art than I've done in the past month, man. I hope that I can pick back up soon. I hate burning paper, though, so it might be expected that I'll have pages scribbled all over with black and blue ink and maybe a couple different colored pencils. I've done it before. It looks like a hot mess to others, but it usually looks fine to me because I know what I'm doing, at least.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 06, 2018, 04:57:43 PM
I think I saw a smidgin of that chaotic scribbling of yours somewhere. Working with many colours is pretty cool. I need to try coloured pencils again at a point.

Haha like I said way back when consistency is more of my interest, and I haven't been consistent. Daaaaamn I keep on falling into the trap of waiting for inspiration.

@Coryn I actually have an idea for that domo.



Also Mahlua thanks for introducing me to her. Still stuck on one song by her lel. (https://i.imgur.com/11Q6kIM.png)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 06, 2018, 05:00:39 PM
All kneel in honor of the reigning queen of angry cyberpunk trash music.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 06, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
thanks for the scrolling warning. and there goes my internet quota @_@

so much in one go so its hard to comment on everything, but the life sketches are a lot more realistic in proportions and sort of, feel of the piece. the stick figures are also getting there in dynamics.

perhaps trading a little of quantity for quality wouldnt be so bad, as a passing thought, but some pieces do have higher quality so you are doing that anyway I guess.

when I get burnout on volume, I struggle to find inspiration for things. often though, its not inspiration I'm low on, its willpower. the effects are oddly similar but since i've noticed it, I've been able to churn out more when tired. obviously theres a physical exhaustion limit that you don't want to go past.

I also keep an inspiration list of the thing that I want to draw next, which I think of when drawing something else. Often inspiration comes all in one go and I cant remember what I wanted to draw when I finish the piece/sketch I was working on, so it serves as a RAM extension for keeping the ideas fresh. When I'm down on inspiration, I go through the list and usually find something completely different to draw. Once the item has been fulfilled, I put it at the bottom of the list, to eventually come around again. This also gives me a chance to improve on works of a similar theme. Actually, until posting this I forgot I had it, so thanks for the reminder. heres an excerpt of my list:

Its more like a tag-wish-list than an inspiration list, but it works for me
mirror /reflecttive floors walls ttiles etc
bedsheet folds
complex city/stacked houses. not cityscapee
pajamas
lighting,backlit from overexposed window
undersheets
(lots of )pillows
immediate background-contact items
props
gloves and lace
bandages/injury
hanging clothes/draped clothes
umbrella
ponytail

Actually, having a tag cloud for inspiration wouldn't be a bad idea.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 06, 2018, 10:29:40 PM
Your practicality will be the life of me, suuper. I am a man of several notes and the like. I think, why not make lists and stuff as well for myself? I seriously don't like letting my laziness and/or current situations dictate how much output I do for my drawings. I am already so lazy by default: I only make the situation worse by letting life's ups and downs dictate how much I draw hehe.

I am forever the quantity over quality man. I just want proportions to work out well for me, otherwise I'm seriously quitting on anatomy. I have a little hope for rudimentary 3d, but otherwise I'm only intersted in the expression of my art rather than the accuracy lel.

@Mahlua I am bowing forever. Gawd I love her look.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 06, 2018, 10:36:40 PM
I have neither quantity nor quality going for me, kek. Occasionally I'll post some garbage and it's fine.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 07, 2018, 05:05:12 PM
your description of your struggles is similar to my own. I get the feeling my art has shifted away from quality to quantity lately too. And not too much of the quantity either :/
I think really the only way forward, or at least the best way forward is to understand yourself well enough to know which ways will work for you, or make your own ways to suit your learning style. This is what I am starting to work on myself. Expression is an important aspect of accuracy, if I could only have one I would be stuck for sure :P
keep up the good work.
maybe try and do a bunch of fast drawings and then one slower one every now and then. I find when I slow down my art improves automatically because I am taking my time with the lines.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 07, 2018, 05:11:07 PM
Either way, both of you are quite inspirational to someone like me who barely produces any content at all. I haven't been keeping up with doing sketches or figures since December. I suppose this is a textbook case of  "the grass is always greener on the other side".

I suppose I can't sit on my hands and make the same mistake Lego mentioned of "waiting for inspiration". What tends to separate the big dogs from the newbies is that those who are serious, I find, usually produce something even if they aren't feeling that golden, mysterious "motivation" vibe. They create to create, not because something external motivates them to do so. It's an inner strength.

So long as you're constantly focusing on the ins and outs and questions of what works and what doesn't and you constantly strive to answer those questions with your creations, even some not-great quantity can lead somewhere. That's what I'd think, anyway.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 09, 2018, 04:40:57 AM
glad to hear you are inspired :P
yeah I think partly what keeps me going now (ignoring the bad patches from illness which continue) is that I view it as my job, so I am always trying to push forward to gain a portfolio and eventually commissions when I feel like it. From today I finally managed to make Mondays my "art day" woohoo (after lengthy discussions with my parents convincing them that art is my job). so from 9 to 5 I will be arting (although today I will be in the paddling pool a bit cos its so hot :P). Takes a lot of passion (=obsession), commitment, and expendable savings to do that though :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 12, 2018, 07:31:16 AM
Gawd why are you always active when I don't feel like being active suuper hahaha. But the discussions are much much welcome. And it's great that you managed to convince your parents about your passion. Man, you deserve better patches of health unlike lazy bums like I who are feeling OK but can't be bothered to use their time right.

I haven't made a quality drawing in ages, simply because I ascribe to the 1,000 sketches to 10 drawings. Although for the market it's better to really worko n something than to just spam drawings, I really need output more than perfection, because I lean towards comic making and animation than anything. (Animation is dead atm, but I've been making progress on comics at least.)


Anyhow, I've decided I'm going for a burn out. My mind is stupid and I'm actually excited about it. Instead of nickel diming  one regimen and staying within boundaries, I'm going to go on a wild art rage for a bit. I'm heaping all the projects on my plate until something clicks or not. I can't be bothered anymore.

So as of now I'm going to be doing 1,000 thumbnails, 1,000 hands and 1,000 stick figures. I need to add something more, like feet or something, but I'll see how it goes.

Best thing is there were some 100-sheet drawing books being sold for 99cents, so I'm happy as a cat in catnip atm. Gawd I love stationary.

So well... Here goes nothing.


Also, lots of scrolling. I need to resize the images.
Hands 24/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/15hbZik.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vOkNod3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PkHt7Gf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kxY1D7U.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XDpoDxa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ykIW479.jpg)

Stick figures 40/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/3LOeXjT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ij4o87a.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HVNBQ3H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/leb2q8n.jpg)

Thumbnails 18/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/hu3x5zR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XTiVFRR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0agffMp.jpg)


What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on July 12, 2018, 07:42:22 AM
Geez dude, those are some really solid hands actually.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 12, 2018, 07:59:50 AM
The pen has been pretty friendly with them, and there's something so fun and immediate about ink + reference literally immediately in your face instead of going on the internet and trawling for refs. Sometimes I zone out and it's pretty fun. I still haven't got the Xray thing down though so I can't build hands from memory just yet.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 12, 2018, 08:46:46 AM
The fat bunny is probably my favorite, lol. I've been up to some gestures myself. Should probably post those, although good luck making any sense of my sketch stuff. You number yours. I overlap mine.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 12, 2018, 09:06:19 AM
To each their own lel. I need the numbering to track my progress somehow. It encourages me a little, and I'm pretty sure I wrote '13' twice for the hands.

Oh man that bunny is the size of a small dog. I don't know if I want to pet it or eat it. So fluffy. So soft.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 14, 2018, 05:31:00 PM
very nice hands, and good sketches with just the one line rather than a bunch of lines. It makes it easier to see what you are drawing. good idea for the 1000x stuff output, I'm sure you will gain something from it.

I'm pretty sure I wrote '13' twice for the hands.
So you'll stop at 999? haha :P

@mahlua sometimes we encourage each other by the fact we are posting anything at all, regardless of the actual quality :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 16, 2018, 08:50:34 AM
Yeaup. Seeing peoples' processes is motivating, rather than just complete drawings appearing out of nowhere. It means the artists are not just robots that magically come up with complete drawings and stuff haha.

And lel negatori on the 999 haha.  I make the mistake all the time. I really need to organize my papers more, but I'm trying to be as free spirited as possible so that I don't need too much effort to just sit down and start making drawings.




Anyhow, here is where I'm at so far.
33/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/Oy4jlQ5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0UJZsKJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/C3q7ctG.jpg)

70/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/XAhjMpD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NjJs8n8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JKU6usF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eNvL0Go.jpg)

Miscounted the stick figures twice because of my disorder haha.

40/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/UwulKyn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SJsReh1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/E2BPcAL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/np8o7ZM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XmjUkxR.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 16, 2018, 08:54:01 AM
Good work on the figures and keeping up your pace.
And this may be a strange thing to say, but very nice fingernails. They're so aesthetically pleasing to me.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coach Fro on July 16, 2018, 01:33:11 PM
You really killed it with the hands man. Good job!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 18, 2018, 02:55:04 PM
Hands 50/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/62nLzoV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LoT9Eqz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/quRwSiH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rTJiQVt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6s1A9SI.jpg)
Feet 10/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/fCJhaHr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dgUXh44.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qb0okEa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SMd9C2g.png)

Noses
(https://i.imgur.com/OkaABub.png)

Stick Figures 91/1000
(https://i.imgur.com/rfdNzRf.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/y8tYzIA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UyEbTRl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/e9V6s2B.png)

Thumbnails 41/1000
(http://[img width=640 height=1048]https://i.imgur.com/r6aOUpb.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ohBQk2s.png)[/img]
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 18, 2018, 04:53:52 PM
wow you've really cranked up the output consistently the last few months or so. keep it up definitely.

-good shading on the noses
-good hand poses, they are some difficult ones to get good but you're close. if you do a hand pose and you think it turned out a bit worse than the rest, try drawing it again, but break it down and draw all the individual parts separately first, finger by finger on their own. then try and draw it again and you might find that it goes better. That sometimes works for me with faces although not consistently.
-good feet too because they are harder than hands sometimes

I think maybe the thumbnails could use a bit more detail. maybe use paint fill with greys  for the shaded areas? That way your sketch lines are more distinguishable from your shaded parts.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 18, 2018, 06:01:02 PM
Domo arigatou. The thumbnails are really dissapointing me for sure. I'm just not that into them. I'll see what I  can do about adding more contrast.

I'm using my own hand for reference, so I'm just playing around at the moment but yeah they're some grips that I'm willing to draw and redraw to really learn how to do them.

And dude, suuper you have no idea how little I wanted to draw these haha. But regimens never betray me it seems. Another nail in the coffin for inspiration.

Sigh... If I'd only been doing this since the first of the year I'd have been so far along by now dammit. I keep on forgetting that lesson of progress.


and late reply @Frono Thanks man! How goes drawing your side?

@Mahlua haha you have inadvertly complemented my finger nails muhuhahahaha. I shall now keep them as long as a vampires. Hands are fun. Pen and ink is fun. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coach Fro on July 18, 2018, 07:46:52 PM
I haven't been drawing much on my end. I've been more so focused on my writing (Bro, if you only understood how much I've been working on and obsessing over finishing "Drifter"), but I still try to draw a doodle or two to keep my mind on it. I'm gonna be transitioning to actually studying and working on my anatomy fundamentals soon, so look forward to that!

And man, your work ethic is crazy! It's no wonder you've been improving so much. Were you drawing from reference pictures you collected or were you drawing from real life? 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 19, 2018, 12:55:27 AM
If I worried about how far along I'd be if I started sooner, I wouldn't start anything!!---Oh, wait...>.> (Is exactly in that situation).

Good on you for keeping up the work anyway. Don't forget to sometimes try to draw the right hand.

And ugh, feet. The bane of my existence. Maybe I need to be the one doing a 1000 feet. Maybe then all my characters wouldn't look like they're wearing Kingdom Hearts shoes.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 19, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
Hahaha I've always loved those shoes. I think of them as Looney Tune Shoes. Now that I think of it, Bugs Bunny is actually a role model to me when it comes to drawings hands and feet. They were stylized so well. I'm surprised I survived not giving my characters 4 fingers.

I'm going to draw my right hand after I hit 500. So for now I'm on the left. Still too lazy to find right hands, and it's easier to just make a pose look and draw.
Quote
If I worried about how far along I'd be if I started sooner, I wouldn't start anything!!---Oh, wait...>.> (Is exactly in that situation).

Yeaup. My life forever.
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/JFZBFp0.jpg)

111/1000 Stick figures
(https://i.imgur.com/lpRH35S.jpg)
I miss drawing the real basic stick figures. They remind me so much of animating using Pivot and visiting stickfights.com that I can really imagine them in motion. Shall do more of.

46/1000 Thumbnails
(https://i.imgur.com/UeiSh3Y.png)
Just churned them out. Didn't apply any advice. Need a bit of time before I figure out what I'm actually looking forward to improving with thumbnails. 43 is actually a depiction of a sort of star ship that is controlled by mental thought alone. No hand motions, just a glowy ring that appears around the pilots' heads and transmits their thoughts. 44 is possibly related to the image.

15/1000 Feet
(https://i.imgur.com/8HexAmo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FmldAvR.jpg)
55/1000 Hands
(https://i.imgur.com/IxCaazW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wYxv9yS.jpg)
All I can say for now is drawing the thumb and index for a hand is super important. I messed up when I rotated the hand in space though so I have to figure out how the thumb looks away from camera and facing camera.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 19, 2018, 05:28:21 PM
OMG animating stick fights in Pivot studio ME TOO MAN, SO HARD ME TOO.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 19, 2018, 05:46:53 PM
You know Pivot?! Behold

TNT
(https://i.imgur.com/lR7s2ti.gif)


Stick FITE
(https://i.imgur.com/dcWnsLp.gif)

Man, there were some fun times animating stuff like this with a friend of mine.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 19, 2018, 06:00:34 PM
Most of my stuff was like random dancing and stuff so I focused a lot more on cleaner animation but yeah I grew up on the days of stick figures on crack, just before asdf. There was an entire website dedicated to stick figure games that I seem to remember, and boy were they all fantastic.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 21, 2018, 12:48:16 PM
ahhhh Pivot, good times. I actually got my dad doing that for a while too.
I was inspired by the "animator vs animation" youtube animations that went popular years ago.
good progress on the drawings :)

for drawing your right hand, just swap pen hands for a split second, pose and look, then go back and draw. Thats probably easier and faster than collecting reference that you are going to like and use. I do that a lot of the time. An artist is their own best reference, as is anything within their grasp or eyesight. I need more of my own themed pose and clothing reference, but don't fancy getting my family to take photos :P

or draw with your left, which isn't as bad as you would think after a day or two of getting used to it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 15, 2018, 11:05:29 PM
Lel 'Just be ambidextrous' You say. I think I'll also just go learn the B chord on the guitar and do that spinning B-Boy thing on a whim lel.

No, actually I did want to try training my left hand at a point, but that'll definitely have to be later down the line after these regimens are out of the way. I'm really interested in handwriting too. Any chance you've been levelling that up too, suuper?

Dude. You convinced your dad to do pivot? Impressivu!!! And yeah I totally watched animator vs animation too, after xiao xiao. Man that phase was epic. I was in love with stick animation man. It was so cool. There was a really nifty horror series that I followed that always sticks with me too. I'll need to dig it up at a point. If you have any Pivot animations, I'd love to check them out.


Anyhow, I've been at this hand drawing thing... I've totally neglected everything else, and at my most optimistic calculations it'll take the better part of a year to be done with only ONE of the regimens. Good stuff. I'm actually excited at the concept.  I swear if I ever hit 1,000 hands I'll never bother learning them again. I'll just be fine.

They're strangely therapeutic to draw, and they're also the ultimate accusation: I seriously have a lot more time in my day than I think. I mean dude days are LONG. My obligations feel like they last a million years and take everything, but even in 5 minutes while waiting for a bus or sitting at a table before a class starts or something I can draw 2 hands at least. Sounds miniscule but I otherwise cheerfully waste such moments without a second thought. I wish I were more disciplined.

Yadayadayada. A million thoughts. Anyhow, I'm at 191 Hands (Sorry if images are out of order I tried to scan and link correctly but meh.)

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on August 15, 2018, 11:08:45 PM
You got some seriously good hands in there dude! Yeah I think if you spend a year straight drawing hands you can probably cool it on actually practicing them ever again.

It's those little moments that add up. With writing and art you're so surprised how much time you can pull out of a day.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 16, 2018, 09:46:39 AM
awesome! It looks like halfway through you improved quite a bit. After a few 100 thats sure to jump up again and again. I can't imagine what sort of improvement you will get by the end of it. Don't forget to do drawings from imagination and memory in between, if you aren't already, to make sure your brain gets the idea.

I haven't drawn my own hands properly for ages. I normally glance at the pose if i get stuck on one and then draw from memory anyway. Maybe because I'm going for hard to see poses that I can't properly look at without twisting my wrist and neck to see it :P One day I'm going to take a bunch of photos of my own hands for reference.

Yeah I think if you spend a year straight drawing hands you can probably cool it on actually practicing them ever again.
yep I second this :P

Do you keep a stockpile of all that paper? It would make a great photo one day. I certainly have more than I care for :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on August 16, 2018, 12:18:42 PM
Sounds like you could benefit from putting up a full length mirror Suuper.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 16, 2018, 01:39:35 PM
ikr, that not a bad idea at least to have a small one on my desk for things like that. often the hand pose I want is not one from my own point of view, so more often than not I end up with a pain one way or the other. I have occasionally tried to turn my webcam on but it never worked well enough to bother doing it half the time. I'll be redecorating my room any time soon so I might think about where a mirror could go and other stuff.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 16, 2018, 05:41:46 PM
I could do with a small mirror by my desk at a point. For now I'm just trying to keep the steps required to get to drawing at a minimum to avoid slacking off too much.

And yeaup I stockpile way too much paper. I still have my stuff from all the cubes excercises too stashed away. It's always interesting to see how much I burned through (but there's still so much to do.)

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coach Fro on August 16, 2018, 08:32:26 PM
Yo some of those hands look so damn realistic. You're right dude, by the time you reach one thousand you'll have it already mastered. Good stuff indeed, Lego! 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 21, 2018, 06:25:36 AM
Not mastered, just not-guilty anymore for doing them anymore haha.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 22, 2018, 02:16:49 AM
well done!
these are starting to look more realistic and I'll tell you why - because you are controlling your lines better and when you draw the segments for the fingers, you are not exaggerating the curves as you did on the first few batches, they are just very fine curves that almost look like straight lines. I was actually going to mention that as a suggestion but it looks like your observation is on point.
overall the hands look really balanced so they are some really good poses. keep it up!!
maybe in some instances your shading is a tad too sketchy and looks messy, try and take your time even with that and they will look better still. even an extra 20-30 seconds per sketch is enough to add the shading more controlled.
1/4 of the way done with hands so far :P

also you're drawing the hands really large per page, which is great as you can add more detail when working at a larger scale. thats really good practice for when you work with digital more in the future.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 22, 2018, 05:54:44 PM
Large canvas is an advantage to digital art I never capitalize on, so I'll keep at in mind. As for the lines I really like the pen I'm using so it encourages that sort of thing.

The shading is always more of a whim though, I'm unfortunately mind-numbingly bored during some of the hands, but the output is reliable enough at least. I hope to work on shading at a point, it's a major and only factor in being able to fake the dimensionality of objects on a page.


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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 22, 2018, 06:53:39 PM
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100% True, although I meant more using all the screen space regardless of canvas size. so when drawing a character, zoom in for the face/hands and use all your screen space to improve accuracy, rather than drawing this tiny hand in a stamp-sized portion of your screen. Like even though you can see every pixel, you wouldn't do pixel art without zooming in right?

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I figured as much. my sketches vary in shading style and effort a lot as well. You can focus on that later on its own (which is also what I plan to do)

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That is indeed the harsh reality, but as you say, its the (almost) only factor, which makes it somewhat easier to tackle.

and good sketches. I especially like the ones you did with the fatter marker pens.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on August 22, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
O: Good work going on here Lego! Your persistence with the pen makes me impressed as always.
Thumbs-up on the hatching ^^
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 24, 2018, 10:24:49 PM

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 25, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
#260-262, #266, very awesome,seriously good render on them as well. I think when shaded well they just look more realistic as well
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
Yeah I can see that. Cheers suuper!

Okay then. Was away from work station for quite a bit, had lazy days but also good ones. All in all I've managed to draw 400 hands. I lost my freaking phone along the way so I couldn't reference my right hand as intended later down the line, so I just winged it. Went through a plane magazine for some references at one point, and now trying out drawing on a cheap book to spare me the pain of taking care of so many papers.

It's been draining, especially seeing as I still have 300 more to do. I'm still looking forward to finally hitting 1,000 though, and I'm definitely encouraged by how much I managed to do in a month. As always, lotso scrolling.

Attempting hands without reference has both a promising and discouraging result: I feel comfortable drawing them, knowing in general how the hand should look, but for any complex rotations I'm as lost as ever.

More than anything, I think I've just come to appreciate how much proportion makes or breaks the drawing of any image. I hope that after doing this I can at least come away with a more intimate knowledge of the length-width relationships of a hand, and a general greater ability to pay attention to such relations in other drawings. Man I want to get to comics asap.
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on September 29, 2018, 08:26:29 AM
Great work Lego! Really proud of you for keeping to your guns on this!

God though, there comes a point where you want to turn back, but you know the fastest way out is through  :ohmy:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on September 29, 2018, 10:53:30 AM
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@coryn that's brilliantly awesome advice :P

@lego duuuuuude haaaaaaands!!!!!!
great work in quantity and quality. You always give me a run for my money when it comes to scroll spamming :P really encouraging to see your hard work and efforts, and I'm sure you will reap great rewards.

however I would like to make a suggestion (one that I need to follow as well!) - that you try and draw your studies with guidelines, trying to break down what you see into basic shapes or construction lines, because you don't want to memorize individual images of hands, you want to memorize form so you can reconstruct it later and draw from new angles etc. If you cant redraw a hand (or anything else) you have copied before, then the act of copying it has limited value in my opinion. I keep forgetting to do this in my own studies, but in the instances when I have seriously thought "what guidelines make up this object/hand/foot", I have been rewarded with a step towards understanding the object. same with other artists work, I try and get inside their head and say "what guidelines did they use", or "why did they draw something this way instead of another way". it does take more time than just plain copying it, but I am sure it is worth it, and it certainly has been so far for me.
(Conversely you can think "why did I draw this wrong" on your own drawings to break down your mistakes and your own thinking patterns)

I love dem tiny hands tho :P
Thats almost the size I draw them normally lol

nice photo copies too (not photocopies lol)
I had a glance at amidoshishah and assuming you copied the image I'm looking at then you did a pretty good job. It looks like you drew it from a different angle though, so maybe it was a different shot after all. great shading on the faces throughout, even when you have just marked the shade area and not rendered it, you can see the form a lot more clearly. it does seem like your proportions vary during the drawings, so one face ends up larger than the other person in the shot, or the lips are larger than they should be etc (I can't see the images you copied to know if they are really like that or not) . the 2 bearded ones where you drew the beard are really balanced and good.

keep it up!
FAITO right back at ya :P

PS incidentally talking of counts, I drew just over 500 faces in my holiday bunch (although many were heavily incomplete), and I was noticing an increase in my skill with faces.
I therefore think your 1000 is not only an outstanding goal, but probably a very reasonable amount to see an increase in quality before and after. Any lower and maybe you wouldn't have a noticeable increase in skill, any higher and it would be a VERY hard goal to reach. It's reasonably hard :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 30, 2018, 03:49:43 AM
Even though I'm bleeding right now, I know at the very least there's no guilty feeling of 'I didn't try hard enough' if you do excercises in the 500-1000 range. I think I'm all tucked out of 1,000s though. Let me go 500 next time haha. 

Man it just occured to me if I did at least 1 1,000 grind every year from ages ago I'd be able to track my progress so much better at seeing where I'm at. I'll pay attention in the future.


My faces get slanted so much, and the lips get out of hand especially because of the teeth. In some situations there's a shadow between the lips so I have to invent something or three teeth are visible and if you draw them it's a fail. Female faces are also merciless: There are forms that show as light shadows (see contours) but if you dare display them in ink it looks bad (especially smile lines and the stuff)


Gah, I hear you on the guideline thing, I get what it's supposed to do, but I'm working with the theory of drawing through relationships rather than breaking them down e-g little finger is so and so smaller than middle finger and so on. I guess guidelines would make that easier, but I like doing it organically. Plus slowing down will be death. I'll hit my 1,000 mark and try that out for other studies.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on September 30, 2018, 04:34:45 AM
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I think I'm all tucked out of 1,000s though. Let me go 500 next time haha. 
well 500 is still definitely large. it certainly doesnt have the same impact as 1000 though. You've taken just over 2 months to get to the 700's, so 1000 is certainly looking like a 3 month venture. that's a lot when there's other things to work on as well. I don't know if 500 or 1000 would be better one way or the other as I rotate my studies very frequently, but it would help reduce the monotony at least.

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I'd be able to track my progress so much better
I cry at night knowing that I didn't do the redraw meme on the same piece every year to see my improvement.....
(That's partly because I didn't even know it was a thing for 5 years, and also because my paper organisation was so bad I never looked back to see what I actually could redraw. I'm finally sorting that out properly)

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My faces get slanted so much, and the lips get out of hand especially because of the teeth. In some situations there's a shadow between the lips so I have to invent something or three teeth are visible and if you draw them it's a fail. Female faces are also merciless: There are forms that show as light shadows (see contours) but if you dare display them in ink it looks bad (especially smile lines and the stuff)
I had that on my recent portraits - teeth and lips are a real pain. I try and just draw a tiny beginning or ending line for each tooth and skip the middle bit and it looks almost alright. you really do have to watch the shade and lighten up more than you would expect otherwise the mouth looks too dark in comparison to the rest of the face.
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but thats so true about the smile lines for female faces. You really need the tiniest bit of a line or a broken line and thats it otherwise you make them look old :P

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Plus slowing down will be death.
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Gah, I hear you on the guideline thing, I get what it's supposed to do, but I'm working with the theory of drawing through relationships rather than breaking them down e-g little finger is so and so smaller than middle finger and so on. I guess guidelines would make that easier, but I like doing it organically.
hmmmm I think I sort of understand you and fair enough there is more than one way to skin a cat. Guidelines can be whatever you want them to be though, so whatever helps you create a drawing, that isn't itself part of the drawing (such as a grid) counts. because when drawing say a whole figure, the guidelines stop you from messing up the "organic drawing". I think I sort of do this as well, I mean if I can draw it without guidelines, I will, so you're probably aiming at the step above :P

If you look at this I can explain it
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It's not like I draw guidelines for every finger and every joint (although sometimes I have done), because that part is drawing "organically", or from memory. but I still need a general reference as to where they are meant to go to keep a track of my lines, hence the circle which marks the wrist, and the palm and thumb marking which helps keep the control when drawing the fingers.

I break down my drawing into "global proportions" and "local proportions" ie the scale of a hand to a foot vs the scale of each finger in a hand. often when drawing I permanently draw "local" so I proportion my next line to the previous line rather than the whole image, so I lose track of the "global" scale and my drawing gets out of whack real fast. I don't think that's relevant but it might help in some bizarre way :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 30, 2018, 06:30:56 AM
Ah, I immediately thought you wanted some 3d grid-line for every hand. My mind was noping the whole way dude haha. I'm so desperate to cross the finish line end of this month or some time in the next.

Tell me moar about this rotation jutsu of yours. It could be the best way to avoid stagnating too. For example whatever level up I've done with hands might depress me when I still can't draw bices and triceps, or a good face. I can see that pain coming, so I'd rather I'd rotated a bit to at least cover other bases. Also yeah projects be suffering.

Dude that face of yours turned out too well dammit! Share skills! Share teeth drawing skills.

And paper organization? What sorcery are you using. I think you're one of the few people who outdo me on abusing using a4 papers, so I imagine you must have a warehouse level of paper to deal with. I just shove mine in a drawer and try to forget them. They're so many... T_T


And also @Coryn sorry for late reply but thanks dude! I'm sorta chuffed myself, and you know it. Sometimes the only thing preventing an iffy situation from becoming worse is just getting it over with. When your hands are already in mud best thing is to finish up your work and then go wash your hands.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on September 30, 2018, 03:51:17 PM
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Ah, I immediately thought you wanted some 3d grid-line for every hand.
As much as I want to say yes, no, no I didn't :P

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I'm so desperate to cross the finish line end of this month or some time in the next.
Ganbatte!

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Tell me moar about this rotation jutsu of yours.
It's certainly not as amazing as you think it is. It's more noticeable during my intenser study periods, but basically I start to get ambitious with my drawings and try and draw something cool, often before finishing I will realize that I lack the hand-drawing skills to pull off the piece I want, so the next few pages will be a hand pose study. By then, I fancy doing a difference piece entirely and with my newfound hand-drawing skills I start, but find that I cant draw faces in 3/4 view. So the next few pages I try and figure that out. Several pages later I now have my 3/4 face under my belt for the time being, but now I fancy drawing men instead of women. So the next few pages are male upper body. I then wonder how different men really are from women with regard to my guidelines, and then for a few pages I draw guidelines of male and female to try and figure it out. By then I fancy drawing a finished piece instead of these studies, so I start off with this cool idea. Half way through I realize that I can't draw hands........and so it goes on :P

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Dude that face of yours turned out too well dammit! Share skills! Share teeth drawing skills.
Well its a self portrait and it looks nothing like me that's for sure lol
I'll do tutorials and stuff "soon". It will probably be less of a tutorial and more of my own notes to myself that I decided to make public, but at least it'll get done that way.

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And paper organization? What sorcery are you using.
All my drawings have always been stored chronologically in those fat holepunch binders that hold 500 sheets or so. The trouble is that they are squirreled away in my cupboard and I never glance at them, meaning many WIPs that I said "I'll probably finish this later" have been abandoned!!!! So over the next few weeks/months, I'm scanning the WHOLE LOT to digital, renaming each file to date format like "2018-09-30 (3).jpg" and sorting into year/month folders. I also make copies for my portfolio folder, in which i roughly clean the image from the scraps of drawings that surround it using mspaint, and I do the same again with any WIPs in another folder. So far I'm about 8% through.
I'm also amazed every time I find a good bit of artwork I have done - I can't say I have the confidence I could do the same thing again even 2 years later lol

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I just shove mine in a drawer
My shelf is permanently bowed downwards thanks to shelving them before I put them in a cupboard lol

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They're so many... T_T
I know right... T_T

Can you imagine how much output would be generated if we collabbed on something @_@
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 01, 2018, 06:12:01 AM
A suuperlego collaboration would be ridiculously epic. But our legendary circumstances would make that quite hilariously complicated at the moment. I say shelve that idea for a day when we are kami-samas of knowing exactly what we're heading for and doing.

Gawd your shelf? I must see this.

As for the organization digitilization plan... That... That actually sounds like tedious work that'd totally free up your mindspace when it's done. I can imagine the suffering while scanning, but if you ever pull it off the benefits would be amazing. Go for it suuper


So THATs what you mean by rotation. You know, I think I could even add my projects into the mix. It sure as heck would beat stagnation, and I know I didn't start drawing faces in the middle of my hand excercise just to give me a challenge. It was starting to feel just a little stale.
     In a way I think knowledge is meant to be assosciative like that, instead of isolatory. Gawd shoot me if I'm wrong but it's that something like ROM storage where data is accessed sequentially on a disc versus RAM storage where data can be directly picked off from whichever? I think the human brain and skills in general are like that: The more associations you have the better you strengthen the knowledge, rather than just piling up and mastering only one specific node. As a simple but important example kids who can play games on the playground without becoming bullies or having grudges with other students throughout their student lives will turn out to be stable employees in the future (And they'll be healthier maybe). Something like that. One skill helps with another. Man I suck at sharing my ideas haha.



inb4 Gridline workshop anyone?


P.S Your wall of text sickness is starting to attack me.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 01, 2018, 06:35:52 AM
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I say shelve that idea for a day when we are kami-samas of knowing exactly what we're heading for and doing.
Regrettably agreed on that one :P

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Gawd your shelf? I must see this.
Unfortunately I just started redecorating and I chucked it lol. I do still have my cupboard though as that started to bow as well, but it's covered with stuff. when I get to it I'll take a shot just for you :P

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That actually sounds like tedious work that'd totally free up your mindspace when it's done.
Yeah I noticed it was starting to become mental baggage at some point, and although I will still keep the paper it will be so great to have the digital versions. I've already sorted over 100 WIPS lol. nothing like overkill :P

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Gawd shoot me if I'm wrong but it's that something like ROM storage where data is accessed sequentially on a disc versus RAM storage where data can be directly picked off from whichever?
I actually said this exact phrase to myself several months ago, but I have frequently said on here that memory is a legitimate problem with improving in art. I'm slowly building up reference of my own creations which I plan on finalizing into a mini notebook which will help me to not lose any good habits I've been building up. My book title was legitimately going to be "The artist's memory expansion - 2GB edition" (leaving space for a 4gb etc later lol) .I only yesterday printed out a size trial with mock pages to see how small I could get the references and still be useful.
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I got it down to A7. The idea is that it gives you an idea of what to draw, not an exact reference to copy. So when you're stuck for a hair style or pose etc, you pick a random one, using it more as inspiration than an exact thing.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wx4VePX.jpg)

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The more associations you have the better you strengthen the knowledge
That's why mnemonics help so much, but it's hard to have a mnemonic for art because it's so complex. I think that's why it takes so long to get good at art.

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inb4 Gridline workshop anyone?
I would totally be up for that :P
you mean guideline though? that typo gets me all the time. either would be great haha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 01, 2018, 06:40:52 AM
I actually said this exact phrase to myself several months ago, but I have frequently said on here that memory is a legitimate problem with improving in art. I'm slowly building up reference of my own creations which I plan on finalizing into a mini notebook which will help me to not lose any good habits I've been building up. My book title was legitimately going to be "The artist's memory expansion - 2GB edition" (leaving space for a 4gb etc later lol) .I only yesterday printed out a size trial with mock pages to see how small I could get the references and still be useful.
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I got it down to A7. The idea is that it gives you an idea of what to draw, not an exact reference to copy. So when you're stuck for a hair style or pose etc, you pick a random one, using it more as inspiration than an exact thing.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wx4VePX.jpg)

Shut up and take my money! I want your booklet and a tutorial on how to make my own haha! No more will I have to suffer when I return to my comic projects to keep track of my characters' outfits.

And memory becomes quite irksome. I wish I could say I even remember the feel of copying 200 pages of Bleach, but apart from some vague tips a lot of it floated away. Gotta just admit a man needs tools to help with the process of drawing. Some difficulties are not worth their cost in time.



And haha I meant gridline guidelines, like breaking down objects that intensely to see if you're correct in percieving forms on a 3d surface muhuhahaha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 01, 2018, 06:51:05 AM
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gridline guidelines
showoff :P

yeah it's much like learning a language to go back to that once again. even years down the line you can forget words, phrases and grammar structures that you might have spent hours getting into your head. (but it doesn't take as long to learn it the second time) Partly what I try and do with my study rotation albeit somewhat random and unorganized is to keep each skill in check and not forget, but art is such a large skillset that you inevitably miss something long enough to forget it again. Part of my other "really cool idea" that I had a while back was based on trying to cover each skill in a very short amount of time to prevent that very problem of forgetting stuff. but it's still in developmental stages.

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I wish I could say I even remember the feel of copying 200 pages of Bleach
I did some pages of bleach myself and while it wasnt as many, i remember at the time feeling something like "oh i get the hang of panel layout". I don't even know what that is now let alone getting a feel for it. Maybe if I had glanced occasionally at the pages I had done woud have reevoked that memory and the related skill. That's partly what my book is for.

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Shut up and take my money! I want your booklet and a tutorial on how to make my own haha! No more will I have to suffer when I return to my comic projects to keep track of my characters' outfits.
All in due time, my friend. If I do it properly, I might have it printed professionally and put it public, if not I'll make a pdf along with assembly instructions, or just make a bunch myself and send them out :P
the characters outfit remembering issue was also a reason I wanted some sort of database of references.
oh well, onwards and upwards :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 28, 2018, 06:35:00 AM
1000 Hands

So this is it. I am here at last at this humble hill of self imposed drawing madness, and I'm so damn proud that I could reach this.

I'm always trying to improve in art in general, I always am trying to get better at everything and anything, but I've gotten a bit fatalistic about the whole process. I keep on feeling that there is no true way to learn anything new, that there's really only the stuff you pick up over time and there's no way you can consciously advance a step forward in a direction you want to go. Things just sort of sort themselves out and there's no point in stressing yourself over it, or bothering about it. The best thing you can do is keep your eyes open.

I'd be OK with such a hard truth, but I would be much happier with the opposite: That you can push yourself to do something to explore an idea the way you want, that you can pick up a theme and practice it for your own personal satisfaction and go at it as honestly as you can, without the help of anyone or input of anyone, of your own free will.

I've let a lot of things slide because of this project, and to be honest at the beginning when I was nibbling away at the goal 10 hands at a time I thought I'd never truly reach the end. The fatalism was still there. But between some long stints of extra time and boredom I was surpised at how things piled themselves up over time, at how I had enough scrap paper and time than I thought.
One of the best things about all of this was the unexpected boons I got.

A guy who saw me drawing at an airport invited me to a VIP lounge and I got to eat all I wanted and tasted my first Johnny Walker whisky. I mean just how. It still seems like a dream to think about all of that, but even if I didn't learn anything from this whole thing, I know I got tangible monetary value from something that was truly only of aesthetic and personal value. It means that even I can talk down how nonsensical drawing 1,000 hands was, but there was real monetary value attached to it. A practical relationship between what I was putting on paper and what happened in the world.

And that's not counting the many, many interesting conversations with people who just happened to see what I was up to. It may sound sappy but I value those more somehow. And maybe I did have more important things to be doing with my time, but I know it beats scrolling and surfing endlessly on my phone as I tend to do. That's the thing: It felt like it took a lot of time, but I didn't drastically change my bumming around habits. I have a lot more time than I think, and I'll be glad to start up another regimen.

I remember embarking upon this because of a burn out. I don't know if I'm out of that burn out, but I know the solution to it now. God, I even let Inktober slide.
Anyhow that's enough rambling. Let the scrolling begin.

Seriously. There's lotso scrolling.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on October 28, 2018, 09:21:17 AM
Congratulations Lego! This really is an accomplishment!

I think your conclusion isn't necessarily wrong, but you're being too defeatist about it. Sure, you can't practice until you are satisfied, but I don't think that has any relation to your actual skill. It's not that you didn't get better (you very obviously got a lot better during this process), it's that we creatives have a flaw in our psychology where we shall never be satisfied with our work, and we always possess a situational blindness to our progress.

I'd wager that your skills increased exactly as much as you hoped they would. But it's not something you can just represent with a number on paper. It's buried deep inside your subconscious, and it will bleed out in your future work. The problem is that the part of your brain that goes "it's not good enough yet!", and your eye for skill evolved just as much as the part that's in charge of the skills. The relative distance between where you are and where you wish you were will never change, but they have certainly moved farther down the path.

This is why artists always need to take a little time once in a while and compare current artwork to artwork from a year or two ago. The changes are too hard to see one day at a time. But give yourself a wider jump, and it becomes obvious. Just like how we don't perceive ourselves aging. It just happens.

I'll be interested in comparing the next manga page you do to the last one you did before the hands!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 28, 2018, 12:07:46 PM
Well Done and CONGRATULATIONS!!!!  :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :dance: :dance: :dance:

In terms of work alone, you've managed to get through a tough "assignment" so you know what you are capable of doing in terms of man-hours and effort, which helps to gauge future "assignments".

I noticed a significant jump in quality around the 400-600 range, then a dip around 750, then 850-1000 again a much higher quality. You've gone through a lot of different styles and renders as well, which is great practice at the same time. I'm certain your attitude has benefited from seeing it though and completing it.

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I keep on feeling that there is no true way to learn anything new, that there's really only the stuff you pick up over time and there's no way you can consciously advance a step forward in a direction you want to go.
I sort of get you on that, but I just don't want to agree because I believe there is a method somewhere that we just haven't found yet. A bit idealistic, but I'm a dreamer :P

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Things just sort of sort themselves out and there's no point in stressing yourself over it, or bothering about it. The best thing you can do is keep your eyes open.
I sort of agree with this, in that you might not necessarily progress in the direction you wanted to at the time, but you progressed nonetheless in a direction.

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I'd be OK with such a hard truth, but I would be much happier with the opposite: That you can push yourself to do something to explore an idea the way you want, that you can pick up a theme and practice it for your own personal satisfaction and go at it as honestly as you can, without the help of anyone or input of anyone, of your own free will.
I'd certainly be happy with that, and I still believe it to a degree.

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It may sound sappy but I value those more somehow.
Apart from the value in building connections as a business standpoint, I don't think thats sappy at all to value those moments. It's great when that sort of thing happens.

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I even let Inktober slide.
Same lol but for different reasons :P
At least your reasons were actually art-related and not just "couldn't be bothered" or something like that :P

after auto scrolling for about 5 minutes I started to get seasick though lol.

good job in not just doing hands, but including the props that were being held.

looking forward to your next works!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 28, 2018, 07:00:30 PM
I'm looking forward to them too suuper, thanks! And yeah, there's nothing wrong with being a dreamer. I'm just very cautious when it comes to this arting thing haha. I don't want to give myself false hope.

Autoscroll took 5 minutes? Daamn.

And yeah my quality jumped all over the place sometimes. Strangely enough I got more reliable hands when I was feeling neutral, but yeah bad hands definitely came from low moods as well.


@Coryn I can track it down I think, and I'm curious too about how my new work will look. All in all cheers man! I'm so happy I could get this done, and yeah defeatism is my middle name (one of them at least). Working on it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 29, 2018, 03:25:43 AM
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bad hands definitely came from low moods as well.
I think that's a definitely interesting point, and I also agree, but then does mood count as a skill?
If you can control your mood to be the best for your artwork, then it's on par with hand/eye coordination and the like. I actually try and boost my mood to be more positive when I draw because when I am negative it's so bad it's not worth showing :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2018, 06:40:45 AM
Mood counts as a skill methinks. If you can't psyche yourself up reliably (As is my case) Then you need to at least be chill enough to flow when drawing. You don't have to be having a grand time, but you can't be having a horrible horrible time because then you'll really just suck at drawing. It sounds like a high bar esp. when you're a super critical self artist, but it's the same with everything else, and there's a healthy middle ground where you don't pressure yourself into feeling great but can at least do your work reliably. Make it automatic, like when you're riding a bike or something.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 29, 2018, 08:49:55 AM
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Make it automatic
Yeah I try for that sort of feeling, but it's oddly similar to telling a depressed person to "just get over it". As much as it seems like not a big thing to do, it's very hard to change your mood if you're on a downer. Sometimes admitting the mood you're in helps, and having a solid idea of the mood you want to be in. Just my ramblings.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 29, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Haha no that's true. Just rambling here too as if I'm a pro lel.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 30, 2018, 07:15:54 AM
that's some really nice sketches and great ink renders you got there. If your whole manga was in that style it would look great. that glass of water is very nicely done - you got the thickness of the glass, the glass base with the light coming through it and the lens effect on the ground through the shadow.
Shouldn't this be in Inktober though :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on October 30, 2018, 05:27:54 PM
:ohmy:

Well, I'm totally screwed now, lmao. By the end of that trip, you were totally able to draw a complete and acceptable hand by contour alone, with little to no construction phase. That's remarkable in and of itself.

So, when are you changing your last name to Kubo?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on October 30, 2018, 08:23:35 PM
I haven't constructed any of them actually. Been referencing my hand throughout the way though, so drawing without looking at my hand will be interesting. I haven't gotten around to that yet, but I'm not expecting much lel. This sort of stuff is frustrating like that. I thought I'd be a little better at 3d after the cubes but nope.

Haha after I try out Kishimoto and Shirow and all. Even though I really do love Bleach there are still to many other mangaka I respect to settle for only him and him alone.


@suuper yeaaaup! I was er... Preoccupied and totally messed up where to post. too late now lel. Yeah those were things that I was drawing from life. Pity about the beer bottle, but it was nice trying to show glass. It's like drawing water, really. Super challenging but interesting to try out since you've seen it done by so many people all over the world before.


So my next regimen won't be feet after all. It's figures/stick figures again. 1,000. It's going to keep me busy for a bit, and I'm throwing in some Naruto pages there to prep me for a future thumbnail-from-memory regimen.

I'm hoping that this one won't take up all of my time and concentration such that I can still exist and work on other projects. Like damn I haven't touched the VN in ages. And comics and stuff.

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Studying the page itself, it's amazing how much detail Kishimoto packed into minituare figures, such that even my drawings are incorrect. He could somehow depict trenchcoats, pose and weaponry that specific characters had in the crowd that was shouting at Naruto.

And I wish I could fill a room like he does. Every element just works together. And this isn't even him being serious. He levels up from this amazing detail to another level of cleanliness and scale. Bosslike artist.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on October 30, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Good gods, Shirow...

I guess if you're off doing that, then maybe I need to take perspective applied to the human form notes from Akira Hiramoto and general anatomy shading stuff from Nozomu Tamaki...and maybe some tips on just getting things done and letting the art get better on the grind from Akihisa Ikeda. (If all that isn't a huge statement as to what manga I read, I don't know what is...)

Tell you what, though. I may not count 'em off like you do, but I'll definitely start getting more on the ball once all my ridiculous life stuff starts coming back together.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on October 30, 2018, 11:08:12 PM
Geez Lego, no rest for the wicked eh? At least with stick figures you'll have a lot more freedom to mess around. Hands can get pretty static after a while I imagine.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on October 31, 2018, 11:56:23 AM
water and glass are some of the hardest things to render properly so it's good you even tried. maybe try 1000 bottles? haha

you know what Lego I might join you in that 1000 stick figure marathon. my drawings lack animated/exciting/natural poses so it would be great to have a bash at that. and to try out different body construction methods to see if any stick with me or not.

@mahlua well counting drawings and stuff can be a good incentive/comparison to keep the output up, although volume isn't everything, it certainly is something :P whatever works for you :)

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Hands can get pretty static after a while I imagine.
Especially if you only have your own hand for reference, you're limited in the angles you can draw it from as well.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 02, 2018, 07:50:24 PM
Yeah. I should've had a mirror at least. But it really was fascinating. I could've written a lot more on my post, but studying my hand like that was almost a spiritual experience lel. So weird.  Unfortunately I'm not yet at the level where I can sit somewhere and draw a landscape. The good old days of the Renaissance artists who could spend hours studying a subject are not mine quite yet.

1000 bottles? Gawds no! Don't tempt me so! I think I'd rather do that as a general 'still life' study or something. But you know what, I'll note it down. These days I'd rather feel guilty about a project I didn't do than just giving up without considering the possibility. (Looking at you 'draw 1000 watches' plan... Among many others.)

@Coryn yeaup. The thing is these regimens will be always be a failure if I consider them to be something extraordinary that takes time from my day. I want to do them like you write using Google Docs: Without disturbing my general every day life, just do these things on the side so that I can live while learning.


@Mahlua damn Nozomu did Dance in the Vampire Bund. His character designs are legiiiiiiiit. Also nose-bleedy in an uncomfortable way. Like damn. 

The counting thingy is weird. It does have very bad days when you're on number 56 or something and you have to reach 500 and you're not sure it's worth the paper (or even numbering them at all). But it really helps. You can be in an argument about how much you work on improving your drawing and vaguely say 'I have a sketchbook' or throw a number 'I drew this a hundred times. Literally." and feel proud about it.

At the very least, if a professional is critiquing your at they will have a better idea of how much you actually draw which will hopefully make their adviced more measured e.g you drew 10 stick figures vs. you drew 50 and still feel like you didn't get better. They can look at your work, evaluate it then suggest something.

I mean you could do that now: Which hands looked the worst? Which looked the best? What could I do better?
 



Anyhoo, without further ado. Figures. I should be more stick-man like but forgive me.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 02, 2018, 08:06:41 PM
damn Nozomu did Dance in the Vampire Bund. His character designs are legiiiiiiiit. Also nose-bleedy in an uncomfortable way. Like damn.

Eeyup. I have all seventeen (had to double check) volumes of the first season of the manga. I hear there's a new version/season called Scarlet Order as well? Saving up for that...and I'd really like to get my hands on Angel Para Bellum.

Hmm...now that I think about it, I draw really tiny, so like, I could totally fit more stick figures on a page. Plus I tend to do front and back. I wonder how many I could fit on one leaf of paper?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 02, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
Damn. That's a lot of volumes. You can be as cheap as you want, so 20 is possible, 15 is OK, 10 is e.z, 5 and they better look alive.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 02, 2018, 08:25:57 PM
I actually prefer to collect in omnibus. Sure, it's a little less nice than having each individual cover art in color like I have with Rosario+Vampire (took years to collect all twenty-four of those, started in middle school), but it helps sometimes with keeping costs down.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 02, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
I weep every tim I know I can't get Bleach or Naruto. I do have some volumes, but wowee it'll take a bit.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 03, 2018, 09:02:58 AM
yeah spending hours on one thing isn't quite something I'm happy to submit myself to yet. I can just about spend 2 hours on my better illustrations. a lot of my time is spent trying to increase my speed :P

actually watches have been on my mind lately, as it's an easy way to add character and detail to a person.

yeah counting can be a negative thing if you're having a slow day :P

wow, nearly at 250 already? gotta get myself in gear, can't be left behind :P
well stick figures is somewhat of a loose term to begin with, as long as you are exploring poses without the realistic proportions getting in the way, then I think that's fine. in face it's better in the long term if they are a bit blocky, as that makes it easier to draw figures and the like, and get that 3D rotation vision going.

depending on my mood I can probably get as many as 50 tiny stick figures to a page, down to about 6 at the lowest, but its better to have a medium level of detail and go the 10-20 range.

I normally try and buy books in bulk for keeping costs down as well. I've got about 300 manga and novels now. I'll keep you in mind if I ever want to get rid of anything :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 03, 2018, 06:19:11 PM
300 manga and novels damn. Did you go to a sale or something? And hey, I'm always open to some freeeee manga so I'll hold you to that .

Haha to be honest I'm not as happy as I'd like to be with how they look. I really wish I could standardize the process, or make some interesting shapes for the characters. But it is what it is.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 04, 2018, 06:31:08 AM
man you're getting even more ahead of me @_@
actually I wouldn't recommend completely standardizing the process/model, because at least by my experience, it helps to have a few different models to use, as sometimes the pose suits being drawn with a different model. especially when you starting going into perspective, a box model helps a lot more, but when i draw normally, i use circle and ovals a lot more. so really, do whatever works.

#272 is a good one for construction.
but remember something - especially in the arms and legs but everywhere really, when the joint bends, the fat/muscle etc change shape and become squashed/stretched/tensed, the knee even has an extra sort of joint, the kneecap, which affects how it looks at different positions. so even when you have a "perfect" box model to use, you have to remember that people's bodies change shape and are, well, squashy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 04, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
I'll take that sqaushyness advice to heart, because it's not only the physical forms that I fail to manipulate, it's the emotional aspect of characters that I don't know what to do with. None of my characters enjoy food, get tired, laugh or anything like that. They're always holding swords and guns and trying to look cool. I want to expand on that.

I did like 272 though so yeah.

Question: How do you feel about stick figures with  a ballpoint vs. a fineliner? I've seen the two tools handle so differently it gives a different feel for building up figures. ballpoint is good for feeling out figures but I seem to be more accurate and definite with fineliners.

I hope to make a lot more figures tis Sunday. I want to be at 500 by the end of the month at least.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 04, 2018, 11:57:40 AM
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None of my characters enjoy food, get tired, laugh or anything like that. They're always holding swords and guns and trying to look cool.
Same here, but all my characters are girls in jeans/shorts and a t-shirt, gently smiling. At least yours have variety in weapons and clothing and stuff :P

hmmmmm if it's just stick figures, there's much less of a difference between ballpoint and fineliner. I tend to sketch in ballpoint so I spend more time drawing a lighter version first to make sure I'm right, before pressing harder. With fineliner I tend to think before I act more because I can't sketch. I'll try out a couple of pages in each and see what difference it makes.

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I want to be at 500 by the end of the month at least.
well at this rate you'll be at 2000 by the end of the month lol
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 04, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
Don't tempt me lel.

Will look forward to your stuff.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 04, 2018, 01:36:25 PM
Yeah, there's a certain problem you've hit on the head there you two. I think that a lot of the problem arrives from the stramlined view we keep in our head of our preferred genres. For Lego's case with shounen, it's the swords and the cool posing that stick in your mind. It's not the little touches that make characters feel like real people that you get during your time with the stories themselves. It's like the old critique people often have of Hollywood movies. "Why do none of the characters ever use the bathroom? Even when it would make sense for them to at least dip off screen for a minute?"

It's because they're just props. Just chess pieces on the writer's board. Normally you don't notice though, because there's other things that make them seem human. But take enough of those things away, and suddenly you realize that you might as well be drawing mannequins.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 04, 2018, 03:15:21 PM
Funny enough I was reminded of the troupe https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLawOfConservationOfDetail?from=Main.LawOfConservationOfDetail

I guess it's technically the answer to why characters aren't overly life-like, but I rarely use even the Hollywood version of character building. Forget toilet breaks, my characters don't even travel from place to place.

That mannequin thing is the feeling I get from illustration in general these days. It's awesome to see yet another smexy woman with a sword posing suggestively in awesome skimpy medival armour but after some time my eyes just get glazed over. Where is the story? Why should I care about this particular character? Why do they fight?

I sound like I'm expecting grand stories for every character, but to be honest I'm fine with even a personality like Goku's to at least get my mind to care a little. Your character is a muscle-head who likes fights even to the detriment of his allies and eats a lot? I'm sold. If you have something a little more sophisticated sure, but please give me something to care about.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 04, 2018, 03:47:13 PM
I think that's part of maturity too. Along the same lines of "I realize that women aren't just objects to fulfill my sexual desires."

At some point you realize that characters are more than just  cool design. They need to be people. It's the shortcoming of basically ever writer that ever did writ (spelling intentional. Not that drunk.) You gotta make people, you gotta believe in them. Not just in their motivations, but in the fact that THEY ARE PEOPLE. You have to play the alchemist to the homunculi. Breath your life into them. Split your soul. Make them real.

Characters are our children. A children who is not cared for will die, or be stillborn. You must strive to create a person, not just a character. Only people can driver a story. Characters just live through them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 04, 2018, 05:02:38 PM
*10 hours of TV Tropes later*

I suppose what Coryn points out is that each artist has a style in how they show a story, as well as the balance of action/non-action etc. At the moment, Lego, your style is having cool poses and characters, much like JoJo's kinda main point was. So its possible/better to actually capitalize on that skill and make it into a style, rather than aiming for something else. just a bizarre thought I had.

But yeah it's true you can't have 100% cool poses without any proper character development or conversation, otherwise it's strange. but you can have a bias towards one or the other, hence the shounen and shoujo etc styles. I think I just realized something really obvious XD

that was a really motivational speech Coryn though :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 04, 2018, 05:17:04 PM
"Motivational speech brought to you by gin. Drink gin, drink London!" (British announcer's voice)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 09, 2018, 09:14:22 AM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 09, 2018, 02:49:55 PM
Nobody here but us stick figures. :ninja:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on November 10, 2018, 03:04:37 AM
They look pretty nice! I feel that you are learning fast. Are you using a wooden figure for some of them?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 11, 2018, 05:03:45 PM
Yes, his name is Mack

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I've been pretty lazy lately, but the stick figuring is going on.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 11, 2018, 06:54:51 PM
A handsome boi

He looks like he's been caught at the scene of a crime.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 12, 2018, 07:04:23 AM
I think at this point we can call them block figures
aha I don't have one but I want one. There was that really cool one I saw on the internet a while ago.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ROKOO-Movebale-Action-Figure-Version/dp/B077YJN56Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542024084&sr=8-1&keywords=artists+figure
Wow they're a lot cheaper than I remember, assuming this is the right thing (on a quick check these are the chinese rip off versions)
Once I get a 3D printer I'll definitely print my own haha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 12, 2018, 09:03:24 PM
I have one named Robert. My art major roommate also has an unnamed female one. They're set up in the living room and rearranged frequently into different poses at random intervals by all of us. At one point the female figure was dabbing and Robert was doing one of those Fortnite dances. Right now Robert is angrily shouting at the window from the windowsill and the female figure is doing that Marlon Webb run on the bookshelf.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 04:26:09 PM
That's like one of those scary movies where the puppets move when you're not looking a bit haha. I haven't tried Fortnite out yet but yeaup I get the idea. I googled Marlon Webb and realized that's my favourite pose to draw because showing 3d on stick figures is super tricky haha. Man that's some muscle strength.

You should use them occasionally for reference. They really do the trick.

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@suuper actually that's the model that I wanted. There's a better Japanese one that's expensive but so much more flexible but I'd buy that one too. Wait, isn't it more expensive to get a 3d printer first? lel

@ Coryn well he's a smooth criminal so i'd expect that from him quite a bit. ANd I wish I had his swag. He has been doing pushups and always stands straight. Mack is my rolemodel. But Mack is also a son of a gun. I'm jealous of him.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 05:01:09 PM
>_< you'll definitely finish the 1000 figures before me at this rate haha. well done and keep it up. great to see lots of different body styles and construction methods, although you might find it helpful to actually stick to one (or two max) methods which you can hone rather than jumping on lots which might hinder you, although it sort of works for you so maybe ignore that :P

those little perspective cubes making a comeback huh?
they're very useful for block figure construction.

yeah a 3d printer is obviously more expensive to begin with but I could make any sort of prop/figure I wanted, including anime figurines at a fraction of the price which would be cool. I actually want it just to muck about and make trinkets and stuff since I enjoyed having one when I was at work, the anime related stuff is just a bonus. Within a year I'll probably buy one, but I've been saying that for years :P

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 05:12:55 PM
Muhuhahahahahah! Nobody can stop my pointless regimens! Fear my attempts at bean counting every single stroke of my pen to validate my poor excuses for in-depth art studies! Muhuhahaha! Muhuh *sob*

Perspective cubes and thumbs are now forever in my mind.

Also I'm getting suspicious of stick figures a little after seeing some Kung Fu Panda shorts. I'm stuck between using Mack as a reference and just going with big expressive shapes, so yeah I don't know which style works. I'll see which one is easier on me for any of the random comics that I work with (Shapes vs. Stickblockfigures)


Damn when you put it like that that would be quite amazing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 05:29:50 PM
Almost every artist when they make a tutorial has a different way of sketching figures, so as long as it works for you, it can be anything you want. I doubt Oda-sensei uses any guidelines though :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 13, 2018, 06:07:51 PM
Y'all seriously almost make me wanna join in this silly 1k regimen. But I don't really have time for that. I do have time for coming up with hilarious ideas for your next regimen though.

I see nothing really wrong with Lego maximizing what he does with these figures. What shapes and construction types go into them is an important thing to play around with to figure out what works best for what kinds of characters and figures and a whole lot of other hooplah.

Also, that bed and the table and bench with the figures interacting with them. Jeez. Makes all of my perspective stuff look grody as heckie.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 13, 2018, 06:34:53 PM
Yeah I noticed those ideas lol. To be honest its good to have suggestions like that even if youre not doing it yourself.
Yeah my comment on having one construction method was to improve accuracy and realism, but since lego does a nice range of figures and body types its probably counter productive to his style is what I realised after typing it, hence my disclainer at the end haha. In fact I probably need to try out more styles to get more variety >_<
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 06:42:33 PM
Damn, I forgot my proper reply to your first post but you've cleared up your position so yeah I'll only say: If I can draw like Oda then I am OK.

(That also means: If I can draw like Herge' then I'm OK. That also means: I'm not out of the woods yet, there's still a room for being specific about stuff, because even the most super deformed characters from famous media have a background in good photographic research and reference)

@Mahlua Haha funny story: I stole those ideas from real life. I was in the middle of class and feeling sleepy so I low-key for a moment slept with my face buried in my hands and imagined that pose, then thought of myself as a japanese worker who jumps into bed after a long day of work without taking off his work clothes and his briefcase on the floor.

Dude at the table was literally sitting in front of me to my right. I concentrated on showing the pose of his left shoulder obscuring his face a little, while the pen in his right hand is visible. It's amazing how even as a stick figure I could understand the scene so yeah.

Girl at the barstool was just me thinking ecchi.


Also: 1K REGIMENS ARE ALL ABOUT NOT HAVING THE TIME TO DO STUFF. I literally do all of these things in the middle of appointments, bus-rides, watching random stuff on youtube, surfing the web. I number them only when I have time to scan them, and even then I forget the number I left off on. Regimens wouldn't be regimens if they took up a special part of my day. They are the way they are because I use them to waste time and procrastinate. Therefore it never feels rough...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 13, 2018, 07:01:57 PM
...That's fair, I guess. I get a little motion sick trying to draw in transit, but I do find myself waiting a lot. But then I always get anxious because I feel like if I start something, I won't complete it. My brain is mean to me sometimes. That's why I'm in therapy, lol. That said, it would be a good exercise to try to break my brain away from doing those kind of mean things to me where it's like "Don't start because you won't finish".
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 13, 2018, 07:41:30 PM
Yeah. The brain can be a nasty beast on that front so don't force it when it just.doesn't.want. All I am saying is literally only stuff that applies to me so yeah if it's helpfulish kudos if it's not thank god because I have no idea what i'm doing as an artist so yeah do you.

Also incase you think I consider 'stick figures' to be something complicated I really accept something like this as countable

(https://i.imgur.com/jYp8W6S.jpg)

As he says, I literally drew a stick figure just now by drawing a circle, a line, and two inverted vees. I added the speech bubble after.

This is how I did my 10,000 cubes excercise way back when. I literally went so cheap that I only cared about the numbers and not the 'study' or whatever. Seriously, Mahlua you underestimate how cheap I get when it comes to makign regimens. (So yeah I can understand if it's not your thing but this is how I do it)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 14, 2018, 05:49:14 PM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on November 14, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Good work! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 15, 2018, 07:57:06 AM
nice one, well done. thats a pretty good knight, the metal armour render is pretty good.
you're way ahead of me lol. I've just passed 300, but I havent been drawing much the last week. life and all that >_<
the tiny stickmen on that same page are also good despite their simplicity, you've still got a lot of energy in the poses. great to see some with props and weapons and stuff as well.
and thanks for reminding me to keep experimenting and pushing the poses and dynamics rather than generating "normal" poses. I think I need to try and push the body to the extreme to find out what looks wrong and unnatural and then tone it back so my poses have a lot of life.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 15, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
Next challenge: fighting that slant though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 16, 2018, 05:05:24 AM
the slant is a serious enemy @_@
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2018, 05:14:36 PM
Yeaup, the slant is a bitch. Thanks for reminding me.

I think after 10,000 the stick figures have done enough, and you're onto something with the props thing. I need to add more props to my stuff. For me props = clothing for now. And thumbnails. Gosh I need backgrounds.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 16, 2018, 07:48:26 PM
I see that sailor moon stick figure. I got your number!  :ninja:

Great job Lego!  So what comes now?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2018, 09:01:06 PM
Haha that was purely some subconscious shenanigans there I promise.

Well I was challenged to 1,000 kawaii poses so I'll work on those I suppose, but I want to improve my clothing and thumbnails. I'll try to mix up the stuff
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 17, 2018, 07:01:17 AM
great render on the armband and boot of #893. Not sure if thats shading for metal which it looks like, or just loose hatching, but either way its really neat, and really form-full.

and congrats on YET ANOTHER 1000x regime completed. you're getting the hang of perseverance in the face of monotony, which will certainly help when you are spending more time on manga pages to add details.

#837 you've got that right :P

around #326 the hands making a comeback haha. the extra sketches and hands on that page looked great.

as I said before, good to see lots of body types and experimentation going on. keep it up! You planning on doing both clothes and thumbnails at the same time? I probably need to do clothes and get a bit more variety in there :/

I think kawaii poses are sort of hard to think of, like often it relies on the clothes and face to make it kawaii, otherwise its just a generic pose. I'll look forward to what you make of it though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 17, 2018, 03:33:14 PM
I thought it was metal or something, but I really wasn't sure about it all. I just rendered it to be some sort of hard material.

Haha the hands were fun to do. I'm amazed that I can do them without looking now. I can sort of feel out how to draw a hand and that's... Handy.

Experimentation needs to go further for me really. I'm really bad at clothes and backgrounds so yeah I'll try to mix the two.

And yeah I think I might actually straight up quit on the kawaii poses thing. It's brought up an interesting philosophical question on what exactly is kawaii so yeah...

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 17, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
ba dum tss.
but being able to feel your way around hands shows the progress you've made and the power of the 1000x regime!!!

I think a pose/figure sketch can either be ecchi, kawaii, neither or both. it's all in how you finish it off as an illustration. some poses lend themselves to kawaii more than others, but I'm pretty sure you can do anything with anything.

also body type seriously helps.
for me at least:
full plump body = ecchi
loli thin body = kawaii
although many other factors play a role, like clothes, facial expression etc.

talking of full bodied figures, thats some great figures on that page there. while a bit too stylized to be realistic proportions, they are all what I would call "usable" ,as in they don't look wrong, just stylized.

maybe for an idea, go through your recent stick figure poses for pose inspiration and try and flesh them out properly this time. along with your other regimes, of course XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 18, 2018, 08:05:00 AM
No! I want to be a pessimist and refuse to acknowledge any progress made! Being hard on my art makes me edgy. How else am I supposed to attract nekomimi goth girls?

Your breakdown seems legit really. I think this is a study that I can't wing from my mental library - gon have to reference quite a bit.

I think I'll leave fleshing out for some of my drawings in my art box. Of course, there's one or two stick figures from my regimens that would interest me, but there's stuff that is sketchier than normal that I could try spurcing up in my main art box. We shalt see.

Oh shizznitt I just realized I haven't been drawing manga pages. That leaves me at a whopping 1/1000 pages draw lel
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 18, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
haha well don't spread yourself too thin on lots of regimes at once otherwise it'll take you a year to get through all your regimes haha. I think it's good to spend a lot of your time all on one thing as it opens more boxes in your head.

it's good to be hard on your art, but I think that's still possible while accepting you've made progress. heck I've made loads of progress but I'm still loathing almost everything I draw.

yeah gotta keep building up that mental library, as with greater skill comes greater ability to analyse new references.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: devola on November 19, 2018, 05:11:07 PM
I feel you on making cute poses, I feel a lot of it is somewhat in the eye of the beholder though. I find that context can make just about any pose kawaii and the opposite is true too. Either way great work on the recent figures, you and suuper have incredible output!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 19, 2018, 05:28:59 PM
I agree with the context thing. In fact, that might be worth a workshop topic, to produce different pieces from the same original pose.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 22, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
I think I need a light table? Or is it better that I do this by looking? Ah well, 4/1,000

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Why am I doing this lol.

I'm looking forward to learning to draw some fashion now. Maybe go through the continents for armour and draw those?

I'll need to bench 1000 thumbnails.

And I'll post this in my Art Box but...


I QUIT THE 1000 ECCHI FIGURES CHALLENGE.

It was a nice philosophical thing to learn, but it's impossible to make figures ecchi in and of themselves. I'll still keep the challenge in mind though, I do need to channel my ecchi energies into something productive... ish.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 22, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Hey, fashion is what got Kubo going so hard. It might not be a bad idea to go about studying it. Will probably give you a greater appreciation and understanding of how clothes behave to boot.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: devola on November 22, 2018, 07:19:00 PM
With regards to ecchi poses, not sure if it's entirely the same thing but I find that it all comes down to what you're choosing to emphasize in a pose. To make it sexy, I find that referencing gravure idols and the poses they use for photo shoots helps quite a bit. You sort of have to think like a pervert to put it bluntly.

Something I noticed right away is that a lot of the poses use arched backs, have lots of bends and show off a lot of curves and not just the ones around the hips but basically that the line of action is almost never straight. I believe this is done to emphasize particular areas of the body. The example I suppose is someone raising their arm vs. a gravure idol raising her arm. One is pretty mundane when you look at it, the line of action is probably fairly straight while the other is likely curved and bent to emphasize the armpit as an area of focus. The same applies to butts, hips, and almost any other part of the body can be sexualized this way.

I won't post it here because somewhat NSFW but you can google "gravure idol poses" to see what I mean. Hope this helps Lego!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 22, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
Thank ye muches for the reference material, Dev, mate. :cheer:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 22, 2018, 08:09:23 PM
What Mahlua said basically

Devola the hilarious thing is that I've just found the gravure model scene on twitter. I had no idea it existed for some reason. At least, I didn't know the term for it. Anyhow you can be assured I'll be looking into it. I'm amazed that 'real life' can approach the epicness of 2d gals so well. There are some legit models here like damn.

@Coryn you know Kubo has a lot of amazing designs, but its his skull shirts that really inspire me somehow. Simple design motif but I'd love to buy the hell out of them.

Come to think of it your profile pic would make a great shirt dude. Print one and sell it to me dude.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on November 22, 2018, 09:44:55 PM
Haha! I've thought about it before. One day I'll have merch. If nothing else, I like to use it as a sort of Prince style signature.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 23, 2018, 05:09:45 AM
@lego an impressive new goal as always. as for tracing vs looking, both have value, but probably looking has more value generally speaking. A cheapo USB A4 lightbox is only about $10-20 the last time I looked (combined with a portable USB power bank it's a cool idea). I've been thinking about getting one for ages.

@Devola thanks for that insight. I generally stay on the non-ecchi side of things but it's good to know there's a whole logic behind it.

I have a t-shirt printer btw lol (or rather my dad has XD). One of my long term goals is to draw something I feel is good enough to print on a t-shirt haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 24, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
Yeah I'll definetly get one later down the line. I remember it can be quite fun to mess around with, and I never lean on my ability to trace as actual skill so I have a healthy perspective on that front.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZsKk9N7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jBFWk0z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qGdK0fk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NXAxcdS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/egqkfWe.jpg)

Picked up a pencil because I have a huge amount of them lying around. Time to get them used.

Problem 1: I'm getting clothing ideas, but I feel I should've done cloth studies instead - wrapping clothing around forms seems more important than the super 2d stuff I'm coming up with here. I'll soldier on for the idea side of things but jeeez louise I'm failing to wrap clothing around bodies.

Problem 2: Pencils are too damn tempting - keep on making me think of redoing lines and erasing. Tis is why I like pen.

(https://i.imgur.com/lyI3JxW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VL08WUm.jpg)

This naruto thing will take a minute. Good. I'm going to be forced to work on main projects and have this regimen pile up numbers over time.

Was not a good time drawing them though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 25, 2018, 06:54:29 AM
nice alphabet practice. I sometimes catch myself doing that as well.

yeah you wanna ditch those pencils ASAP!

nice clothes practice, you captures a lot of detail in a nice simple style.

great manga pages
@sexy naruto
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(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/775/frabz-wait-a-second-thats-not-pg-84a64b.jpg)

as for which one (manga pages or clothes) would be better, I think if you do them side by side, or one after the other it wont matter, since both will give you a boost in skill. although you might want a certain skill sooner than another, which does make the difference of course. I think doing a lot of only one thing all in one go has an advantage in that you can really focus in on it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 29, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
I just discovered that wasn't PG. I'm blind when I'm drawing something that's already been drawn by someone else lel.

(https://i.imgur.com/tbHzPeF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xvw6kaH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2wxR5vB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OXSec3b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/j5mnT4d.jpg)

Excuse my French.

I'm not in the zone yet so I'm not even numbering them (At least at the time of drawing those). I'm feeling a vague sense of stubbornness coming along, so I think I'll be taking the plunge and throwing myself into a regimen for good.

It's always iffy after finishing one of the 1,000s - I don't know where to focus my energies. After flipping through a book on sketches during the Romantic Epoch in art I'm feeling super humbled but inspired to draw more from life and draw more in general.

Gotta finish all the pencils in sight. I hate graphite, but i'd rather finally use up my backlog instead of let them rot. It's... Interesting at least.


On Naruto: Drawing backgrounds takes a lot of my mental energy it seems. I've been way too focused on drawing characters for way too long. I wish backgrounds could flow in my head as did characters - even wonky disproportional backgrounds would be preferable to agonizing over drawing stools at a Ramen counter.

Also: Within the first few pages of this manga the main character Naruto has already eaten food. Slap in the face for my epic gun sword wielding characters who never do anything human haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on November 29, 2018, 06:12:24 PM
Well, I'd say you're well on your way to figuring out what your next 1,000 will be. 1,000 backgrounds, with figures interacting with them. People on stools, for example.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on November 30, 2018, 03:26:21 AM
yup I hear you on the backgrounds. I don't draw hardly as many as I should.
hmmm so using up the whole stack of pencils, huh? cool goal. hopefully it wont be 1000s and 1000s, or perhaps hopefully it will :)

I think Lego, much like myself you've drawn lots and lots of characters over the years, and you've ended up with a gap in skill between drawing backgrounds and drawing people. just like anything, with a ton of practice you'll find it becomes more and more natural and easy to draw the backgrounds. just gotta be patient while you gain that skill though :P

I think backgrounds generally contain more detail than an individual character does, so it really should take up more of the drawing time proportionally. but also generally speaking, the characters feel more important so you want to spend the most time drawing them. kind of a mangakas dilemma :P

@mahlua thats a cool idea. I'll have to add that to my perpetual list of things to draw next @_@
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on November 30, 2018, 02:29:32 PM
Haha no I don't have 1,000 pencils though that'd be interesting. And yeah, characters do take up a lot of our concentration - for good reason I suppose.

My problem is my lack of interest in backgrounds also means my lack of interest in props = less opportunity to build character


@Mahlua haha I'll settle for thumbnails for now. I will be looking forward to exploring sitting stuff though.


(https://i.imgur.com/UdbPlNC.jpg)

So instead of making Naruto a regimen it'll be a backburner project I'll do over time. The volume I have has about 639 pages, so if I finally draw all of those pages I'll be done with that I'll consider it an accomplished goal. I'll be leaving it and getting back to it as my whims dictate so I won't let it take too much of my active space. It'll just be... Something.

Note: Dose minituare characters. Manga really isn't only about closeups. It's amazing how small Kishimoto sensei draws

Also damn this page turned out nasty. Like wow what is accuracy. My lining is horrible.

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(https://i.imgur.com/rD94jzc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nHvolQW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eETu4Np.jpg)

Lucky enough, I've decided to settle on thumbnails and clothing for my regimens. These I'll really try to push for my drawing.

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(https://i.imgur.com/MmU47lq.jpg)

Failed experiment on figuring out an outfit. Stick figures just aren't really enough to figure out outfits.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 01, 2018, 07:42:20 AM
well if a pencil is anything like a pen in terms of lifespan, it takes 50 pages to use up one of my cheapo ballpoints. I wouldn't fancy going through 1000 of them, that really would take a lifetime haha

nice thumbnails and nice clothing so far. don't forget to try and add folds and creases in the clothing, although without a figure/form to wear it, it's a lot harder. probably for a similar reason, a stick figure probably isn't the best for testing out clothes haha. at least you tried it and now you know for sure, experience is built up mostly from failures, not successes.

maybe for the thumb-nailing, try and draw the same location twice but from a different angle the second time. that might help in getting a sense of location and spacial-ness.

yeah I would say I'm not too interested in backgrounds either, although once I get into it I enjoy it, but characters always get more focus :/

and no
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 01, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
maybe for the thumb-nailing, try and draw the same location twice but from a different angle the second time. that might help in getting a sense of location and spacial-ness.

That reminds me of an old trick that I still sometimes use. You draw something, and then you draw the mirror image of it (without actually using a mirror or flip tool). It works great when you do that with photos or from real life around you. It forces you not just to draw what you see, but to really and deeply consider the inner workings of WHY you see it the way you do.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2018, 02:23:29 PM
That could be interesting to try out. I'm bad with eying out proportions so I look forward to the depressing level of my perception skills. I want to be born with a rinnegan in my next life... Or be a double-cheese burger. Yes that'd be fine.

50 pages? Yikes. I believe it. You do make your pens get to work. Oh by the way I found this fun channel on drawing I completely forgot to mention it. The advice given is interesting: You notice a spring in your art after finishing 1,000 pages while you draw continously. It's the same sort of principle of endless grinding to get a skill so I like the idea  (of course its very relative to how small or large you draw haha) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_IODIIYAe0

Thumbnailing as with figures I'm still at the stick-figure stage in my head. I can fake 3d but I can't visualize it quite yet, so I'm focusing on just the stick figure side of backgrounds for now. I remember the horror of trying to learn that principle of 'spacialness' from the end of Loomis' Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. Understandeable principle: Grid out the furniture by biseccting a square you set in space and then extrude it like you would a 3d program. My brain farted and died. Ugh. Some time though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 01, 2018, 02:36:42 PM
Aaah, that video actually touched on something I think I touched on here on the forums somewhere at some point. If you reach the "I'm good" stage, you stop improving, or however that was subtitled. I almost want to go out and get copy paper myself, but I prefer to not lose things, so I think I'll just keep hoarding sketchbooks, even though they're more expensive.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2018, 02:46:35 PM
My paper management is a catastrophe so while sketchbooks hurt the wallet they're really nice to keep everything in one place. Gawd I have so much scrap paper (that I also need to get through along with my pencils)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 01, 2018, 06:21:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/brGCsgT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ckmRnZS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2lzlzD9.jpg)

Testing out something. Pick any thumbnail and I'll expand on it.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 02, 2018, 12:13:20 AM
I like even fourteen or twenty-one.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 03, 2018, 02:43:10 PM
Thanks for the choice.

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(https://i.imgur.com/oIEFl4H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8MQMzsV.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/GTNNI4z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dHfbxPf.jpg)
Discovered I'll need to get into patterns and textures at a point. Even the most plain T-shirt can look better by having a witty quote on it, so the same applies to all sorts of dress and outfits.

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(https://i.imgur.com/GpC5H2d.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xSvq2DS.jpg)

Scribble art. I made thumbnails out of scribbles and random shapes. I'll definitely be looking into this more.


Really defcient on the 3d side of things. I can barely draw shoes, and those things can be quite complicated if you study them and them alone.

I'm taking thumbnails easier now that i'm focusing on the ideas rather than the spacial accuracy for now.

I've also discovered that clothing is quite subjective depending on the manga you'll draw. The more realistic stories will need realistic standard clothing that fit the time era and place of the setting. The more wacky zany stories will need to make clothing that fit all sizes all races all personalities.  I think Jojo is the perfect blend of the two in a way, but I lean towards One Piece's wackiness more.

Did I mention I hate pencils? It's just way too tempting to erase and stuff, and they're not bold enough in their initial strokes. Will try to get used to them but not for long.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 03, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
Oooh, I really like the girl on the bottom right at the every end. She's got some attitude, and I see a good confidence in shapes when planning out her design.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 03, 2018, 03:06:49 PM
I love the energy and dynamics you've got in those characters!
and yes, as I also discovered recently, patterns make simple things look amazingly better. it's amazing how you can change the feel of the clothes by textures and whatnot, and yes genre and era have a huge impact.Personally I can't be too bothered with patterns at the moment as I'm focusing on getting the plain clothes looking right with all the folds and stuff, but it's certainly a good thing to keep in mind.

I would say pencils being faint in the beginning is a good thing, but you've got to be in good lighting to see faint strokes clearly so that can be a hassle :P

great output and awesome variety, keep it up!
I struggle so hard to get variety but thats probably because I actually like consistency and uniformity, so I just don't feel that creative pressure pushing me to do something different to the last 10 sketches :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 04, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
I on the other hand envy consistency and uniformity. I'm really struggling with making clothing and backgrounds and they've become purely idea-based exercises rather than studies of how cloth reacts to 3 dimensional bodies. Still, after lurking and seeing Mahlua's hack for studying clothing I think I'll be trying that out once or twice.

Haha Mahlua funny thing is she's made from a scribble. I guess scribbles let me go loose with creating people.  The ones in the centre were made up of simple shapes though.


Latest

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(https://i.imgur.com/4ZSGDYu.jpg)
Moar thumbnails
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(https://i.imgur.com/vJKT4nm.jpg)
Moar clothing

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(https://i.imgur.com/0qmoFeo.jpg)
Doodling icons. I almost had the mad wish to make 10,000 of these. I get it, I get building your 3d knowledge is how to be a good artist, but I really just want to have a massive vocabulary of conventional symbols to be able to draw anything off the top of my head. It's like how anime expressions for anger sadness and happiness are completely unrealistic and dangerous to study rather than anatomy - and yet are great at getting to the point and understood by people who read/watch such stuff. The icon for a heart is not anatomically correct, but it just works. I drool at the possibility of having an infinite visual vocabulary of 2d stuff - even though I should work on something else.

Shouldacouldawoulda

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(https://i.imgur.com/zchByHh.jpg)
Drawn from scribbles. Vid here
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVaqknWkjM
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(https://i.imgur.com/m00YSwO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xBXOLY9.jpg)
And I expanded upon the thumbnails Mahlua picked out. Brain farted on the second one, but it felt nice to know that my mind could fill in the blanks if I ever needed to use the scenes for storytelling.  I wish I could say I saw everything in perfect 3d but at least I can say I have an idea of what the scenes are. First one is an odd village near the lake. Second one is inspired by Darksouls.  I feel like reading Blame! By Tsutomu Nihei again now.



Was not a good drawing dae, but I got a sketchbook as a gift and I plugged away at my numbers. 50 down, 950 to go (for thumbnails and clothin)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2018, 02:18:53 PM
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an infinite visual vocabulary
yup, that's pretty much what my reference book is trying to be lol. 10,000 would be great, maybe try 1000 first? haha
looks great so far and very realistic style, I like the rendering.

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I'm really struggling with making clothing and backgrounds and they've become purely idea-based exercises rather than studies of how cloth reacts to 3 dimensional bodies
well that's good for something, so it's not a waste at all. I think when you start a 1000 regime you sort of don't know exactly what you're going to be doing and after a few pages you sort of settle down into something that wasn't quite what you started off as :P

great expansion on the thumbnails, I love the ninja treetop village one.

#31,#35,#58 would be great to see larger.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 04, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/otnQImw.jpg)
Got 31. Will work on the other 2 later.

And yeah lol no 10,000 so suddenly I'm pretty okay with my slow new ones and don't wont to overstep. It was just an excited feeling.

And yeah I'm really interested in how I feel around the 200s for my latest regimens. I remember my only noteable changes for my hands was around 600 but I'm curious.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: devola on December 04, 2018, 06:01:08 PM
Great work on 31, you really nailed the sense of scale on that!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 04, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
that is some crazy huge wall if I'm not mistaken :P
looks awesome, would love to know more about it!
I'm sure you'll experience lots of leveling up :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 04, 2018, 08:43:31 PM
Yeaup. I was thinking 'buildings in the middle of The Great Wall' so methinks it's pretty large.

(https://i.imgur.com/gxGdVaP.jpg)
35

I ended up making a thumbnail after my expansion upon a thumbnail so yeah that's fun. All I can hope is it makes sense in the viewers' mind: Huge bowl like zigurrat in a desert. Or at least that's what I felt when I expanded on the thumb.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 05, 2018, 06:03:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Xq6aSYc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wQyjGdr.jpg)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on December 05, 2018, 06:31:10 PM
Clothing number 65 looks like some kind of villain for reasons I cannot explain.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 06, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
I'll note that for future reference.

Found a pen on the floor and stole it. I've discovered I really love pen and ink. Pencils suck for me nowadays.

(https://i.imgur.com/eTMp3JF.jpg)

Moar clothing. There's a huge intersect between clothing and character designs so yeah that's weird. Nothin 3d here.

Edit: Also made a short animation for outfit 78  gal
(https://i.imgur.com/IXOyyXy.gif)


(https://i.imgur.com/OBgMtVP.jpg)

Found the top left drawing on one of my infinite scrap papers and decided to expand upon it for the next 15 thumbnails while thinking of a potential story. Drew her (Elisa, as I later found out) complaining about being forgotten then went into a narrative where she explains how her dad was a boring assassin and her mother a rebel music prodigy that quit university and became a street musican.

71 is Derrick drowning someone in a pond on a fool moon (the moon is reflecting in the water). 73 him parachuting into a prison. 75 is an assassination where the target is so old and slow he approaches him and explains that he is going to kill him, so they sit down for a cup of poisoned tea to talk about the job and life in general.

76 is referenced. 77 is Derrick meeting Elisa. 78 is Elisa playing a violin to a swan. ("This is the first and last time I'm going to play classical music as taught to me by my professors, and you get to be my audience, little Swan" She said).

84 is Evelyn picking up a trumpet and torturing her parents with her horrible playing.


Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 07, 2018, 04:58:00 AM
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Found the top left drawing on one of my infinite scrap papers and decided to expand upon it for the next 15 thumbnails while thinking of a potential story. Drew her (Elisa, as I later found out) complaining about being forgotten then went into a narrative where she explains how her dad was a boring assassin and her mother a rebel music prodigy that quit university and became a street musican.

71 is Derrick drowning someone in a pond on a fool moon (the moon is reflecting in the water). 73 him parachuting into a prison. 75 is an assassination where the target is so old and slow he approaches him and explains that he is going to kill him, so they sit down for a cup of poisoned tea to talk about the job and life in general.

76 is referenced. 77 is Derrick meeting Elisa. 78 is Elisa playing a violin to a swan. ("This is the first and last time I'm going to play classical music as taught to me by my professors, and you get to be my audience, little Swan" She said).

84 is Evelyn picking up a trumpet and torturing her parents with her horrible playing.
Wut

I could never be that creative with my story ideas, thats a complete new level of madness :P
nice animation. it really makes a difference to see something moving.

and great costumes and outfits. it looks like you're trying to fit them to the body shape more?
cool pattern squares as well.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 08, 2018, 08:45:07 AM
It's more like the characters just beg to have those kinds of clothing wrapped about them. When drawing with pen I don't have the luxury of making a mannequin so yeh that's how it rolls.

(https://i.imgur.com/Yea745f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xGegNHV.jpg)

At almost the 100 mark for both regimens.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 08, 2018, 09:00:28 AM
awesome that you're keeping up both regimes. when you're done be sure to let us know if doing 2 at the same time had any effect on how the regimes worked out.

clothes I liked: 86,95
thumbnails I liked: 92,95

keep it up.
btw for drawing with ink have you ever thought of having an undersheet with a bunch of poses on them so you have a bit of a guide when it comes to drawing the clothes? that's partly why I ink my figures, so I can use them later as proper references and it saves me thinking about proportions and stuff. A lightbox would be handy in that instance but it's not necessary.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 08, 2018, 10:26:15 AM
I'll keep that in mind. It's not super easy but I'm a bit laissez faire when it comes to making these things. If they were full figure carefully planned drawings I wouldn't be making this rate at all.

That could be an idea. I do need a light table though.  I bought tracing paper and it just didn't quite work for me, and it'd be a godsend if I ever want to finish copydrawing naruto.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 09, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8EOUoLJ.jpg)

I need to use rulers more. My slanting problem is ridiculous, and I've discovered that I can't draw mirror images to save the life of me. (shoes, 101). Normally I'm cool with this sort of thing and just on mileage when drawing, but since I'm going to be doing animation along with comics soon , I need a little bump in accuracy.

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I had no inspiration today, so while I did make a lot of imaginary outfits, I learnt a lot from looking around: Clothing is very, very weather themed, and beyond that, it's all about the patterns/textures. I could break down every piece of clothing this month to hoodies and coats - The thing that sets them apart is colours and palletes. (Yeah some will have furry looks some will have lines e.t.c but there's no crazy variation as you'd see in manga/anime.)

I need to look into shoes. From observation, I'm impressed at how varied they actually are in shape.



(https://i.imgur.com/7N159Tt.jpg)


Twas an interesting session this time around. I wanted to test my consistency of the background while developing a scene. I deliberately did not add dialogue boxes or even try ti have an idea of what was happening up until the 117 mark.

Noticed/Thought about a heck of a lot of things. So in no particular order



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1. If I can list the props needed for a particular background or scene, then I'll do better

If I can hear the word 'City' in my head then all I need to do is think of traffic lights, sidewalks, trashcans, hydrants, glass, doors, signs e.t.c If I can forgive myself for 3d accuracy I can just stuff a scene with all of that stuff to make it at least look good. A higher level artist, however, would be concerned about if cities in Britain have the same fire hydrants as those in 'Murica. There are some fine differences aren't they? Or something.

2. Proportion sama

If you can't 3d (Like I can't) Then at least try to be able to find how the sizes and shapes fit in an image. I learnt the hard way how bad I am at this on 114,115 and 116. This isn't good, but at least I could comprehend in my mind what the scene was - The important thing is though, did the reader see it right?

3. Foreshortening

Important. I do a lot of stick figures and I'm still on the fence about this because of practicality, but foreshortening makes a lot out of an image. The original version of 122 was very horizontal, then I drew the large foot and even though it looked wackier, it looked better.

4. Are you still reading this?

Ironic, I know, but actually this is one of the points I've discovered for myself: Art for me NEEDS to become documentary rather than creation-ary. I've always been a sketchy hobbyist type, so thinking about making complete projects is way too stressful. It's more fun to try to document my process and post as much as possible than to make complete illustrations and pour all my energy into that.

It's a tricky subject for me. You see, I love anime but I feel uncomforteable when a critic digs into it and dissects it. I want to just enjoy it as a viewer would with no expectations and no big judgements.
    On the other hand: Analysing stuff is part of the process. It's interesting to find a word for stuff that you take for granted. Who knew there was a word for a storyteller that is also part of the story? It's annoying to overanalyze things and the best art that is done imo is when you just screw around and go for it rather than scienfitifcally approach everything. But perhaps there's a place for both worlds.

5. Particle effects, hatching, lighting

I need to learn how shounen manga show punches, explosions, magic and the like. It's actually amazing how they can show so much light and effects with only black and white, and I need to absolutely learn that. Bleach is my favourite example on that front: I've never not mistaken a Cero as anything other than an epic energy blast.

6. Depth

It's important to know which character is more importan than the other.

7. Shapes

Stick figures are only useful if the feet are pointy and the faces have the cross-face. The better the artist, the less you need these to show where the figure is facing, but otherwise from the lowest details to the highest, the basic figures need to be distinct.


Finally

As far as I can see, the storyboard became some weird discussion and then turned into an epic battle of rock-paper scissors. Did ye see that?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2018, 05:46:40 PM
nice storyboard and progressive thumbnails, and great consistency between them, they really did look linked.

and great observational points. If you could read my guidebook (to be) you practically summarized some of the sections. I have a props breakdown for certain typical scenes such as a city or house, with lamposts and whatnot in the "don't forget these exist" column.

the me at the moment 100% agrees art is documentary and it looks like you and I are attacking the same problems from different angles. although this applies more to manga art, not like picasso art.

the bleach Ceros are indeed awesome along with the other spell thingies (I loved the binding spells which put things in boxes or trapped them with beams and stuff) it's a huge section that I need to improve on as I don't really do moving or dynamic pieces.

that sequential storyboard/thumbnails might be something I try at some point as a chicken-out of doing a proper manga.

PS here's some more props from my notes which might give you some inspiration. I make observations on buses and stuff but organizing it takes more time than it's worth I'm sure. It's fun at least for me to make huge database-style lists even if I might not ever use them properly XD
vehicles-buses etc
Individual trays, lights, curtains and Windows
Safety belts,
Overhead storage
Handles on head rests for people behind.
Emergency hatches
storage below
Tv's along roof
Seats, backs, headrests
common city props
•   Lamp posts
•   Rubbish bins/junk areas
•   Bridges
•   Electric pylons,transmission towers
•   road, signs,barriers,overhead signs
•   Tunnels,lights,
•   Half-finished structures
•   Dropped roads over valleys
•   Construction works
•   Planted trees around industrial works
•   Vehicles of course
•   Wind turbines
•   Signal lights as opposed to traffic lights. Large complexes with their own road structures.
•   Walls/hedges
house-bedroom
Fan, Clock, Calendar, Clothes, hangars and hooks, Computers, laptops, Hi-fi , speakers, Bed, bunk bed, futon etc, Short tables, kotatsu, books and shelves
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 09, 2018, 06:18:15 PM
On vehicles-buses : What do you mean by individual trays like the cup-holder in a car or like the fold-down seat on a bus/aeroplane

Also I've never thought about overhead storage as in thinking of drawing them for some reason. I think of Emergency hammers and the hand rails for the seats but never pay attention to where the luggage should be. That's interesting. At least you think of handles on headrests lel.

Tvs on the roof are a mini challenge for me by the way (along with tvs on the back of seats) I force myself to draw and never use them other than to check the weather or travel distance.


On Cities: plyons always sound electric to me, and I could google it for sure. But what do pylons mean!?

I'm not trying to be frustrating but how do you draw junk? A circle with some interesting things poking out of it or do you see it as every rubbish piece in detail? I've never been able to draw truly urban scenes with 'unfinished structures' as you mentioned and/or debris

Wind mills I'd actually love to draw, and electric lines are also suprisingly fun to draw. Railway tracks too if you can be forgiving to yourself on detail.

On House-bedroom: I'm already defeated at fan, clock and calender, even though these are the most obvious things to draw as someone who loves manga and anime. Like I'm not even talking about drawing them in 3d or accurately: These are stuff that always show up in the protagonists' room, and I've never drawn them. Thanks for reminding me.

I'd like to learn to draw a good kotatsu though. And futon. Or short table. I'd like to be able to draw the furniture.  Heck, the workspace of any of my protagonists would be interesting, whether computer or pen and paper I wish I'd drawn one before.




Glad you found my commentary interesting if anything. I'm fully commiting to documenting my art rather than making stuff with trumpets and all, and I hope it makes me more active when it comes to posting and doing stuff haha.

Also it's totally your fault for posting walls of text.





Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on December 09, 2018, 06:44:07 PM
So, a thing to remember when drawing structures that are 'under construction', that people might not think about, is that when we're talking about early stages (beams and what not), these buildings are put up one floor at a time.

That is, you won't see like, a phone connection diagram that resembles a set of stairs. It's going to be flat up to  a certain level, and then the construction will be happening. After all, you have to finish one level to start another.

Also, if it's a particularly tall building you're going for, there will be a big crane in the middle of the building. Shorter buildings will have ground based cranes, but the real big ones have cranes that raise as the building does. What's really important to remember though, is that if you're adding steel to a building, you're going to have a crane. You can't just get a bunch of workers to haul that stuff up on their shoulders.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 09, 2018, 06:50:39 PM
That's pretty important as far as props go. In my head at least, construction is mostly the reason for unfinished buildings... Unless it's a warzone.

I can theoretically google this, but how are stairs even built? Do they start from bottom step to top or is there some sort of frame made from floor to floor?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 09, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
Depends on the style of staircase. Concrete vs wood etc.
Wood typically has a frame that holds the pieces in place, is assembled in one piece then put into place. Concrete i think is cast in situ with reinforcing steel inserts etc. Theres always exceptions on style and designer anyway.
Theres lots of stuff to learn by googling specific features for sure
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on December 09, 2018, 08:25:55 PM
generally with concrete, you have a metal frame that the concrete is poured over.

Also, always bottom to top. General rule for all buidling
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 16, 2018, 04:55:53 PM
Existence has been dungballs. Managed to churn out some art stuff and make some general observations but too lazy to type it all out. Noteable things are 1. Got a magazine of cars as a gift and started drawing them. It's fun to take a plunge into something I'm wholly not skilled for. Drawing at a bar and had some interesting conversations. 2. Creative exhaustion. Will be crutching on references to pick up the pace. Also need to ask for prop-listings of specific places. Could be fun.

(https://i.imgur.com/nMEZCLY.jpg)
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193/1,000 thumbs

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132/1,000 clothes
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
stuffs looking good. great variation between the thumbnails, it's amazing how you can get so much variation in the setting and theme and content, I'm impressed as always.

cool fashion too, #124 is my favourite out of that batch.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 18, 2018, 05:01:08 PM
Domo, I liked that one as well.

The thumbnails are killing me though. They're really taxing on my mental stamina.

And oh yes forgot to mention pencils are death. I'm just going to throw them away now. Or something. They're so frustrating to work with.

Also dat legendary slanting!

(https://i.imgur.com/KScoThY.jpg)
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 18, 2018, 05:22:52 PM
mental stamina is totally a thing that nobody ever mentions is a problem for artists.....

I assume those vertical lines are anti-slant propaganda? looks like it's working :P
character #139 looks awesome. If i drew men I might steal....
Actually if see any designs I like can I redraw them?

most of those thumbnails looks sequential? either way they're pretty standard angles and setups, but look pretty good. normal is a necessity at least some of the time.
#195 and #203 are my favs.

and I suppose it's a bit late, but what actually is thumbnailing? *face-palm*
just super tiny panel layout sketches? like mini concept sketches?
I've gotta try that out sometime.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 19, 2018, 10:39:55 AM
Yeaup. It's actually my main thing. My holy grail. If I had infinite mental stamina I wouldn't even bother, really to try out regimens. I'd start all of my projects and expect to improve over time. No need to worry about flow or running out of ideas. Just draw, draw, draw, as it should be.


YESSS. Plz draw anything you like. Also I ask the same: May I pilfer some of your concepts I like and redraw?


Yeaup. Dem lines are useful. My slant is ridiculous like wow. How do you draw without that issue even.

Yeah A lot of that was sequential then I switched. Theme was 'conversation around a table'.


Yes. Yes. Layout, mini and sketches are all what thumbnailing is about. Thumbnailing is sketching out ideas of an illustration / scene before you draw the complete version. You saw that much in my 'Art' box when I drew with those backgrounds. Basically it's storyboarding.  My plan was to draw 1,000 backgrounds, but for the sake of sanity I settled on thumbnails and such (Similar to how I'm drawing more characters rather than outfits for clothing). 
    I'm surprised/not-surprised you've never done them haha. You're pretty commited to what you draw and even your most rough RIPs look like one of my complete pieces hehe.



Latest

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 19, 2018, 10:57:33 AM
costumes: #145,147,162 are my favorites on that batch.
thumbnails: #224,226 likewise.

if you like anything I draw then steal away, I'd love to see what you make of it :)

I've always had more of a focus on people and learning to draw characters, so while I have done a bit of backgrounds here and there, it's never really been a focus. it's a mystery as to why though, I just somehow never decided to get better at them. Possibly because I felt more confident in it as I did a bit of technical drawings at school.
As much as I use/plan to use Sketchup for a lot of my background work, I'll still need the basics for the one-shot backgrounds and the planning stages so it's a skill I will have to tackle at some point.

Slant is still my enemy, interestingly drawing with my left hand produced slant in the opposite direction, which tells you a lot and not much at all. I think how you hold your head when drawing has a big impact on how you perceive the horizontal and vertical. I tilt my head nearly 45 degrees sometimes, and depending on which way, I get tilt the other way as well. Actually thinking "ok let's draw a non-slanted guideline" helps to keep an awareness of where I am in space-time.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 28, 2018, 12:42:14 PM
I slacked - big time because of Christmas and all that jazz. Had to play catchup right after. Fun times. Glad to be done with it. On to other stuff now.

Thumbs: 324/1000
Clothes: 267/1000

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on December 29, 2018, 12:45:41 AM
I'm seeing a pattern at the end there. Not sure what it could be  :hmm:

Nice progress Lego!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 29, 2018, 08:06:19 AM
I'm with Coryn on that one, they could totally be the top 10 bad guys  uniform or something.

great clothes and thumbnails, at least you've done more than me haha I sort of quite art for the holiday. might get some done today :D

the thumbnails especially look a lot more sharper and clearer. might be just a pen difference but it make a difference to the feel of the pieces. favs are #301 and 309 and 289. looks like you wrote a whole synopsis for that one :P

Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 29, 2018, 10:56:31 AM
Ah, no that's my terrible handwriting striking again. Thank goodness I could read it this time, but I'm trying not to be too scribbly.

I wrote: Concept artists are fully living ????? (the mangaka/artist/ideal-drawing lifestyle - their bread and butter is idea generation

Basically, they do environments and characters and everything in between by default so they're the sort of well-rounded artist I wish I could be to be able to draw the comics that I want to draw.


I wanted to take a break too, but I think I need to be more merciless with my regimens and try not to let up if I can help it. I know, I know. It's a recipe for burnout, but I really can't trust myself to take a long break without quitting for a longer stretch of time than planned. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 29, 2018, 05:20:01 PM
aha yes concept art is definitely something I want to lean towards.
being well rounded is a great thing to be but I'm wondering what would happen if you were actually strongly biased in one of your skills as a manga artist. like your backgrounds are ok but your ability do draw emotions is top notch, or visa versa etc.

if you take a break, make sure it's not "a break away from art", but "a break to do something else", otherwise it's kinda like you're avoiding art, which might contribute to staying off it longer than intended. that's happened to me before. all the while you're not burning out, I think it's best to do as much as you can, but everyone's different.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on December 29, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
First problem of a burnout: You're not in the mood to even document your burnout. It just is. Seriously, if people could describe their writers' blocks or burnouts properly it'd be super helpful to not only the public, but themselves. But the irony is you're not even in the mood to talk about why you're burning out.

That's a nugget of wisdom there for sure though. I'll be sure to channel my energies elsewhere rather than just outright quitting haha.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on December 29, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
yup I don't even write in my diary when I'm having a bad day lol typical example of rage quitting.
it's a nice idea to have a "backburner" skill like playing music or craft or something.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 08, 2019, 08:54:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/MnjB7Kd.jpg)
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The catch up game is forever dammit haha
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on January 08, 2019, 06:49:25 PM
great costumes, looks like you've got into a groove with coming up with the ideas.
the car which isnt a thumbnail is pretty good.
#346-351 costumes are pretty cool
#370,371,338,339 thumbnails are cool. good to see lots of natural landscapes mixed in as well.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 09, 2019, 01:18:51 AM
Yeah I look forward to drawing cars after this is done. Or something more structured. I thought backgrounds would help with that but it seems like both of my regimens have become more concept based than anything. I'm not complaining but even the cubes made me work with straight lines at least haha.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on January 09, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
well working on generating concepts is still cool, and will help down the line when you're trying to add more details to a scene. I've just started loosening up enough to start sketching in backgrounds in some of my sketches now.
maybe when you've done them you can take each costume and try to put it in a different pose or draw it at a higher quality. you dont have to spend the effort thinking of the design when you have it in front of you, so your brain is more free to work on folds and stuff like that.

#392 tower is cool

I'm thinking 2019 is a year of regimes XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 21, 2019, 06:49:42 AM
Yeah. I hope my visual vocabulary improves a bit after doing this sort of stuff for a now.

In other words I am most definitely not a professional. Bad moods completely destroy my regimen. I think hands were more immune to such distruptions because I literally had my reference in front of me and didn't need to think up things. I'll confirm it when I start on the car magazine and stuff.


Also miscounted the outfits by 4. Will plug them in somewhere.

(https://i.imgur.com/7qDDNtl.jpg)
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on January 21, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
thats some very nice characters. looks like that lot was very stable in terms of quality, each character is well defined and "realistic"
I swear I'm going to just take all of your characters and put them into my wip folder XD
although really I'd like to figure out how you get them out of your head in the first place (T_T)

do you find the choice of pen helps with flow/creativity?
even digitally I find a thicker pen helps me be more fluid at the cost of sharpness.

nearly half way with both regimes! keep it up!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 22, 2019, 08:52:48 PM
Haha that'd be quite legendary. I'm going to start stealing stuff from your work too when I get around to it. Cheers man.

Also you're totally right. Basically the more accurate and experienced you are the thinner your drawing instrument. I'll try to use thicker brushes in my mspaint to see how it works out.

And yeah, halfway but the end feels so far away haha.

Anyhoo here is my update

(https://i.imgur.com/Sx0Cmsv.jpg)
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on January 23, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Suuper
I'm going to just take all of your characters
Quote from: Lego
I'm going to start stealing stuff from your work
Join MangaRaiders!!!!! The only site where the members are honest enough to tell you that they are going to steal your ideas!! I'd certainly love to see what you make of any of my doodles, and I almost have my method in place to steal yours (^-^)/

439,432 nice characters
437,442 nice thumbs

well doing 2 regimes at once means you would be on 900/1000, nearly done if you were just doing one, so it's definitely going to be slow going.

I'm almost worried that we will eventually end up getting addicted to doing the regimes instead of doing actual manga/illustrations lol
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on January 23, 2019, 11:38:03 PM
Hahah honesty makes the world go round.

And you know I know what you mean, but I'm going to be super out of character (pun half intended) and say we shouldn't be too worried about that. I think when we want to get a project done we do it. You have mangas under your belt, some useful softwares to assist drawing, programming AND illustrating chops and even booklets. I guess you need to clear the 'sell artwork' bar as I do to make sure you know, but you're able to do this stuff. And you know what, me too. I've made comics and stuff. It's just that I want to be more reliable on that front because the biggest problem isn't execution, it's consistency and stamina. It's fine to be a fast sprinter for 20 metres but it's better to be a marathon runner who can go 10 kilometres on a whim.

Not sure if any of that made sense? Anyhow I reiterate a real sell of our stuff will be infinitely more convincing than nice words I guess, but I really am confident about them. Just look at the regimens we've already completed now. Stupid amount of drawing for no benefit other than our own.

Also side note: I have a vague expectation to be doing more creations than regimens two years from now. But my true ideal is to have drawing so much a part of my daily life that I just stop counting really because it's as natural as brushing my teeth every day.  ( I won't. It's much more fun seeing the numbers stack up)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on January 24, 2019, 04:28:15 PM
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It's fine to be a fast sprinter for 20 metres but it's better to be a marathon runner who can go 10 kilometres on a whim.
Yup I totally agree on the front, partly why I am so obsessed with speed and efficiency. Getting the maximum level of productivity ensures that I can handle any project in the future.
yeah I'm totally aiming at the "whip out a 40 page manga chapter on a weekend" kinda stamina level XD

It would be totally great to sell some art this year. I need to get some pricing down for styles and whatnot, partly another good reason to keep track of timings is to be sure I'm selling my skill at the right amount. if I could sell one artwork this year it would be great, but really I would love to average one a week by the end of the year. (Not sure if I want to permanently do commissions or get paid for my own story/manga etc but time will tell)

When drawing faces this lunchbreak I had a sudden realization about how much more natural it has become to draw faces and poses from previously. Hopefully that's just the beginning :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on January 27, 2019, 06:19:41 AM
geez you're actually pulling it of. I draw mah hat, sir
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2019, 08:59:38 AM
Hit a huge roadblock. Life because very interesting the past two weeks, but soon I'll be free from the thick of it.

I've come to realize more than ever that I'm not professional at all. Any slight divergence from my planned days makes me unmotivated to draw like at all. I'm glad I've still doodled consistently, but my regimen just hit a major full stop for days.

I know now mroe than anything that consistency is what'll get me places. It really doesn't help to be this sporadic. Whatever. I'll see what happens.

Here is a slight dump. Halfway done, 500 thumbs 500 chars to go.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on February 18, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
It's definitely hard to keep going when you dont have an actual commitment like a job. Even on bad days when I dont want to go to work, I know I have to, and I do. It's a LOT harder with basically a hobby on those lazy days. Don't feel too bad about it. Maybe have a backup plan for what you can do when you're not feeling great. I normally do my first iteration WIPs, since I can always fix them up on the next iteration, I don't feel any pressure to get anything right. having a regime can help, although it might hinder just as easily.

and nice bunch of works. It looks like the characters feel a bit more natural than the previous ones, and it's nice to see some 3/4 views and poses other than standing in there as well.

Thumbnails look good too. I think it's harder to come up with a variety compared to clothes, since clothes is comparatively a smaller category and you can mix details a lot more easily than in buildings and backgrounds I think. although it looks like you're balancing drawing different kinda of shots, closeups, cityscapes, buildings, characters, action and so on. keep it up!
it might help to maybe do 2 or 3 or 4 sequential thumbnails every now and then, because that's training your mind for manga paneling.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 18, 2019, 05:01:42 PM
Well I was still doodling and drawing pretty much, but nothing that made me break any ground I wanted to break. I'll see what I can plug in there other than the regimens. Storyboarding maybe? There's some comics I need to get to.

Other than 500 and 501 I really haven't done much sequential stuff. Could do more of that
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Gabryel on February 19, 2019, 05:49:34 AM
Hmm I dunno if that'S what makes a pro, y'know. And you're like producing so much more than I did in any time of my life lmao. I struck road blocks that made me stop drawing for years, so I wouldn't worry about that much. There is this thing, if you draw because it gives you something to draw and finish something, I think that's what makes an artist. I mean, it's nice to have feedback, yeah. But every time I finish something that is better than my last piece and I look at it and I'm just so happy and fascinated by the way how I got there, and that's what keeps me driving. There are people who are fascinated by techniques or tools, like me, others are with stories of the past, etc. And still, there will always be days where you don't have any motivation at all. I'd say you're doing pretty well lego. whenever I drop back to the forum and see you're all up and drawing, I get my motivation back  :heart:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 20, 2019, 08:18:31 PM
Haha cheers.

I don't want to rely on motivation or inspiration anymore though. Things have let me down more than I can count. I just need good habits that'll have me reliably able to produce work.

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580 Thumbs
577 Chars
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on February 21, 2019, 05:54:08 PM
Yup inspiration is dead to me lol
There is a difference between being inspired to draw and finding inspiration for your drawing though I think.
Motivation is a bit of a tricky one since somewhere as artists we have a fundamental motivation, but daily that main goal sort of drifts in and out of focus. Definitely building it up to habit status is great and I think I'm nearly there myself after nearly 10 years. Only the future will tell :)

Thumbnails felt a little on the strange/weird side this time. Characters were also strange but in a good way XD
loving the Ghandi one #536
I wish I knew what went on in your head when you draw these characters :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 22, 2019, 04:27:54 AM
Well with your systematic way of getting about things I only see improvement on your path suuper. Keep at it man.

Yeah my thumbs needed a little sequential art. I zoned out and had a relatively good session this time around.

Haha Ghandi. I didn't see that until later. And man that cat look deformed. Animal studies here we come.

And nope you don't want to know what's going through my head. Well 519 was just me reminiscing about how great Mandy's character design was from Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. Man, Cartoon Network had great character designs.

(https://i.imgur.com/QTPPjYc.jpg)

My slant is legendary

(https://i.imgur.com/a6yWs80.jpg)

Sequential thumbnails. Not quite sure what the backstory is about but I'm thinking off the top of my head dude is a slacker who joined a group of monster hunters and somehow survived a massacre with the help of one of the best hunters in the world. He tags along with her on a journey.  That's the vibe I got. I'd need to think longer to actually make a concrete story. It was fun though. Easier to work with at least, but backgrounds vanish at the speed of light when I work on comics. Need more open shots.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on February 24, 2019, 03:35:53 PM
I do think I am a little too systematic, setting up rules and logic, but I think as long as I can be creative and skilled in my art my methods are fundamentally immaterial :P

nice sequential, felt like I was watching an anime. Actually I think I could quite comfortably read a manga if it was in that format to be honest, possibly because it feels like a series of screenshots/storyboards XD
Although I felt quite compelled to read in snake fashion, alternately left-to-right then right-to-left through the panels.

#582 characer reminds me of Schierke (had to google it lol) from Berserk.

Quote
backgrounds vanish at the speed of light when I work on comics.
Been there, done that. Happens all too easy when you're trying to focus on "everything"
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on February 24, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
Y'know Lego, you talk about having been doing some 'urban sketching' the other day. But that's 90% of backgrounds. You probably aren't as far off from getting 'gud' at backgrounds as you act like you are. You just need to merge the two.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on February 26, 2019, 11:39:49 AM
Well I can look at an image and copy the features, but spinning them in my head still proves to be elusive. I'll develop a feel for it though. I know the cubes helped a little.

@suuper ah 583 you mean haha. Yeah I love that simple design. And I know what you mean. Webtoons tend to have simple panelling like this. It's an artform of its own to make different sized panels that make sense, so it really helps lessen the stress when you have similar sized thumbnails.


I'm at the rut where it feels like you're plugging away at a blackhole. Love this part of regimens *weeps*

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Dude gets tortured. It occurs to me that no matter how many hands I drew I had no idea how hands looked holding scissors until I referenced. It's quite the unique grip. I should've drawn hands interacting with things more rather than just being alone in space.

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Army on a hill. The soldiers rappel to shape-shifting mechs and let themselves get dragged along.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on March 02, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
great sequentials. It's not always clear whats going on without dialog, but one can certainly tell something is going on!
and keep it up you're nearly there :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on March 08, 2019, 09:54:08 PM
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You really know how to keep the ball rolling. I barely have time to keep up on Duolingo these days, but maybe with my short break coming up at work I'll at least...finish my 100 skateboarding poses or whatever. Because your output is HRK. Makin me look bad and ish. (Well, I suppose I'm really making myself look bad for wanting to do everything and then hyperfocusing on like one thing for not long maybe twice a week at best).

Seriously, between you and Suups, this output is outrageous.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 14, 2019, 05:53:58 AM
Hahah what does HRK mean?

And oh gawd you are so wrong Mahlua I'm getting my ass kicked majorly this time around. But step by step, right? I swear my output at the moment is one character a day at this point. It's really bad.

And we're all scatter brains. I think Coryn has got it right though: Juggle. It helps  you recharge when you're too focused on one thing. So heap on more stuff along with the skateboard thing and you might just trick yourself into getting mroe stuff done.

'Suups' takes the cake this time around. But I'll catch up to him muhuhahahhahahahaha
 
*Does nothing for months*

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The god-awful-slant must die. How the heck do you deprogram a near decade long quirk. Holy heck I'm not looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on March 14, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
I've been noticing my slant coming back. Much like proportions I think it just gets better with time as you learn to recognize your drawing problems early on, and/or gain the coordination to not make the mistakes in the first place.
It takes a bit of conscious effort to keep it in mind. Like a tick list that you go through at different stages
(arms same length? check. eyes same size? check. figure slanting? damn.)
At some point it becomes subconscious.
Most of your drawings seem alright though, only some have a huge slant and that looks deliberate like #617

favorites are #602, 607, 608
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on March 14, 2019, 10:59:09 PM
HRK is more of a sound effect than a word. It's like the sound you make when you get punched in the gut.

One character a day is still greater than my present average of...zero a day.

But I suppose that also means that lately I've been producing exactly zero slanted figures a day as well. Small victories.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on March 15, 2019, 03:20:53 PM
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I've been producing exactly zero slanted figures a day
Thats some next level optimism there :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 26, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on March 27, 2019, 04:56:18 AM
that coffee ring is a legitimate effect. I thought he was swinging his sword or glowing or something XD
#650,646 favourites.
hows the regimes going for you at this point?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 27, 2019, 06:08:16 PM
Pretty nasty. The whole weight of the missed days keeps on hitting me. Knowing that I could've been done with this by now gets me stuck in a loop of self-pity where not even succesfully 'restarting' the regimen hypes me up anymore. I did 10 today for example and keep on thinking 'Now if only I did 10 consistently throughout the month. I'd have had 270 done for each of the regimens by now!

There's a lot more negative stuff going on I wish I had had it in me to record. That's another frustration: I'd learn a heck of a lot more from what is disturbing my regimens or bringing me down than my successes. I'm not only inconsistent, I'm not 'pro' enough to document my progress objectively regardless of whether it's a good or bad day. I hope, if I get more systematic down the line I'll be able to do such automatically.

That being said I'm feeling cautiously optimistic these days. I've posted twice in a row and I hope I post again tomorrow. I'm still on the lower end of my sine curve of life but I'm really looking forward to plugging away and finishing this regimen.

And haha that coffee ring was a happy accident. Which reminds me I've been wanting to play around with stencils for a minute now. I'll see if I can use them later.

Also: Gawd is it impressive how people can draw armour and stuff haha.

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For 664 I imagined little red riding hood's basket being a legendary hero weapon enchanted by her mother to contain an infinite assortment of pastry based weaponry. Think blueberry pie shields and cinammon roll swords.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 28, 2019, 05:08:55 PM
Damn I think I've got it back. The perfect zone of why I do regimens. I'm not necessarily enjoying them. They take time and eat up my mind space. They're not even leading to the completion of any of my projects, and they won't give me anything tangible per se, but i'm doing them because I want to, because I need the routine, and some times they can be fun but more than that I can look back and see that I've at least tried something.

That's the feel I have from them atm.

Also, bought a mechanical pencil. Interesting times. I think truly inky pens are more unforgiving than I'd like. I suspect even ballpoint is less stressful to work with because at least then the lines aren't permanent. With pencil (and ballpoint) I can sort of 'feel out' the drawing before committing to lines. Works better with my sketchiness too I think.

( I of course reserve the right to make a 180 turn on this opinion. )

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on March 29, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
I don't regimens are meant to be enjoyed. Depending on who you are or what the exact regimen is you can, but it's not a requirement haha
interesting take on the ballpoint v pencil. I would probably agree your sketchiness needs free reign to feel out the drawing and then ink the end result. I'm attacking my art from the view "I need to draw it right first time", but I can only draw within my comfort zone when I do that, so I still need to go all feely at times to experiment and boost my creativity. Trouble is my "out there" artworks can't be processed as easily as my normal generic WIPs so I don't know how to deal with improving my processing. so many things to improve.....

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( I of course reserve the right to make a 180 turn on this opinion. )
XD I feel like that for most of my opinions.

loved #687 thumb.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on March 31, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
Drawing characters dancing is another holy grail for being able to draw characters in motion. Looks like it'd be a hell of a thing to try to draw.

Anyhoo. Got some more churned out. Egad 300 remaining for both. I'm much better off than when I started but egad it's still 300 to go. This'll be fun.

Happy with some but wasn't feeling too inspired. But I've had a good success: I've finally managed to go through all photos I've made in the past 3 years and organized all my stuff into their appropriate folders. No dates or anything properly alphabetical, mind you, but I've greatly decluttered my digital workspace and it is an amazing feeling. I actually celebrated after I was done and it felt like I defragmented my mind a little. Good stuff.
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 01, 2019, 05:19:19 PM
I've reached an uncomfortable level of 'Sacred Syndrome' - The thing where I find paper or method too precious to actually get anything done, so I drew my next stuff on cheap lined paper and it really helped me feel less invested in stuff. It's insane how such little hangups can hinder my motivation. Technically it's the thing that's supposed to give me the edge when using mspaint but even there I feel too invested to get anything done.

The great holy grail of an artist is truly winning this small but important first hurdle every second of every day. This is why I never underestimate the ability to doodle. If you're able to scribble smileys even while in the middle of a conversation then you can really shut off and stop being critical about yourself and that's a healthy habit to have because you've got to believe if you ever get pro and a  deadline is coming you're going to need every single inch of mental energy to get stuff done and fighting that initial hurdle gets tougher the less you're used to getting over it.

Hope that makes sense.

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Re: 708 - I was thinking of Furi when making this thumbnail. I love such self-contained super focused storylines like that. Basic premise of a badass swordsman fighting yet another badass opponent. So fun. I'd play it a gain.

Re: 709 - Was thinking about Lion King and Samurai Jack at the same time. Those circles at the bottom are bug beetles. I can't believe I get to say Samurai Jack successfully concluded. It's quite the optimistic outcome seeing as how many cartoons are axed forever without coming back. I'm going to get a DVD of all the episodes one day.

Re: 716 - Ultimate dart master about to do something funky. Also he has jelly bones
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 02, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 03, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
we often produce our best stuff when we are most relaxed and not worried, but it's very hard to reach that state when you are actually trying to do good work. it's almost like you have to not care about your work to get a good flow. how mad. I wish I had that mindset but I always get too invested in my work and I get too serious way too fast.

I can imagine a whole one shot story from that dart master image haha.
also you've been on paper the whole time until now? Most of my stuff is digital these days. need to do more paper >_<

have you though about instead of sketching a whole line/curve/shape, just draw a few dots along it, until you know that's exactly where you want it to be? it helps to clear your sketches from excess lines, especially in the unforgiving MS paint. Or draw in super faint colours first. Trouble is either way you need to keep a more clear image of what you want in your head. I can't always sketch in that way.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 04, 2019, 01:45:03 PM
I'll try that in a minute. I know what you mean. Guess it's time to try it out practically.

For now I did a 'study' of sorts using earlier thumbnails to see which method works for me. Verdict: Thicker brushes are better. Guidelines are life savers.

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But now I'm surprisingly almost ready to use GIMP or something for other works and just have paint when I want to cool off. Just like I used lined notebooks to give myself less stress and pressure. Hell, might even pick up pencils. But I'll see. No promises.



And yeah haha getting invested in your work can be a problem for real. Gotta shake that habit if you want to produce more. Or at least be a little loose if you can.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 05, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Thicker lines probably feel better because it's easier to make lines meet and get that crisp feeling. Using thinner lines is a lot harder which I realized when I reduced my inking brush size to about half.

That first one is really good. I can see how the sketch contributed to the final lineart and it really pays off to have that layer of rough first.

And great improvements from the original sketches. Good use of different poses too, considering the originals were all mostly standing neutrally.

great face on #437.

I find the biggest problem is becoming invested in your drawing halfway through when it's too late to fix all the problems that you drew while casually being uninvested. Partly my WIP processing helps as it's not the piece itself that makes me invested, it's the time from when I started, so after a few pieces I start to get serious, and the rest come out better. I suppose that's why one is meant to have a warm up of sorts.

and yes guidelines are indeed lifesavers. knowing what sort of guidelines you need, or how and where to draw them, now that's the art.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 15, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
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Mind is melting a bit at this. Doing the stuff simultaenously is a drag. Will deal with it though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on April 15, 2019, 03:27:50 PM
Geat work! Some of the designs can be their own thing in a story.

After you hit your quota. Take a breather then try to put the time in finishing something. A downside of the fast sketching drawing/numbers for a long time you might find yourself losing the ability to focus on one drawing and finishing it.
I guess thats why there is a 30sec 5-10 min 30min 1hour drawings/sketch. I mostly did the 30sec 5-10 min ones.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 16, 2019, 02:35:51 PM
I think that might just be the most varied bunch of designs you've done!
some crazy ones in there but it all adds to the mix.
also, you drew on lined paper? is that just the powers of brightness/contrast hiding the lines? because that is serious hacking.

@Kenfox yep I'm totally on the 5 minute bandwagon there haha. Need to do longer stuff XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on April 17, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
@suuper You sometimes take the sketches and lineart/color them.  You also experiment with new styles, like the gray thing you did. So you are practicing your method/process/workflow.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 17, 2019, 05:15:22 PM
I suppose so :P
I think I just want to improve everything loads XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 17, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
Gotta level everything up haha.


Found a discarded dog magazine and decided to draw every dog in it. Got done in 2 days. I'm looking forward to being done with these regimens and going into the heavy reference stage. Lots of mags I have lying around I'll be able to get through.

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You're right on drawing many on a page thing: I got a lot more done and it somehow felt a tick less exhausting.
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@KeaneFox could be something to look into yeah
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 19, 2019, 04:13:30 AM
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You're right on drawing many on a page thing
I think that's partly because the amount of detail we feel we need to put in is lower, as well as it's actually faster to draw smaller regardless what it is. For quite rough things it's a great idea to sketch smaller anyway so you don't put lots of detail into a really rough sketch.
also fineliner vs ballpoint can also affect fatigue as one tends to sketch guidelines more with ballpoint, but go straight in with fineliner.

#835 stands out as pretty unique and #837-845 were much higher quality than the rest, like really neat.
and well done, you're nearly at the end point!!!!

dogs are also pretty good. you beat me to it for drawing animals haha
When learning a new thing, like an animal, it might be good to try and draw guidelines to break down the body shape. it might help when trying to draw from memory later. your scribbly line style works wonders for giving them fur though.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 26, 2019, 05:05:04 PM
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Time to work on thumbnails now. Glad I'm finally done with this bit.

I'm not jumping up and down, but I'm quite interested in the next regimens I have in mind.

I hope to use some of these characters for other projects some days. I definitely need to learn more variation though. I don't have enough 'ugly' characters.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 26, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
congratulations! you've got another achievement under your belt!
looks like you went through a whole bunch of different drawing styles and types of pens.
it's good to see usage of blacks in the clothing as well for nice contrast.
#958,853 were nice

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I don't have enough 'ugly' characters.
I don't have any lol
I need to learn at some point that I have to draw stuff that I don't want to, to make my story work and my character interesting. At the moment most of my characters fall into very unexciting "normal" designs. That's partly by choice but also because I'm not nearly as adventurous as I should be.

what do you have in mind for your next regimes?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on April 26, 2019, 06:52:20 PM
I forgot to add more details on the post in general. Gah I'll try to be more expositive when I hit my thumbnail quota. Anyhow:

Regimens:

1000 Magazine drawings (no guidelines)

2 manga tracing challenges (Naruto and Biomega by Tsutomi Nihei, pencil, indefinitely long challenge that'll end in the year 2021 unless I go mad and finish it before then)

1000 manga/anime eyes

and a 1000 ecchi challenge that my twin brother from ecchi world will be doing
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on April 27, 2019, 02:50:56 PM
sounds awesome. I suspect my anime eyes regime might overlap with my 1000 expressions that I have lined up

by 1000 magazine drawings, is that a certain theme ie people/outfits/animals, or just a copying regime for improving accuracy?

I've also got a half finished bleach manga copying that I might try and finish at some point. I might stagger that with my actual manga story drawing so I can keep my manga specific skills in check.

ahh give your twin my best regards, I'm not on ecchi world much anymore.

all the best and keep us updated :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 05, 2019, 08:50:38 AM
Yeah that does happen with regimens quite a bit. No matter how focused on something it ends up being related to another sort of regimen haha.

The magazine drawing one will be purelya reference and copying one for the sake of accuracy. I'm starting to come around to the idea of breaking down things, though, so maybe i can sneak in some 'studies' in there (I won't study singular topics though, just break down images as I see them and move on. I am a generalist now)

Oh yeah manga copying stuff is interesting too. And yeah the choice between doing your manga projects and training is a hard one. That's why I've decided on the general deadline of 2 years to get all my clutter unfinished training e.t.c out of the way before I say 'Okay, I'm doing this now. I'm under no illusion that I'll still have hundreds of ideas then, but I feel like I'll be much more focused knowing I don't need to feel like I need to fine tune everything to do with my process or feel guilt tripped for not drawing an OC I've had lying in a sketch folder for ages. Also it makes me curious as tho how many 1000s I can rack up after constantly drawing a little every day.

Haha i'll send him your best regards. Also return to the ecchi side. For science!
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184 thumbs remaining and I've finished this harrowing thing. Yessss.

Wanna race to the finish, suuper? I see you almost done too on your side for your WIP improvement thing hhaa.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: MahluaandMilk on May 07, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
 :ohmy:

Y'know I was almost happy with what I was able to produce during my mini-hiatus until I skimmed through here...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 13, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
All progress is progress Mahlua. If there's anything I've learnt from regimens is that it's the small steps done reliably that are ever more important than the big milestones as fun as they seem. If you've done some work in a little way in your drawing then it'll pay off in a big way later down the line. Work at your pace and you'll be aces gold.
(And welcome back-ish I guess? It's always fun seeing your post dump after your haituses)


And without further ado...

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Thumbs: 1014/1000
Chars: 1000/1000


The 700 mark for both of the regimens was one of the worst grinds I've ever had when it came to regimens. A lot of things in my life at the time were demanding all my attention and I just generally felt wrung out and exhausted with the trudge. But as it always happens regardless of how unmotivated I am the numbers dwindled up until I was only a few more before the finish line and now I'm beyond even that and can say that I've successfully done 1000 characters and 1000 thumbnails.

I tried as well as I could to be unique with every one, to come up with an idea of how the characters would look fully rendered or what thumbnails interested me, and there are quite a few fun moments paired with the horrible trudge. For example the conversations that always come up when people notice you doing regimens (obvious, repeat occurence when you draw traditionally in public.) And then there were times I saw scenes clearly when I was feeling tired and/or boozed up. It's interesting how not being quite razor conscious helps you build up and imagine scenes free-er. I wish I could've done some of those thumnbnails more justice, but I do remember their essence and if I ever felt like expanding upon them I'm confident I'd know a lot more on how to fill out those scenes.

This regimen was a milestone on another front as well: In interests of time and my hope to improve my art, I'm going to be going a heavily tracing/reference based regimen road for a while. I'm desperate to jump right back into my main comic and writing projects after this regimen to see what I've learned from it but I know I'm not quite there yet and am actually excited to shut off a little and let myself learn from external sources and let some inspiration and influences seep into my art more. As it is I have a comfortable enough base of my own style to start off on any of my projects and I'm confident in that, but I want to still spurce it up a little by learning how to reference and basically drawing stuff I usually wouldn't draw (or at least draw stuff I'd love to be able to draw)

I'll be sure of what to call the regimen when I get started on it, but I'm thinking it's 1000 magazine drawings. If something else comes along before that - even if it's not referencing as I intend - I'll see about that too.

For now I will just dance a jig and be happy about hitting this milestone.

And now post all that I have done in all it's glory.

Warning: Lotso scrolling

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on May 13, 2019, 11:27:10 PM
Congrats Lego! There's definitely an improvement that can be seen between the beginning and the end of all of these! Some of the thumbs feel like they're about to be focused into a more flushed out piece.

That magazine run does sound interesting, although the thought of you getting back into the regular comic routine is an awful appealing one. It feels like years since you've been on that consistently (hell, maybe that's not far off). But yeah, I imagine once you're back to it on the regular, there will be a marked difference.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on May 14, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
Thanks Coryn!

In my head I'm doing a sort of 'classy procrastination'. I have so many hang-ups that I've got to work through that I need to work my way through them before I can focus on what I want to do. I wish I had  your level of productivity on that front haha.

I'll see if i can sneak a panel or two in between my 'busy' life
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on May 14, 2019, 08:43:43 PM
Well, you just gotta push through it sometime. But I've found that just setting aside a few hours every Sunday will at least keep me pushing forwards. As long as you can find a time to consistently put to it, even if it's an off day, you'll get something done.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on May 15, 2019, 04:14:28 AM
Congratulations on getting a whole TWO more 1000 regimes under your belt!!!!!!!!

I've sort of mentioned favourites along the way so I wont mention any more, but it's been great to see the amount of unique ideas that you put down on paper.

I did notice that your regime changed very quickly from just drawing clothing to drawing whole characters. that took the focus off the accuracy of the clothing, but I think these functioned better as complete character concepts. As with my own sketches, I've realised it's better to have the good idea and fix the accuracy later than draw something non interesting accurately first time. Your thumbnails also started off a bit random on the pages but you got into a nice rhythm and spaced them nicely and evenly.

You went through quite a few sketching styles so it's difficult to comment on actual art improvement, as well as the fact that they are meant to be rough to begin with, but you had some solid ideas. Even what you probably consider to be your generic non-interesting ideas are still way ahead of me haha

Now that you have finished the both, I might go through and use a bunch of your characters and thumbnails as inspiration for new sketches for a while, although I've got plenty of my own to be working on as well XD

I've not drawn in public very much, partly because my life doesnt get me out in public very much where I am free to draw.  It's great that you've made connections this way and I'm sure it makes the art more fun and interesting.

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It's interesting how not being quite razor conscious helps you build up and imagine scenes free-er.
I have occasionally experienced this but not consistently enough to call it a thing. I have experienced very different moods where my accuracy has been extra high or my ideas have been extra fancy. But it's not like I feel any different, it just happens and I don't know why. Sometimes having done exercise beforehand seems to help, like it loosens my body up so I'm more fluid when I draw. I think.

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I wish I could've done some of those thumnbnails more justice, but I do remember their essence and if I ever felt like expanding upon them I'm confident I'd know a lot more on how to fill out those scenes.
Really, I think that's the point - to quickly get an idea down on paper. It doesnt have to be great, or even finished, if it conveys the idea properly. If you already know how you would improve it then you almost don't have to, if you get what I mean. It's when you decide to use that scene in an artwork/project that you should be investing the time to fully develop it I think.

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I'm desperate to jump right back into my main comic and writing projects after this regimen to see what I've learned from it but I know I'm not quite there yet and am actually excited to shut off a little and let myself learn from external sources and let some inspiration and influences seep into my art more.
Yup that's exactly how I feel pretty much. It's hard to balance "learning art" and "doing art" when you're not at the skill level you want. You've certainly got the right mindset for taking on a huge project now. It's just having the time to do whatever you want that seems to be the problem for all of us.

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing your art leap forward and all the best for the future regimes and projects!!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
Well the idea to reference as much as possible turned out to be a huge failure. I ended up shutting down and getting into a major rut. I'm still for tracing manga and drawing from mangazines as the like, but my engines went to a complete stand still and I felt daunted at the idea of putting my pen down to do anything really.

I've decided to dial myself down to near zero, that is, stick figures and simple shapes. It's a legendary cop out, but it's the only thing that works, and it's made me able to draw a little more again so I'll stick with this.

New regimens: 10,000 stick figures and 1,000 simple buildings (made of squares mostly)

I hope the building one will help me with scale at least, otherwise I'm literally just burning through scrap paper and doodling when and where I can, the true essence of a regimen. Still feel like I'm in a rut but I'm more optimistic about these than other ideas.


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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 25, 2019, 06:44:42 AM
Dang, sorry to hear it didn't work out so well for you!!
It happens to the best of us (-_-)

I'm constantly bouncing between ideas and goals which change the type of regimes or art I want to do which is always a bit of a pain. Every month or so I have a different direction with my art which makes it difficult to be consistent in my targets.

But good that you're not letting it keep you down, any art is better than no art, and some simple regimes might just be the thing. 10,000 stick figures is certainly a large target - that's 30 a day, for a whole year!
I've found that often my best poses came from when I had doodled a stickfigure thumbnail first, so this might help you to explore different poses and stuff without worrying too much about proportions ("proportions are just facts, it's the pose which is art"). maybe do some group shots of several stick figures, or fight/combat poses between two figures. even try out different ways of drawing stick figures. there's a lot you can do for variation to keep out of a rut!

nice cute house ideas, I've linked this artist once before on MR but this might give you some inspiration for variety in your doodles https://www.deviantart.com/mattiasa

keep it up :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 25, 2019, 12:48:10 PM
Aww, feels man. References can be stifling sometimes for real. I think it's a good thing you were able to let go of one method and switch to another in order to draw. Hang in there!

I really like the easy feel of the stick figures c: hadn't thought of using a rectangle figure for the body before O: How do you find using that compared to a single back bone line?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 26, 2019, 05:24:41 AM
I found it much better, but I've actually been inspired by this instagram to go a wholly different direction for stick figures.  https://www.instagram.com/lixdhedgehog/
 
I want them to always be this large. I guess it feels like a stretch to call them stick figures anymore, but I need them to be like this for the sake of volume and layering.  (That being said there's still some stuff on pinterest that makes me say 'Dammit, stick figures can still be expressive as heck. People are talented in everything, I tell ya)

Long time no see Echo. Like your new profile pic, did you draw it?


@suuper Yes the thumbnail thing has been a godsend its ridiculous man. The things one ignores because of impatience and stubbornness... Sigh. Well I'm definitely thumbnailing a lot more now to make characters. I'll post my efforts soon.

And dude this guy is aces. I see what you mean about the doodling thing though. He works with just lines and it feels relaxed enough to encourage me. But man can he add details. You know, this reminds me of your random pipe and circuitry drawings. Haven't seen any of those in a while. Do you still do them? I liked them a lot!

For now... I've reached 1,000 somewhere along the line. I'm really enjoying this regimen. I'm having nice moments of peacefully zoning out without stressing about everything and that's great.


Order is a bit messed up and low quality because I'm working with A3 papers. Love this size.
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 26, 2019, 08:28:03 AM
345-349 good job at trying the same pose different ways to get what you want - it can be a bit daunting at first but that sort of super-focused practice is exactly what one needs to improve.

also 900's - nice style of body you've got there, the repetitive practice can also help to notice bad habits and make good ones so make sure you give yourself a bit of feedback after each one and have a target for drawing (i.e checking for slant etc can be good when doing lots of quick sketches as you start to learn to double check your work more frequently - and I found on occasion just before drawing a line I realized that i was about to draw it slanted, as could correct myself.)

I don't draw the pipes or electronics very much, partly because it comes rather naturally to me and I'm trying to draw out of my comfort zone. I will be drawing more when I get into backgrounds and my steampunk manga which remains to be written.

and well done on the first 1000. maybe have a different genre for each 1000 to try out different areas or something, although you do naturally change up from time to time anyway.

nice non stick-figure page mixed in there btw that's really nice characters there. also, A3, huh? I don't touch that mostly because it's a pain to start storing paper of that size as well as my A4 XD
my digital canvas is A3 though and I draw at that scale (otherwise I make too many files haha)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 26, 2019, 09:56:44 AM
I'll try to consciously check for more slants now, and I can get pretty repetetive at a point. I'll see if I can add themes to my stick figures. If anything I should at least aim at something if I draw the same pose (proportion, anti slant e.t.c) I'll see what I can do.

Hahaha paper organization will be become absolute hell for me. I can't even scan my A3s so its even more annoying. I love them for storyboarding especially though. They motivate me for some reason to plot out my comic since I can just bend one and then I have 4 a4 surfaces to work with thumbnailing on XD

More stuff showing my scribbles thumbnails techniques


Here I turned small thumbnails in to characters. Thumbs are such life savers for mental stamina. You can really work with the smallest shapes and expanding them is so interesting. I love thumbnailing now.
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I particularly liked this one below because I truly worked with scribbles done with a ballpoint pen and then made characters over them. It worked better than I'd have hoped-
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I've almost forgotten I was doing a building regimen thing. I'll need to do more along with my stick figures.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on July 26, 2019, 10:46:21 PM
@Lego Thanks and yep, I drew it. She's my character c:

The style of that artist is quite appealing O_O Think I'd like to try something like that to. So simple and yet so cool - how?!

Also, great work with those figure drawings! I like the feel of some of them, like in the 900s.

337 - 338 just :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on July 30, 2019, 07:04:04 AM
I just discovered it comes from an rpg called marikin online 4. I need to learn japanese haha. There's a whole community for it making art in this style and it was made with RPG maker. You should check it out

Thankee Echo, and she looks really good haha! The colours work well and I just love the outfit.


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I've found focusing on the limbs alone is making thinking of the figures easier. Slants, random proportions and a lack of theme are hellish though. I need to pace myself a little.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on July 31, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
whoops thought I replied to the other post.
yeah not being able to scan in A3 is a bit of a pain, although if it's thumnailing then the accuracy/quality doesnt matter so much and you can fold the paper or take a photo.
funny you say about folding A3 to make an A4 booklet, because I often fold my A4 in half haha. Not so much for drawing, but when I plan for my coding or designing something mechanical I do this a lot. it totally gives a different feel for some reason haha.

and lovely character designs. they look a lot more filled out and detailed than your 1000 characters that you drew before. which reminds me I have to steal some of them. might make a regime of it :D

and great work pumping those figures out, it'll do wonders for your proportions.
funny that last one #1224, is very similar to how I often draw my figures on the first iteration. mine are a bit more joined up with circles for the main joints but I think the way you drew it is quite similar. for difficult poses having a drawing method that breaks it down to have a crack at it helps a lot.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 02, 2019, 12:43:39 PM
Doooo eeeeeeet, I'd love to see you do any one of my characters again. And like promised on my side I want to draw one of yours as well haha.

I'm finally hitting the level that I want. The figures feel more right to draw out and it's an amazing feeling feeling like I'm improving something a bit haha. Awesomesauce

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on August 02, 2019, 10:02:06 PM
The smol little chibi bodies are cute XD
I'm getting a nice feeling from the shoulders. My favourite are the really rounded ones.

Looked up marikin. Ya weren't kidding about the Japanese haha.
Definitely interesting art. Those faces....
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 03, 2019, 12:43:03 AM
agreed, cute chibis are cute :P
#1313 might steal :P
I think your poses are starting to loosen up a bit, like you're trying out different and more difficult poses? keep it up (^-^)/
I definitely know that feeling of being on the edge of improvement, so keep it up and I'm sure that it will have fantastic results.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on August 30, 2019, 06:18:25 PM
I definitely hit something that's sticking with me, and I'm almost in stride now.

Also good news: My computer lives again and I have backed everything up I need. Damn it was expensive but I'm so happy about this.

I was convinced to use a pencil more and got an awesome mechanical one that's pretty fun to use, but for the sake of scanning and the simple fluidity of ink I might reserve using a pencil for other occassions instead.

I like how these kinds of stick figures force me to think more about layers and perhaps 3d. Also been practicing with sword swooshy effects and feeling happy about it. I've even tapped into some expression drawing practice, something I'm severely lacking at.

All in all, the regimen goes on. Sorry for scan quality.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on August 31, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
that's an awesome load of work there lego!
past 1.5k already huh? the road is long but you're making great headway, and trying out lots of different styles which is awesome as well.

#1578 and the ones around it - what an awesome character style. I think you posted a similar style of another artist that inspired you, but you've really made it your own. that could very easily be a webcomic style as-is.
just a thought, especially since you're playing with styles and stuff, why not make a some manga pages/chapters in that style? I think that wouldn't be too hard and it would let you play with camera angles and sequential combat stuff which might work well, without worry too much about proportions and accuracy, since the characters proportions are a lot more simply built.

great foreshortening and extreme camera angle shots, they look very believable.

the single person sword shots and the two person combat shots are great with the speed lines and the motion lines.

keep it up!!!!
I'll have to keep working hard to not get left behind by you XD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on September 01, 2019, 09:18:07 AM
I think having seen the literal background of some of these pages is a bit like seeing how the proverbial sausage gets made. You definitely have an idea of what it looks like, but the reality never quite syncs up.

I really love 1489. His pose says "I'm outtie!" His face says "Y'all have fun with whatever the f*ck this is."

Spoiler
*Gives a nod to 1469*

Good looking guy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on September 01, 2019, 11:01:02 PM
I can feel the 3D in the bodies that are angled slightly sideways or have their hands in front of the body somewhere like 1463, 1486, 1483, and 1477. The poses that include two characters add to it too!

And swooshy sword effects are niiiiice c:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 03, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
I love them. I copied the sword swooshing from Knight Run, an amazing manhwa and hands down one of my favourite when it comes to action webtoons. So damn cool.

@Coryn haha I felt the same seeing Nair do his thing and No1sey and Vacants' story world building processes

Yeah 1489 had enough of whatever that was.

Also
Spoiler
Indeed. Indeed.

@suuper I've actually made a lot more progress than I ever could've hoped for. I'm happy about it. And stumbling onto this marikin online tag on instagram has been such a godsend. It's really helped me upgrade what I consider basic stick figures.

And definitely for the storyboard thing. My plan is to have these figures become my basic building blocks always when planning a comic page. I don't think I want it to be my style per se but it'll buff up my page planning process I hope.

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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: KeanFox on September 03, 2019, 12:58:39 PM
2000 yay. I was going to say you can use that basic stick figures to plan your story but you said it first.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Coryn on September 03, 2019, 08:31:34 PM
Lego you need to start adding more sound effects to these things. Also: I'm looking forward to you making some actual manga pages after all of these. You've definitely improved in just these 2000 figures!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: Echo_River on September 04, 2019, 11:03:42 PM
The dynamic and action poses are so inspiring. Great work on the figures!
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on September 05, 2019, 08:57:31 AM
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And definitely for the storyboard thing. My plan is to have these figures become my basic building blocks always when planning a comic page. I don't think I want it to be my style per se but it'll buff up my page planning process I hope.
That's a great idea. Having a style that you only use for planning or something is just as useful as having an art style for final pieces. Rather than a style, I suppose it's more of a guideline method, but same thing.

I'm currently figuring out how to thumbnail roughly but still include lots of details. like how to record my ideas in the most efficient and quick way? I sometimes just plain write in words what something is, or the action, rather than trying to actually draw it to any level in the planning stage, which is probably the best compromise. I do have a plan to just write new character descriptions at some point so that might be an overlap. Once again, so many ideas :P

Annnnnnnnd.....congrats on 2000! what a ridiculously high number! and it will only grow from here. so inspiring and encouraging. keep it up :P
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: bossx5 on September 12, 2019, 12:00:01 AM
I know practice makes perfect but is this making it faster and easier to do poses because lately i been thinking of doing this with diffrent ocs because people move diffrent and want to know can you geel any diffrence in speed and ease. And i wanted to ask you do you use guide lines or the scribble method because i use both and for me the scribble method is fun but when i use guidelines (bubble or block) its more fundamental but stiff.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: legomaestro on September 12, 2019, 05:47:43 AM
I haven't gotten to drawing any OC stuff yet so I'll have to see. It's helping me think before I draw, and when making thumbnails I have a better sense for 'filling out' the camera frame, something that is hard to think of when the stick figures are only lines.

This is very experimental for me so I would recommend going with the safer 'construct - draw over' method. I don't use guidelines and am churning them out as I go.

But yes, I feel like it'll help me make figures faster

@suuper  The thing is sometimes a foggier thumbnail helps your brain feel more free when planning out stuff. I've found out a nifty character making method that basically uses scribbles to suggest forms and my brain fills out the rest. I'll show more of those when I get around to them.

Thanks! I'm dissapointed that I slowed down after that. 10,000 is a while's away, but I've got some new ones to post (which is why I've shown up again. I should really participate in the forum more other than just dumping my regimens. Got to keep up with what the other Raiders are doing. )

@Echo thankee!

@Coryn you and me both, friend. My onomaetopia (sp?) needs release. Bam! Paff! Buff! Tuff (that one is from SrGrafo. Cool artist. Check him out)

@KeanFox Thanks man! And I'm hoping for that eventuality.

Moar. Like I said I slowed down, but I'm proud to say I finally got my tripod and recorded three videos. 1 of me swinging two metal bars, one with my model katana and one with a wooden stick. I used VLC player to make about 300 reference images and have sent them to my phone, so now I'm getting into self references.

Problem though: It feels super stiff to use references. I slow down a heck of a lot and while some poses turn out better than expected and I've seen some pretty interesting hand grips to draw in the future, I'm not quite feeling it. Still, I'm glad I tried it out.

One thing I'm learning: Clothing is super deceptive about anatomy haha. Also I need to get better fitting jeans. Also I'm thin and lanky as heck. What the hell. I need protein. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Another thing: Ballpoint is amazing. I'm still going to try out pencil as recommended, but god the difference between finelines and ballpoint is night and day. It's so much more tacticle and comfortable to feel out the figures. I really had fun with that. I legit love ballpoint now and I'm not just forcing myself.

Buuut I'm going to do fineliners for the challenge and speed. I'll be switching it up.


I doubt I'll be doing much thumbnailing in this regimen. I've come to learn that comic pages have a different focus than having the entire figure show up in frame. Close up shots, singular images of hands gripping things, feet about to step off the ground, grins and expressions are what make a manga. And even when the figure is fully in frame it's because the focus is on the background. Because of this my stick figures will either have to be really tiny or cut off from frame. So I'll just do full body stick figures for the whoel way. If I want to thumbnail I'll go to another regimen.

 


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Title: Re: Miscellaneous Arts and Sketchbook
Post by: suuper-san on September 12, 2019, 07:53:46 AM
those spindley legs on the second last page are good
well 100 figures are 1% of the regime so you're still chipping away.
nice swooshy weapon effects and poses, although quite a few of the figures dont quite feel like they match the path the weapon is taking, but I can't quite figure it out. I haven't drawn weapon poses since, ever.
ballpoint is great, yes it is :P
and videoing yourself to get pose reference? awesome. self-references are the best, you can get exactly what you want, and you're being more original.