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Title: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 06:13:36 PM
There seems to be a problem from time to time where sometimes old uploaded pictures disappear from sites, as seen early in my gallery as just one of many examples, but now I keep getting a message from Photobucket users saying that they must upgrade their account, and it looks like it may have something to do with a 3rd party hosting limit.

This just keeps happening, it seems. I'm concerned that Photobucket will do the same to me although I've barely grazed my data allowance for the site, and it would probably be quite frustrating to have another huge image drop of the scale this one is likely to be.

In the interest of not having raiders pay for third party image hosting, which is the way it looks with all the URL changes and rule changes and limits placed on sites that allow them " "for free" "...why not just allow images as a form of attachment that can be uploaded directly to the forum? I feel like it would save time, also, since Photobucket likes to lag on my computer, as to most third party image hosting sites.

Of course, there's also Google Drive, but sometimes the viewing permissions on those are outright weird, and the URLs on those links like to change or stop functioning after a certain time frame.

I understand that this likely would put a lot of pressure on the storage of MR, especially with so many artists and users posting images, so it's fine if it's not feasible, but...man, these third party image hosting sites are just ridiculous to try to work around, you know?
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: S8N on July 08, 2017, 06:30:47 PM
In my opinion, I personally prefer the embedded images as opposed to the built in system. Uploaded images appear as thumbnail attachments to the post itself, which removes our ability to choose where we want the image to go. In addition, we will have to click on the icon itself in order for the link to enlargen. While these are not big issues, they do add up and pester us down the line.

I use Imgur as my photo sharing site, and so far, it has never let me down before. Sometimes the problem is not the forum itself, but the image hosts (in your case, Photobucket). As long as the source of the image still exists, the image is supposedly able to display as intended.

Of course, there is only one downside (that I can think of) of having the feature implemented--that is, uploading eventually requires storage, which (if the required space adds up) could force the site to upgrade to a larger plan. That being said, if the resources are available, there shouldn't be a problem putting the feature to use.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
As long as the source of the image still exists, the image is supposedly able to display as intended.

Except that no longer seems to be happening. From my view, Vacant's and Shane's signatures have been wiped out, as have the thumbnails for the Manga Raiders Happy Hours, as well as many images in Lego's gallery. As I said, something like this has happened before with another third-party image hosting site. There's absolutely no guarantee that Imgur won't do the same eventually due to commercialization.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: S8N on July 08, 2017, 06:39:12 PM
I'm not sure about in the long run, persay, but I know that Photobucket is among the most outdated image sharing hosts out there (sorry PB lovers). Honestly, image hosting sites are dropping the axe on their own necks if they require an account upgrade in order for their users to keep their share codes working, and I'd expect that Imgur is intelligent enough not to do that (?)

But who knows, Photobucket seemed to have done it. We would expect their website to die soon. Again, I'm not disapproving your proposal (for it definitely resolves the problem), but I can understand why the site owners might not want to include it.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
I understand that as well, but it does seem to be a general pattern with most websites. They come and go. I'm certain that Imgur will eventually fall into the same pattern. After all, those of us who have been using Photobucket have been doing so for years without issue, which means that you might be able to trust Imgur for years, but that means relatively nothing. That's the entire problem with third-party hosting--it's not consistent. It honestly sucks that this keeps happening, but it will probably only continue due to the increased commercialization of the internet. The problem is that with this block, the amount of stuff that MR might lose is unsettling.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on July 08, 2017, 06:47:25 PM
How much are the image hosting sites charging?
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 06:51:08 PM
With Photobucket, I believe for a full account they charge over $2 a month.

Doesn't seem like a lot, but in situations like mine, you can't guarantee that there will be $2 in your bank every month, because thanks tuition and overpriced education institutions.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on July 08, 2017, 06:53:02 PM
With Photobucket, I believe for a full account they charge over $2 a month.

Doesn't seem like a lot, but in situations like mine, you can't guarantee that there will be $2 in your bank every month, because thanks tuition and overpriced education institutions.


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Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 06:55:15 PM
Amazing, it's almost like some people are poor. What a concept. Mind-boggling, isn't it?
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on July 08, 2017, 07:06:49 PM
@mahluandmilk i was suprised with the cost. Sorry, didn't mean to offend or attack your lifestyle.

I"m unemployed. so i know what it means to stretch a dollar.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
Point is that third party solutions seem to be inconsistent and ineffective and not applicable for everyone. I understand that storage for all the images uploaded may cause issues, especially considering that some people don't size down their images before uploading them and thus their file sizes are outrageous. Nevertheless, this problem does exist and it likely will crop up again. I figure just having a space to discuss it and other possible solutions might be helpful.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: S8N on July 08, 2017, 07:49:48 PM
The point is, there's no reason in the first place for 3rd party image hosters to even be charging. Why? Because others don't, and it's honestly not that hard to do it yourself for free.

Image hosters should already be lucky that they generate as much as they do through ad revenue, and I'll be interested to see how long PB can survive with the sh*t they just pulled off.

For people who are yet unable to pay for themselves, or those (people like me) who find it petty to charge for services like this; the core of the issue is that Photobucket did this for the money grab, and in turn slapped all their consumers who've been supporting them for all these years in the face.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Vacant on July 08, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
For photobucket. To access 3rd party image hosting, they're wanting $400.....Just let that sink in. From free to $400 per year. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that meeting, if for nothing else other than to see how strong the crack was they were smoking.

I'm going to look for an alternative and dump any useful ones I find. I don't mind paying a small price for a service. But since I only use Photobucket to post images onto this forum, I think I'd rather masturbate with sandpaper than drop that amount of money for that.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 08, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
Woooah, that's much more outrageous. Welp, looks like I'll start shifting over to another hosting site, and it looks like it might be IMGUR. Ugh, I hate transferring data. Hopefully, at least, we can just pick up from here and transition.

I'll be sad, though. One of my favorite pasttimes used to be looking at other raider's older artworks and seeing how much they've improved over time. It's a nice inspirational kinda thing to see, but it would take so long to restore everything and edit all the posts to contain the images in the correct order and bluh.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Manimal on July 08, 2017, 09:11:42 PM
I was still using Majhost when I first joined the forum, that went down soon after. I'd used it forever so I know the feel, I was like noooo. Imgur is really the best and easiest to use site. Fast upload, literally no bs, and easy edits. I hope it stays good.

But my stuff often is deleted by myself over time anyway from embarrassment, hence my barren old gallery threads. In retrospect, I should've always stuck to one and kept everything on here, but too late now.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Hasith on July 08, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
I asked members to move from Photobucket and start using one of other Image host because Photobucket has been going downhill for a while. I use Flickr and imgur.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: S8N on July 08, 2017, 11:35:44 PM
But my stuff often is deleted by myself over time anyway from embarrassment, hence my barren old gallery threads. In retrospect, I should've always stuck to one and kept everything on here, but too late now.
But it's like baby pictures growing up. You gotta cherish them xD

At least for me, I agree with Mahlua. There's a certain pride in visibly seeing how you you've improved as time goes on. I know in the past few weeks, my art has improved significantly (thanks Devola!), because I've been genuinely pushing towards a goal. I'd love to keep my old pieces just to see how much I've evolved since the beginning.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2017, 12:23:53 AM
I remember seeing something about reminding people to log into Photobucket once every three months in order to keep their images, but I seemed to have missed the memo about dropping it all together. I'll do what I can to preserve my thread as is by transferring what I can to IMGUR and modifying my posts, but even then, there's no real guarantee that IMGUR will keep them safe for very long.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 09, 2017, 12:39:29 AM
DeviantArt has a function where you can store images outside of the normally gallery (in your Sta.sh) which is private unless linked. That's how I share a lot of my images. It has a limit, but I've never been in danger of reaching it and it isn't timed.

Plus it's free though more storage comes with the upgraded account.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2017, 01:16:39 AM
I've thought about it, but I know myself well enough to know that I'd get too caught up in the DeviantArt community and, no offense to the DA community, I really don't have the time or the patience to deal with another community on top of the ones I'm in.

What I'm doing now is saving my files in numeric/chronological order so that I always have a copy on my computer and Google Drive, and then I'm uploading them to IMGUR, and then I'm going to edit all of my prior posts from when I used photobucket, and I'm going to replace all the links with the IMGUR ones. It is going to be a pain in the ass, but it will be done.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: The SlamJam on July 09, 2017, 02:23:12 AM
The solution is to not use PhotoBucket.


Artstation, DeviantArt + Imgur are all fine alternatives.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2017, 02:32:14 AM
You didn't read through this thread at all did you? The point is that most third-party hosting sites aren't an eternal guarantee. (Although, I personally just transferred all of my data to IMGUR and modified all my posts here and in Ecchiworld. It took me just about two hours to complete the transfer.)

But what happens if IMGUR blows out? What happens when the good image hosting sites of now start commercializing and doing the same stuff PB is doing? This is probably going to happen. That's why I'm bothering to make this thread. Besides, do you realize how many members have used PB? Like, I can't wrap my head around why you're so "THIS IS THE SOLUTION" when clearly it's not so simple. Wow, hindsight is a b----, yeah, and PB has been going downhill, but seriously dude. If my gallery took this long to save, then god forbid for some other raiders...
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: BobbyJoeXForgotenSB on July 09, 2017, 02:42:53 AM
this should be the solution, MR should have a booru or something, so that there is a place to post your work and if you want to post an art on the forum itself, you can take it from the booru
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: The SlamJam on July 09, 2017, 04:07:55 AM
The thing is though, is that you shouldn't be entirely depending on one website for storing images. If you want 'Eternal', then I can't see Google Drive or Dropbox going away any time soon. Diversifying and using DA/Artstation or imgur (or a combination) provides an alternative to photobucket.


DeviantArt also isn't going anywhere anytime soon, ranking as the 89th most popular website in the United States [Alexa as source].


There's no need to be so dramatic, nor is there any need for such namecalling. I just chimed in to offer solutions. We are supposed to be civil on this forum, please don't resort to such responses. When one of your cloud based backups go offline, you switch to the other. This is basic data handling.


This forum has been advocating moving from Photobucket since i joined, it's not like this is a complete change in direction from Photobucket (as discussed).
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: BobbyJoeXForgotenSB on July 09, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
The issue is all those sites have memory limits
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 09, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
There's no need to be so dramatic, nor is there any need for such namecalling. I just chimed in to offer solutions. We are supposed to be civil on this forum, please don't resort to such responses.

When did I call you any names? At worst, I was saying that hindsight is a b----. Being a little dramatic I can admit to, but as I said, there's no guarantee that those sites aren't going anywhere, especially if DeviantArt is so popular, they could easily sway to commercialization, and on top of that, there is what BobbyJoe said. The issue of memory limits can be a problem considering that some design programs export files as a GB or more, depending on what's been done in it, and that kind of thing can fill up quickly.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: S8N on July 09, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
The situation is getting slightly elevated here. The discussion itself has produced some great options, and only time will tell if they will work. Everyone has their own approach to things, and it's important that we respect that. More importantly, we want to keep this as a discussion as opposed to a debate or argument. If an option is valid, it's worth bringing up--there's no need to discredit somebody else's suggestions.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Forlorn Serpent on July 13, 2017, 06:34:33 AM
I keep getting emails from photobucket saying I need to upgrade to allow 3rd party. I thought it was when you exceed maximum amount. I used photobucket in the beginning for my gallery but then I self hosted from my website. Am I about to lose my pictures here? I know I talked big, but it's going to be a pain if I need to.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: Robin Ryuu on July 13, 2017, 07:39:07 AM
I keep getting emails from photobucket saying I need to upgrade to allow 3rd party. I thought it was when you exceed maximum amount. I used photobucket in the beginning for my gallery but then I self hosted from my website. Am I about to lose my pictures here? I know I talked big, but it's going to be a pain if I need to.
I can't see a lot of peoples signatures and stuff since it's been replaced with the upgrade thing.
Title: Re: Blocked/Un-Hosted Images and a Possible Solution
Post by: MahluaandMilk on July 13, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
@Forlorn Serpent: Probably. GG.
("Cell Block Tango" plays in the distance.)