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Title: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on September 21, 2015, 11:31:59 AM
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/SyncG4x/6d51a4b5-3769-4b4a-bd85-3f5ed3d33c51_zpsilygtpyg.png)
Well, I've been reading this manga for quite some time now. I have to say, it is really good. It was first published in Weekly Shonen Jump, February of this year. I haven't been reading too many series in Weekly Shonen Jump, but I gave this one a shot and I definitely don't regret it.

I'd say if you like magic and fantasy worlds with a bit more depth into it all, then this is for you. I'd compare it to Naruto, as I can tell it was heavily inspired by it.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: NO1SY on September 21, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
Ah this is on my list "to read" so I'm glad that someone is giving it a thumbs up... man my list is long though...
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Robin Ryuu on September 21, 2015, 12:33:34 PM
Black Clover seems to be a cross between Naruto, Magi, and Fairy Tail(I think... I only read a few chapters of FT). It's alright, but I don't have very high expectations for it. The characters seem to lack any personality depth. Hopefully it will get better as it goes and proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on September 21, 2015, 01:00:42 PM
That's interesting, I've always seen it around on the manga reading site i go to but now i'll definitely try it out!

The art reminds me of World Trigger's for some reason
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on September 21, 2015, 01:54:04 PM
Ah this is on my list "to read" so I'm glad that someone is giving it a thumbs up... man my list is long though...
Not just one thumb, but two! :doublethumbs: Also, good luck with that list of yours. I know how these things go down. So much to read in such little time.

Black Clover seems to be a cross between Naruto, Magi, and Fairy Tail(I think... I only read a few chapters of FT). It's alright, but I don't have very high expectations for it. The characters seem to lack any personality depth. Hopefully it will get better as it goes and proves me wrong.
It's definitely a cross between Magi and Naruto. It shares a few similarities with Fairy Tail, but the only two I can think of at the moment is "magic and guilds". :tongue:

I too think some of the characters lack some personality depth. A few of them are stuck with your typical archetypes, but some of them are a bit unique. My expectations for the series isn't anything big, but I think the series has a chance at being adapted into an anime.


That's interesting, I've always seen it around on the manga reading site i go to but now i'll definitely try it out!

The art reminds me of World Trigger's for some reason
Yeah, I brushed it off a few times myself, didn't try it out until I saw it on Jump's website. I always thought the art style looked a bit different. The detail put into most of the characters' hair is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on September 22, 2015, 01:15:56 PM
I've actually finally caught up to it. You definitel get reminded of FT and Naruto in more places than one. I'm liking it so far. I find some of the character art for the adult characters odd, but otherwise it's quite the fun ride. Plus I totally loved this inspirational pep talk

(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt23/legomaestro/black-clover-5809117.jpg) (http://s594.photobucket.com/user/legomaestro/media/black-clover-5809117.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: ccmanga on October 14, 2015, 12:27:19 AM
this is going to my to read list too. seems like it suit my manga taste  :tongue:
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on October 25, 2015, 12:29:29 PM
I love badass dues ex machinas like this! They end up getting ruined by infinite power scaling, but when you see them it's really amazing!

I'm hoping Black Clover stays honest about power levels and the stuff... Which is a tall order. But in any case I'm really enjoying it
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on November 01, 2015, 02:00:25 AM
This manga feels like it learns from some of the short comings of the earlier and fixes them. Really enjoying it! I hope training arcs don't really happen, but I trust it'll always be entertaining.

By the way, I smell anime in the air. I mean Boku no Hero Academia has got one coming along
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on February 11, 2016, 02:19:49 AM
If this doesn't get an anime I'll be shocked. Really enjoying every chapter. I'm impressed at how a basic shounen formula can still offer so much.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Killer B !!SAMA!! on February 11, 2016, 03:03:08 AM
holy crap after i see this thread i checked it out for the first time i read the first episode and wow its so good i actually smile for some reason
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on February 11, 2016, 02:01:33 PM
It's a really fun manga! I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on February 11, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
just started reading this, absolutely love it
You definitely get reminded of FT and Naruto in more places than one.
by Naruto, are you by any chance referrring to
Spoiler
the kage-bunshin no jutsu, that was just brilliant, i laughed so hard
(http://i3.mangareader.net/black-clover/45/black-clover-6910273.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on February 11, 2016, 04:02:03 PM
No actually when he went 'I want to be the Sorcery Emperor!' and how he's a talentless hardworker and his best friend and rival is talented and has black hair.

This one was a big one for sure though haha.

Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on February 11, 2016, 05:00:04 PM
ahhhh oh yeah :P
the sorcery emperor seems sort of not bothered, even when being serious :P
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on May 28, 2016, 04:09:06 PM
He is a slopoke for sure. 10% at least.

You know, Black Clover and My Hero Academia just make me so happy to read. I'm glad that shounen can go with the same troupes and still be so damn fun and interesting in their own ways. Liked the latest chapter. Looking forward to this bout!
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on May 29, 2016, 07:53:19 AM
yeah. makes me feel confident that by the time i get good enough to draw manga, there will still be something to write about, because people will still be into the same genres no matter how old they get :P
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on June 30, 2016, 07:25:39 PM
True, true.

Loved that latest chapter. Though it was pretty basic that flashback hints at something else, and Aster's defeat and help this time around seem so logical! Usually it's willpower that makes them take on huge attacks and the like, but his swords are literally made to defend against magic. He just couldn't deal with the physical damage aspect of magic.

Makes me wonder how far up he'd rank for 'cancelling abilities' abilities. Going to make a topic on that one haha
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on July 01, 2016, 02:54:11 PM
indeed. probably a similar level to touma's imagine breaker in to aru majutsu no index. although he can cancel magic, if the magic produces an effect, he cant cancel that, like if it was magical boulders he could block it, but if magic made normal boulders drop, hes in trouble. also he has to be pointing the right way to block it, so sneak attacks also work against him.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Matthew Lucifer on July 05, 2016, 10:42:06 PM
I also like the point that he has no power (in some sort of way), but I also worry about how they will keep the story going.  As will the story become about destroying the enemy or be a battle against brothers to see who can prove the best results.  I just hope it doesn't turn out to be like Naruto's ending xD
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on July 13, 2016, 07:23:30 AM
Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here waiting for the next chapter with my thumb up my bum.  :ninja:

But seriously, I'm anxiously waiting to see this Beast Guy get the snot beat out of him! He's been pulling at my emotion strings and I don't like it.

This series sparks a flame in me that I haven't got reading manga in a while (other than One Piece). It kinda fills the hole Naruto left me with when it ended too, so that's a huge bonus.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on July 13, 2016, 07:35:01 AM
Er... I wouldn't use that expression to express how much I'm looking forward to the next chapter, but definitely. It really feels great that way. I see so many Naruto references and I don't mind it at all. When I think back it's done a great job covering arcs till this moment, and this doesn't even quite feel like a major arc yet.

Wanna bet a timeskip is going to happen? If it does, everyone will look way too epic. Looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on July 14, 2016, 02:21:19 AM
A timeskip would indeed be cool. I can only imagine how Aster and Juno would look in 2 years or so.

As for this latest chapter, I love the theme behind the Black Bulls. A place where rejects and outcasts can go and surpass their limits to prove all of their naysayers wrong. It's pretty inspiring honestly.

I feel like Aster has that Luffy effect where he can befriend and inspire pretty much anyone, as long they're sane anyway. Really looking forward to bigger arcs, this series has some amazing fight scenes so far.

Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on July 19, 2016, 06:41:55 PM
As long as they're sane haha. I do like that the inspiration is literally a case of 'This person is worse off than me but handles themselves well.' It's not them beating down on themselves or putting their inspiration on a pedestal. A touch of realism to their motivation methinks haha.

So looking forward to that next chapter.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on July 21, 2016, 06:57:57 PM
I forgot that Aster's swords absorb magic for a second there, so the moment Vett was impaled the outcome was set in stone. Aster's grimoire obviously has some kind of demonic connection. Maybe Aster can become whatever Vett became, you know, with the 3 eyes and such.

Epic chapter though. I loved seeing Vett have a taste of his own medicine.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on July 21, 2016, 07:07:16 PM
So satisfying and inspiring at the same time haha
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on July 28, 2016, 07:22:00 PM
Reasons why Black Clover is awesome

spoiler

Spoiler
(http://i8.mangareader.net/black-clover/72/black-clover-7962403.jpg)

That is alll.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on July 29, 2016, 01:14:44 AM
Haha, that is definitely a good reason. That was a great chapter! Looked like Yami entered Bleach territory at the end there haha.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on August 09, 2016, 06:21:39 PM
So traumatized by shounen resurrecting characters that I wasn't sure if the death took or not. Now that it did you could see some real character from the people in the stories. A nice ending to the arc methinks.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on August 10, 2016, 04:38:58 PM
A nice ending indeed, but not enough Charmy haha.


I love Charmy  :ninja:
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on August 18, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
More Charmy, yay! And also more action, it's a lot of nonstop action with this manga, and I can't say I don't like it.

That Noel x Mimosa art at the end though.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on August 26, 2016, 01:01:18 AM
Which art was that? Couldn't find the one you were talking about.

Damn, people got taken out! I thought there'd be splash damage like what happens in FT but nope, they got stabbed.

Yuno is beasting. It's hilarious how he goes into comedy mode as well though. Poor wind spirit.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on August 26, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
Here's the image my good sir.

Ecchi btw
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8HuEmZhwqBA/V7ch0-9K1QI/AAAAAAAAYU0/vDWTMMQaDvg1n15UDel8Q6dywN_2AJlfwCHM/s16000/0074-017.png)

Juno is amazing, really letting Aster know that he's gonna have to work incredibly hard to become Sorcery Emperor. I'm excited to see what Vengeance can do and if he's as strong as he's made out to be.

Also, more Charmy  :ninja:
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on December 03, 2016, 12:39:17 PM
I fell like I missed an entire arc about Aster and his relationship with Fanzel, his wife, and that assassin girl. A nice chapter though.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on December 17, 2016, 11:05:13 PM
By the way, I smell anime in the air. I mean Boku no Hero Academia has got one coming along

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-17/yuki-tabata-black-clover-manga-gets-tv-anime-by-studio-pierrot/.110057


Oh my word yes.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Coryn on December 18, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Cool. Did that OVA ever come out?
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on December 18, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
I never did look into that. It never appeared on Crunchyroll
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on February 02, 2017, 06:38:11 AM
Is Aster getting a much needed magic power up? Or is he going to get something more of a physical boost? I loved how he took down the enemy with the sword throw. Still felt annoying that the latest twist happened though. So many Bleach flashbacks as a result haha.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on February 09, 2017, 06:55:26 AM
So totally shounen, 'the dark side power of the underdog', 'the statement of friendship', 'the stoic commenting veteran', and 'the surprised onlooker'. So many troupes you see everywhere, but damn did I enjoy that chapter haha.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on March 09, 2017, 06:42:55 PM
The conclusion felt quite tame to that whole witch turning against everyone and killing them thing, and it strangely smells of editor meddling, but I liked that arc as a whole. Also those revelations were pretty big.

Looking forward to what happens next.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Synctual on March 15, 2017, 01:49:26 PM
It's nice to hear that the production of the anime is going well. So many scenes I can't wait to see animated. But none more than Yami cutting down Vetto. Ah, that'd be great to see!

It was fun seeing everyone return from their missions to help Asta. Also, it looks Asta has a harem on his hands haha.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on March 27, 2017, 09:57:02 AM
He'S been dealing with that for a long time now. And that Vetto cut down scene was brutal. I need to read that arc again. Yami just doesn't play around haha. He even faced off against the witch.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on April 20, 2017, 03:47:27 PM
I'm so glad Asta got his moment in the sun. Standing on the stage like that feels like it happened so fast, but this manga has been going on for a hundred chapters or so. Looking forward to more epicness from him.
Haha I feel sorry for the king.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on June 02, 2018, 07:18:05 AM
Great chapter this time around mesay
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on September 28, 2018, 09:15:28 PM
Yami teaming up with Mantis dude was quite the interesting matchup. Looking forward to the next battles. This arc has been pretty fun, but also end-gamey. I hope Clover still has many more stories to tell after this.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on September 30, 2018, 04:46:46 AM
Finally caught up. It's been getting more and more epic. Totally shounen style.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on September 30, 2018, 06:35:58 AM
I was actually lured into the reddit because of it. Glad to see people are really liking it.

Who's your favourite character suuper? I feel it's not conventional for some reason haha
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on September 30, 2018, 02:41:06 PM
Ugggghhh I like so many of them!!!
Aster is high up because of his refreshingly stupid personality, hmmmm.
Probably Yami for accepting outcasts into Black Bull when they are rejected by everyone else. He's a good leader and cares for everyone as well as being pretty powerful on top.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on October 02, 2018, 11:06:01 AM
Yami is really good. I think the fire dude is going to become the next Magic Emperor, but I'd really like to see Yami become one too.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Coryn on October 02, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
So, I've got some opinions on Black Clover, but the latest one is as follows: Black Clover sucks to read weekly, is great to let it build up for a few months and then go on a binge. There's just something about the pacing that I can only stand when it's all coming at once.

Oh, and Magna is the best character. He deserves to have his own spin off. Fight me.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on October 02, 2018, 02:15:26 PM
Almost every manga series is hard to read weekly as that is the equivalent of a half or third of an anime of information. some mangas release less often and are much longer, like 45 pages, so they are alright, but I agree with the binging, I do that with almost every manga I read. nearly time to catch up on 2 years of One Piece :P

Magna is also a cool character, why do you think he's the best?
On a very side note, I think "best character" is somewhat vague, kinda like favorite anime, you often have several depending on genre or mood. something like "strongest character" or "best leader" is more quantifiable.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Coryn on October 02, 2018, 06:39:11 PM
Points in favor:

1. Great hair
2. Good character design. Is unique in a way that sticks out but isn't over the top.
3. Isn't OP (like all the other main characters)
4. Great at parties
5. Just a nice guy, but doesn't fall into the "friends with everybody" trope that Asta does. He's got multiple aspects to his personality.
6. Best name. Magna Swing. Come the *censored* on.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on October 02, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
I... Totally didn't expect you to find him as your favourite character Coryn. I thought you were more for the philosophical ones. What do you think of Zax? And the Magic Emperor?

I do feel like they make him ridiculously weak though even though he has a lot of fighting spirit. It just doesn't seem to fit somehow. He reminds me of Knuckle

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/hunterxhunter/images/6/6b/KnuckleAnime.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/150?cb=20130421172243) from HxH

and Metal Bat
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepunchman/images/f/fd/MetalBatManga.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20160227190004)

from Onepunchman a little.

Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2018, 07:41:47 AM
My favorite characters tun the gambit. Chrono was cool but we barely got any information on him.

And who the hell is Zax? Is this a translation thing?
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on October 03, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
fair enough point about not being OP, almost everyone in black clover has an insane amount of power :P
having a normal amount of power is starting to come round as being a good thing now thanks to all the insane over powered characters lately :P
I also liked the magic emperor, but we didn't see much of him really.
I don't know if being friends with some people as opposed to everybody is a good or a bad thing. having some people they don't like helps to display more of their character certainly.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Coryn on October 03, 2018, 02:45:37 PM
It's mostly in contrast to Asta, who I'm am convinced actually has magic, and that magic is a psychic hypnosis that convinces everyone he comes across that he is the best/strongest/most *censored*able 16 year old on the planet.

I mean seriously, people who can't stand him are suddenly friends with him after 3 chapters. The people in his home town are the only ones immune to his devilry. Everyone else is immediately swept under his spell.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: evand498 on October 29, 2018, 09:24:02 PM
Let black clover grow like dbz, naruto, one piece and bleach
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on November 16, 2018, 10:02:37 PM
I have an odd feeling I'm being fed interesting background information that I wasn't quite interested in: I'm more interested in Asta's sword and the demon that the original magic emperor stopped than the elf reincarnation, but all in all I'm loving the fights. Pretty dope stuff.
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on November 17, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
I think the trouble is at some point the story gets complex enough that some sort of info-chapter is in order to clear up stuff. that and flashbacks and the action starts to slow down. also you never know what sort of future event the author is planning where this information will be more worth knowing :P
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on November 14, 2019, 07:06:57 AM
What I love about Black Clover is that they just go full acceleration on everything. It's pretty Bleach like, but without that sense of 'Where did that come from!?' I mean it's a fine line but I feel more in the loop here and consistent than Bleach did.

Seven Deadly Sins also had a fun sense of fast pace... Unfortunately I'm feeling like that manga is drawing out a bit haha
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on November 14, 2019, 08:01:48 AM
Seven Deadly Sins looks like it's basically winding down for the end now, I mean it's just loose ends to tie up now I think?
Yeah Black Clover is awesome like that.
I think all it takes is care on the writers part to handle the rise and fall of the plot/epicness without keep on building up each time. Someone mentioned it a while ago but I forget the technical term but like where your MCs keep powering up way way much so you have to make the battles so ridiculously intense it starts to lose meaning (Dragon Ball I'm looking at you!). Having your characters make progress but keeping the scale smaller means that you have more control over the story as it stays within normal bounds for much longer.
Not that you can't have supidly overpowered moments or characters :P
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Coryn on November 17, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
So, maybe I'm just playing devils advocate here, but I'm really of the opinion that Black Clover moves too fast. Every time a fight or an arc happens it's over before I can really get invested in it. And it doesn't help that fights almost always end with the bad guy dying if it's a male, or falling in love with Asta for no good reason if it's a female. Keeping in mind of course, that Asta is an annoying 15 year old whose only volume level is "screech". For gods sake he looks like a tall version of one of those renaissance painting babies that has adult proportions and is weirdly buff. He's got a personality as deep as a saucer to boot as well, so either the writer is just fulfilling some sort of fantasy he had as a teenager, or he lives in a world where sexy women throw themselves at you just by virtue of being from the opposite sex.

Maybe I'm venting some pent up Black Clover frustrations. What of it?!
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on November 17, 2019, 05:50:26 PM
Nani!? What in Haruhis' name are you talking about. Asta doesn't even remotely care about the other ladies, and Captain Yami almost feels more like a protagonist than him. If anything Yuno is the perfect all rounder-Su chikuso!  Also how can you deny a martial artist learning to be better at wrecking stuff by being buff? Don't tell me only 15 year old bijishoujous get to have the lady. Also as one dimensional as Asta is he has a one true love and never treats any of the girls wrong darnit

*exhales*
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: Suuper-san on November 18, 2019, 02:19:31 AM
Asta being completely wholesome because of his one love is cute, but it is annoying that everyone seems to fall for him. That being said, it seems that in the magic world, everyone is pretty nasty, especially those with power, so it's probably refreshing to have someone so pure in comparison.

The pace is perhaps a little too fast but I can't say I noticed until you mentioned it. I don't like arcs dragging out so I think I prefer it anyway.

also if you havent seen the last chapter:
Spoiler
TIME SKIPPPPPP
which I absolutely hate.

I haven't seen the anime yet but I can imagine he shouts the whole time which would also be a bit annoying.

and yes Captain Yami is the true protagonist :P
Title: Re: Black Clover
Post by: legomaestro on March 05, 2020, 09:31:49 AM
Yeah I was actually all for the time-skip but now I'm seeing what's happening and I'm like Oh come ooon! If this gravity dude gets defeated then it better be something more than talk-no-jutsu or else I'm deducting points.

Also lel that wipe-out at the castle was legendary. Damn son.