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Title: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 17, 2009, 10:32:00 PM
this is a topic for all those new to writing and have some questions they would like to ask about how to improve and what not. basically its supposed to be like answers.com for manga writers so ask away and i will answer your questions to the best of my abilities.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 17, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
Ask coryn or 'ask the writers?' can i answer
too? lol
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 18, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
well yeah you can answer too. i just thought ask coryn sounded cooler
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 18, 2009, 06:25:49 PM
That doesn't sound even remotely egocentric
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 19, 2009, 09:53:39 AM
yes yes well i'm not going to argue that point. but i didn't want to drag others into something they wouldn't want to do
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 19, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
Thank you for being considerate
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 19, 2009, 11:51:27 PM
your welcome
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 20, 2009, 11:08:28 AM
Anyways I see we have lots of people asking us questions
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Fallen Kite on June 20, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Haha, what should I ask'?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on June 20, 2009, 03:22:57 PM
oh me!!! i have one!!!



# 1.   do you have a set time to write, or do you just write when you come up with something?

# 2.   why am i not allowed to use the to be verb when i write!?

# 3.   when you write do you ever wonder what people will think when they read it, or do you just write for your self and then end up showing it to people later?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Fallen Kite on June 20, 2009, 03:25:56 PM
oh me!!! i have one!!!



# 1.   do you have a set time to write, or do you just write when you come up with something?

# 2.   why am i not allowed to use the to be verb when i write!?

# 3.   when you write do you ever wonder what people will think when they read it, or do you just write for your self and then end up showing it to people later?
Well... ask the writers :D But good q's :)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on June 20, 2009, 04:03:18 PM
1. There should never be a limit to when you write. Always have a pen and a notepad ready to write down any idea you may have during the day so that you may return to it later. Just make sure you have enough to jog your memory but not too much you forget what you were writing in the first place.

2. a) The first reason is that you don't want to jog people's memories of ever having liked that pokemon song "To be a master" ...a pokemon master~ =_=
    b) I'm not exactly too sure about this one.

3. Just as was said in Finding Forrester, write from the heart first and then edit with your mind. Good writers have their own unique style that readers can immerse themselves in. A good idea is to have someone help you with editing to catch any parts that don't make sense before you send it off to others to read. Of course, if it's a short story, you could probably do this on your own. The opinion of a skilled reader is important but what comes first is how you feel about the work.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 20, 2009, 11:28:25 PM
1. i write when it feels right. the moral of the story being dont force yourself to write. only write when its time to write. you know what i mean.

2. as far as using "to be" if it makes the sentence work, use it. if not, try to avoid it.

3. just write for yourself. you have to please yourself before you please others. if you dont it wont matter if other people like what you wrote if you dont like it yourself.

and sai what have you written?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on June 21, 2009, 12:57:07 AM
I've mostly written short fiction and a certain genre of fanfic called "lemons" which I won't care to explain. >.< Many times I have a simple idea that I really want to make into a story so I do just that.

The most extensive project I had was in middle school for a novella called The Realm of Avalon. The story was of an exiled prince that is called back to the castle that coldly drove his mother to her death. Being an exile, the council of elders believes the prince would be the perfect candidate for a secret mission. Just months ago, the kingdom had won an age-old war. The problem, however, is that the general and his entire battalion had gone missing. Being sure of the general's absolute loyalty, the elders rule that the event must be the work of a force long thought to have been extinguished in their youths. The young prince accepts the mission not because the general was his old mentor nor because he seeks to return his title, but to give his mother a proper burial in the imperial chambers.

I also write poetry but that stuff will never be for anyone's eyes but my own. >.<
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 21, 2009, 11:24:47 PM
you should post some of your stuff. but lets leave the topic for questions now
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on June 21, 2009, 11:59:08 PM
thanks! ill ask more later... but for now, how many note books do YOU guys have? lol i think we have talked about this before...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Fallen Kite on June 22, 2009, 01:27:43 PM
3  :-\
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 22, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
0. all my stuffs on my computer
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 22, 2009, 06:41:46 PM
1. I tend to just write whenever, but it's really up to you. If knowing in advance that you're going to write for -set hours- helps, do so.

2. Not sure what you mean...

3. Because of the really dark nature of my writing I sometimes -have- to edit out stuff or else people will submit me to a psychologist.


I personally have eight notebooks... all for different things...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 22, 2009, 11:35:50 PM
3. Because of the really dark nature of my writing I sometimes -have- to edit out stuff or else people will submit me to a psychologist.

i understand what you mean. theres a story that i came up with thats so bad ive never told a soul
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on June 23, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
lol, i just counted 25 that are out now, and im sure there are a few in my closet... oh, dear...


do you base your characters off people you know, or do you just make personality up as you go?

do you know the characters past? (even though it's made up)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 23, 2009, 09:28:56 PM
Okay, totally base my characters off other things, sometimes people i know. 'Dave' from my story is based off of the Theory of a Deadman song 'Hate my Life.'

I usually know my chars. bios cos it helps keep things consistent.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on June 24, 2009, 02:27:51 AM
on the story i have been working on lately, i found myself writing a whole "note" about the characters history (from  a child to when he is in the story) it's actually helpful... but it was really time consuming.  :hmm:
that's why i asked.


what do you do when you are disappointed with your work?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 24, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
do you base your characters off people you know, or do you just make personality up as you go?

do you know the characters past? (even though it's made up)

Not when i start writing. to begin with i start with a quick physical description. then i discover the name. and then i learn personality and back story. so basically i treat my characters like a person you meat on the street and then become friends with.

what do you do when you are disappointed with your work?

well if i dont like something and decide to change it first i come up with the alternative to what i have. once i have that i go back to the beginning of my story and start rewriting what needs rewrit so i dont have any continuity errors
                   
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 24, 2009, 06:44:11 PM
The thing about me and my writing: It comes out as one whole story. So, I usually don't write things that disappoint me. when it does happen, I notice, stop writing, and forget about the project.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 25, 2009, 10:27:03 AM
lucky you kaz. when i start writing i only know the end. i have to figure out how to get to that point
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on June 25, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
lucky you kaz. when i start writing i only know the end. i have to figure out how to get to that point

that's kind of a problem for me... lol... or some times i have just a really cool opening...and that's it.

oh well, i guess ill learn, or drop it. lol
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 26, 2009, 12:11:44 AM
well as for discovering an ending just consider what you have to start with. think about what your characters have set out to do. and then just think of the ways they could achieve (or not achieve) their goal. somewhere you will find a general ending, from there you will find the ending your looking for.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: kazbat028 on June 26, 2009, 11:07:56 AM
You have to remember one thing about writing:

IT HAS TO TELL YOUR READERS SOMETHING.

There has to be some sort of moral, message, or idea that is presented in the writing or else you've already written something crappy. It doesn't have to be profound, or even hidden, but it has to be there.

So, find and ending that will help reflect that message/idea/moral and reinforce it's presence in the writing.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Fallen Kite on June 29, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
You have to remember one thing about writing:

IT HAS TO TELL YOUR READERS SOMETHING.

There has to be some sort of moral, message, or idea that is presented in the writing or else you've already written something crappy. It doesn't have to be profound, or even hidden, but it has to be there.

So, find and ending that will help reflect that message/idea/moral and reinforce it's presence in the writing.
Not good at that....  :'(
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on June 30, 2009, 02:51:47 AM
*thinks about story* crap!

wow... this has actually been a really helpful topic! i have learned alot!
(hope to learn more)

i have been writing more! thanks guys!




ok! one more question!
i have been trying to turn the story into manga form... and sense i am really slow at the art part, i have been wrighting down what i want to go on each page... does anyone else do this? :JC_cheesy:
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 30, 2009, 09:17:31 PM
well i dont really try to translate into manga form. i just write it out. of course if your goal is to translate the words into manga form you really dont have to worry to much about making the descriptions so captivating. if you know what i mean. you dont have to use big fancy words or anything. the main focus would be dialogue.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on July 01, 2009, 12:46:08 AM
 :hmm: ok...  :D
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 01, 2009, 09:22:04 AM
feel free to say something if i wasnt clear enough
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on July 01, 2009, 05:43:47 PM
clear! i didn't have anything to add. but i wanted you to know that i read it... lol sorry. but you know what i mean? i didn't want to be rude.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 01, 2009, 10:33:46 PM
i understand. it was just the confused stance that you took at the beginning that made me wonder
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on July 02, 2009, 09:19:11 PM
oh... yeah i was hoping you would not get that idea.. . it is really hard to express emotion like this... lol  :laughing11: <--- using smileys helps.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Maxite on July 18, 2009, 02:04:31 AM
oh me!!! i have one!!!



# 1.   do you have a set time to write, or do you just write when you come up with something?

# 2.   why am i not allowed to use the to be verb when i write!?

# 3.   when you write do you ever wonder what people will think when they read it, or do you just write for your self and then end up showing it to people later?

1. I tend to write when I have an inspiration. This varies depending on what the subject is. Most recently, I find it best to write to a friend in an IM Box. I get instant feedback (or can prod for it), and they can give me ideas based on their reactions. As far as my most creative times, it really depends on the day. Early morning is usually out, but afternoons and evenings are pretty darn good times on average.

2. You can use the verb "to be" when you write. But like anything else, you have to use it properly (which doesn't necessarily translate to proper English, but in a proper artistic form at least).

3. In some cases, I write for the sake of writing. In other cases, I am aware that I am writing not for myself, but for others. As such, I try and think of what other people might like, and blend that in with a bit of what I like to keep myself interested in writing the story.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on July 20, 2009, 01:29:13 AM
 ;) thanks!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Maxite on July 20, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
Here's a question for the writers: Do you frequently listen to music when you write, use another source of sound, or prefer complete silence?

I ask this because I frequently have music playing while I write stories, although for places which have a certain rhythm, I turn the music off lest it distract me from said rhythm.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 20, 2009, 10:23:00 AM
i do. the speed of the music determines the "tempo" of the scene that im writing. if you know what im trying to say.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Waseef on July 23, 2009, 05:15:04 PM
I have a question.

>> How should I write? - For example I am writing a story for a manga, but in my mind it's a fantacy novel. So should I write it in dialoge form and be a realist or in a novel style and be a "heartfollowerist" or whattever they are called.

Looking forward to the answer to this Controversial question.

Thnx 8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 23, 2009, 06:29:23 PM
just write in your own way. even if you write as a "heartfollowerist" the important part is still wether or not you like your story. and in the end you can always make your story suited to be in manga form
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Waseef on July 23, 2009, 07:18:47 PM
You mean writing it all again... Oh no... ZZZZZZ!

Thnx 8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 23, 2009, 11:44:56 PM
not writing it all again. you could take any story no matter how it was written and convert to manga.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Waseef on July 25, 2009, 03:24:50 PM
Really! I am actually not truly familiar with the style of writing involved in manga. Could you help...?

Thnx 8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 25, 2009, 03:55:30 PM
well in manga the conversations are more important than the descriptions of the world. but thats only if you intend the story to be drawn. if its just words on paper both are equally important.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Waseef on July 31, 2009, 04:43:09 PM
Ok, I have my style, my imp events 'n stuff...

But, what about the unimp events <which are a sort of character developing/revealing stage of the story>?

How should thay be???

ps. by imp i mean action events and unimp are the stuff like, you know, normal life stuff...

Thnx 8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on July 31, 2009, 04:47:24 PM
right. its hard to explain. the only real way for you to learn is to watch a lot of anime. sorry i cant help any more than that. i would watch bleach. it has plenty of action and character development.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Waseef on July 31, 2009, 04:56:14 PM
Thanks, although I am back to square 1 on that topic...

Thnx 8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Robs_ugly_artwork on October 03, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
cool, i was hoping there was a thread like this.. (i hope the writers can take a small break from the Anthology to help me out)

anyways, so I've been busy writing a story for my manga before i actually start drawing it.. b/c i wouldn't want to redraw it if i were to add or subtract anything if i mess up..

so far i have the entire story down in my head.. i have 60% of the story written out into story board format (with character text IE: what their actually saying) .. and i began writing it in pure text only form (like a novel i guess) ..  the entire beginning/intro is written from the narrators POV ..

so with that being said ..the major problem i'm having is the transition from narrator to characters POV .. how the heck do i do that? also, if you guys could please give examples.. TIA


oh and if you need more info about my story, just ask.. the story will be told/seen through only the main character eyes.. if that helps any.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2009, 08:28:17 PM
well heres the thing rob. In stories that are told first person the character is the narrator. thats kinda how it works.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Robs_ugly_artwork on October 03, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
I'm sorry, i think I'm not explaining it correctly.. you see the beginning.. i guess it's more like a prologue or back story (none of my characters should be saying this part b/c i written it in 3rd person and the main character wouldn't know in info that's actually said..

i guess my basic question would be is: how do i start my main characters story after the prologue has been read? (the transition)

here's an example of what I'm confused about.. I'll make something up...


prologue:
For centuries the Bunny Clan have been at war with the Wolf Clan .. until one day all the blood shed suddenly stopped.. it seems that the ruler of the Bunny Clan, King Carrot has found a way to make peace with the Wolf Clan.. blah, blah, blah... this is his story...

character transition:
The sun rises in the kingdom of Bunnies .. King Carrot awakens to the sound of chirping birds and the rustling sound of leaves blowing in the wind.. all is peaceful.. or so it seems. :confused:  (insert problem here)


here's where my problem is.. how do i write him saying something to other people? i mean the whole first part is in 3rd person.. i really don't want to write my story like this:>> King Carrot says "this", King Carrot says "that" .. i just want to have him say the words without me having to write that he's saying the words.. you know what I'm saying  :huh:

or should i just have him start talking out of nowhere? and hope my readers catches on?

thanks i appreciate the help  8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Fallen Kite on October 04, 2009, 10:01:09 AM
Hmm :hmm: Just throwing around random ideas...

x1
"Take the letter to the banana king" the carrot king said defeated
"But wouldn't that be..."
"NO!!! We can't allow it to get any further"

x2
The carrot king sounded as if he was about to lose his mind
"TAKE THAT LETTER NOW!!!!"
"I will, I will" The servant said hastily and ran of to deliver the letter
"Sigh, so much trouble caused by just one boy"

*Reads what RUA asked again*
DAMN!!!!

x3
"Carrot? King Carrot?"
"Hmr, what?" The king sounded mad by being called in this peaceful moment
"The Banana King wants to see you" The door to his chamber opened and a servant stepped inside, followed by the Banana King

..... I must remind you that I'm NOT a writer  :laughing11:
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on October 04, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
right now your making more sense rob. i write in third person so i know its not easy. but if you're going to be turning this into an actual manga it wont matter too much if you know whos speaking yourself.

but what i do is kinda imply who's talking. heres an example from my own story.




Samantha looked around at the dark cloud the surrounded the city.

“You can hardly see the city.”

Coryn walked up next to her.

“So this is those dark clouds that you talked about?”

“Yes.”

“What city is this?”

“Hiroshima.”

“So how do we get in?”

“We just walk in.”

“Sounds simple enough. Well then, let’s see who’s home.”



Basically elucidate to who the original speaker is, introduce the second speaker, and then just alternate lines of dialogue.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Robs_ugly_artwork on October 04, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
yes, i know that when i actually turn this into a manga .. all this won't matter  ;) .. but, it's just that i want to get feedback from my story (in text form) first.. to see if it's good enough to start drawing it.. you know? ..

thanks for the advice Coryn .. so i guess it's kinda like how we were doing the Mortal Kombat thing.. what's funny is if that's the case then.. i already finished 60% of my story b/c that's how my script is written for my storyboard, lol

also, with your example (alternating character lines).. i could totally understand what was going on and who was saying what to who .. but, what happens when a character says more then one thing at a time.. like in an action scene or something? or is it done the same way? (introduce character then have him say something) .. b/c in your example you have the characters asking questions.. so it's pretty straight forward who's who .. i need to know how it looks like when they're not..

sorry for all the noob questions... i usually write poems, not stories :Embarrassed:

Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: crowheart7 on October 04, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
It would also be good to improve prose.

Longer paragraphs with imagery and description are good. Anything to add to the atmosphere.

I have trouble with prose myself; it's good to work on that.

Advice, don't try to emulate the prose style of a certain writer. It'll be disastrous.

  
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on October 04, 2009, 01:17:47 PM
well its kinda the same idea. introduce the character who's taking through some action. but the main thing would be to use context clues. but one must remember their isn't much conversation in manga battles. conversation really only happens during pauses in the fight.

when people arent asking questions its still the same idea. alternate the lines. one must also remember that most of the time there will only be two characters engaged in conversation at one time. but when there are more than two you just have to use intros when a different character begins to speak. just practice writing with simple intros and you'll begin to figure out new ones that sound a whole lot better and flow much better.

here are a few examples

(name) interjected...

(name) looked more on edge than the others did...

(name) edged in a little closer....
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Robs_ugly_artwork on October 04, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
It would also be good to improve prose.

Longer paragraphs with imagery and description are good. Anything to add to the atmosphere.

I have trouble with prose myself; it's good to work on that.

Advice, don't try to emulate the prose style of a certain writer. It'll be disastrous.

  

thanks for the advice .. and just for the record.. i have my entire story in my head.. the surrounding world, the people, how they speak, etc. .. so longer paragraphs won't be a problem... also, I'm definitely not here to "emulate" anyones style.. i just need help on how to put my ideas on to paper, in story form .. i already know how to do it in picture form..

sorry if I'm coming off sounding like an ass.. but, i just need to clarify  8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Robs_ugly_artwork on October 04, 2009, 01:27:34 PM
well its kinda the same idea. introduce the character who's taking through some action. but the main thing would be to use context clues. but one must remember their isn't much conversation in manga battles. conversation really only happens during pauses in the fight.

when people arent asking questions its still the same idea. alternate the lines. one must also remember that most of the time there will only be two characters engaged in conversation at one time. but when there are more than two you just have to use intros when a different character begins to speak. just practice writing with simple intros and you'll begin to figure out new ones that sound a whole lot better and flow much better.

here are a few examples

(name) interjected...

(name) looked more on edge than the others did...

(name) edged in a little closer....

sorry for the double post.. i was posting when you posted this :Embarrassed:

ah, i understand now .. thanks Coryn

doing it that way sounds way better than ..

example:

"Halt!.. Who goes there?!"  says the king

vs.

The King looks at the man with menacing eyes.. "Halt!.. Who goes there?!"     <-- this sounds way better  8)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on October 04, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
exactly
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on October 14, 2009, 10:52:43 PM
Easy solution to all of this:
Just have different letter boxes depending on who is talking. Boxes used for the narrator, perfectly round ellipses used for character-to-character dialogue, then the strangely shaped ellipses for thoughts in their own mind only.

(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss28/saihawkeye/example.jpg)

Edit: I was a bit confused. I thought you meant this for a manga.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Robs_ugly_artwork on October 15, 2009, 12:07:29 AM
lol, thanks for the advice on the word bubbles Sai.. but, as you already found out, my questions was more toward the text only story writing aspect.. not the graphic type.. although i might need some help with that later on.. :tongue:
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on October 15, 2009, 10:49:51 AM
sai for a characters thoughts i find that its easier and more intuitive for the reader to just make inner thoughts italicized.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Lassiter on November 24, 2009, 01:49:15 AM
You can italicise it but you don't have to. Take a look at this;

"What a mess, he thought, all these people sucking at the tit and giving nothing. Bunch of ungrateful savages, that's what they are, ungrateful savages masquerading as people. They sit at home and rot their brains on the crap that passes for entertainment on the television, they use their healthcare cards, they go on family vacations, they can do what they want when they want and for what? So that they can turn around and tell the government to piss off? Well, I don't think so. No, screw that mentality, that belief in something greater then the machine. We are all parts of the machine, all cogs in the system and they have to be taught to appreciate and respect that system and if some of them have to die to force the others to comply then so be it. These animals don't help society; none of them do, not really. If they have to be put down to teach the others a lesson then so be it. It's the big show now, the do or die time and the whole system needs to be sped up. This war up north, these ungrateful bastards trying to hang on to an outdated and outmoded lifestyle need to be exterminated. There is no rehabilitation, no redemption for these people except through pain and blood and death. They can be redeemed but only by their death. They must be tortured, must be deconstructed from humans to the animals that they really are and then, finally, they will see what they gave up by turning away from the government, then they will see why they need to die for the salvation of the system, for the deification of man on a global scale they need to die. It's for their own good and it's what my mission is. The government has shown me the way and now I must make it a reality, I must show these people that only through death can they save the rest of us and make the machine stronger. I….his thoughts were suddenly interrupted as his wife knocked on the door to his study."

It's clear who is thinking and why. This is just another way to do it. The voice gets confused but that's just the style of it. It moved from third to first and then back to third, which is alright as a technique so long as you are consistent with it throughout the entire book/story/whatever.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on November 24, 2009, 10:49:53 AM
this would be the other option yes. im just suggesting italicized cause its the easier method for new writers.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Lassiter on November 24, 2009, 11:10:22 PM
I wasn't suggesting one over another. I was just giving an example of the non italicized option.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [ed]-[avi] on April 28, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Generally, if you have a question, you could ask me. Grammar? Composition? Depth? Consider me your guru. :P
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on April 29, 2010, 02:14:11 PM
we already had a topic for stuff like this so i've merged the two.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on April 29, 2010, 03:38:47 PM
Good work with the merger Coryn.

Also, while I'm here, might as well ask something. What do you guys usually do to write a story? Do you plan it out or do you think it up on the spot? I just wanna know which would be best in most situations.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on April 29, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
It's a mixture of both planning and sudden thoughts for me. What I like to do is use a few ideas, be it random thoughts or quotes, and structure a story from there.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on April 29, 2010, 03:48:02 PM
well usually i just get random ideas that i want to incorporate. when i figure out where they should go i just wing the parts between. but usually i just start with the end and figure out how we got there
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 29, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
beats me, i've got a lot of methods, but the best one is generally building up upon a paragraph built up upon an inspiration, like i see a bird, i write "The black bird sat perched on a branch" and then i find out the story behind the whole thing, of course, the inspiration comes in a different form.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on April 29, 2010, 08:52:40 PM
This seems a little odd, nobody really plans anything out? I only just started putting down some jot notes in a book so I wouldn't forget, but for the most part, it's all on the spot. I figure everyone has their own method to creating a story, guess I'll stick with my own method while trying to keep some ideas written down.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on April 29, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
well i wouldnt say there is no planning involved. but for me inspiration comes in burst. it will just be single scene ideas like a fight between two characters. a lot of the time it will come from song lyrics that get literally translated in my head. but once the ideas come i place them in a certain part of my story. its like forming islands. and forming the bridges between them is when i do the winging
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 30, 2010, 02:59:34 AM
Like Coryn said, its not exactly in that form, that's a 'stripped down' version. I keep a notebook too, full of names and plots and self-drawn maps. Its a process. Needless to say the simple fact is that everyone has their own methods, and its hard to follow someone else's thought-processes.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Ohji on April 30, 2010, 05:18:46 AM
there is some planning involved but like with my current manga i know how the current story ark will begin and end. even some plot parts i know ahead and put them in where they seem appropriate , other times i will write down something i just thot of and work off that. kinda spardick at times but meh, what form of writing isnt at times rather it be a novel or even the local news.  :happy093:
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 30, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
@ ALL.

 A QUESTION: What motivates you to write your stories, and what do you hope to accomplish?

Personally i like feeling people's heads with strange things and have fun doing it...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on April 30, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
back when i started writing i wanted to prove something to people. i wont say what it is cause it might give stuff away. but thats mostly just the thought i had when starting. nowadays its more about making an awesome story
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [ed]-[avi] on April 30, 2010, 01:47:35 PM
Well as an answer to both questions: there is usually something I want to say to a group of people, or society in general... "Writers are attacked for having divergent beliefs" would be the one i'm working on right now. I don't say it outright, of course, but the moral is in there. Then, I think how i can incorporate that into a plot without being really obvious: THEN, i wing it.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on April 30, 2010, 02:32:24 PM
For me, the reason I began writing is because I admired the stories in manga I read so much, but now, I just hope to create a character everyone looks up to and wants to be like, such as Syaoran.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 30, 2010, 04:01:07 PM
I just hope to create a character everyone looks up to and wants to be like, such as Syaoran.

I can definitely drink to that.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on May 02, 2010, 03:53:45 AM
Everything inspires me to write, whether I do or not depends on mood.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 03, 2010, 11:48:16 AM
@ ALL, A QUESTION:

When creating fictional worlds. How do you mould your geography? Random doodles or a more specific method? I'm getting really frustrated with my doodles, they're turning out into unrealistic maps. Help, anyone?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 03, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
well i just describe the world i seen in my mind with words. but if you want help with doodles the artist section might be a better section to make your query
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 03, 2010, 03:14:50 PM
Same thing as me Coryn, I basically just describe a certain place, without saying anyone about the world's geography in general. I mean, imagining an entire planet would be extreme so i work it scene by scene.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: matsurinoaoi on May 04, 2010, 12:29:46 AM
Lesee...First, I think of how people interact with the environment, ex. There's a huge seasonal flood so the villagers build their houses on high ground and grow vegetation at high altitudes and eat rice...This helps build the continent's characteristics, maybe. Then, I decide where the continent would be in the world. For example, if a place is known for it's high temperatures, I would put it close to the equator, and vice versa. If you're not sure about location of continents on a planet, take Earth into consideration and see how the location and the environment go together. Also, mountain ranges are formed when two continents push against each other...Also forests, rivers, lakes, oceans, canyons, volcanoes, islands, the occasional man-eating creature...
And now that that's done...Jazz ha~nds...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 04, 2010, 01:05:15 AM
hmm interesting... i usually tend to do either what Matsurinoaoi does, or i just write and take notes about locations as i do to make sure i dont put some thing that's supposed to be to the east on the west side of a landmark, after a while of writing i end up with enough notes to sketch a map and let the freakishness add to fictional world.

also it seems like jazz hands are required when finishing a map, so:

*big band finale playing as i slide on my knees* jazz ha~nds
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 04, 2010, 12:12:07 PM
well i usually just deal with earth so i'll just pick a place on the map and say its there or near there. if i want to get specific google maps works wonders.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 04, 2010, 04:52:37 PM
well i usually just deal with earth so i'll just pick a place on the map and say its there or near there. if i want to get specific google maps works wonders.

Google maps is a great tool, even better now that it has the Street View option. Still it doesn't beat going to the location and learning first hand. Every place has a vibe you will only pick up on if you are there to experience it. ^_^
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 04, 2010, 05:12:25 PM
definitely true mavlock

gunna use the grand canyon as an example, cause well it works

everybody has seen pictures of it, its crazy but everybody also says oyu have to see it to get the full feeling, i agree with that but to a greater extent. i was lucky enough to go on a backpacking trip through the thing from the north rim to the south and it was amazing. just seeing the place or even standing up on the rim wont do it for some thing like that, you have to be there up close and personal otherwise you wont get the same impression, and if your writing wont be able to convey it i think... anyways that's what came to mind reading your post >_>
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 04, 2010, 07:50:20 PM
yeah well the rest of the world is kinda far away. i dont have the luxury of going to the places i writing about places that are familiar
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 04, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
Well then we use the cool tools the internet has made possible. ^_^
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2010, 05:04:23 AM
Well then we use the cool tools the internet has made possible. ^_^
But that contradicts your vibe idea.

Nyway these are nice suggestions. Thankee all.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 06, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
well the point is that for a lot of us getting the vibe is just impossible. so we have to leave it to the accessible information and our own imaginations. of course with my own story since i use alternate realities getting the vibe of a real life place isnt as important
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 06, 2010, 12:42:38 PM
quick, go buy plane tickets!!!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 06, 2010, 02:08:41 PM
well the point is that for a lot of us getting the vibe is just impossible. so we have to leave it to the accessible information and our own imaginations. of course with my own story since i use alternate realities getting the vibe of a real life place isnt as important

I'll have to politely disagree. Even when using alternate realities you want to have something to ground your readers to. That vibe you pick in the area you based your alternate reality off of may be that one thing. I think if you can pull that off you have a powerful setting that readers can really sink their teeth into. It speaks to them, specially those who understand first hand. It gives others who like to dig deeper, something to look for. Almost every good story has this and every great story does.

Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 06, 2010, 02:17:14 PM
I don't think that's required at all mav, it's more about what vibe you create yourself. I've read many manga and I've been sucked into the setting, even though I'd never been anywhere remotely similar to the place in the manga. I think you'd just have to have a clear image of the place you want to create in your mind, then you'll be able to get it across to the readers better.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 06, 2010, 03:25:47 PM
i agree with litt. its more about writing ability than anything else. and if you still think its a big deal go and read my story. i think i managed to set the mood quite nicely even though i was never anywhere near teh places i wrote about.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 06, 2010, 05:10:18 PM
I understand what you are both saying and in those circumstances normally your grounding factor is a character or supporting character.

I thought we were talking about locations in general. You really can't just make up a real world location in your alternate reality without having some basis of the feel for this place. If you can't travel there then the street view from google is a big help. It will never make up for being there first hand, but you do the best with the tools you have. ^_^

Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 06, 2010, 07:11:11 PM
You really can't just make up a real world location in your alternate reality without having some basis of the feel for this place.

You obviously dont know me very well
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 06, 2010, 08:07:00 PM

You obviously dont know me very well

That almost sounds scary. ^_^
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 06, 2010, 08:13:29 PM
That's cause Coryn is psychic mavlock, he can see the future in his dreams, bend spoons so far they turn into forks, and eat an entire pizza in ten minutes flat.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 06, 2010, 10:09:56 PM
not to mention writer extraordinaire. ive been known for that too.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
not to mention writer extraordinaire. ive been known for that too.

... hmmmm....

Sorry mavlock & others who share his opinion...

but i have to agree with Coryn... like alot. Big time. That's a brain right there.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 06, 2010, 10:43:21 PM
That is the great thing about this world, plenty of room for different schools of thought on the same subject.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2010, 10:44:59 PM
Yep, i can agree with that
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 06, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
That is a great thing.

QUESTION: I just wanted to ask, is trying to write 3 stories overboard?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 06, 2010, 11:22:54 PM
not sure, but im expecting you to wake up with a crossover chaper and something like:

guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy

on the end
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 06, 2010, 11:24:16 PM
I'm not getting you here? What's:

guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy

?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 06, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
ghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... is what is typed when you press your face to your keyboard... try it!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 06, 2010, 11:28:34 PM
bvg                                 

That isn't right...I got bvg                                for some reason. Maybe my face is deformed? Well I don't think I'd be that exhausted or whatever, I'm already working on two stories, it's just that I had an idea a few days ago I want to work on as well. I know it's more or less my choice, but I'd just like to see what other people would do, act upon impulse or focus on the tasks at hand.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 06, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
well here's my serious answer, if you have the inspiration, then write it. you might forget ideas and stuff if you wait. at least keep a notebook on it
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 06, 2010, 11:35:23 PM
I began using a notebook a little while ago, so far what's in it are jot notes on my stories I'm currently writing, then I have a little booklet inside the notebook to write down basic ideas, which holds about 5 others along with the one I want to write. I'm good if it's about remembering, a few lines and it refreshes in my mind.

I guess I'll just hold off until I'm finished the one shot I'm working on, I only need a few more days to finish it anyways, but man is this story picking at the back of my head, I've been itching to write some fantasy battle manga for a while now...patience....patience....
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 06, 2010, 11:44:12 PM
heeey welcome to the club XD
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 06, 2010, 11:51:39 PM
but man is this story picking at the back of my head, I've been itching to write some fantasy battle manga for a while now...patience....patience....

Ignore Patience! Write NOW!

Okay...

on a more serious note...

IGNORE PATIENCE COMPLETELY! WRITE THE FANTASY! WRITE IT!

Okay, seriously, if you're serious about all three you can easily work on them all at once (not necessarily write them all at once, just work on them deeply) However when you see overload coming, you might need to lighten up.

If you must put some things off for a while, i'll issue a warning" i've had said proverbial itches and you might regret it if the drive and inspiration dries up just when you want to concentrate on it... Happened to me countless times.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 07, 2010, 11:56:46 AM
well unless you have a clear idea of what each story is i would just work on one project at a time and just keep notes for the other two. i mean i just keep making up stories for my one universe and just keep a mental picture of them in the back of my mind. but i'm good at doing that kind of thing. i do have one other story that i plan on writing at some point in time but at the moment it only consist of a single word document contains a basic plot outline and a rough first chapter.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: mavlock on May 09, 2010, 05:53:59 PM
I try to keep the focus down to one main story and allow myself to write shorts as well while I continue. If ideas happen in, I keep notebooks everywhere to put them down. My wife even carries paper for me "just-in-case". ^_^
For most of my life I had allowed myself to flip-flop between stories and they would not really come to fruition. After realizing it was procrastination killing me by allowing distraction I was able to over come this.

These days I work on the main project, shorts, and my freelance columnist thing. I had to setup days for each, give myself clearly defined separation and maintain respect for that separation. At once point I was a slave to my muse, but now we work together. ^_^

Allowing yourself to work on multiple "projects" at once or changing between them could kill your momentum. So I agree with Coryn.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 09, 2010, 06:34:18 PM
Alright, I got it guys, thanks fort he advice. I'll just focus on one story for now and once I'm done with it, I'll just move onto the next idea I have planned.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 09, 2010, 06:47:49 PM
write fasterrrrrr i wanna read em all!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 09, 2010, 06:49:50 PM
I'd love to write faster, but I've been...well not busy, but I've forgotten a lot, so probably by next weekend I'll have one of  my stories finished and I'll be starting my fantasy story after I do one or two chapters on Prey which should only take a day or two.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 09, 2010, 06:51:20 PM
yaaay ^-^
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 11, 2010, 10:47:34 PM
Waiting...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 11, 2010, 10:55:22 PM
It is yet to turn the weekend, god I need to power level and finish that story on Thursday.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 11, 2010, 10:56:50 PM
rare candies?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 11, 2010, 10:57:43 PM
@ Litt: But thursdays like... tomorrow!

@ Aero: no thanks, had enough bad experiences with candy to write novels...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 11, 2010, 10:58:51 PM
did... did they involve windowless vans? and possibly ruffies?

cause there's a market for that stuff
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 11, 2010, 11:02:41 PM
Meh, I have trouble trying to stay focused, even when I write. I get sidetracked so easily, I played Megaman on my gameboy micro, went on facebook for an hour or so...man, I'm bad at this, and this is also a swing over to on topic,

How do you stay focused when writing? Drawing doesn't count even if you do cause I can get addicted to just badly doodling.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 11, 2010, 11:06:16 PM
To stay focused on writing, i put on some music. I reduce the volume so that its just enough to cancel background noise, and i make sure i don't know the lyrics.

Then i give myself an hour or thirty minutes to write. Or i give myself a 1500 word limit.

Then i start writing.

But when writing i don't even dare correct a mistake, nor fix grammar. I just keep going until i'm done, then i retouch it later at my leisure. Method hasn't failed me so long as i'm into the story.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 11, 2010, 11:07:50 PM
@ aero: Nothing that extreme... And what market would want such stories??? Sometimes i doubt the integrity of literature... Nah, most crises involved bridges and teeth and girls and sleep and (e.t.c)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 11, 2010, 11:11:02 PM
ill take a quick break, either i get up n do something (usually get a snack) or ill watch a video or something (cromarite highschool is amazing for this cause the episodes are only 15 mins) then ill go over my notes or reread what ive written to get the ideas flowing and continue on my way

@ lego: whaaa????
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 11, 2010, 11:15:02 PM
@[aero]: I shouldn't take breaks, those are the things that sidetrack me. Unless I know I'm just going to get a drink of water or a bathroom break, other than that, I'll forget about writing quickly. I try to just push through it and get it done, it isn't my lack of entertainment, it's my slight case of ADD.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: matsurinoaoi on May 11, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
I have trouble concentrating too...my solution is to take a shower at seven and then draw in my bed until nine or ten. It's easier for me to focus when everyone's settled down.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 11, 2010, 11:44:00 PM
@ aero. I was thinking you were replying to MY reply about your rare candies offer,,, [check previous posts from my perspective.] ... My mistake, i guess?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 11, 2010, 11:46:24 PM
no i ment whaaa?? as in whats up with your crisis's?!?!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 11, 2010, 11:48:47 PM
... and then draw in my bed until nine or ten. It's easier for me to focus when everyone's settled down.

Hm. I stopped working in bed when i discovered my pillow and blankets have a vendetta against my writing career. Strangely, i get very sleepy, but that's when i have my most inspiration. (Guess its logical, as i have one foot in dream land...)

@ aero. Man, i wish it were fiction. They seem (infinitesimally) funny now but heh... Heh.... Man, i don't believe em' myself.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 12, 2010, 12:01:44 AM
i stopped working in bed when i realized i was getting eraser bits in my sheets... so now i work at my desk or with a pen =P
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on May 12, 2010, 12:05:43 AM
Pencils just never work for me... Dunno why but they keep on losing their sharpness and become thick lines on the paper... I like those inky pens though. Makes me think of calligraphy. Which in turn makes me think of manga, which in turn makes me think of awesome drawings and story lines, which in turn makes me think of making some, which in turns makes me thinking of drawing, which in turn makes me think of pens - that remind me of calligraphy...
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 12, 2010, 12:16:55 AM
circular thinking there lego XD

i know i couldn't live without my Pilot G2 pens... they are so nice =3
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 12, 2010, 10:13:36 AM
when im in writing mode i dont get sidetracked. the problem is being in writing mode at all. but i always do all my work on my bed when at home. its soft and offers a variety of positions too so my back doesnt get tired.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on May 12, 2010, 02:25:29 PM
I have a horrible back so I have to take breaks and lie down for a period of time before I can sit up and type again.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on May 12, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
haha i do the same thing Litt
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on May 13, 2010, 12:50:24 AM
thats why i like the bed i can lay on my stomach or on my back while typing.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Vessy on June 04, 2010, 10:35:00 PM
I always write in bed xD. Or if I'm bored at school...but thats uncomfortable because I jump everytime someone walks by.
The bed is nice because you're comfy and relaxed C: Plus im in the cellar of my house so it's always sooo quiet at night.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on June 04, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
yeah i used to write in school. always made me nervous cause i always had the feeling that someone would come up behind me without my knowing and start reading over my shoulder.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Vessy on June 04, 2010, 10:39:52 PM
I always have that problem the odd times when I write at school. I look so guilty and LOOK like I'm hiding something because I look up, look around, then keep writing. xD
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Account Disabled on June 04, 2010, 10:41:14 PM
Same here, when I was trying to jot down some ideas it looked like I was planning to take over the world.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: [aero] on June 05, 2010, 01:44:06 AM
*laughing evilly in the background*
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Iceh on June 09, 2010, 04:56:45 PM
xDD You guys are silly, but I'd be paranoid too if I were writing.
I hate people reading my *censored* when it's not done. D:
Title: Re: Who wants to learn to get better at writing?
Post by: h_musick on February 05, 2011, 10:59:06 AM
how do i jump back and forth between character's storys with out confusing?
And i am having trouble getting my plot going. I know what i want to happen, and i know what order i want it in, but i cant get from the part where i introduced the "rising action".
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 05, 2011, 12:55:23 PM
*moved your post to a more appropriate topic*

 - easiest way to jump back and forth is to just say that you are switching to a different character in a non direct way. like saying "meanwhile in such and such place such and such was...." something basic like that. the easiest way to jump between two characters is by starting a new chapter for the character. but if your switching between them in the same chapter just add an extra space between the paragraphs to signify the jump. this is the accepted way to do it.

 - i cant really help with that question since i dont know what's going on with your story. but in general you just kinda have to feel it out. if you know what needs to happen but dont know the in between. you have to figure out just what will have to happen to lead to the part you want to get too. and then write that out. if you're just filling for time (as it were) then make up something interesting to develop your characters.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on February 05, 2011, 05:24:33 PM
ah! thank you so much you have no idea how much thus helps me.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 05, 2011, 05:28:03 PM
anytime
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on February 12, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
and here i am agian!
Finding a comic relief in a tragedy: i want to have a few funny parts in my comic, but it just is not happening! it is a very dark time for my characters, so i wonder if it is even nesessary?! but would you want to even read something so depressing! i need something to lighten the mood. thank you! let me know what ya think.

(once again, please excuse my spelling!)
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on February 13, 2011, 05:52:56 AM
You can make it a dark comedy. Something that makes you go "Ahahahaha... ha... Aw...." >.< You know, that feeling you get when you laugh at something you know you shouldn't be laughing at like punting babies.

Then again, it depends entirely on the situation. Sometimes it's alright to pull the reader down into a slight mood of depression in order to get the full effect of the story. You don't want to unnecessarily disrupt a good part of your story with pointless antics like Bleach does often.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on February 13, 2011, 09:39:25 AM
ah, ok i get it. thank you!
i know i would be the one to mess up a story like that.
so i guess i will just see if it  just falls into the story by it's self.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: dawood on February 13, 2011, 09:46:58 AM
You don't want to unnecessarily disrupt a good part of your story with pointless antics like Bleach does often.

OMG! i thought i was the only one who was dissapointed by that!!! LOL.. right on!!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 13, 2011, 03:43:25 PM
another good way to add in some small humor without ruining the mood is to have the more goofy/light hearted character (if you dont have one get one) crack a bad joke or two in an attempt (within the context of the story) to lighten the mood. it may not go over well in the story but it will have an effect on the ready if the joke could legitimately be funny under the right conditions.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Tostificer on February 13, 2011, 03:46:10 PM
How to create humor in a tense situation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPSqWX1uEQ

It was a very tense moment, they had no idea what to do, and then... This. It cracked me up.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 13, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
always wanted to see that movie
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Tostificer on February 13, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
Dead Snow, it's in swedish or something so you might want to get yourself subtitles.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 13, 2011, 04:15:10 PM
yeah i know. saw a trailer for it back in 09.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on February 14, 2011, 10:32:37 PM
um... *raises hand uncomfortably* i have...another question...


When you have a quot inside a quot how many quotations do you use in the one inside!? sorry im really having trouble getting typed out. im fine when it comes to thinking up a story and characters, but grammar and spelling ect...i just suck!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on February 15, 2011, 12:15:05 AM
You would use one tick for the quote inside but it would be best to avoid it because it looks wonky. It is possible if necessary though.

In the commander's words, "Those who hold power 'should not fight out of fear but never fear to fight.'"
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on February 15, 2011, 11:40:57 AM
oh ok... thank you so much!


i was thinkimg it was:
example off the top of my head:

"I heard Lydia screem, "someone just kill it already!""     
so then my brian exploded at the thousands of marks everywhere.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 15, 2011, 01:09:01 PM
yep sai speaks the truth. the whole quotes within quotes was one of those things we learned back in grade school but never really had to use much methinks
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: h_musick on February 15, 2011, 05:51:43 PM
yeah...one of bad things about getting taken out of school in the 3rd year... i had to leard everything by reading. My "teacher" wanted us to be self motivated... and a spaced out 9 year old just dosen't do that very well when they could play outside instead. lol
so anyway thats that, and now im paying for it.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: everlastin01 on February 23, 2011, 08:57:29 PM
qoostion: when writing a story is it better to write in third person???
qoostion: it is okay to have a lot of dialoge or not???
qoostion: why is no one on when i am on???
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: dawood on February 23, 2011, 09:16:49 PM
qoostion: when writing a story is it better to write in third person???
qoostion: it is okay to have a lot of dialoge or not???
qoostion: why is no one on when i am on???

most stories are written in third person but that doesn't necessarily make them better stories.. take the sherlock holmes book for instance most of them were written from Dr. Watson's perspective. and a few were even in from Sherlock Holme's perspective..
but which ever type of narrative you choose to write essentially has to reflect well on the story itself

is it ok to have alot of dialogue or not? - well that depends on the story and you as a writer.. does it require alot of dialogue to move the story along? also how good of a descriptive writer are you? the better a descriptive writer you are, the less dialogue you may need.

Alot of the forum member are from different countries, which means different time zones and ultimately means that we won't always be on at the same time... however i've noticed that the most popular time for people to log in tends to be between 6pm - 10pm GMT
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on February 25, 2011, 12:16:44 PM
1. personal preference. just make sure you actually know how to write in that tense.

2. depends if you want to make your characters chatty or not. but too much dialogue will be kinda boring for the overall story and wont translate very well into manga. as always though make sure the dialogue you come up with is actually interesting and stimulates the story.

3. see rule 118.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: yukihana on March 26, 2011, 08:08:54 PM
qoostion: when writing a story is it better to write in third person???
qoostion: it is okay to have a lot of dialoge or not???
qoostion: why is no one on when i am on???

1. It varies from story to story, sometimes you will get a grasp as to what feels best, sometimes first person might work or third person as you are querying, its based on tones and shading like an artist would with his or her pencil to set that feeling or mood amongst the characters.

Try third person and if you feel that doesn't suit your characters, mood or setting try first person instead.

2. In a manga dialogue is quite essential to get a story moving, if writing dialogue in a manga a maximum of 2 sentences in a stanard microsoft document would suffice for a speech bubble from a character.

Then again this all depends on the mood, the settings and the characters, where they are positioned in the story and the most important question is, does this scene require dialogue?

3. Time zones more than likely depending on where you reside.
Title: Re: Who wants to learn to get better at writing?
Post by: yukihana on March 26, 2011, 08:10:45 PM
I'm a talk-alocholic when it comes to writing stories, however, I know that with manga that overuse of dialoguse needs to be toned down, any advice or tips for those whom have written their own mangas to be able to give advice on how much needs to be written would be great or tips etc.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on March 27, 2011, 12:46:14 AM
it really depends on what genre your writing. shounen will be less wordy while shoujo will have more of it. things will also vary depending on the scene of course and if the particular speaker tends to be long winded. advice for writing it though. I can say two things. Firstly read a bunch of manga of different genre's and study how much is being said at any one time. Secondly when writing visualize what you've written in the form of the manga. is the scene changing enough, is the text taking up too much space, will this kinda thing make the reader want to carry on? asking all these questions during the development process can help greatly.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: everlastin01 on April 01, 2011, 12:56:58 PM
other question:
how is the writer suposed to format the storeh for the drawer?
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 01, 2011, 01:07:47 PM
Well i'd like to tell you my opinion but this is a good, closeby example of a writer-artist project:

http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,2942.0.html

Go through it, you'll find the manga version of the written chapter . I think this form of writing is the best as it balances written and script form. It's easy to produce work and easy to convert.

Study it.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: Coryn on April 01, 2011, 01:08:49 PM
depends on the artist really. simplest way to do it would probably just write it in script form and let teh artist figure out the paneling and such. since in most cases they'll probably know what they're doing in that department a hell of a lot better than you.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: everlastin01 on April 01, 2011, 01:13:10 PM
Well i'd like to tell you my opinion but this is a good, closeby example of a writer-artist project:

http://forums.mangaraiders.com/index.php/topic,2942.0.html

Go through it, you'll find the manga version of the written chapter . I think this form of writing is the best as it balances written and script form. It's easy to produce work and easy to convert.

Study it.
i tried to understand it but it confused meh. i am to used to writing novel style because of school.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 01, 2011, 01:20:17 PM
Ah then don't worry novel style is okay.

More importantly, i think it's a simple matter of discussing with the artist him/herself. They will have their own preferences and if you ever get a collaboration with them then it's a simple matter of talking it over. Concentrate on writing first, then look for the artist THEN ask which style they prefer!
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on April 06, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
My advice is to first construct a rough outline of what your story will be. From there, you can write from your heart and read/edit it later on. Getting your flow of ideas down first is key to developing a great story. The hard part is figuring out what you want to cut out and how you want to shape the story.
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: legomaestro on April 06, 2011, 02:56:14 AM
that reminds me of the little tutorial you gave me on skype. I gotta find that file, i suddenly remember how simple it all seemed when i used that style. i wonder how i could've forgotten it
Title: Re: Ask the writers
Post by: SaiHawkeye on April 06, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
That was so very long ago. xD